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No its not illegal, Spectrum stated they only deal with business, hospitals

and such. The pharmacy stated they would not sell it due to being a posion

in that amount. They of course wanted me to buy their stuff.

Wanda

At 03:15 PM 11/10/00 EST, you wrote:

>In a message dated 11/10/2000 1:01:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>rottoway@... writes:

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><< I called Spectrum chemical co to order the 1 gram of

> cholecalciferol, but they would not sell it to me due to a home address.

> They suggested calling my local pharmacy which I did. They were not

> willing to order it either. >>

>

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>Why? Is it illegal or something? If so, why?

>

>If not, why wouldn't they ship it to your address?

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>I'm confused.

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Good points Ray. Why doesn't the list moderator just refuse to post garbage like Erasmus Sears writes, unless people on this list enjoy the conflict.

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Ray wrote:

> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 19:41:14 -0000> From: " ray c " <wrayc@...>>Subject: Re: Vitiamin D>ignorant? ... I believe you are mistaken. no sir, >worse than that, he >is a complete fraud. His over countrified >mannerisms are rediculously >obvious. His whole complete purpose is to disrupt >the proceedings of >this well meant list, engaging in a smear campaign >with his very >serious inuendos and allegations. He is not >benign... if anything I'd >liken him to a malignant scab. Normally I lurk here. I >have been >reading a couple of years I believe... the politics in >this chat room >are disturbing ... people posing as those they are >not, attempting to >infiltrate the list, while others, such as leo refuse to >answer such >a simple question as to his relationship to hulda >clark with his >condescending attitude, not to mention the >fraudulent posting from >hulda. I just don't understand, people are reaching >out for help, at >times desperately ill ... and they find this? It >reminds me of a >dysfunctional political campaign or a masquerade >party. My post is >not meant to attack or offend; just an observation. >Sincerely,>ray.

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Well Leo, if we're going to get picky about the way people post, do you think you could learn to cut and paste instead of just hitting the Reply to All button? Makes for a much shorter post. Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 06:15:00 -0000 From: leoelfie@...Subject: Re: Vitiamin DPut this post in better English, and put in some paragraphs, if you want me to read it.Leo.

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No, I think that was appropriate.

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> Subject: Re: Vitiamin D

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> Put this post in better English, and put in some paragraphs, if you

> want me to read it.

> Leo.

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June,

I'm sorry to have a laugh at your expense ---- or rather, I'm

laughing with you, not at you. I have to say you gave me the biggest

laugh I've had in a long time! Must complement you on your diplomacy

as well as being able to keep yourself pulled together. I'm sure I'd

have lost my cool and probably been like the rest of them and broken

down into a terrible fit of laughter.

Is he still in the program?

Elaine in Vegas

> I have been reading a few articles suggesting that if you are

taking Didrocal that it is important to take Vit. D along with it.

Anyone hear this?

>

> ,I just have to tell you my experience last Wed. I was given

the task of evaluating one of our new recruits. A very obnoxious man

who nobody wants to work with. Well, I was supposed to review the hip

examination with him. When I asked him to get on the table, he

removed his trousers and lo and behold he had his boxer shorts on

instead of the required regular shorts. Now, if you can imagine the

scenario when he claimed on the table the fly opened and to add to

this he began to lower his shorts below the hips. I told him this was

not necessary since I am not a doctor,the exam is done by finding the

iliac crests on top of the shorts. As this was going on, our chief

walked in, assessed the situation and had to leave the room quickly

as she was laughing so hard. Now,if I thought the other guy was

hairy, this one was as close to an ape as I have ever seen. The very

thought of palpating any of his joints made me shudder. By the time

the exam was over, Anne had spread the word to the rest of our

patient partners who could not contain their hysterical laughter at

my expense. When I told him,wearing his underwear was not acceptable

he said his reason for doing so was because his regular shorts

didn't fit under his trousers. Anne told him afterwards that he will

have to bring his shorts with him and change at the session, but I

doubt he will do this. Anne apologized to me,although she was still

giggling but I told her it was okay, if it can't get up it can't get

out, which started the laughter again. Just thought you would get a

laugh at my dilemma.

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Not suggesting that the implication or conclusion of the study is

necessarily wrong or that the researchers are'nt worth their weight - I

don't know, but these things always seem to raise issues with me. For

instance, 30,000 women, aged 55 to 69, tracked what they ate for 11 years.

Come on....I love my Mom, but I'll bet she doesn't remember what she ate for

dinner last night. Well, maybe the researchers factored in some age/memory

fudge factor. Trouble is for 30,000 elderly women over 11 years.....that's

a lot of fudge.

Also, suppose the women with lower Vit D intake, <200 iu, didn't drink much

milk, so instead they increased their intake of some other viable

alternative liquid that contains ethylmethyl whatever, which turns out by

itself to promote RA in some manner. That to me is the problem with looking

at the microcosm of things. It can unwittingly ignore other pertinent

factors.

I know nobody came out and made a definitive statement advising women

between ages 55 and 69 to increase their Vit D intake to avoid RA, but I'll

bet that some do. Maybe if Vit D deficiency really is a big problem then

this wont be such a bad thing, but I have to wonder how much benefit studies

of this nature truly provide.

Jeff

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rheumatic

Subject: rheumatic Vitamin D

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:08:38 -0000

Some research is being reported that indicates Vitamin D may

contribute to prevention of RA and MS. I also read it can be helpful

in pain control. Here is one article:

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/79/96161.htm

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All valid issues--I appreciate your pointing them out. Self-reporting

on diet is especially unreliable.

When my partner went to Italy two summers ago, she had much less

joint pain. She has RA. She was also in the sun a lot. I thought it

was the heat that helped, but one could also speculate that it was

Vitamin D from sun exposure. Or some other unidentified set of

factors. In any case, we think it's worth trying Vitamin D

supplements for awhile to see if they help her. (She has not been

willing to try AP.)

Here's another article on another study (also not definitive):

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/79/96225.htm

> Not suggesting that the implication or conclusion of the study is

> necessarily wrong or that the researchers are'nt worth their

weight - I

> don't know, but these things always seem to raise issues with me.

For

> instance, 30,000 women, aged 55 to 69, tracked what they ate for 11

years.

> Come on....I love my Mom, but I'll bet she doesn't remember what

she ate for

> dinner last night. Well, maybe the researchers factored in some

age/memory

> fudge factor. Trouble is for 30,000 elderly women over 11

years.....that's

> a lot of fudge.

>

> Also, suppose the women with lower Vit D intake, <200 iu, didn't

drink much

> milk, so instead they increased their intake of some other viable

> alternative liquid that contains ethylmethyl whatever, which turns

out by

> itself to promote RA in some manner. That to me is the problem

with looking

> at the microcosm of things. It can unwittingly ignore other

pertinent

> factors.

>

> I know nobody came out and made a definitive statement advising

women

> between ages 55 and 69 to increase their Vit D intake to avoid RA,

but I'll

> bet that some do. Maybe if Vit D deficiency really is a big

problem then

> this wont be such a bad thing, but I have to wonder how much

benefit studies

> of this nature truly provide.

> Jeff

>

> ----Original Message Follows----

> From: " ucccathy " <ucccathy@y...>

> rheumatic

> Subject: rheumatic Vitamin D

> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:08:38 -0000

>

> Some research is being reported that indicates Vitamin D may

> contribute to prevention of RA and MS. I also read it can be helpful

> in pain control. Here is one article:

>

> http://my.webmd.com/content/article/79/96161.htm

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Now that it's not raining that is exactly what I've been doing. I love a

little sun. Now, I just finished reading on the Weston Price website

about Vitamin A and the newer additional article stating that it is

dangerous to overdose on Vitamin D. Has anyone else read the article.

Krispin Sullivan recommends no more than 800 IU with sunlight as part of

that equation. She recommends getting tested to determine how deficient

you are before taking more than that.

So, if I do go get the Cod Liver oil I feel I need to be careful. How

much are you all taking here?

April

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---->you can also get vit D from cod liver oil. you don't need the vit d

they add to the processed milk at the grocery store. ct

April,

If you are thinking that you need Vitamin D, then go stand in the sun

for a

while. :-) That would be the most natural source of Vitamin D.

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I think if you really want to know you must be tested. There are people here in

Florida who take clo and have been tested who also go out in the sun, who are

still deficient. I take two tablespoons a day but I don't sit in the sun

everyday.

Allyn

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---->you can also get vit D from cod liver oil. you don't need the vit d

they add to the processed milk at the grocery store. ct

April,

If you are thinking that you need Vitamin D, then go stand in the sun

for a

while. :-) That would be the most natural source of Vitamin D.

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The latest newsletter from Sally refutes all the garbage about

overdosing on D and says A and D are synergistic and very necessary and

not to worry about overdosing on it. Best thing is to take the High

Vitamin butter oil and High Vitamin CLO which I get from Green

Pastures.

On May 12, 2006, at 12:32 PM, Family wrote:

> Now that it's not raining that is exactly what I've been doing. I love

> a

> little sun. Now, I just finished reading on the Weston Price website

> about Vitamin A and the newer additional article stating that it is

> dangerous to overdose on Vitamin D. Has anyone else read the article.

> Krispin Sullivan recommends no more than 800 IU with sunlight as part

> of

> that equation. She recommends getting tested to determine how deficient

> you are before taking more than that.

> So, if I do go get the Cod Liver oil I feel I need to be careful. How

> much are you all taking here?

> April

>

> Re: New Here

>

> ---->you can also get vit D from cod liver oil. you don't need the vit

> d

> they add to the processed milk at the grocery store. ct

> April,

> If you are thinking that you need Vitamin D, then go stand in the sun

> for a

> while. :-) That would be the most natural source of Vitamin D.

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activator x is mysticism

On 5/13/06, dcw338 <gpp@...> wrote:

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> Below is a related post on vitamin D. My theory (which I think

> would be parallel with WAP) is that maybe the issue with calcium

> overload or vitamin D concerns is actually activator X deficiency...

>

> This is in reply to the post that discusses Europe as highest

> Vitamin D level but high in hip fractures and blaming cod liver oil.

> (See below).

>

> I had the pleasure of listening to Mark describe Royal

> Lee's description of activator x.

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> ' There is a three-legged stool consisting of Activator x, vitamin D

> and calcium. Activator X is what opens the cells and allows vitamin

> D and calcium into the cell. Without activator x the cells keep

> calling on vitamin D and calcium as vitamin D and calcium can not

> get in the cells. Vitamin D accumulates and calcium continues to

> be pulled from the bones. This cycle does not stop, as the cells

> will continue to call on vitamin D and calcium until the cells 'get

> their fix'.'

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> Based on the above paraphrase, I'll bet that the calcium blood

> levels will be high in the patients with high vitamin D levels and

> hip fractures. this should be relevant as the calcium is pulled from

> the bones and weakens the bones.

>

> The note I am responding to indicated blame on cod liver oil and

> vitamin A but if Royal Lee and Weston Price are correct the real

> culprit is lack of activator X.

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On 5/13/06, dcw338 <gpp@...> wrote:

> Below is a related post on vitamin D. My theory (which I think

> would be parallel with WAP) is that maybe the issue with calcium

> overload or vitamin D concerns is actually activator X deficiency...

>

> This is in reply to the post that discusses Europe as highest

> Vitamin D level but high in hip fractures and blaming cod liver oil.

I really don't think you need to go that far. The populations that

have been studied in Sweden and found have fracture risk associated

with vitamin D were consuming practically zero vitamin D. Cannel's

comment was incredibly sloppy.

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> Sperti is a company that makes a home use sun lamp for obtaining

> vitamin D through the skin. www.sperti.com.

> They are also sold on ebay from time to time.

> My understanding is that tanning beds do not have adequate UVB rays to

> deliver vitamin D in sufficient amounts.

> I do tan from time to time however, since I live very far north, and

> crave the heat and the light in the winter.

I haven't looked into it myself but according to Cannel of the

Vitamin D Council, all tanning equipment delivers some UV-B and the

older tanning beds deliver more than the newer tanning booths. I

cannot certify that this is true but I have just been assuming it was

since he said this at a lecture I attended.

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Emma,

From what I remember, someone had a conversation with Sperti where she learned

that the " Vit-D " Lamp and another sun lamp of theirs differed only in the

exorbitant price of the " Vit-D " Lamp. I forget many of the details, but more

info could save you a good bit of money.

Jane

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I know tanning beds and regular bulbs for home are not allowed to have

full spectrum because the government thinks we will get skin cancer.

Dr. Mercola advertised a bulb made in China as having full spectrum. I

bought one for about $ but who knows what's true and not true from

China. Mercola has no email that I can find and I don't know if he

researched it but would love to find out.

This Sperti company my say it has a lamp for vitamin D but how can they

get away with it? I so much want to have a system that would be really

give me vitamin D .

On Feb 10, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Emma Davies wrote:

>> Sperti is a company that makes a home use sun lamp for obtaining

>> vitamin D through the skin. www.sperti.com.

>> They are also sold on ebay from time to time.

>> My understanding is that tanning beds do not have adequate UVB rays to

>> deliver vitamin D in sufficient amounts.

>> I do tan from time to time however, since I live very far north, and

>> crave the heat and the light in the winter.

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Has anyone checked out the $6 bulb Mercola sells? Is made in China so

gets away with true full spectrum but how do any of us know it's the

true spectrum? Does anyone on this list have access to equipment that

could tell?

I would like to buy a lot more but not if it's just hype.

On Feb 11, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Jane Rowland wrote:

> From what I remember, someone had a conversation with Sperti where she

> learned that the " Vit-D " Lamp and another sun lamp of theirs differed

> only in the exorbitant price of the " Vit-D " Lamp. I forget many of the

> details, but more info could save you a good bit of money

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> Has anyone checked out the $6 bulb Mercola sells? Is made in China so

> gets away with true full spectrum but how do any of us know it's the

> true spectrum? Does anyone on this list have access to equipment that

> could tell?

This is just my mind wandering but if they can get away with anything

in China can't they get away with telling Mercola it has UV-B even if

it doesn't?

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Parashis wrote:

> Has anyone checked out the $6 bulb Mercola sells? Is made in China so

> gets away with true full spectrum but how do any of us know it's the

> true spectrum? Does anyone on this list have access to equipment that

> could tell?

>

> I would like to buy a lot more but not if it's just hype.

>

I haven't looked into the bulb Mercola's hawking today, but I did

contact several Blue's Busters type of manufacturers and none of them

would make any claims about Vitamin D. All of them universally

responded with regard to the *appearance* of the light instead of what

wavelengths were actually produced.

--s, who decided they were a waste of money and does use the

Bio-D-mulsion that Mercola hawks.

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which bulb are you referring to? the ones I see on his site are $20 each.

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> Has anyone checked out the $6 bulb Mercola sells? Is made in China so

> gets away with true full spectrum but how do any of us know it's the

> true spectrum? Does anyone on this list have access to equipment that

> could tell?

>

> I would like to buy a lot more but not if it's just hype.

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> Hello Bee and everyone,

>

> I've been trying to get a reliable vitamin A supplement here in

> Australia, but so far haven't been successful. To get my vitamin A,

> I've been relying on my cod liver oil and foods. Is it okay to double

> my cod liver oil intake (to two teaspoons of Blue Ice per day instead

> of just one) to up my vitamin A. Or will I be getting too much

vitamin D. Is too much vitamin D a worry? How much is too much?

>

> I appreciate your help here and could you point me in the right

> direction to research this.

==>You can take up to 4,000 IUs of D per day without any problems, and

more Omega 3 won't hurt you but don't go over 4,000.

Bee

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==>You can take up to 4,000 IUs of D per day without any problems, and

> more Omega 3 won't hurt you but don't go over 4,000.

>

> Bee

>

The Cod Liver oil i take is pretty low strength in vitamin A (4000 IU

per teaspoon) and Vitamin D (200 IU) but it has almost 1000 mg of fatty

acids per teaspoon. So i have been taking about 5-6 teaspoons a day in

order to get my vitamin A & D. Does this mean i am taking in dangerous

amounts of Omega three (5,000-6,000 a day!)?

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> ==>You can take up to 4,000 IUs of D per day without any problems,

and

> > more Omega 3 won't hurt you but don't go over 4,000.

> >

> > Bee

> >

>

> The Cod Liver oil i take is pretty low strength in vitamin A (4000 IU

per teaspoon) and Vitamin D (200 IU) but it has almost 1000 mg of fatty

acids per teaspoon. So i have been taking about 5-6 teaspoons a day in

> order to get my vitamin A & D. Does this mean i am taking in

dangerous amounts of Omega three (5,000-6,000 a day!)?

==>No, I just looked it up and you can safely take 6,000 omega 3 per

day or more, as written in this article:

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/codliveroil.html

6 teaspoons (or 2 tablespoons) of your product equals:

24,000 IU Vitamin A

1,200 IU Vitamin D

6,000 mg Omega 3

If you take that high of an amount of Omega 3 I suggest you also take

15 mg of zinc per day to help the liver synthesize it.

Bee

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> Hello Bee and everyone,

>

> I've been trying to get a reliable vitamin A supplement here in

> Australia, but so far haven't been successful. To get my vitamin A,

> I've been relying on my cod liver oil and foods. Is it okay to double

> my cod liver oil intake (to two teaspoons of Blue Ice per day instead

> of just one) to up my vitamin A. Or will I be getting too much

vitamin

> D. Is too much vitamin D a worry? How much is too much?

>

> I appreciate your help here and could you point me in the right

> direction to research this.

>

> Thanks

>

Hi

I ordered the Natural Factors Vitamin A 10,000iu from iHerb. At the

time I ordered it I believed it was soy free but of course once i got

it I read vegetable oil as an ingredient. I emailed them & they told me

it has 80mg soy but apparently so does the Halibut oil so I figure that

I'm not having soy in any other products so hopefully I'm ok to take

this??? All the fish oils & cod liver oils I have found in Oz seem to

have vit e as the antioxidant which in every single case after calling

the company am told that it is soy derived. Doh.

You are so lucky to be getting a new computer!!!! Mine has crashed

about 6 times today...I am SO over it & totally understand your

frustrations so no rush in getting back to me. I just recently read

Bee's post about her new Dell computer & was very envious indeed as

that is on my wishlist!!!

Take care

Kelley :)

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> I ordered the Natural Factors Vitamin A 10,000iu from iHerb. At the

> time I ordered it I believed it was soy free but of course once i got

> it I read vegetable oil as an ingredient. I emailed them & they told me

> it has 80mg soy but apparently so does the Halibut oil so I figure that

> I'm not having soy in any other products so hopefully I'm ok to take

> this??? All the fish oils & cod liver oils I have found in Oz seem to

> have vit e as the antioxidant which in every single case after calling

> the company am told that it is soy derived. Doh.

If you " down under " folk are ordering from iHerb, you might want to

consider ordering from Vitaglo. It's cheaper, and they have international

shipping.

They sell NOW Shark Liver Oil which contains 10,000IU Vit A, and it's

soy-free. They also sell a Vitamin D 1000IU supplement by NOW that's

soy-free.

If I get the wrong supplement, I can't afford to throw it out. MOST of

the time, I figure a supplement that's not EXACTLY right is better than

none at all. However, when it comes time for me to order more, I make

sure to re-evaluate my choices. I can get almost everything I need from

Vitaglo. I don't know how their international shipping rates stack up to

iHerb, but if they're comparable, it might be a better choice.

Good luck!

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