Diarrhea

[Guest guest]

> Our 3 year old son was recently diagnosed with autism and we

> implemented the gluten free casein free diet about 3 months ago. Things

> were going great for awhile, but just within the last 2 weeks he has

> been battling daily diarrhea and stomach cramps. We think it may be soy

> intolerance (yougurt he eats) or sodium nitrate intolerance (Hebrew

> National hot dogs that he eats). My wife and I being new to a GFCF

> diet, just don't know what to do. ANY help out there would be greatly

> appreciated!

Soy and nitrates are common food intolerances. You can consider removing them,

or consider using enzymes

http://www.houstonni.com/

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/

Dana

[Guest guest]

The GF/CF diet does work good as it apparently has helped you to identify two

more foods that probably should be removed from daily intake. Stick to it

because it takes a quite a while for the gluten and casein to get out of the

system.

We are doing good on it, but have had to eliminate a lot of things to get it

right. Of course, since we eliminated a bunch of foods we have to supplement

certain things. We also grind our own hamburger and sausage.

There are plenty of good substitutes for soy. We have found Vance's Dari-Free

Milk Substitute is versatile for cooking, drinking, smoothies, etc. It comes in

chocolate as well. Pacific brand also has a variety of milks that are GF/CF soy

free. Many HealthFood Stores and Kirkman's Lab on the web do offer both.

The only cheese that we have found that is GF/totallyCF/SoyF is Vegan brand

available at HFS.

We believe that Hebrew International hot dogs, although Kosher, do have gluten.

We found Kosher's Best Hot Dogs at Sam's Club and B.J.s to be safe for our

little guy.

FYI---- http://www.Kinnikinnick.com has the best GF/CF/SoyF/ CornF dry goods for

baking things.

Check out http://www.gfcfdiet.com It has good resources. And also ph Mercola

has some good stuff on his site http://www.mercola.com/

[ ] Diarrhea

Our 3 year old son was recently diagnosed with autism and we

implemented the gluten free casein free diet about 3 months ago. Things

were going great for awhile, but just within the last 2 weeks he has

been battling daily diarrhea and stomach cramps. We think it may be soy

intolerance (yougurt he eats) or sodium nitrate intolerance (Hebrew

National hot dogs that he eats). My wife and I being new to a GFCF

diet, just don't know what to do. ANY help out there would be greatly

appreciated!

ny and in Minneapolis-St. MN area

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[Guest guest]

> Our 3 year old son was recently diagnosed with autism and we

> implemented the gluten free casein free diet about 3 months ago. Things

> were going great for awhile, but just within the last 2 weeks he has

> been battling daily diarrhea and stomach cramps. We think it may be soy

> intolerance (yougurt he eats) or sodium nitrate intolerance (Hebrew

> National hot dogs that he eats). My wife and I being new to a GFCF

> diet, just don't know what to do. ANY help out there would be greatly

> appreciated!

>

> ny and in Minneapolis-St. MN area

You may also wish to read the " GFCF Kids " list (very high

traffic):

GFCFKids/messages

Moria

[Guest guest]

> is still experiencing soft stools/diarrhea for each bowel movement.

> This was rarely any problem before we began the enzymes.

This might mean that she is not tolerating a food [or supplement],

even with the enzymes. I had that problem with my kids.

We are only

> using 1/4 to 1/2 capsule of enzymes (per enzyme) prior to each meal

> (i.e., 1/2 cap Peptizyde, 1/2 cap ZP, and 1/2 cap Phenol Assist).

I have not read any success stories with Phenol Assist [Kirkman]. If

your child eats high phenol foods, you might consider trying No-Fenol

[HNI].

My son did not tolerate certain foods, even with enzymes. So you

might want to rotate foods and experiment a little.

We

> don't think the problem, therefore, is too much enzymes, and we have

> been advised that in any case even if we took multiple capsules at a

> time we should not experience diarrhea as a result.

It is possible your child does not tolerate an ingredient of the

enzymes. If you suspect a possible papain/bromelain issue, use AFP

Peptizyde and SCD Zyme Prime.

Dana

[Guest guest]

The Citrucel and other fiber can help.

Diarrhea

Hi y'all,

I had my MGB in May, 2003 and have had a fantastic experience - no real

complaints, just occasional challenges. It's just one of those journeys

where you learn little lessons as you go - what food agrees with you (or

not), hair loss, maximum numer of tight-cheeked steps from the toilet, etc.

All these things are very minor considering the many incredible and subtle

benefits of the weight loss.

Just a question, though, for the experts out there - it seems, like many

others, that I get diarrhea often, maybe about half the time. I see

reference to this on the boards as if it's a very bad thing, but is this

level of diarrhea really harmful in any way physiologically, or is it just

another one of those minor inconveniences?

No opinions or wive's tales about people who have turned themselves inside

out, just informed input please.

Bill

5-20-03

282/179 and holding for almost a year

Dr. R, Statesville

[Guest guest]

Diarrhea can be a side effect of any antibiotic. It could be that

you have to start slowly with your abx to give your body a chance to

adjust. By that I mean take half-doses or less; if you do OK after a

few days to a week, increase the dose.

Until your diarrhea is under control make sure you drink lots of

water.

Jessie

>

> Hi All,

>

> Has anyone had problems with their stools? I started my Ketek and

> Amoxycillin on Monday and developed diarrhea right away. I am

taking

> Probiotic PB8 1000mg mid-day PM, Ultimate Flra with 50 blends(50

> million bacteria)with FOS, 1 capsule (336mg) mid-mornig and

another

> when I wake up at night. My stools are very mushy and very dark. I

> called the nurse this morning. I was told to increase my

probiotics and

> I may have to come in for stool lab check. She said I may have to

take

> something to harden my stools. I don't drink any milk but eat goat

> yogurt for breakfast with a bagel. BTW, I have severe spinal

> osteoporosis so I cannot afford to mess up my digestion and

absorbtion

> of nutrients! Any thoughts you could share I would appreaciate!

>

[Guest guest]

Lida

Do your probiotics contain Saccharomyces boulardii (sp-print is

really little)? It's an important one from what I've read- along

with many others too tho.

You're braver than me starting right off the bat with full dose and

both antibiotics- I generally start slowly with stuff, like someone

else just posted. I've never taken 2 antibiotics together either- at

least at this point in time.

Rose Marie

>

>

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Has anyone had problems with their stools? I started my Ketek

and

> > Amoxycillin on Monday and developed diarrhea right away. I am

> taking

> > Probiotic PB8 1000mg mid-day PM, Ultimate Flra with 50 blends(50

> > million bacteria)with FOS, 1 capsule (336mg) mid-mornig and

> another

> > when I wake up at night. My stools are very mushy and very dark.

I

> > called the nurse this morning. I was told to increase my

> probiotics and

> > I may have to come in for stool lab check. She said I may have

to

> take

> > something to harden my stools. I don't drink any milk but eat

goat

> > yogurt for breakfast with a bagel. BTW, I have severe spinal

> > osteoporosis so I cannot afford to mess up my digestion and

> absorbtion

> > of nutrients! Any thoughts you could share I would appreaciate!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jessie -- your suggestion is a sound one. I wonder why the nurse did

not suggest it? Yes, I incresed my water intake, which the nurse did

recommend. I am taking rather high doses to start with, Ketek 400mg

2xday, Amocycillin 500mg 3xday. The highest abx I've taken was

Doxycyline 100mg 2xday. Maybe that is what I will end up doing. Thank

you. -- Lida

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Has anyone had problems with their stools? I started my Ketek and

> > Amoxycillin on Monday and developed diarrhea right away. I am

> taking

> > Probiotic PB8 1000mg mid-day PM, Ultimate Flra with 50 blends(50

> > million bacteria)with FOS, 1 capsule (336mg) mid-mornig and

> another

> > when I wake up at night. My stools are very mushy and very dark.

I

> > called the nurse this morning. I was told to increase my

> probiotics and

> > I may have to come in for stool lab check. She said I may have to

> take

> > something to harden my stools. I don't drink any milk but eat

goat

> > yogurt for breakfast with a bagel. BTW, I have severe spinal

> > osteoporosis so I cannot afford to mess up my digestion and

> absorbtion

> > of nutrients! Any thoughts you could share I would appreaciate!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Rose Marie -- No, neither of my probiotics contains this strain. Did

your doctor tell you to start slow or did you just do it on your own?

Maybe that is what my IDS MD meant when he said he did not believe in

this approach of LLMD. I just hope I will not end up with new other

problems that I did not have. Thanks for your reply. -- Lida

> > >

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > Has anyone had problems with their stools? I started my Ketek

> and

> > > Amoxycillin on Monday and developed diarrhea right away. I am

> > taking

> > > Probiotic PB8 1000mg mid-day PM, Ultimate Flra with 50 blends

(50

> > > million bacteria)with FOS, 1 capsule (336mg) mid-mornig and

> > another

> > > when I wake up at night. My stools are very mushy and very

dark.

> I

> > > called the nurse this morning. I was told to increase my

> > probiotics and

> > > I may have to come in for stool lab check. She said I may have

> to

> > take

> > > something to harden my stools. I don't drink any milk but eat

> goat

> > > yogurt for breakfast with a bagel. BTW, I have severe spinal

> > > osteoporosis so I cannot afford to mess up my digestion and

> > absorbtion

> > > of nutrients! Any thoughts you could share I would appreaciate!

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You might try a banana every few days to help control the diarrhea. I

found that goat's milk increased my tolerance to the abx.

cheers

Duncan

> > >

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > Has anyone had problems with their stools? I started my Ketek and

> > > Amoxycillin on Monday and developed diarrhea right away. I am

> > taking

> > > Probiotic PB8 1000mg mid-day PM, Ultimate Flra with 50 blends(50

> > > million bacteria)with FOS, 1 capsule (336mg) mid-mornig and

> > another

> > > when I wake up at night. My stools are very mushy and very dark.

> I

> > > called the nurse this morning. I was told to increase my

> > probiotics and

> > > I may have to come in for stool lab check. She said I may have to

> > take

> > > something to harden my stools. I don't drink any milk but eat

> goat

> > > yogurt for breakfast with a bagel. BTW, I have severe spinal

> > > osteoporosis so I cannot afford to mess up my digestion and

> > absorbtion

> > > of nutrients! Any thoughts you could share I would appreaciate!

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I always tried to take mine with some goat or soy milk and food.

cheers

Duncan

> > > >

> > > > Hi All,

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone had problems with their stools? I started my Ketek and

> > > > Amoxycillin on Monday and developed diarrhea right away. I am

> > > taking

> > > > Probiotic PB8 1000mg mid-day PM, Ultimate Flra with 50 blends(50

> > > > million bacteria)with FOS, 1 capsule (336mg) mid-mornig and

> > > another

> > > > when I wake up at night. My stools are very mushy and very dark.

> > I

> > > > called the nurse this morning. I was told to increase my

> > > probiotics and

> > > > I may have to come in for stool lab check. She said I may have to

> > > take

> > > > something to harden my stools. I don't drink any milk but eat

> > goat

> > > > yogurt for breakfast with a bagel. BTW, I have severe spinal

> > > > osteoporosis so I cannot afford to mess up my digestion and

> > > absorbtion

> > > > of nutrients! Any thoughts you could share I would appreaciate!

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lida

It's used to help prevent C. difficile which causes diarrhea- I

couldn't find an actual article about it- try googling it. I did

find several posts from various folks on several groups. One lady

said that Zithromax was notorious for causing this, that's why I

started it awhile back.

He puts on the antiobitic prescriptions to Use 1 or 2or etc blank

times a day- so kind of leaves it up to your own tolerance I guess.

From what I've seen about people's doses he's kind of in the middle

with doseages. I do it because if I have a problem I would know

about it before it would really be a problem. As an example- I slide

into the water and don't dive in as I'm not a good swimmer and I'm

leary of the unknown.

From what I understand it's good to have a variety of good bacteria

in your probiotic, but maybe that's what they say to sell it. Only

thing I'd know is to look up stuff and read.

Hope it resolves...it could be die-off I suppose also.

Take care

Rose Marie

---

> > > >

> > > > Hi All,

> > > >

> > > > Has anyone had problems with their stools? I started my

Ketek

> > and

> > > > Amoxycillin on Monday and developed diarrhea right away. I

am

> > > taking

> > > > Probiotic PB8 1000mg mid-day PM, Ultimate Flra with 50 blends

> (50

> > > > million bacteria)with FOS, 1 capsule (336mg) mid-mornig and

> > > another

> > > > when I wake up at night. My stools are very mushy and very

> dark.

> > I

> > > > called the nurse this morning. I was told to increase my

> > > probiotics and

> > > > I may have to come in for stool lab check. She said I may

have

> > to

> > > take

> > > > something to harden my stools. I don't drink any milk but

eat

> > goat

> > > > yogurt for breakfast with a bagel. BTW, I have severe spinal

> > > > osteoporosis so I cannot afford to mess up my digestion and

> > > absorbtion

> > > > of nutrients! Any thoughts you could share I would

appreaciate!

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>> Do your probiotics contain Saccharomyces boulardii (sp-print is

>> really little)? It's an important one from what I've read- along

>> with many others too tho.

Lida,

After being on multiple antibiotics for two years I started getting diahrrea

too. I thought it was from food allergies.

I guess my doctor had a different idea. He suggested taking the

saccharomyces boulardii in addition to the already constant intake of other

probiotics. It worked! It worked really, really well. And quickly. After

steady use of, oh, maybe one to three bottles worth, I could stop using it.

The brand I used was pure encapsulations. My local vitamin store ordered it

through Emerson Ecologics (online). If I'm remembering correctly, some pure

encapsulations cannot be ordered by consumers on the website. But there are

other places where you can buy it without being a health professional.

Good luck.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Deanna -- Thank you for all the info. Thank you Rose Marie for

bringing up the name of the importance of the saccharomyces boulardii

in the GT tract.

My nurse called back yesterday to suggest I eat hard cheese which is

binding and to increase my probiotics. It is hard to do it at night ,

capsules will not go down when I lay down. Also hard to go back to

sleep. So not much sleep last night. I am to call back next Thursday

if it doesn't improve. I appreciate your replies. -- Lida

>

> >> Do your probiotics contain Saccharomyces boulardii (sp-print is

> >> really little)? It's an important one from what I've read- along

> >> with many others too tho.

>

> Lida,

>

> After being on multiple antibiotics for two years I started getting

diahrrea

> too. I thought it was from food allergies.

>

> I guess my doctor had a different idea. He suggested taking the

> saccharomyces boulardii in addition to the already constant intake

of other

> probiotics. It worked! It worked really, really well. And

quickly. After

> steady use of, oh, maybe one to three bottles worth, I could stop

using it.

>

> The brand I used was pure encapsulations. My local vitamin store

ordered it

> through Emerson Ecologics (online). If I'm remembering correctly,

some pure

> encapsulations cannot be ordered by consumers on the website. But

there are

> other places where you can buy it without being a health

professional.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Deanna

>

[Guest guest]

After a surgery i got a pseudomonous infection........very deadly. My home

care nurse put me on Metamucil.............I thought she was nuts, but she

said that it absorbs the liquid........and it worked. Diarrhea from that

infection is very slow to go away. That germ hides in your intestines for

up to a year.

good luck,

connie, michigan

[ ] Re: Diarrhea

> Deanna -- Thank you for all the info. Thank you Rose Marie for

> bringing up the name of the importance of the saccharomyces boulardii

> in the GT tract.

> My nurse called back yesterday to suggest I eat hard cheese which is

> binding and to increase my probiotics. It is hard to do it at night ,

> capsules will not go down when I lay down. Also hard to go back to

> sleep. So not much sleep last night. I am to call back next Thursday

> if it doesn't improve. I appreciate your replies. -- Lida

>

>

>>

>> >> Do your probiotics contain Saccharomyces boulardii (sp-print is

>> >> really little)? It's an important one from what I've read- along

>> >> with many others too tho.

>>

>> Lida,

>>

>> After being on multiple antibiotics for two years I started getting

> diahrrea

>> too. I thought it was from food allergies.

>>

>> I guess my doctor had a different idea. He suggested taking the

>> saccharomyces boulardii in addition to the already constant intake

> of other

>> probiotics. It worked! It worked really, really well. And

> quickly. After

>> steady use of, oh, maybe one to three bottles worth, I could stop

> using it.

>>

>> The brand I used was pure encapsulations. My local vitamin store

> ordered it

>> through Emerson Ecologics (online). If I'm remembering correctly,

> some pure

>> encapsulations cannot be ordered by consumers on the website. But

> there are

>> other places where you can buy it without being a health

> professional.

>>

>> Good luck.

>>

>> Deanna

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For up to date information about Lyme disease and the known co-infections

> delivered to your email address see:

> Robynns_Lyme_List/

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you are refering to pseudomembraneous colitis otherwise known as C.

Difficile it is actually advised NOT to take anything binding like

Metamucil or Imodium. As uncomfortable as it is the diarrhea will get

the C. Difficile out of one's body whereas if you slow down the removal

it gives the bacteria more time to cause internal damage which can

ulcerate the gut. The best treatments are Flagyl which will knock down

the number of C. Difficile in the gut and daily probiotics that contain

Saccharomyces Boulardii. There is a Flagyl resistant strain of C.

Difficile emerging that can be treated with long term Cipro. There was

also a recent article in Newsweek I believe that stated Zantac has been

found to also cause C. Difficile to flair. I picked up C. Difficile

while working in the hospital and have have it 4 times, so

unfortunately I have become well versed on it. It is not something to

play around with or take likely as yes it can be deadly.

>

> After a surgery i got a pseudomonous infection........very deadly.

My home

> care nurse put me on Metamucil.............I thought she was nuts,

but she

> said that it absorbs the liquid........and it worked. Diarrhea from

that

> infection is very slow to go away. That germ hides in your

intestines for

> up to a year.

>

> good luck,

>

> connie, michigan

[Guest guest]

As spirochetes die off and produce neurotoxins you will often see a

change in the texture of stools. On Zithro mine get fluffy and I

have heard that from others. It might be a good idea to get the

stool test as dark stools sometimes indicate blood in the stool.

SOMETIMES not always. Your probiotics should keep stools from

becoming too loose. If not then it may not be very good quality

probiotics or your timing may be off as you need to take them 1-2

hrs after abx.

Are you taking Ketex after eating your goat yogurt? I believe

calcium binds with Ketex which makes it lose effectiveness.

>

> Hi All,

>

> Has anyone had problems with their stools? I started my Ketek and

> Amoxycillin on Monday and developed diarrhea right away. I am

taking

> Probiotic PB8 1000mg mid-day PM, Ultimate Flra with 50 blends(50

> million bacteria)with FOS, 1 capsule (336mg) mid-mornig and

another

> when I wake up at night. My stools are very mushy and very dark. I

> called the nurse this morning. I was told to increase my

probiotics and

> I may have to come in for stool lab check. She said I may have to

take

> something to harden my stools. I don't drink any milk but eat goat

> yogurt for breakfast with a bagel. BTW, I have severe spinal

> osteoporosis so I cannot afford to mess up my digestion and

absorbtion

> of nutrients! Any thoughts you could share I would appreaciate!

>

[Guest guest]

The majority of antibiotics bind with calcium and magnesium rendering

the abx ineffective when taken with food containing the minerals. In

addition Zithromax also binds with Iron. One should never consume Vit C

and Bactrim as it can cause kidney damage. One needs to research each

of their antibiotics to the nth degree because doctors do not know

these things and pharmacists often forget to tell patients.

>

> I always tried to take mine with some goat or soy milk and food.

>

> cheers

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I took the metamucil...........going for three weeks every five minutes.

It didn't stop it........just slowed it down...

connie

[ ] Re: Diarrhea

> If you are refering to pseudomembraneous colitis otherwise known as C.

> Difficile it is actually advised NOT to take anything binding like

> Metamucil or Imodium. As uncomfortable as it is the diarrhea will get

> the C. Difficile out of one's body whereas if you slow down the removal

> it gives the bacteria more time to cause internal damage which can

> ulcerate the gut. The best treatments are Flagyl which will knock down

> the number of C. Difficile in the gut and daily probiotics that contain

> Saccharomyces Boulardii. There is a Flagyl resistant strain of C.

> Difficile emerging that can be treated with long term Cipro. There was

> also a recent article in Newsweek I believe that stated Zantac has been

> found to also cause C. Difficile to flair. I picked up C. Difficile

> while working in the hospital and have have it 4 times, so

> unfortunately I have become well versed on it. It is not something to

> play around with or take likely as yes it can be deadly.

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>> After a surgery i got a pseudomonous infection........very deadly.

> My home

>> care nurse put me on Metamucil.............I thought she was nuts,

> but she

>> said that it absorbs the liquid........and it worked. Diarrhea from

> that

>> infection is very slow to go away. That germ hides in your

> intestines for

>> up to a year.

>>

>> good luck,

>>

>> connie, michigan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For up to date information about Lyme disease and the known co-infections

> delivered to your email address see:

> Robynns_Lyme_List/

>

>

[Guest guest]

-- thank you for your reply and info. Yes, I do take Ketek

with my breakfast when I eat the goat yogurt. The nurse actually said

I should introduce cheese into my meals because it is binding and

also said good because of calcium. (I have spinal osteoporosis) I was

told to increase my probiotics to 3-4 each time and if no

hange/improvement in stool to call back. She said they may run a lab

test. My stool is mushy not ormed into a shape. I bought and started

yesterday Sacharomyasis boulardii, 1.5 billion plus 200mg Bio-MOS

(Mannan Oligol Saccharidel). I take my probiotics 2 1/2 hours after

abx mid-morning, mid-afternoon and started also 4 hours after my

dinner. I take bothabx with breakfast, lunch and dinner. I take

supplements at the same time. The nurse said it was o.k. BTW, I did

have a very bad diarrhea with my acute Lyme infection so maybe it is

part of the Herx? -- Lida

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Has anyone had problems with their stools? I started my Ketek and

> > Amoxycillin on Monday and developed diarrhea right away. I am

> taking

> > Probiotic PB8 1000mg mid-day PM, Ultimate Flra with 50 blends(50

> > million bacteria)with FOS, 1 capsule (336mg) mid-mornig and

> another

> > when I wake up at night. My stools are very mushy and very dark.

I

> > called the nurse this morning. I was told to increase my

> probiotics and

> > I may have to come in for stool lab check. She said I may have to

> take

> > something to harden my stools. I don't drink any milk but eat

goat

> > yogurt for breakfast with a bagel. BTW, I have severe spinal

> > osteoporosis so I cannot afford to mess up my digestion and

> absorbtion

> > of nutrients! Any thoughts you could share I would appreaciate!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lida,

The nurse may have said it is ok, but that doesn't mean she knows

what she is talking about. You would be surprised how many people

are not well versed on the interactions of meds. If you take your

abx with calcium and magnesium containing foods you are the same as

just throwing away your abx. It will do very little good if that is

the case.

There is also such a thing of taking too much probiotics. If you

take more than your body needs you can get severe herxing from that

and/ or diarrhea. There are other things that can cause diarrhea

besides Lyme and herxing. You might want to keep a food diary. IBS

and lactose intolerance both can cause diarrhea. Maybe you need to

switch brands of probiotics?? My experience is I had chronic

diarrhea for 6 years and I went on Primal Defense and it stopped in

a matter of days. Are you on Flagyl? You might have C. Difficile and

severe diarrhea is a symptom. You can get the dr to order a stool

test for that if you are suspicious. There are a lot of

possibilities. The thing is taking something binding is not the

solution. You need to find out what is causing the diarrhea and

address that issue not cover over the symptoms by eating binding

foods. If your dr doesn't understand this then perhaps you need to

find a better dr.

>

> -- thank you for your reply and info. Yes, I do take Ketek

> with my breakfast when I eat the goat yogurt. The nurse actually

said

> I should introduce cheese into my meals because it is binding and

> also said good because of calcium. (I have spinal osteoporosis) I

was

> told to increase my probiotics to 3-4 each time and if no

> hange/improvement in stool to call back. She said they may run a

lab

> test. My stool is mushy not ormed into a shape. I bought and

started

> yesterday Sacharomyasis boulardii, 1.5 billion plus 200mg Bio-MOS

> (Mannan Oligol Saccharidel). I take my probiotics 2 1/2 hours

after

> abx mid-morning, mid-afternoon and started also 4 hours after my

> dinner. I take bothabx with breakfast, lunch and dinner. I take

> supplements at the same time. The nurse said it was o.k. BTW, I

did

> have a very bad diarrhea with my acute Lyme infection so maybe it

is

> part of the Herx? -- Lida

[Guest guest]

ANGELA,

I started the diarrhea 2 days after taking Ketek and Amoxicillin both

are abx. Ketek is known for causing diarrhea,one of its primary side

effects. At this time I was taking probiotic mid- morning and 2 mid-

afternoon. Good brands.PB8 and Iai switched from Ultimate Flora to

New Chapter All Flora. The Ultimate Flora had FOS in it and it is not

good to take, I learned. Neither contained saccharomyacyn b.,

though. I did add this on with aseperate capsule and increased my

probiotics to 3 capsules 3x/day. Saccharomyasis boulardii, 1.5

billion plus 200mg Bio-MOS Mannan Oligol Saccharidel). Should I be

concerned about the MOS since it is some type of sugar the S. b.

needs to feed on?

No I am not on Flagyl and never have taken it. Thanks for pointing

out the interaction of Ca and Mg with abx. This is extremely

important to me because I have spinal osteoporosis. I need to check

this out. I will start taking my vitains and Ca & Mg an hour after

taking abx. That means for me eating again to take it to absorb it.

This is 3x/day like that. Additionally, I will need to squeeze in my

Probiotics inbetween.

I would expect my LLMD's triadd(?) nurse to know the contraindication

with CA & Mg. No, I am not intolerant to lactose. I only eat goat

yogurt because I love the taste. It is similar to what I grew up with

when living in former Czechoslovakia, today Czech Republic.

I guess the nurse is mediocre. I will be talking to her next week if

things don't improve. She did say they will check my stool. She did

say, however, this is very normal and people's bodies usually adjust.

So sooooooooorry to hear about your struggle with C. Difficile. Know

nothing about it, thanks Margh for pointing out the article in Wash.

Post. Hugs -- Lida

> >

> > -- thank you for your reply and info. Yes, I do take Ketek

> > with my breakfast when I eat the goat yogurt. The nurse actually

> said

> > I should introduce cheese into my meals because it is binding and

> > also said good because of calcium. (I have spinal osteoporosis) I

> was

> > told to increase my probiotics to 3-4 each time and if no

> > hange/improvement in stool to call back. She said they may run a

> lab

> > test. My stool is mushy not ormed into a shape. I bought and

> started

> > yesterday Sacharomyasis boulardii, 1.5 billion plus 200mg Bio-MOS

> > (Mannan Oligol Saccharidel). I take my probiotics 2 1/2 hours

> after

> > abx mid-morning, mid-afternoon and started also 4 hours after my

> > dinner. I take bothabx with breakfast, lunch and dinner. I take

> > supplements at the same time. The nurse said it was o.k. BTW, I

> did

> > have a very bad diarrhea with my acute Lyme infection so maybe it

> is

> > part of the Herx? -- Lida

>

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Lida wrote:

> I would expect my LLMD's triadd(?) nurse to know the contraindication with CA

> & Mg.

If my memory (with Lymbrain) serves me well, it seems that a long time ago

we discussed here the problems with abx effectiveness when taken with dairy.

In fact, a couple years ago a patient won a lawsuit against a pharmacy

because the boilerplate printed info sheet on the antibiotic prescription

said something like " take pill with a glass of milk " to avoid stomach upset.

I'm not sure, but I think it was Doxy. And the woman got worse and worse

with Lyme and won the case because dairy nullifies the effects of particular

abx.

As I said, I know the story is true, I just don't remember *exactly* which

abx was involved in the lawsuit, or which ones have that problem with dairy

products and calcium.

And, yeah, it's hard to find a time to take all these pills you can't take

at the same time. The only time I can take green clay, which I use for

neurotoxing binding, is in the middle of the night when I wake up to go to

the bathroom.

When someone writes one of those funny poems about Lyme, remember to include

this one.

Deanna

[Guest guest]

Deanna -- most interesting info, thanks. I did research on Google for

interaction of Ca & Mg with Ketek but found no information. I did

find out Ketek has half life for 10 hours in the system. Are archives

that hold this info. I'd like to read more, please. -- Lida

>

> > I would expect my LLMD's triadd(?) nurse to know the

contraindication with CA

> > & Mg.

>

> If my memory (with Lymbrain) serves me well, it seems that a long

time ago

> we discussed here the problems with abx effectiveness when taken

with dairy.

>

> In fact, a couple years ago a patient won a lawsuit against a

pharmacy

> because the boilerplate printed info sheet on the antibiotic

prescription

> said something like " take pill with a glass of milk " to avoid

stomach upset.

> I'm not sure, but I think it was Doxy. And the woman got worse and

worse

> with Lyme and won the case because dairy nullifies the effects of

particular

> abx.

>

> As I said, I know the story is true, I just don't remember

*exactly* which

> abx was involved in the lawsuit, or which ones have that problem

with dairy

> products and calcium.

>

> And, yeah, it's hard to find a time to take all these pills you

can't take

> at the same time. The only time I can take green clay, which I use

for

> neurotoxing binding, is in the middle of the night when I wake up

to go to

> the bathroom.

>

> When someone writes one of those funny poems about Lyme, remember

to include

> this one.

>

> Deanna

>

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Consider using Nystatin for yeast. It's not

so hard on the liver.

--- dannenedrummond <dannenedrummond@...>

wrote:

> Can diflucan cause diarrhea? Ever since I put my

> son on it he has had

> loose poop and today he didn't quite make it to the

> bathroom (poor

> little guy was so upset!!!) He hasn't been laughing

> manically as much

> so it seems to be working (or maybe it's the GLE).

>

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