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December 6, 2005

That is great to know that the pain of having them in was worse than

the explant. I did really well with the implan, and the ps I chose is

confident that I will do very well with recovery. I am so anxious to

have them removed. I know EXACTLY what you are talking about when you

were trying to sleep and when you bend over - they are just not

natural! It amazes me that these things are considered " safe " . It

makes me sick to think of all the lies that the Dr's tell you - about

how they are safe and complications are slim to none. I just wish

there was more we could do to warn women of this! I actually had a

few questions - hoping to get some answers. What are the drains for,

and is it required that they be removed " en bloc " ?

>

> Hi , welcome to the site. If mine didn't make me physically

> sick, I still would have hated them, too. I only had mine 6 months

> before I had them out, but I hated how they felt when I slept, and

I

> hated how they felt when I'd bend over to pick something up. It's

> amazing that so many plastic surgeons (especially the original

> surgeon who put them in) try to discourage us from having them

> removed, and they all seem to have the same line - that we'll be

> unhappy if we have them removed. If they take them out, then there

> goes the return business when one ruptures, or someone gets

capsular

> contracture.

>

> I've had mine out for one month, and the surgery to have them in

was

> much more painful than having them out.

>

> Sis

>

> >

> > Jenna,

> >

> > Thanks for the kind words. I do feel very lucky to have such a

> > supportive bf. He is one in a million. It is so funny because

> every ps

> > that I saw said " well they look great " . I totally agree, my big

> boobs

> > do look great - but they don't feel great. From the very

beginning

> my

> > left breast has always felt out of place - literally like it is

> going

> > to fall out, and I kept complaining to my original ps - he said

> that I

> > just need to continue to massage them. Within the last 6 months -

> it

> > has come to the point where I have cried while I was driving

> because as

> > I hit a bump, I feel like my boob is coming out. I have also had

> > shooting pain in my left breast and constant discomfort caused by

> the

> > sensation that it is falling out. The ps I selected to remove my

> > implants said that my left implant has fallen out of it's muscle

> pocket

> > and that is why it feels the way it does. It makes such sense -

so

> I am

> > not crazy! It pretty well is falling out. My original ps was so

> stunned

> > that I wanted to have them removed, he suggested that I go to a

> > silicone implant, and the problem was caused because I chose to

> big of

> > an implant. Blew me away! He said that I wouldn't be happy if I

> had

> > them removed - but like I told him - I am not happy with them in.

> My

> > goal is to have them removed within 6 months. My bf and I are

> saving

> > every little bit we can - I just can't wait for them to come out.

> >

>

December 6, 2005

, the drains are not a big problem. The thought of them seems

creepy however they are really just kind of bulky, and they're only

in for a few days, and they don't hurt. Having them removed en bloc

ensures that none of the fluid inside the implants is dispersed into

your body, and also you don't want the capsules left behind. There

are toxins inside the implants, and even if they're not making you

sick now, you could end up with problems if some of the contents of

the implants is spilled into your body. It sounds like you don't

have any immune problems right now, it sounds like you just don't

want them in your body any longer, so it's better safe than sorry to

have them removed properly and then you don't have to worry.

Sis

> > >

> > > Jenna,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the kind words. I do feel very lucky to have such a

> > > supportive bf. He is one in a million. It is so funny because

> > every ps

> > > that I saw said " well they look great " . I totally agree, my

big

> > boobs

> > > do look great - but they don't feel great. From the very

> beginning

> > my

> > > left breast has always felt out of place - literally like it

is

> > going

> > > to fall out, and I kept complaining to my original ps - he

said

> > that I

> > > just need to continue to massage them. Within the last 6

months -

> > it

> > > has come to the point where I have cried while I was driving

> > because as

> > > I hit a bump, I feel like my boob is coming out. I have also

had

> > > shooting pain in my left breast and constant discomfort caused

by

> > the

> > > sensation that it is falling out. The ps I selected to remove

my

> > > implants said that my left implant has fallen out of it's

muscle

> > pocket

> > > and that is why it feels the way it does. It makes such sense -

> so

> > I am

> > > not crazy! It pretty well is falling out. My original ps was

so

> > stunned

> > > that I wanted to have them removed, he suggested that I go to

a

> > > silicone implant, and the problem was caused because I chose

to

> > big of

> > > an implant. Blew me away! He said that I wouldn't be happy if

I

> > had

> > > them removed - but like I told him - I am not happy with them

in.

> > My

> > > goal is to have them removed within 6 months. My bf and I are

> > saving

> > > every little bit we can - I just can't wait for them to come

out.

> > >

> >

>

December 6, 2005

That makes a lot of sense about the toxins being left behind. I had

never thought of that. Thankfully, no I have not had any immune

problems, but better safe than sorry. One Dr that I spoke to about

having them removed en bloc, said that I would not need to have the

capsules removed since my breasts were very soft. They made it seem

like they only needed to be removed if the breast tissue was hard. I

have a lot to learn it seems. I just want to be sure and have it done

right the first time, so that I can put this all behind me.

> , the drains are not a big problem. The thought of them

seems

> creepy however they are really just kind of bulky, and they're only

> in for a few days, and they don't hurt. Having them removed en

bloc

> ensures that none of the fluid inside the implants is dispersed

into

> your body, and also you don't want the capsules left behind. There

> are toxins inside the implants, and even if they're not making you

> sick now, you could end up with problems if some of the contents of

> the implants is spilled into your body. It sounds like you don't

> have any immune problems right now, it sounds like you just don't

> want them in your body any longer, so it's better safe than sorry

to

> have them removed properly and then you don't have to worry.

>

> Sis

>

> > > >

> > > > Jenna,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the kind words. I do feel very lucky to have such

a

> > > > supportive bf. He is one in a million. It is so funny because

> > > every ps

> > > > that I saw said " well they look great " . I totally agree, my

> big

> > > boobs

> > > > do look great - but they don't feel great. From the very

> > beginning

> > > my

> > > > left breast has always felt out of place - literally like it

> is

> > > going

> > > > to fall out, and I kept complaining to my original ps - he

> said

> > > that I

> > > > just need to continue to massage them. Within the last 6

> months -

> > > it

> > > > has come to the point where I have cried while I was driving

> > > because as

> > > > I hit a bump, I feel like my boob is coming out. I have also

> had

> > > > shooting pain in my left breast and constant discomfort

caused

> by

> > > the

> > > > sensation that it is falling out. The ps I selected to remove

> my

> > > > implants said that my left implant has fallen out of it's

> muscle

> > > pocket

> > > > and that is why it feels the way it does. It makes such

sense -

>

> > so

> > > I am

> > > > not crazy! It pretty well is falling out. My original ps was

> so

> > > stunned

> > > > that I wanted to have them removed, he suggested that I go to

> a

> > > > silicone implant, and the problem was caused because I chose

> to

> > > big of

> > > > an implant. Blew me away! He said that I wouldn't be happy if

> I

> > > had

> > > > them removed - but like I told him - I am not happy with them

> in.

> > > My

> > > > goal is to have them removed within 6 months. My bf and I are

> > > saving

> > > > every little bit we can - I just can't wait for them to come

> out.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 6, 2005

Hi ,

well, better to have them removed after just 3 yrs than after 10 or

more or you'd more than likely be sick. if you got a boyfriend who

didn't want you to have those things in the first place and is

willing to help foot the bill for having them out I say keep that man

around! so many men like my first husband were all too eager to have

me go through the crap of having them in and even if he says he

didn't tell me to do it or pressure me, he really did, every time he

oogled a woman with big breasts in public or on television. my

husband i have now wished he had met me before i got them in-h e

loves small breasts and says he dated a totally flat chested girl

once, which is probably what i'm gonna be. so again i say keep that

man around.

>

> Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my saline

implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them done

was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my life.

I have not had severe health problems, but I have had enough

complications to want these terrible things out of my body. Recently

I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally found the

one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the factor of

the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I have started what

we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so supportive throught

this whole mess, I just wish I would have listened to him in the

first place - he didn't want me to have them done. Too late for that

now - I consider all of this a HUGE learning experience. Anyways -

just wanted to introduce myself.

>

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December 6, 2005

My husband just recently asked " did you think I wanted you to get

the implants? " , and I said yes, because he told me a bad boob job

would still look better than what I had. I should have just pointed

out what an insensitive thing that was to say, and perhaps said that

his body isn't perfect either, but instead I got caught up in the

boobie trap. I'm not a quick healer, I'm a month post-op and still

suffering from the side effects of the implants and the second

surgery wiped me out, but I know I'm better off without them in my

body, and I'm doing the very best I can for my body right now. I

feel better knowing that I'm eating healthy and hoping that my body

will respond. Winter is tough for me, so I suspect I won't see a

major change until the spring, but I'll take keep putting in good

stuff and hopefully will be rewarded with renewed health.

Sis

> >

> > Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my

saline

> implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them

done

> was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my

life.

> I have not had severe health problems, but I have had enough

> complications to want these terrible things out of my body.

Recently

> I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally found

the

> one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the factor

of

> the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I have started

what

> we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so supportive

throught

> this whole mess, I just wish I would have listened to him in the

> first place - he didn't want me to have them done. Too late for

that

> now - I consider all of this a HUGE learning experience. Anyways -

> just wanted to introduce myself.

> >

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December 6, 2005

Welcome ,

We have a wonderful group of well informed women here

who want to see EVERY woman avoid the pitfalls that

come with implants! You sound like you'll fit right

in!

Something that hasn't been mentioned recently is the

problems that some children have after being born to

an implanted mother. . . . Since you're so young, I'm

assuming you don't have your children yet. One of the

best things you can do for them is to be implant-free

and healthy!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

December 6, 2005

Hi and welcome to our group. I am so glad that you figured out how

harmful implants can be before you got really sick. And that is

wonderful that your boyfriend is so supportive! It is amazing, but

we have had a few women on this group lately who have said their

boyfriend/husband never thought getting implants was a good idea and

in fact, didn't even like them! And that is certainly good to

hear. I was wondering how you chose your ps. Is it someone that

takes out implants " en bloc " making sure to remove the entire

capsule? Does he/she use drains? It is important to make sure they

are taken out properly in order to make sure you have the best

chance of recovering from any damage done by your implants. Thanks

for introducing yourself and feel free to ask any questions you

might have.

Hugs, Kathy

>

> Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my saline

implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them done

was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my

life. I have not had severe health problems, but I have had enough

complications to want these terrible things out of my body. Recently

I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally found

the one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the

factor of the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I have

started what we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so

supportive throught this whole mess, I just wish I would have

listened to him in the first place - he didn't want me to have them

done. Too late for that now - I consider all of this a HUGE learning

experience. Anyways - just wanted to introduce myself.

>

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December 7, 2005

The doctor that I have spoken with said that I would not need the

procedure done en bloc, as the capsule is very soft. He said if the

implants look bad when they come out, he will then remove the

capsule. The procedure he is talking about is to make a small

incision under the crease of my breast (so that scarring is minimal)

and then rupturing the implant, flushing with antibiotics and then

removing the implant itself. When I asked him about drains he said

that they would not be needed. I want to be sure that I have this

done the right way as well. Every PS I have talked to has said the

same thing, it would not need to be done en bloc and drains would not

be required.

>

> Hi and welcome to our group. I am so glad that you figured out how

> harmful implants can be before you got really sick. And that is

> wonderful that your boyfriend is so supportive! It is amazing, but

> we have had a few women on this group lately who have said their

> boyfriend/husband never thought getting implants was a good idea

and

> in fact, didn't even like them! And that is certainly good to

> hear. I was wondering how you chose your ps. Is it someone that

> takes out implants " en bloc " making sure to remove the entire

> capsule? Does he/she use drains? It is important to make sure

they

> are taken out properly in order to make sure you have the best

> chance of recovering from any damage done by your implants. Thanks

> for introducing yourself and feel free to ask any questions you

> might have.

> Hugs, Kathy

>

> >

> > Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my saline

> implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them

done

> was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my

> life. I have not had severe health problems, but I have had enough

> complications to want these terrible things out of my body.

Recently

> I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally found

> the one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the

> factor of the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I have

> started what we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so

> supportive throught this whole mess, I just wish I would have

> listened to him in the first place - he didn't want me to have them

> done. Too late for that now - I consider all of this a HUGE

learning

> experience. Anyways - just wanted to introduce myself.

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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>

December 7, 2005

The surgeons that we recommend do en bloc, total capsulectomy and

use drains. The capsule can contain debri from the implant and can

contain imflammation and toxins. There are articles supporting that

the capsule should be removed. We have had women who did not get

better when only the implant was removed. And spilling the contents

of the implant is not the preferred method either. Many implants

are found to be contaminated and spilling the contents inside your

body is not a good idea. Drains help you heal faster and reduce the

potential for infection after the surgery. If you are going to have

the surgery, I strongly recommend you have someone do it the way

that will give you the strongest potential to get well. There is

usually no reason why they can't remove the entire capsule, do it en

bloc, and use drains. It is for their ease and convenience that

they don't--they are not putting your health first. But then, most

of these ps's don't believe that your implants are making you sick

in the first place. You certainly have the right to tell your

surgeon what you expect. After all, it is your body, not his. You

are the one who will live with the consequences. He works for you,

not the other way around. If your ps fights you on this, then I

would look for another. Even if he agrees reluctantly, he may not

follow through once the surgery is in process. We have had women

this has happened to. We try to maintain a list of doctors who are

convinced of the importance of total capsulectomy and and should

remove them properly. If you can't use one of them, I am hoping you

will find someone willing to take them out as described. Good luck!

Hugs, Kathy

> > >

> > > Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my

saline

> > implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them

> done

> > was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my

> > life. I have not had severe health problems, but I have had

enough

> > complications to want these terrible things out of my body.

> Recently

> > I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally

found

> > the one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the

> > factor of the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I

have

> > started what we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so

> > supportive throught this whole mess, I just wish I would have

> > listened to him in the first place - he didn't want me to have

them

> > done. Too late for that now - I consider all of this a HUGE

> learning

> > experience. Anyways - just wanted to introduce myself.

> > >

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> > >

> >

>

December 7, 2005

Yikes! Do not let this doctor remove your implants...that is my

suggestion.

The key clue for me is the " if the implants look bad when they come

out.... " part. That is the bellringer for having a poor explant.

It leaves the door open for this doctor to do anything that is in

his best interests, not yours.

When you sign up for explant and you know you want the best possible

chance for protection of your long term health, you have to make

sure that the doctor understands that you want everything out

regardless of what he finds. You don't necessarily have to have an

en bloc, but you do want to be firm on the total capsule removal

part. Capsules left inside your body are not going to be beneficial

to you in the long run. You only get one chance to do an explant,

so you'll want to make sure it is done right.

We've often referenced Dr. Pierre Blais's article on residual

capsules and their long term risk factors. Please take a look at

it, and this may make things a little clearer to you about the

necessity of requesting a total capsulectomy. It is in our files

section on explant info. Ask more questions if you need more

answers.

It's scary how many plastic surgeons take our health for granted.

You'd think they would be the ones to be careful about doing

everything right and making sure we are well taken care of as their

patients. But it seems that they only care about what is easiest

for them, and making alot of money in the process. Doing a proper

explant takes skill and time, and there are only a handful of

plastic surgeons out there who understand the true need for this

surgery to be done right. What you've heard from the plastic

surgeons you have seen is standard....and unfortunately, less than

acceptable for those of us who are battling for our health. The two

areas we do not like to be slack on are in the use of drains and in

having a total capsule removal.

The choice is yours on who does the explant. I just want to urge

you to be very, very careful in your selection of a doctor to make

sure they are doing what is in your best interests.

Take care,

Patty

--- In , " typesxxxy " <typesxxxy@y...>

wrote:

>

> The doctor that I have spoken with said that I would not need the

> procedure done en bloc, as the capsule is very soft. He said if

the

> implants look bad when they come out, he will then remove the

> capsule. The procedure he is talking about is to make a small

> incision under the crease of my breast (so that scarring is

minimal)

> and then rupturing the implant, flushing with antibiotics and then

> removing the implant itself. When I asked him about drains he said

> that they would not be needed. I want to be sure that I have this

> done the right way as well. Every PS I have talked to has said the

> same thing, it would not need to be done en bloc and drains would

not

> be required.

> >

December 7, 2005

I feel that I am a little confused. What is the difference between en bloc and having just the capsule removed? I'm sorry - this is all so new to me, I just want to be sure that I understand what the difference is so that I can have this done right.glory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: Yikes! Do not let this doctor remove your implants...that is my suggestion.The key clue for me is the "if the implants look bad when they come out...." part. That is the bellringer for having a poor explant. It leaves the door open for this doctor to do anything that is in his best interests, not yours.When you sign up for explant and you know you want the best possible chance for protection of your long term health, you have to make sure that the doctor understands that you want

everything out regardless of what he finds. You don't necessarily have to have an en bloc, but you do want to be firm on the total capsule removal part. Capsules left inside your body are not going to be beneficial to you in the long run. You only get one chance to do an explant, so you'll want to make sure it is done right.We've often referenced Dr. Pierre Blais's article on residual capsules and their long term risk factors. Please take a look at it, and this may make things a little clearer to you about the necessity of requesting a total capsulectomy. It is in our files section on explant info. Ask more questions if you need more answers.It's scary how many plastic surgeons take our health for granted. You'd think they would be the ones to be careful about doing everything right and making sure we are well taken care of as their patients. But it seems that they

only care about what is easiest for them, and making alot of money in the process. Doing a proper explant takes skill and time, and there are only a handful of plastic surgeons out there who understand the true need for this surgery to be done right. What you've heard from the plastic surgeons you have seen is standard....and unfortunately, less than acceptable for those of us who are battling for our health. The two areas we do not like to be slack on are in the use of drains and in having a total capsule removal.The choice is yours on who does the explant. I just want to urge you to be very, very careful in your selection of a doctor to make sure they are doing what is in your best interests.Take care,Patty>> The doctor that I have spoken with said that I would not need the > procedure

done en bloc, as the capsule is very soft. He said if the > implants look bad when they come out, he will then remove the > capsule. The procedure he is talking about is to make a small > incision under the crease of my breast (so that scarring is minimal) > and then rupturing the implant, flushing with antibiotics and then > removing the implant itself. When I asked him about drains he said > that they would not be needed. I want to be sure that I have this > done the right way as well. Every PS I have talked to has said the > same thing, it would not need to be done en bloc and drains would not > be required. > >> >

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December 7, 2005

,

En bloc means the surgeon will remove the capsule with

the implant still inside. . . . cutting around the

scar tissue capsule.

The idea is to prevent spilling anything contained by

the capsule into your chest cavity.

This is not always possible - that's where finding a

surgeon who you can trust is so terribly important. At

the very least, all the capsule should be removed.

It's a lot easier for a surgeon to slit open the

capsule and remove the implant. . . . leaving the

capsule behind. This may require another surgery at a

later date to remove the capsule IF the doctors make

the connection between continued health problems and

the capsule.

So often plastic surgeons tell women that removing

their implants will not improve their health. . . then

proceed to remove the implants wrong.

It's really sad . . . but there are only a very small

number of surgeons who can be counted on to do the job

right! Most plastic surgeons don't believe implants

cause health problems, so they see no necessity to

remove the implants right.

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

December 7, 2005

No problem....many are confused about the two.

An en bloc removal is when they do not take out the implant

separately from the scar tissue. It is taken out as one unit. Think

of the scar capsule as the outer candy shell of a peanut M & M, and

the peanut as the implant. En bloc removal means they would remove

it without breaking through that shell. This keeps any of the

harmful contents contained, in case it has ruptured. It is a

procedure most often used with silicone gel implants because of the

high risk of rupture.

A total capsulectomy is when the implant is removed and the scar

tissue is also taken out, but not necessarily in the same moment.

Doctors can drain the implant and take it out, but then they have to

go in and also scrape off all of the scar tissue that has built up

around the implant inside your body. Sometimes it comes out in

pieces, and sometimes they leave the back portion of the scar tissue

inside your body because they can't get to it easily or whatever.

Most doctors claim that this scar tissue is harmless, but there are

others who have shown that the scar tissue can actually harbor

bacterial colonies, or silicone particles, or other debris that may

not be totally harmless after all. I believe we have links regarding

studies and other research papers that discuss this on the webpage.

It is just best to get it all out and be done with the whole mess,

so that you can have the best opportunity to maintain or regain

health in the long term. You will never have to be concerned about

it again. As the saying goes, better safe than sorry.

There are many women who have had scar tissue left in their bodies.

As I said, most doctors are not careful about this aspect of

explant. Whether or not they are healing well, if they had immune

system issues is relatively unknown. There is very little in the

way of follow up in the medical community. I have known women who

remained ill long after their implants were taken out, and one of

the biggest issues is that they have scar tissue left. (It also

seems that reliance on toxic prescription drugs, especially the

corticosteroids, delays or prevents full healing.) I have also

heard that some women have claimed to be healing with the scar

tissue left in. We really have no concrete statistics.

It's a controversial matter, but one that seems to have a more

logical conclusion if you just get it all out and be done with it.

Hope that helps!

Patty

> >

> > The doctor that I have spoken with said that I would not need

the

> > procedure done en bloc, as the capsule is very soft. He said if

> the

> > implants look bad when they come out, he will then remove the

> > capsule. The procedure he is talking about is to make a small

> > incision under the crease of my breast (so that scarring is

> minimal)

> > and then rupturing the implant, flushing with antibiotics and

then

> > removing the implant itself. When I asked him about drains he

said

> > that they would not be needed. I want to be sure that I have

this

> > done the right way as well. Every PS I have talked to has said

the

> > same thing, it would not need to be done en bloc and drains

would

> not

> > be required.

> > >

>

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December 7, 2005

I see very clearly now the difference between the two, and I agree I will need to have the capsule removed at the least. I hate so much that I have put not only myself through this, but my poor bf. He has been so supportive, I just feel so selfish for wanting to have them put in so badly in the first place. I guess I need to realize that beating myself up for something that is in the past is not doing me any good - I need to focus on the future, and what I have to look forward to after they have been removed. glory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: No problem....many are confused about the two.An en bloc removal is when they do not take out the implant separately from the scar tissue. It is taken out as one unit. Think of the scar capsule as the outer candy shell of a peanut M & M, and the peanut as

the implant. En bloc removal means they would remove it without breaking through that shell. This keeps any of the harmful contents contained, in case it has ruptured. It is a procedure most often used with silicone gel implants because of the high risk of rupture.A total capsulectomy is when the implant is removed and the scar tissue is also taken out, but not necessarily in the same moment. Doctors can drain the implant and take it out, but then they have to go in and also scrape off all of the scar tissue that has built up around the implant inside your body. Sometimes it comes out in pieces, and sometimes they leave the back portion of the scar tissue inside your body because they can't get to it easily or whatever. Most doctors claim that this scar tissue is harmless, but there are others who have shown that the scar tissue can actually harbor bacterial colonies, or silicone particles, or other

debris that may not be totally harmless after all. I believe we have links regarding studies and other research papers that discuss this on the webpage.It is just best to get it all out and be done with the whole mess, so that you can have the best opportunity to maintain or regain health in the long term. You will never have to be concerned about it again. As the saying goes, better safe than sorry.There are many women who have had scar tissue left in their bodies. As I said, most doctors are not careful about this aspect of explant. Whether or not they are healing well, if they had immune system issues is relatively unknown. There is very little in the way of follow up in the medical community. I have known women who remained ill long after their implants were taken out, and one of the biggest issues is that they have scar tissue left. (It also seems that reliance on toxic prescription drugs,

especially the corticosteroids, delays or prevents full healing.) I have also heard that some women have claimed to be healing with the scar tissue left in. We really have no concrete statistics.It's a controversial matter, but one that seems to have a more logical conclusion if you just get it all out and be done with it.Hope that helps!Patty> >> > The doctor that I have spoken with said that I would not need the > > procedure done en bloc, as the capsule is very soft. He said if > the > > implants look bad when they come out, he will then remove the > > capsule. The procedure he is talking about is to make a small > > incision under the crease of my breast (so that scarring is > minimal)

> > and then rupturing the implant, flushing with antibiotics and then > > removing the implant itself. When I asked him about drains he said > > that they would not be needed. I want to be sure that I have this > > done the right way as well. Every PS I have talked to has said the > > same thing, it would not need to be done en bloc and drains would > not > > be required. > > >> > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for

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December 7, 2005

Yikes!!! I haven't read anyone else's responses yet, , but

these PS's just want to take the easy way out to maximize their

earnings. You don't want that junk drained out into your body, and

you don't want the capsule left behind.

Sis

> > >

> > > Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my

saline

> > implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them

> done

> > was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my

> > life. I have not had severe health problems, but I have had

enough

> > complications to want these terrible things out of my body.

> Recently

> > I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally

found

> > the one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the

> > factor of the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I

have

> > started what we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so

> > supportive throught this whole mess, I just wish I would have

> > listened to him in the first place - he didn't want me to have

them

> > done. Too late for that now - I consider all of this a HUGE

> learning

> > experience. Anyways - just wanted to introduce myself.

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December 7, 2005

.

Hi I just read your story. I had a hard time finding a doctor as

well. Every doctor I talked to told me I didn't need to worry about

how they were removed. I just got a surgery date for next week. The

doctor I went with still didn't want to do it the way I felt they

needed to be done. So I made another appointment to just talk to

him. I told him how I felt and also that I understood where he was

coming from but that if I was going to have the surgery I wanted it

done my way! It's my body and even if he doesn't think my sickness

has anything to do with my implants he can't be 100% sure either

way. So now we came to an understanding and he is going to remove

the implants and capsules. The only problem I had was that he also

wanted to cut the implant open and then remove it. Come to find out

he is going to use a sucking tube as he opens the implant, then

remove the capsule and put in drains for anything that is left. That

way my body drains completely but my scar will remain small. I'm

only 24yrs old and even though my husband is very understanding I

still worry about all the cutting. This is not the best way for

everyone but this is the best way for me! I have been sick from

these implants and no matter what any doctor says I know once I have

them removed I'll feel better. I'm not as sick as most of the other

woman but I want them removed before I get there. Don't let a doctor

do your surgery the way they want. When it comes down to it it's

your body and they are getting payed to do it the way you want! Good

luck and just be firm with what you feel is best for you...

Best Wishes,

> > >

> > > Hi Ladies! My name is - I am 22 and have had my

saline

> > implants for almost 3 years now. I can honestly say having them

> done

> > was one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made thus far in my

> > life. I have not had severe health problems, but I have had

enough

> > complications to want these terrible things out of my body.

> Recently

> > I have met with numerous plastic surgeons, and have finally

found

> > the one that I want to take these out of my body. Now it is the

> > factor of the financial burden. My long time boyfriend and I

have

> > started what we call the " Boobie Removal Fund " . He has been so

> > supportive throught this whole mess, I just wish I would have

> > listened to him in the first place - he didn't want me to have

them

> > done. Too late for that now - I consider all of this a HUGE

> learning

> > experience. Anyways - just wanted to introduce myself.

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Personals

> > > Let fate take it's course directly to your email.

> > > See who's waiting for you Personals

> > >

> >

>

December 8, 2005

This was meant for the whole group, not just group owner...Note: forwarded message attached.

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Hi , I hope that your explant surgery goes smoothly and you

feel tons better. I am actually thinking of getting a BA saline

implants, but after reading about some of the experiences,I am

affraid again. I have spoken with many women who are very happy with

their implants as well. I don't think my concerns over the

complications will ever diminish, but it seems as though almost

every woman has the pre-surgery jitters. I was wondering if you felt

the same before your surgery.

Also, do you want them out simply because they don't feel right or

are there complications?

Any other ladies out there who would like to share their

experiences, I would absolutely love to hear from you before I make

my decision- monday 12/12 about settingthe surgery date.

Thanks, I wish everyone luck and quick recoveries.

yenny