New member

[Guest guest]

Hello Darren

Welcome to the family - sorry it was under these circumstances. You have

been through a lot, but unfortunately that is the nature of this rotten

Stills, at least it appears that your medication is working for you and I

hope it continues to.

I live in the UK in Surrey, but I think if you do come to UK it depends what

area you are in as Hospitals and Rheumatologist operate in how far you live

from the hospital. I am talking about National Health patients. If you want

to go privately and pay for your treatment I think your doctor's surgery

would be able to advise you. Our system is a bit complicated but hope this

may help you a little.

Hope you continue to keep improving

All the best

Joan U.K.

[Guest guest]

Hi Darren:

I'm Ellen from south Florida, USA. I'm sorry you've had to search us

out but I'm glad you've found us. You have become a member of a

wonderful family.

You're story, though all your own, isn't all that unusual from anyone

elses. Mind you we've all had different experiences with this

illness and it doesn't lessen yours by any means but your story isn't

far off from others.

Please excuse me, I'm experiencing brain fog today.

Above you will see my email. With each post is the email of the

post's composer and you are more than welcome to personally email me

whenever you want. I'm sure that would go for anyone else on here as

well. There is also a weekly chat on Thursday evenings 6 p.m.

California time if you'd care to join in. It's very informal and

relaxed and quite often a great deal of fun.

I'm not going to keep you much longer. I just wanted to introduce

myself to you. Oh, I should also tell you I'm a Mom, a wife and have

been living with Still's for 13 years now. I also work part time.

So, yes, there's a life to be had even while you have AOSD.

Now, go rest, take a deep breath, blow it out and turn off your

computer when you're done with everything you wanted to do. We'll be

here when you get back to the computer.

Take care and be well.

Ellen

[Guest guest]

Ireland wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I found your group through Naturalperfumers.com

> & via Mandy Aftel's site. I've been quietly researching the

> history, mythology & methodology of natural perfumery for years, in

> between getting my MFA in poetry & working in advertising in New York.

> I've been collecting fragrances-- & notes--for years, but haven't

> had the knowledge, or the guts, to create my own fragrance. Unless,

> that is, you count standing at the bathroom counter, mixing drops on my

> wrist. And my poetry? Infused, always, with the entwined ideas of

> scent & memory.

>

Welcome to the group, , and thanks for introducing yourself. We

urge new members to do so in the message you receive when you're

approved, and only about 2% do so, so you're obviously dedicated and

inspired.

Have you discovered 's now-on-hiatus blog Memory and Desire?

http://memoryanddesire.typepad.com/blog/ Check out the Perfume in a Poem

project: http://memoryanddesire.typepad.com/blog/2008/03/perfumed-poem.html

> My dearest dream is go to to a perfume

> school--but I suppose I'd have to learn French first. For now, I'd

> love to join this group. I'm interested in research, discussion and

> theory. I would love to pore through your archives & participate

> in current discussions. Most of all, I am looking for guidance.

Well, the archives should keep you busy for a year or two - and they're

in English ;-) - so let us know any questions you have in the meantime.

--

Sincerely, Anya

Anya's Garden http://AnyasGarden.com - perfumes, aromatics, classes,

consultation

Natural Perfumers Guild + blog with daily updates

http://NaturalPerfumersGuild.blogspot.com

1600+ member Natural Perfumery group -

http://health./group//

[Guest guest]

Hi s,

Welcome to the group. You will find this a really great, friendly group. There

is a lot of help and advice from members no matter what level of skill you have.

Hope you will share some of your ideas and art too! Have fun!

[Guest guest]

Welcome !

Hope you have a better time here than I have had on the chemistry based

perfume group!

Making perfumes with essential oils is a very different beast.....you

need to spend a lot of time getting to know and understand your

materials....and I'd also suggest getting some more education on herbal

and aromatherapy use if you are serious about it! There are so many

companies out there getting on the " natural " and " aromatherapy "

bandwagon with no real understanding of the potency and effect of the

oils they are using in their products.....

Having said that, it's wonderful seeing someone from the industry

looking for natural solutions!

Ambrosia

http://www.perfumebynature.com.au

Mattox wrote:

> My name is Mattox. I earned a BS in Chemistry for the sole purpose of

developing a cosmetic line. I have started my business making custom products

for individuals and businesses. I have very little experience making fragrances

using essential oils, but I am determined to have a natural line of products.

My current clients would like their products to be scented and I want to ensure

that I offer the highest quality products. As a chemist, I'm accustomed

experimenting, but any help in directing my experiments would be great! I

certainly hope you approve my request to join. I plan to be a very active

member, contributing what I can to the group.

>

> Thanks for your consideration,

>

> Mattox

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome !

Hope you have a better time here than I have had on the chemistry based

perfume group!

Making perfumes with essential oils is a very different beast.....you

need to spend a lot of time getting to know and understand your

materials....and I'd also suggest getting some more education on herbal

and aromatherapy use if you are serious about it! There are so many

companies out there getting on the " natural " and " aromatherapy "

bandwagon with no real understanding of the potency and effect of the

oils they are using in their products.....

Having said that, it's wonderful seeing someone from the industry

looking for natural solutions!

Ambrosia

http://www.perfumebynature.com.au

Mattox wrote:

> My name is Mattox. I earned a BS in Chemistry for the sole purpose of

developing a cosmetic line. I have started my business making custom products

for individuals and businesses. I have very little experience making fragrances

using essential oils, but I am determined to have a natural line of products.

My current clients would like their products to be scented and I want to ensure

that I offer the highest quality products. As a chemist, I'm accustomed

experimenting, but any help in directing my experiments would be great! I

certainly hope you approve my request to join. I plan to be a very active

member, contributing what I can to the group.

>

> Thanks for your consideration,

>

> Mattox

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In message <gojor3+6prceGroups> you wrote:

>

> I confess I'm a little confused about some of the terminology ie

> what is the difference between a scoby and a mother

No, Margaret, these terms refer to the same thing.

IMO, the terms 'scoby' or Kombucha culture are better by far.

I do not like the human terms 'mother' and 'baby' used for Kombucha,

even though I love the culture .... ;-)

> is difference between kt and kombucha tea.

It's the same K ombucha T ea. :-)

>

> You all seem like such a nice bunch I hoped someone wouldn't mind

> sharing a piece of mother/scoby . I live in Michigan (brrr) but am

> willing to pay postage for the privilege of adopting our very own

> kombucha and nurturing it and us to health. A kind of symbiotic

> relationship (yummy too).

Hehe, I am glad you have avoided the anthropomorph terminology and

stuck to good Kombucha words :-)

BTW, speaking about terminology, another term that is misleading is

'mushroom', cause Kombucha ain't a mushroom, but a S ymbiotic

C ulture/colony O f B acteria and Y easts (S C O B Y)

So, dear Margaret, a warm probiotic greeting to you from across the

Big Pond, from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland ...

England, to be precise ;-)

Margret ...yes, I do not have the letter A twice; once will do ;-

P.S. If you are really stuck for a Kombucha culture, I'd be quite happy

to send you enough to start your own brew....address is just below :-)

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[Guest guest]

.

________________________________

From: Margaret <olmc9@...>

kombucha tea

Sent: Tuesday, 3 March, 2009 17:19:31

Subject: new member

Hi all,

I'm new to the group but have been reading the posts for a couple

months now trying to grow in knowledge and grow my own kt too.

I confess I'm a little confused about some of the terminology ie

what is the difference between a scoby and a mother and is there a

difference between kt and kombucha tea. I thought these referred to

the same thing but sometimes they seem to refer to different things.

Hmmm maybe it's just a regional difference in terms.

Anyway... just wanted to introduce myself and come out of hiding. I

have made(grown) kombucha before but that was a while back (before

internet) and I have tried to start a new brew using the GT tea you

can buy from the health food store - didn't work to well.

When I did this before I began with a piece of mother (scoby?) from

someone else. Worked great and was delicious for quite some time. I

regret now that I didn't keep it up.

You all seem like such a nice bunch I hoped someone wouldn't mind

sharing a piece of mother/scoby . I live in Michigan (brrr) but am

willing to pay postage for the privilege of adopting our very own

kombucha and nurturing it and us to health. A kind of symbiotic

relationship (yummy too).

Nice to meet all of you and looking forward to my own special " tea time " .

Cheers to ya,

Margaret

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[Guest guest]

Welcome Margaret (Not to be confused with our own Margret, or Terry Pratchett's

" Magrat " )

I confess I'm a little confused about some of the terminology ie what is the

difference between a scoby and a mother and is there a difference between kt

and kombucha tea. I thought these referred to the same thing but sometimes they

seem to refer to different things.

Hmmm maybe it's just a regional difference in terms.

SCOBY =

Symbiotic

Culture/Colony

Of

Bacteria ( & )

Yeast.

Mother = The SCOBY you put in at start of brewing

Baby - The new SCOBY which forms @ the surface irrespective of where mother

comes to rest.

Kombucha = The finished product. Many people seem to give it different " Pet "

names

" Kombucha tea " = " KT "

Variations on the theme seem to be " Booch " , " KT " , " Kombucha " , " The brew "

(As Yul Bryner said) etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

Anyway... just wanted to introduce myself and come out of hiding. I

have made(grown) kombucha before but that was a while back (before

internet) and I have tried to start a new brew using the GT tea you

can buy from the health food store - didn't work to well.

Some folk have done it, but, as you say we're a nice bunch (Tarantara - Own

trumpet) if you can get one it makes life a lot easier. I've grown one by making

about 1/2 strong, sweet, black tea, cool to room temp, mix 2:1 That tea:

Starter, cover with paper kitchen towel + rubber/elastic band, watch and ignore.

Mine took about 3 months to get 1/2 " thick, but one which drops to pieces when

you lift it will *actually* start you just as well

.(UK)

http://uk./group/ABALTAT/

________________________________

From: Margaret

Subject: new member

Hi all,

I'm new to the group but have been reading the posts for a couple

months now trying to grow in knowledge and grow my own kt too.

When I did this before I began with a piece of mother (scoby?) from

someone else. Worked great and was delicious for quite some time. I

regret now that I didn't keep it up.

You all seem like such a nice bunch I hoped someone wouldn't mind

sharing a piece of mother/scoby . I live in Michigan (brrr) but am

willing to pay postage for the privilege of adopting our very own

kombucha and nurturing it and us to health. A kind of symbiotic

relationship (yummy too).

Nice to meet all of you and looking forward to my own special " tea time " .

Cheers to ya,

Margaret

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi, I'm a new member who joined yesterday. I came to know about this group

through Anya's site - Anya's Garden. It piqued my curiosity so I popped over to

take a look, and joined shortly.

A little on my academic background and interests. I graduated from college,

specialising in Chemical Process Technology. It's anything to do with chemical

reactions, reaction mechanisms, synthesis and analysis - from petroleum,

inorganic & organic chemistry, fragrances, cosmetics, toiletries & personal care

products (soaps, shampoos, toothpaste etc) to pharmaceutical chemistry. I'm sort

of a general chemist.

My experience with EOs and perfumes came from what was taught in Fragrance

Chemistry module. Basic knowledge in chemical structures of odoriferous

molecules and components of the complex composition of oils. Had some fun

extracting oils from peels of pomelo and oranges via distillation. And made oil

of wintergreen from extracted oils of orange/pomelo. I once had a project on

extracting and isolating oil/active component(s) from lemongrass via

distillation for use as cockroach repellent, but the result was disappointing.

The fun and challenge of extracting fragrant oils which can provide therapeutic

benefits kept my interest going till now. I'm at the stage where I get ideas of

mixing and creating my own natural blends. I look forward to a day when I can

create my own blends for friends or myself for use either as perfumes or as

house fragrances.

I'm facing some challenges as I'm living in a city-country (Singapore), so

there's no way for me to grow my own plants. As for the distillation and

blending, any advise on how or what to do at home (especially on the set-up and

safety issues)? There's only a kitchen and my own study/sleeping room for me to

use. If circumstances do not allow, I may be looking at renting a laboratory

room which may require a substantial investment.

Much appreciation to all of the great fellows here to show me the ropes. I'm

very much a novice, starting from scratch.

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm facing some challenges as I'm living in a city-country (Singapore), so

there's no way for me to grow my own plants. As for the distillation and

blending, any advise on how or what to do at home (especially on the set-up and

safety issues)?

>

Dear Kelvin,

What an honor to have a chemist join the group! My grandfather was a chemist

and I am a distiller and natural perfume blender. I distill outdoors, but I

know there are many distillers using tabletop units on their stoves. I am in

the process of saving for a Biomega hotplate so that I can start distilling the

alcohol off my tinctures in a small glass distiller. I think that the main

safelty issue is using a mantle with the hotplate so you dont end up with glass

shards in your face. If you are distilling in a normal steam distillation unit,

at low pressures you should be fine, although things can get really messy.

Check out Trygve's blog - connected with the Manhattin-based Enfleurage shop.

She has hilarious accounts of distilling indoors. I would suggest continuing to

post request from other distillers for info on indoor work - sometimes the posts

don't get to the right people until you have tried a few times. I would looove

to hear any details you may provide about your own distillations, and I know the

rest of the group would too!

Kindly,

Jess Ring

Green Ring Botanicals

coming soon : www.greenringbotanicals.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the warm welcome Jess :-) I'm reading Trygve's blog too.

Yes, I am aware of such basic safety even in the college chemistry lab. Using a

hotplate, a mantle, wearing safety googles, keeping an eye on the distillation

at all times and keeping enough water for distillation.

I don't have any running water source (tap) in my room. It's only available in

the kitchen and the 2 bathrooms (1 in the kitchen, 1 in master bedroom). I

believe I'll be conducting most of the research in my study room using my study

table as a make-shift workbench.

One of the frustrating factors will be the amount of cool running water

required. You see, I get charged for the amount of water I use from the tap -

and it's metered. So, unless I'm able to foot the enormous bill at the end of

the month, I have to design and commission a working water recycling & cooling

unit, say, using 1 or 2 big pails' of water capacity. I also have a bath-tub for

babies. Wonder if it's too big for such distillation purpose. I pondering if

it's ever workable by using an electrical pump and a coolant (liquid nitrogen?).

Are there any engineers in this group who can offer some advise?

Another factor is that the water from the tap is not pure. It contains fluoride,

chlorine and some contaminants from the PVC pipe through where it's delivered. I

have to distill or purify the water first. Even then I can't be sure it's 100%

clean of fluoride and contaminants.

There are 5 purification methods in my mind:

1. Distillation

2. Using Office water-cooler grade filter

3. Using Ceramic and activated carbon filter

4. Using ion-exchange, zeolite and activated carbon filters

5. Using Reverse Osmosis and activated carbon filter

Which method will the be most effective, efficient and economical? I am aware

that RO system has the highest potential in yielding the purest grade of water

among the 5 but it may be costly and ineffective if the membrane is 'poisoned'

by fluoride and/or chlorine.

Any advise Jess? I believe you treat the water you use for distillation before

mixing with the flowers or absolutes.

Regards,

Kelvin

[Guest guest]

>

> I am new to the group and looking forward to sharing what I know, and

> of course to be enlightened. I have been working with both essential

> oils and fragrance oils (it's a good way to learn inexpensively..) and

> want to have a fragrance line in the future.

>

> I am excited to see that there is this group, as I have a been a

> member of the Cosmetic lab for some time, but they do not deal with

> fragrance.

>

>

>

>

> Beth

>

Hi Beth, welcome! I'm new to the group too. Like you, I want to have my own

fragrance, bodycare and skincare line in the future too.

I'm also intending to start working with essential oils and fragrance oils as

they are the cheaper and more accessible alternatives in where I live. I live in

a city-state, where it's 95% urbanised - only small pockets of farms, orchards

and nature reserves exist as a green initiative too keep nature alive for

recreational & educational purposes.

Looking forward to the exciting and fruitful sharing sessions to come.

Regards,

Kelvin

[Guest guest]

>< One of the frustrating factors will be the amount of cool running water

required.... I have to design and commission a working water recycling & cooling

unit, say, using 1 or 2 big pails' of water capacity.<<

For our lab distillations, we use a 5 gallon bucket setup, with an outdoor

fountain pump to pump the water through the condensers. Here's an example of the

kind of pump we use:

http://tinyurl.com/asz23l

These pumps are usually not too expensive, just be sure you get one that can

pump at least 6 feet high, even though your setup won't be that tall, you need

that much pressure to keep the flow going well. Fountain pumps usually last

about a year for us, running nearly all the time.

For most essential oil distillations, you won't need a more serious coolant than

water, kept cool by rotating in 1 liter soda bottles filled with water & frozen.

Hope this helps-

leavesofjoy / Micah

www.al-kemi.com

[Guest guest]

> For our lab distillations, we use a 5 gallon bucket setup, with an

outdoor fountain pump to pump the water through the condensers. Here's

an example of the kind of pump we use:

> http://tinyurl.com/asz23l

Thanks for pointing me in the direction of fountain pumps. I missed

that. I was thinking of pumps meant for fish tanks, but I had doubts as

I don't think it can generate enough pressure and flow rate to pump

water from ground to a height of 1.5 metres (5 feet). On the other hand,

I hesitate to consider more powerful pumps as there's a possibility of

cracking the condenser from excessive pressure.

Are there pumps which are able to control and vary flow rate?

What will be the recommended range of flow rate to pass through the

condenser? From what you recommended, the pump flow rate is around

80gph.

I shall ask around for different types of pumps available in my

neighborhood and see if there's a good match.

Keep the suggestions coming in.

[Guest guest]

> I hesitate to consider more powerful pumps as there's a possibility of

> cracking the condenser from excessive pressure.

>

> Are there pumps which are able to control and vary flow rate?

> What will be the recommended range of flow rate to pass through the

> condenser?<<

Kelvin,

We've broken condensers from clumsiness, haven't found a cure for that, but the

condenser water flow has never cracked one. As long as all the hoses going in &

out are clear and the flow is unobstructed, you should be fine.

There are pumps with adjustable flow, we've gotten one or two in the past, but

it always ends up that we just crank it up to max. As for a quantifiable flow

rate of GPH, that would be just too easy! I guess we never thought about that,

we just looked at the boxes to be sure they could power a 6 foot fountain.

Have fun! I love distillation!

leavesofjoy / Micah

www.al-kemi.com

[Guest guest]

--- In , " leavesofjoy "

> Kelvin,

> We've broken condensers from clumsiness, haven't found a cure for that, but

the condenser water flow has never cracked one. As long as all the hoses going

in & out are clear and the flow is unobstructed, you should be fine.

>

> There are pumps with adjustable flow, we've gotten one or two in the past, but

it always ends up that we just crank it up to max. As for a quantifiable flow

rate of GPH, that would be just too easy! I guess we never thought about that,

we just looked at the boxes to be sure they could power a 6 foot fountain.

>

> Have fun! I love distillation!

> leavesofjoy / Micah

> www.al-kemi.com

>

Micah,

Thanks for the tips. I'm sure I'll be having fun with distillation.

Kelvin

[Guest guest]

Tara,

what is your email. we can talk off list.

Ro

New Member

Mix County Wagner, South DakotaHello I am Tara Kaup from South Dakota, a state that is rich in true old natural healing knowledge but the harshest punishment for most things natural and good for you.Grew up on cow-calf operation in Nebraska, my husband cow-calf and dairy cattle also Nebraska. So we are hard working not not dumb to animal husbandry and the time involved. We have purchased our own place and would really like to sell goats milk & cheese...I am getting discouraged, not helped, by our state inspector and head of the dairy department.I would like KNOWLEDGE so I can honestly judge for myself if it would be worth starting the dairy part of the farm for others. The government sure can scare ya, sue sue sue, jeez!!!SincerelyTara

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If you go through the dept of Ag they will DISCOURAGE you not to do this, they will take the FDA stance on Raw milk. (It's like playing Russian Roulette etc) PLUS you have to have a bottling facility that is up to code, etc. Raw milk sales are LEGAL in SD. go to www.realmilk.com/happening.html#sd to find out more. This is WHY people do it "under the table"

yes, we have dairy cows and, yes, we drink our own milk. It's delicious!

ro

Re: New Member

I do believe it was Mr Skaggs from Parkston. I was just sent paperwork about being grade A goat dairy. Now I was hoping to sell raw milk...now I know someone in NE that does cash under the table for seriously raw milk for baby consumption. I don't want to do the under the table part.Thanks for welcoming me!!! Glad to see you are close.Do you have a dairy?Tara

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If you go through the dept of Ag they will DISCOURAGE you not to do this, they will take the FDA stance on Raw milk. (It's like playing Russian Roulette etc) PLUS you have to have a bottling facility that is up to code, etc. Raw milk sales are LEGAL in SD. go to www.realmilk.com/happening.html#sd to find out more. This is WHY people do it "under the table"

yes, we have dairy cows and, yes, we drink our own milk. It's delicious!

ro

Re: New Member

I do believe it was Mr Skaggs from Parkston. I was just sent paperwork about being grade A goat dairy. Now I was hoping to sell raw milk...now I know someone in NE that does cash under the table for seriously raw milk for baby consumption. I don't want to do the under the table part.Thanks for welcoming me!!! Glad to see you are close.Do you have a dairy?Tara

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If you go through the dept of Ag they will DISCOURAGE you not to do this, they will take the FDA stance on Raw milk. (It's like playing Russian Roulette etc) PLUS you have to have a bottling facility that is up to code, etc. Raw milk sales are LEGAL in SD. go to www.realmilk.com/happening.html#sd to find out more. This is WHY people do it "under the table"

yes, we have dairy cows and, yes, we drink our own milk. It's delicious!

ro

Re: New Member

I do believe it was Mr Skaggs from Parkston. I was just sent paperwork about being grade A goat dairy. Now I was hoping to sell raw milk...now I know someone in NE that does cash under the table for seriously raw milk for baby consumption. I don't want to do the under the table part.Thanks for welcoming me!!! Glad to see you are close.Do you have a dairy?Tara

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[Guest guest]

Hi everyone. I forgot to introduce myself also.

My name is Apollonia & I am originally from Europe but I

have been living in Japan for 9yrs. I only just found out about Natural

Perfumery until a few months ago whilst searching through the web and i came

across Mandy Aftels webpage and that brought me here.

I am so happy to have eventually found something that I truly have a passion for

and to incorporate that in my natural beauty business is just a dream come true.

I thank you for all your information & experiences and I look forward to hearing

more about your ideas, recipes and experiences.

Thank you all!

---------------

[Guest guest]

>

> My name is and I am nearing my 40's (ack) and have been drawn to

> natural products for many years.

>

> (in Australia)

Hi ,

Welcome to the group! You can find a wealth of info on blending in the

archives. White Lotus Aromatics has a great info page where you can find info

on specific absolutes and oils. Mandy Aftels book Essence and Alchemy is also a

nice place to start and it is cheap. Do you make salves with plants in

Australia? I know very little about Australian plants and it would be great to

hear if you do.

I have a book of wild looking flowers from Western Australia - I have to assume

that some of them smell good and want to be turned into perfume! Hope your

blending goes well!!

Jess Ring

Green Ring Botanicals

USA Oregon

coming soon www.greenringbotanicals.com

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi everyone. I forgot to introduce myself also.

> My name is Apollonia & I am originally from Europe but I

> have been living in Japan for 9yrs. I only just found out about Natural

Perfumery until a few months ago whilst searching through the web and i came

across Mandy Aftels webpage and that brought me here.

> I am so happy to have eventually found something that I truly have a passion

for and to incorporate that in my natural beauty business is just a dream come

true. I thank you for all your information & experiences and I look forward to

hearing more about your ideas, recipes and experiences.

>

> Thank you all!

>

> ---------------

Hi Apollonia,

Welcome to the group! I share your passion for natural perfume and feel the

same excitement over being able to include it in my business. This group has

provided me with more info than any other place, and I think you will have the

same experience. Please share your ideas, questions, and tips with us as I know

we are all interested in your experiences. What are your favorite smells?

Kindly,

Jess Ring

USA - Oregon

Green Ring Botanicals

coming soon www.greenringbotanicals.com

>

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From: stewart2177979 <stewart2177979@...>Subject: New Member Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 11:26 PM

Hello to all. My name is and I am a 43yr old white male from Lincoln, Nebraska. I am legally blind and I have spastic Cerebral Palsy. I am a Christian and am involved in prison ministry.

HI GREGORY MY NAME IS ANNA I'M 51 I HAVE SPASTIC CEREBRAL PALSY ALSO THIS A VERY GOOD GROUP I HAVE BEEN SICK THE FLU FOR A WEEK YUCK I'M VERY TIRED I JUST WANTED TO SAY HI AND WELCOME TO THE GROUPGOD BLESS ANNA amnunno