New member

[Guest guest]

Thanks, everyone, for the warm welcome!

Donna, you're right, one of the challenges in summertime is breaking the routine for vacations. Even with the best intentions, it's hard to get a good aerobic workout (or weight training, especially) when I am away from home. I packed 35-lb dumbbells in my Ford Explorer on my last trip but never used them. (I was embarrassed to pull them out at a rest stop or someplace else and have people see me lifting weights. Go figure. It's better than being embarrassed for being out of shape!)

, I love that Yoga Zone workout too. In fact, so far, it's my favorite. I love the flexibility I gain from twisting. I have some other yoga DVDs to try, but I don't care so much for the meditative parts. Yet weird positions are no problem because I can see the benefit in stretching the body in different ways. Sorry if I offend any devout yoga followers. To be honest, I haven't studied the philosophies (wrong word?) much; I just use it for exercise. Voight's Abdominals & Back Pilates gives me a similar

workout to the Yoga for a Strong and Healthy Back, with the addition of lots of ab work. It's much longer though (and much harder).

, the Step Reebok Video is not terribly complex but not boring either. I think I know what you're talking about when you say you want something simple. Some of those step aerobic videos are next to impossible to memorize and stay with the instructor. To me this one has kind of a mean, or tough, presentation, which I didn't like at first. It is staged on a metal chain-link-looking floor and the people, dressed in black and grey, don't smile, almost like they are from a city gang (although they do actually look like nice people). However, I have found it to be a very professionally choreographed workout and it is one of my favorites. It can be tough but if you use the lowest step possible and don't use your arms, for starters, it might be a good one for you.

I did yoga and Jane Fonda's Step Aerobic Workout today (excluding the abdominal section). I have discovered that if I don't use my arms during the intense sections, I can raise my step to a higher level for a greater leg workout. So, I may do the arm exercises during the warm-up and cool-down but just do the legs during the harder parts. I am training for some really challenging hikes and want to build my leg strength, fast!

~Cheryl

[Guest guest]

Mountainlady wrote:

>So, I did Yoga Zone Yoga for a Strong and Healthy Back a

> little earlier this evening, and then after reading your posts I knew I

> could keep going and I did Step Reebok The Video.

hi cheryl!!! way to go! i am so happy to hear that you got

motivated by this group of great people. welcome to the group, we

are glad to have you here with us. i hope that you will post

often. oh, and ya gotta love gin miller's talking tv head in 'the

video'...lol... i played that vhs to death!

:*carolyn.

[Guest guest]

Hey Carolyn, thanks for the warm welcome. You are such a nice group of ladies (I don't think I've seen any men post yet, except for that picture on the homepage I doubt if I'll be posting often, I just don't have time. But when I do post, it'll probably be fairly long. I hope everyone saw my replies to several of you in my last post. I answered about the Reebok video, etc. I'm feeling really tired after my last two days of getting back to the aerobics, unusually tired for starting up when it hasn't been more than a week or so since I did almost a two week sprint of aerobics. I always think of potassium when I get tired like this. Unfortunately, I don't have any bananas right now (high in potassium). I'm not sure what else it could be. Do you guys (gals) talk much about nutrition?

I'm working on some weight training this morning because yoga and aerobics just don't strengthen the back and I'm starting to feel more ache since I haven't lifted for a couple of months. I'm doing circuits of: bench press, squats, overheads, something I call "hammer," rows, and lunges, using dumbbells. I've only done 3 circuits and I'm tired, but I'll get back to it and do more.

Again, I'm glad you guys are there to motivate me.

Thanks so much!

Cheryl (in CA)

[Guest guest]

I have felt like this. My son is 9...he will turn 10 in February...and he was diagnosed about 2 years ago. He is such a smart kid! It blows my mind sometimes and he is capable of "hiding it" (as your doc called it) around certain people. My grandma just has a hard time believing there is anything off with him... acts like a boy to her! But he does have the condition. And it is very real and very much a part of our life and the way we interact with/deal with our son.

-----Original Message-----From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of J AthaSent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:16 PMAutism and Aspergers Treatment Subject: NEW MEMBER

Hi,

I'm from England and I'm new to the group. I have a seven year old son who was diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome and ADHD earlier this year so I'm really just beginning to learn what it's all about. I'm finding it difficult believing he has autism because, apart from his behaviour which is very "challenging", there are practically no signs of anything different to any other child. The professionals say he's very good at hiding it.

I feel a fraud. Does anyone else feel like this? Or did you when you were first given the diagnosis for your child?

My apologies to anyone who has a child who is obviously profoundly affected by his or her condition.

Jeannie

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well i have had thoughts like that cuz some days they seem like NT kids .but I dont feel like that now.people think of autism as the movie long ago of the kid who sat on the floor spinning around and around .who never talked and never looked at anyone and wouldnt even go to his mom or dad.that is what they think they should see .they dont see the higher functioning end of it .they dont know that autism comes in degrees and that they arnt all like the kid in that movie and they arnt all rainman.it does drive me crazy when people ask what is his thing he excels in and is really smart at like they actually think my kid can count cards or recite all kinds of facts he picked up from books/movies. that isnt my son .They just do not understand.and unless you have time to sit down with them

and your kids they will never understand.but as to showing signs of it symptoms come at any time they may not have the symptom now but develop it later.plus you do not habve to show every symptom to be considered autistic.just remember your not a fraud ,your child has been dx by a dr. and you do not owe anyone explaination as to the why he dont do the symptoms they think an autistic child should.a lot of times people see my kids they look "normal" until they talk or show the behaviors.i do get looks like i am just letting my kid misbehave or i aitn a good parent for not controlling my kids but hey i know what is up with my kids.i dont take offense to what you asked and i dont think anyone else would Vickie WwW.SparkleTags.Com----- Original Message ----From: J Atha <j.atha@...>Autism and Aspergers Treatment Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:16:03 PMSubject: NEW MEMBER

Hi,

I'm from England and I'm new to the group. I have a seven year old son who was diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome and ADHD earlier this year so I'm really just beginning to learn what it's all about. I'm finding it difficult believing he has autism because, apart from his behaviour which is very "challenging" , there are practically no signs of anything different to any other child. The professionals say he's very good at hiding it.

I feel a fraud. Does anyone else feel like this? Or did you when you were first given the diagnosis for your child?

My apologies to anyone who has a child who is obviously profoundly affected by his or her condition.

Jeannie

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicki,

Something I started doing was I had ordered these little Autism cards from Autism society. They give a quick look (explanation) of Autism. Well whenever I get those glares, looks or comments from people I do not know, I had them one of those cards and say, "Until you walk in my shoes, you have no idea". then I walk away. The looks on their faces is PRICELESS!

Good luck!

Sonja

NEW MEMBER

Hi,

I'm from England and I'm new to the group. I have a seven year old son who was diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome and ADHD earlier this year so I'm really just beginning to learn what it's all about. I'm finding it difficult believing he has autism because, apart from his behaviour which is very "challenging" , there are practically no signs of anything different to any other child. The professionals say he's very good at hiding it.

I feel a fraud. Does anyone else feel like this? Or did you when you were first given the diagnosis for your child?

My apologies to anyone who has a child who is obviously profoundly affected by his or her condition.

Jeannie

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicki,

Something I started doing was I had ordered these little Autism cards from Autism society. They give a quick look (explanation) of Autism. Well whenever I get those glares, looks or comments from people I do not know, I had them one of those cards and say, "Until you walk in my shoes, you have no idea". then I walk away. The looks on their faces is PRICELESS!

Good luck!

Sonja

NEW MEMBER

Hi,

I'm from England and I'm new to the group. I have a seven year old son who was diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome and ADHD earlier this year so I'm really just beginning to learn what it's all about. I'm finding it difficult believing he has autism because, apart from his behaviour which is very "challenging" , there are practically no signs of anything different to any other child. The professionals say he's very good at hiding it.

I feel a fraud. Does anyone else feel like this? Or did you when you were first given the diagnosis for your child?

My apologies to anyone who has a child who is obviously profoundly affected by his or her condition.

Jeannie

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeannie, I am also new(ish) to the group. My son is almost 8 and was recently diagnosed with both ADHD and Asperger's. While the ADHD dx was no surprise, and while I sought diagnosis because I felt there was "something else going on" but I couldn't put my finger on what, the Asperger's dx was quite a surprise. As I have read more, I do see some Asperger-type tendencies, but I am still not sure it is enough to warrant a diagnosis. I too feel like we are pretenders to claim it, as if it somehow insults others who are more affected, and what they are going through.Anyway, I mostly lurk, and try to learn from the experience of others. I take ideas and advice and research topics which seem likely to help my son, and leave what doesn't seem to apply to us.As I see it, diagnosis is an arbitrary set of criteria, designed by fallible human beings who've never met my kid. Regardless of whether he "qualifies" for a dx, he has some extra challenges in life,

and as his mom I want to help him as best I can. So I lurk and learn.Best of Luck!BethJ Atha <j.atha@...> wrote: Hi, I'm from England and I'm new to the group. I have a seven year old son who was diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome and ADHD earlier this year so I'm really just beginning to learn what it's all about. I'm finding it difficult believing he has autism because, apart from his behaviour which is very "challenging", there are

practically no signs of anything different to any other child. The professionals say he's very good at hiding it. I feel a fraud. Does anyone else feel like this? Or did you when you were first given the diagnosis for your child? My apologies to anyone who has a child who is obviously profoundly affected by his or her condition. Jeannie __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Oh my favorites are: BUT HE LOOKS NORMAL and OH, HE'LL GROW OUT OF IT (it being autism).

I just want to roll up a newspaper and smack them with it all while saying, "DUH"

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[Guest guest]

I constantly feel like this. I have a 9 year old boy that was

diagnosed with Asperger's when he was 5. Everyone who meets him

that is aware of his diagnosis always says " he seems so normal " and

I tell them that his psychologist says he is good at " hiding it " but

that they are more than welcome to spend a day with him and see

how " normal " that day turns out to be.

>

> I have felt like this. My son is 9...he will turn 10 in

> February...and he was diagnosed about 2 years ago. He is such a

smart

> kid! It blows my mind sometimes and he is capable of " hiding it "

(as

> your doc called it) around certain people. My grandma just has a

hard

> time believing there is anything off with him... acts like a

boy

> to her! But he does have the condition. And it is very real and

very

> much a part of our life and the way we interact with/deal with our

son.

>

>

> NEW MEMBER

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi,

> I'm from England and I'm new to the group. I have a seven year old

son

> who was diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome and ADHD earlier this

year so

> I'm really just beginning to learn what it's all about. I'm

finding it

> difficult believing he has autism because, apart from his behaviour

> which is very " challenging " -, there are practically no signs of

anything

> different to any other child. The professionals say he's very

good at

> hiding it.

> I feel a fraud. Does anyone else feel like this? Or did you when

you

> were first given the diagnosis for your child?

> My apologies to anyone who has a child who is obviously profoundly

> affected by his or her condition.

> Jeannie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Welcome! I'm Annie, in Albuquerque New Mexico. Our 27 year old son is

also Asperger's Syndrome as well as being an high functioning autistic

person. Oh, and has prosopagnosia (face blindness; we all look alike to

him) and hyperlexia (self-taught reader at 3 and reads very well still)

into the bargain. He also has a wonderful personality, when he shows it,

a truly warped sense of humor, a job, and two volunteer things he does

(fills bird stations at a local wildlife park and visits an elderly lady

at a local nursing home).

You wouldn't know he was an autistic man to look at him, but it becomes

apparent when he opens his mouth.

You are not a fraud, your son is just very high-functioning! And that's

a good thing! Remember, AS and autism are a spectrum, so you will find

varying degrees of functionality in those who are on the spectrum.

While our son speaks fairly well now, although his pronunciation is not

good, he lost his speech at 2.5 and didn't regain it till he was almost

6. And now he communicates well enough to have kept a job for almost

three years (part-time, but better than sitting in his room all day)!

I'm sure your son will thrive and succeed as he grows older as well,

particularly considering that he is starting from a highly functioning

place now. You will learn more about the way autism evinces itself,

which differs from individual to individual, as you become better

educated on the subject.

This is a good place to find answers.

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

--

“I don’t have the discipline to be a hippie.” -- Homer Simpson

[Guest guest]

Diagnosing AS vs autism is a matter of a careful assessment of

history and symptoms (as well as a careful analysis of test

materials). (The difference is a technicality that doesn't matter to

the layman - it has to do with linguistic development and the such.)

You didn't say what was the precedent (for receiving services)

(perhaps a referral from the school), and you didn't specify the type

of practitioner.

It could be that you are right. There are many look-alikes, and many

practitioners don't know the difference. There is also a tendency

for clinicians to get stuck on a certain type of diagnosis - fads in

diagnosing have always been common (think schizophrenia in the US in

the 1970's).

You may obtain a second opinion while rolling around the ideas of

your current clinicians ... (and the respondents to your posting).

One thing to keep in mind is that it is not necessary to have a

comorbidity of ADHD with AS/Autism/PDD. Many times some of the

symptoms of ADHD will show up in AS/spectrum disorders, but the ADHD

is not diagnosable.

Another thing to keep in mind: Diagnosis in and of itself is

artificial. It is a labeling - a listing of symptoms and a look at

history and comorbidity, etc., in order to understand it better. It

doesn't mean much per se, but it does help in treatment and

understanding, especially if it is done with care (and a level of

artfulness).

One thing to consider: if there are symptoms, the quicker they are

eliminated, the more natural the new (preferred) behaviors will be

for your child. It sounds like there are enough behavioral issues

for you to get started, no matter what the situation/diagnosis.

Good luck. I hope you find a suitable clinician.

(I have one of my own as well, now 13-yo High Fx Autism, now PDD-NOS

(by step-by-step reduction of sx, no 'magic.')

>

> Hi,

> I'm from England and I'm new to the group. I have a seven year old

son who was diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome and ADHD earlier this

year so I'm really just beginning to learn what it's all about. I'm

finding it difficult believing he has autism because, apart from his

behaviour which is very " challenging " , there are practically no signs

of anything different to any other child. The professionals say he's

very good at hiding it.

> I feel a fraud. Does anyone else feel like this? Or did you when

you were first given the diagnosis for your child?

> My apologies to anyone who has a child who is obviously profoundly

affected by his or her condition.

> Jeannie

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for all your comments! They are really helpful and encouraging.

My son's diagnosis was initially given by a clinical psychologist and then by a specialist team from the local mental health unit. They say they are convinced that he is autistic, so I guess he must be. Some of the things they, and his school, say he does I have never seen, so it's not just the diagnosis I have to come to terms with, but also many symptoms that I just don't recognise. Sometimes it seems like they are talking about a totally different child.

Jeannie

[Guest guest]

Yes, I hate that "he'll grow out of it" Actually, our school librarian just told me the other day "isn't it great how has out grown his aspergers!" Yeah, whatever lady! Thankfully she doesn't ever teach my son! Thankfully the teachers who do teach him, understand he's not going to grow out of it.

Some people just don't get it!

And yes, a good smack with a newspaper may be just what they need! lol

Estevan, SK

Canada

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Oh my favorites are: BUT HE LOOKS NORMAL and OH, HE'LL GROW OUT OF IT (it being autism).

I just want to roll up a newspaper and smack them with it all while saying, "DUH"

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[Guest guest]

I cut and pasted the link, but it did not work.

Peace,

Pattie

" Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we

fail. " ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Guest guest]

I will keep Jack in my prayers. I have two boys with Shwachman-Diamond

Syndrome. If you'd like to *meet* us, you can visit our family website

www.shwachman.50megs.com <http://www.shwachman.50megs.com/> I will look at

Jacks page in a minute.

Peace be with you,

Pattie

The Will of God will never take you where the Grace of God won't be with

you.

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Welcome! I have 4 children one with an immune deficiency along with

autoimmune problems and a variant form of CF. The rest of my children

are healthy in a sense with no immune problems that are known. And, I

am in the process of being worked up for CVID too. My son is 3 years

old now and was diagnosed at 15mts and started IVIG for a year then

switched to weekly SQIG for 7mts then switched back to IVIG. We are

still struggling with his diagnosis or atleast what his prognosis is.

I wanted to welcome and let you know you will have lots of people

here that are knowledgable in all areas! Best of luck!

Proud Mom of 4:

3yr old : PID~combine immune deficiency and etc.....

9yr old Hannah: asthma, allergies, urinary reflux, T & A

7yr old Noah: asthma, ADD

5yr old : allergies, chronic sinusitis, one enlarge tonsil

www.caringbridge.org/visit/matthewmichael

>

> Hi all,

> My son Jack is 3 years old and was diagnosed with

> Common Variable Immune Deficiency when he was 19

> months old. Unfortunately he contracted a viral brain

> infection before his diagnosis so we are currently

> fighting that although the doctors have given us a

> poor prognosis. Jack has a medication port that leads

> to the ventricles in his brain where he recieves

> weekly high dose Immunglobulin and also IVIG every

> other week that is high dose. They have told us that

> his doses are too high for subcutaneous immunglobulin

> so we are at the doctors office each week for now.

> This viral process has lead to a degenerative

> neurological condition at the present time. It has

> been incredibly difficult and I was excited to join a

> group discussion with other mom's or family of PID

> patients. Nice to meet all of you. If you would like

> to check out Jack's story his website is:

> www.caringbridge.org/visit/jack1.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

---HI , and welcome. I just typed our family history in an email

to , so I wont do it over again. This is a great group!

valarie

mom to three with CVID

In , gillespie <julieg52@...> wrote:

>

> Hi all,

> My son Jack is 3 years old and was diagnosed with

> Common Variable Immune Deficiency when he was 19

> months old. Unfortunately he contracted a viral brain

> infection before his diagnosis so we are currently

> fighting that although the doctors have given us a

> poor prognosis. Jack has a medication port that leads

> to the ventricles in his brain where he recieves

> weekly high dose Immunglobulin and also IVIG every

> other week that is high dose. They have told us that

> his doses are too high for subcutaneous immunglobulin

> so we are at the doctors office each week for now.

> This viral process has lead to a degenerative

> neurological condition at the present time. It has

> been incredibly difficult and I was excited to join a

> group discussion with other mom's or family of PID

> patients. Nice to meet all of you. If you would like

> to check out Jack's story his website is:

> www.caringbridge.org/visit/jack1.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Philip sad you were looking for us but glad you found us . I got a feeling i and

many here know how ya feel. I was only 7 years older then you when I was DX I

can say for my self it was the worse when it started but is easier now days so

hang in there and once they get things going and you get into a pattern I hope

life will be again good for you again welcome and hope for a pain free days

ahead . PS the neck swelling are you sure you were not in the rut? a little

humor

 

the  redneck

Marty 

The whole of that Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people

at large or considered as individuals...t establishes some rights of the

individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to

deprive them of.

         ---Albert Gallatin to , Oct 7, 1789

 

The great object is that every man be armed " and " everyone who is able may have

a gun. " ( Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the

Constitution.

 

   No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

         --- Jefferson:  1776

 

  " Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition

of private firearms is the goal. " Janet Reno

"

as United Statesattorney general in the Clintonwhite house (now do we really

want Hillary there to?)

 

so what is the truth?  what the founding fathers ment, or what people today try

to twist it to ?

Give up one right and the others will soon fallow

Stills ; An illness I know to well!

To learn about Stills  http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info

 

[Guest guest]

Philip sad you were looking for us but glad you found us . I got a feeling i and

many here know how ya feel. I was only 7 years older then you when I was DX I

can say for my self it was the worse when it started but is easier now days so

hang in there and once they get things going and you get into a pattern I hope

life will be again good for you again welcome and hope for a pain free days

ahead . PS the neck swelling are you sure you were not in the rut? a little

humor

 

the  redneck

Marty 

The whole of that Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people

at large or considered as individuals...t establishes some rights of the

individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to

deprive them of.

         ---Albert Gallatin to , Oct 7, 1789

 

The great object is that every man be armed " and " everyone who is able may have

a gun. " ( Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the

Constitution.

 

   No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

         --- Jefferson:  1776

 

  " Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition

of private firearms is the goal. " Janet Reno

"

as United Statesattorney general in the Clintonwhite house (now do we really

want Hillary there to?)

 

so what is the truth?  what the founding fathers ment, or what people today try

to twist it to ?

Give up one right and the others will soon fallow

Stills ; An illness I know to well!

To learn about Stills  http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info

 

[Guest guest]

Marty, thank you for your sentiments. This is a new world for me as I probably

I can imagine it was for you too. I just have to learn how to manage this thing

and hope for the best.

Philip

ville, FL

Marty wrote:

Philip sad you were looking for us but glad you found us . I got a

feeling i and many here know how ya feel. I was only 7 years older then you when

I was DX I can say for my self it was the worse when it started but is easier

now days so hang in there and once they get things going and you get into a

pattern I hope life will be again good for you again welcome and hope for a pain

free days ahead . PS the neck swelling are you sure you were not in the rut? a

little humor

the redneck

Marty

The whole of that Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people

at large or considered as individuals...t establishes some rights of the

individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to

deprive them of.

---Albert Gallatin to , Oct 7, 1789

The great object is that every man be armed " and " everyone who is able may have

a gun. " ( Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the

Constitution.

No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

--- Jefferson: 1776

" Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition

of private firearms is the goal. " Janet Reno

"

as United Statesattorney general in the Clintonwhite house (now do we really

want Hillary there to?)

so what is the truth? what the founding fathers ment, or what people today try

to twist it to ?

Give up one right and the others will soon fallow

Stills ; An illness I know to well!

To learn about Stills http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info

[Guest guest]

Marty, thank you for your sentiments. This is a new world for me as I probably

I can imagine it was for you too. I just have to learn how to manage this thing

and hope for the best.

Philip

ville, FL

Marty wrote:

Philip sad you were looking for us but glad you found us . I got a

feeling i and many here know how ya feel. I was only 7 years older then you when

I was DX I can say for my self it was the worse when it started but is easier

now days so hang in there and once they get things going and you get into a

pattern I hope life will be again good for you again welcome and hope for a pain

free days ahead . PS the neck swelling are you sure you were not in the rut? a

little humor

the redneck

Marty

The whole of that Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people

at large or considered as individuals...t establishes some rights of the

individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to

deprive them of.

---Albert Gallatin to , Oct 7, 1789

The great object is that every man be armed " and " everyone who is able may have

a gun. " ( Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the

Constitution.

No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

--- Jefferson: 1776

" Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition

of private firearms is the goal. " Janet Reno

"

as United Statesattorney general in the Clintonwhite house (now do we really

want Hillary there to?)

so what is the truth? what the founding fathers ment, or what people today try

to twist it to ?

Give up one right and the others will soon fallow

Stills ; An illness I know to well!

To learn about Stills http://www.stillsdisease.org/stills_info

[Guest guest]

Hi Philip, welcome and I'm sorry. You'll read that a lot. You're in

a great place, supportive, loving, informative but not just about the

dragon, we're with one another through everything. We're a cyber

family in every sense of the word " family " .

Personally, I had to disappear for a little while not never wandered

too far away, always checking the site, keeping in touch with friends

by email, etc. When I came back, it was as though I never left, not a

day had gone by and I was home again. By the way, here, you can go

home again.

Now, don't be shy. Jump right in. No question is too silly, no

statement is too small, and every thought is welcomed. Go grab

yourself some water, sit down and join in.

Take care and be well.

Ellen

[Guest guest]

Hi Philip, welcome and I'm sorry. You'll read that a lot. You're in

a great place, supportive, loving, informative but not just about the

dragon, we're with one another through everything. We're a cyber

family in every sense of the word " family " .

Personally, I had to disappear for a little while not never wandered

too far away, always checking the site, keeping in touch with friends

by email, etc. When I came back, it was as though I never left, not a

day had gone by and I was home again. By the way, here, you can go

home again.

Now, don't be shy. Jump right in. No question is too silly, no

statement is too small, and every thought is welcomed. Go grab

yourself some water, sit down and join in.

Take care and be well.

Ellen

[Guest guest]

Welcome, . Like the others, sorry you're here and glad you

found us! This is a hard disease to understand but the members here

are great about sharing their stories, experiences, providing advice on

managing day-to-day life, etc.

Hope you find some peace soon,

Atlanta, GA