Re: Satanism

[Guest guest]

Re:

> I don't feel like going through all of these and pointing out the

> falsities in the contradictions. I'm too lazy.

Kate said:

" Your prerogative, Tom, and I won't press you or anyone else to do

so - despite my curiosity as to where you found falsities in (e.g.)

the Bible's four answers to " who killed Saul? "

Kate...the test is designed by ignorant people who have no knowledge

of the Bible and no ability to actually read and understand the

passages. Their interest is in torpedoing its honesty and all that

it stands for.

You are clearly able to come to the same conclusion if you simply

READ THE PASSAGES and LOOK AT WHAT THEY SAY.

I have fleshed everything out for you below.

/6/ Who killed Saul?

He committed suicide in 1st 31:4-5

An Amalekite killed him in 2nd 1:4-10

Philistines killed him in 2nd 21:12

God killed him in 1st Chronicles 10:14

1Sa 31:4 Saul groaned to his armor bearer, " Take your sword and

kill me before these pagan Philistines run me through and humiliate

me. " But his armor bearer was afraid and would not do it. So Saul

took his own sword and fell on it.

1Sa 31:5 When his armor bearer realized that Saul was dead, he

fell on his own sword and died beside the king.

<snip>

2Sa 1:4 " What happened? " demanded. " Tell me how the battle

went. " The man replied, " Our entire army fled. Many men are dead and

wounded on the battlefield, and Saul and his son have been

killed. "

2Sa 1:5 " How do you know that Saul and are dead? "

demanded.

2Sa 1:6 The young man answered, " I happened to be on Mount Gilboa.

I saw Saul there leaning on his spear with the enemy chariots

closing in on him.

2Sa 1:7 When he turned and saw me, he cried out for me to come to

him. `How can I help?' I asked him.

2Sa 1:8 And he said to me, `Who are you?' I replied, `I am an

Amalekite.'

2Sa 1:9 Then he begged me, `Come over here and put me out of my

misery, for I am in terrible pain and want to die.'

2Sa 1:10 " So I killed him, " the Amalekite told , " for I knew

he couldn't live. Then I took his crown and one of his bracelets so

I could bring them to you, my lord. "

1 31:4 gives what actually happened while 2 1:8-10

only gives what the Amalekite said happened.

Most probably, the Amalekite took the opportunity to benefit from

the King's death, gathered his crown and bracelet and then brought

them to . Unfortunately for the Amalekite, said in 2

1:13-16, " And said to the young man who told

him, " Where are you from? " And he answered, " I am the son of an

alien, an Amalekite. " 14Then said to him, " How is it you were

not afraid to stretch out your hand to destroy the Lord's anointed? "

15And called one of the young men and said, " Go, cut him

down. " So he struck him and he died. 16And said to him, " Your

blood is on your head, for your mouth has testified against you,

saying, `I have killed the Lord's anointed.' "

The Amalekite probably thought he'd benefit from bringing the King's

possessions to , but his plan backfired.

All it says in the following passage is that Saul died in a battle

with the Philistines, it doesn't say how.

2Sa 21:12 he went to the people of Jabesh-gilead and asked for the

bones of Saul and his son . (When Saul and had died

in a battle with the Philistines, it was the people of Jabesh-gilead

who had retrieved their bodies from the public square of the

Philistine city of Beth-shan.)

The final passage quoted in your test is explained when taken in

context:

1Ch 10:3 The fighting grew very fierce around Saul, and the

Philistine archers caught up with him and wounded him severely.

1Ch 10:4 Saul groaned to his armor bearer, " Take your sword and

run me through before these pagan Philistines come and humiliate

me. " But his armor bearer was afraid and would not do it. So Saul

took his own sword and fell on it.

1Ch 10:5 When his armor bearer realized that Saul was dead, he

fell on his own sword and died.

1Ch 10:6 So Saul and his three sons died there together, bringing

his dynasty to an end.

1Ch 10:7 When the Israelites in the Jezreel Valley saw that their

army had been routed and that Saul and his sons were dead, they

abandoned their towns and fled. So the Philistines moved in and

occupied their towns.

1Ch 10:8 The next day when the Philistines went out to strip the

dead, they found the bodies of Saul and his sons on Mount Gilboa.

1Ch 10:9 So they stripped off Saul's armor and cut off his head.

Then they proclaimed the news of Saul's death before their idols and

to the people throughout the land of Philistia.

1Ch 10:10 They placed his armor in the temple of their gods, and

they fastened his head to the wall in the temple of Dagon.

1Ch 10:11 But when the people of Jabesh-gilead heard what the

Philistines had done to Saul,

1Ch 10:12 their warriors went out and brought the bodies of Saul

and his three sons back to Jabesh. Then they buried their remains

beneath the oak tree at Jabesh, and they fasted for seven days.

1Ch 10:13 So Saul died because he was unfaithful to the Lord. He

failed to obey the Lord's command, and he even consulted a medium

1Ch 10:14 instead of asking the Lord for guidance. So the Lord

killed him and turned his kingdom over to son of .

The Lord killed Saul by putting himself in a position whereby he

felt he had no recouse but to fall on his sword.

He did this as punishment for Saul, ergo the Lord killed him.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

Context certainly does well explain a lot on that " ultimate Bible

quiz " - however, to me, it still does not seem like a good explanation

for at least a few of the questions (e.g., for the differing accounts

of how Judas died).

Thanks, anyway, for posting what you did post.

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