Re: Aspie characters in SciFi

[Guest guest]

Bean and Ender do seem like Aspies, but I'd have to read the books

again with that in mind since I read them before I even heard of

Aspergers. I wonder if Card himself is AS.

>

> I just finished re-reading " Ender's Shadow " by Orson Card...

> and the thread about genes and AS got me thinking...

>

> It occurs to me that one of the things that resonated in the

> " Enderverse " stories for me is the many of the character are likely

> Aspies.. The main character in the " Shadow " books is Bean, a

little

> kid that was genetically enhanced to kept getting smarter. He looks

> much younger than he is because as a side effect of the enhancement

> he grows very slowly. Well the point is Bean is likely to be Aspie

> in fact a large number of battle school kids including Ender and

his

> little band that while thinking they were playing a video game, win

a

> war against aliens many light years away.

>

> That got me thinking about the number of characters in SciFi or

> fiction in general that are likely to have been Aspies

>

> A few others that come to mind are Mr Spock and Vulcans from

> StarTrek, Data (STNG), " The Doctor " (STV), Victor enstein,

> Frodo, Gandalf, Aragorn (LOTR), Captain Nemo, The Time Traveller

> (Time Machine), many characters in Poe and Lovecraft

>

> Ender

>

[Guest guest]

Bean and Ender do seem like Aspies, but I'd have to read the books

again with that in mind since I read them before I even heard of

Aspergers. I wonder if Card himself is AS.

>

> I just finished re-reading " Ender's Shadow " by Orson Card...

> and the thread about genes and AS got me thinking...

>

> It occurs to me that one of the things that resonated in the

> " Enderverse " stories for me is the many of the character are likely

> Aspies.. The main character in the " Shadow " books is Bean, a

little

> kid that was genetically enhanced to kept getting smarter. He looks

> much younger than he is because as a side effect of the enhancement

> he grows very slowly. Well the point is Bean is likely to be Aspie

> in fact a large number of battle school kids including Ender and

his

> little band that while thinking they were playing a video game, win

a

> war against aliens many light years away.

>

> That got me thinking about the number of characters in SciFi or

> fiction in general that are likely to have been Aspies

>

> A few others that come to mind are Mr Spock and Vulcans from

> StarTrek, Data (STNG), " The Doctor " (STV), Victor enstein,

> Frodo, Gandalf, Aragorn (LOTR), Captain Nemo, The Time Traveller

> (Time Machine), many characters in Poe and Lovecraft

>

> Ender

>

[Guest guest]

I think we are treading on marshy ground here. Saying fictional aliens are AS is kind of pointless. The main objection here is that they are aliens. How any of them act may be completely normal for their race and so have nothing to do with the human quality of AS. Odo for example is a colony creature, so his whole being, physical and mental, is very different from our own. The Vulcans are actually more like NTs who have forced themselves to adopt logic because in times past they were close to killing themselves off with constant warfare.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/31/2006 3:38:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, csparania@... writes:

y is everything but Aspie. He's very social - for a Scot, heheLwaxy

Mr. was my second favorite character after Spock. He certainly wasn't AS though. was gregarious, outgoing, combative and loved his alcohol. Still, I think he would have been a better Captain than Kirk.

[Guest guest]

I've always felt that way about Data and Spock, though I'm not a Star Trek fan since the death of Data in that last movie. You forgot T'Pol from Enterprise, Tuvok from Voyager, and Seven of Nine from Voyager. I think that the entire Vulcan race would seem to have AS characteristics. God bless, Irelan

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[Guest guest]

I've always felt that way about Data and Spock, though I'm not a Star Trek fan since the death of Data in that last movie. You forgot T'Pol from Enterprise, Tuvok from Voyager, and Seven of Nine from Voyager. I think that the entire Vulcan race would seem to have AS characteristics. God bless, Irelan

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In a message dated 1/31/2006 4:25:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ender@... writes:

y is friendly and likable but the Enterprise is his one love and the crew his family...Ender

That's actually a fairly common naval mindset, especially for engineers AS or not. I military aviation as well, the ground crews considered the planes theirs and not the pilot's. In fact if a pilot came back with a shot up aircraft, if the pilot himself was not hurt, they would often get a harassed by the groundcrews for abusing their machine.

[Guest guest]

I'm wondering if a lot of authors are aspie? (not all of course), but

it seems a nice solitary job for an aspie :-) well mostly - there is

always the book signing things etc, but most of the time - being left

alone to write - nice :-)

Quite often in books I read I can spot aspie like tendencies in some

characters (usually one of the main characters) and wonder where the

author is drawing from for these characters?

>

> Bean and Ender do seem like Aspies, but I'd have to read the books

> again with that in mind since I read them before I even heard of

> Aspergers. I wonder if Card himself is AS.

>

[Guest guest]

I'm wondering if a lot of authors are aspie? (not all of course), but

it seems a nice solitary job for an aspie :-) well mostly - there is

always the book signing things etc, but most of the time - being left

alone to write - nice :-)

Quite often in books I read I can spot aspie like tendencies in some

characters (usually one of the main characters) and wonder where the

author is drawing from for these characters?

>

> Bean and Ender do seem like Aspies, but I'd have to read the books

> again with that in mind since I read them before I even heard of

> Aspergers. I wonder if Card himself is AS.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't see any of the LotR characters as Aspie, on the contrary.

Especially not Gandalf.

Lwaxy

[Guest guest]

Bean is for sure, Ender's leadership ability is not aspie but a lot

is seems to be calculated which is Aspie... and Valentine

(Ender's siblings) seem likely aspies too.

I suspect that Card may well be. The protagonists in the Alvin

Maker// books, Lost Boys, and many of his short stories

all seem to be aspies. That or Schizoid which appears to be all but

identical in behavior. As best I can see if you act aspie but aren't

diagnosed aspie you're schizoid... I suspect schizoid personality

disorder is a common way for aspies to deal with a world in which

they don't quite fit.

Another aspie... Klaatu from " The Day the Earth Stood Still " and the

" Galaxy Being " from the Pilot for the original " Outer Limits, " (That

I remember when it first aired dates me badly... but then again

aspies have good memories.) Non-hostile movie " Aliens " in general...

ET, StarMan, Kreton - " Visit to a Small Planet " (Old Jerry

Movie 1960), Exeter - " This Island Earth " (although the rest of his

Metaluna buddies were hostile or at least uncaring)

That's is an interesting thing... that aspie behavior is considered

alien, but when a alien acts aspie they are generally considered to

be " good " ... Most people seem to fear and reject anything that is

the least bit odd or atypical... they want every one to be clones of

themselves... in effect an insect colony... that's sort of a scary

idea... people as interchangeable parts to be discarded if they don't fix...

Sorry I'm rambling...

Ender

At 10:18 AM 1/31/2006, you wrote:

>Bean and Ender do seem like Aspies, but I'd have to read the books

>again with that in mind since I read them before I even heard of

>Aspergers. I wonder if Card himself is AS.

[Guest guest]

Bean is for sure, Ender's leadership ability is not aspie but a lot

is seems to be calculated which is Aspie... and Valentine

(Ender's siblings) seem likely aspies too.

I suspect that Card may well be. The protagonists in the Alvin

Maker// books, Lost Boys, and many of his short stories

all seem to be aspies. That or Schizoid which appears to be all but

identical in behavior. As best I can see if you act aspie but aren't

diagnosed aspie you're schizoid... I suspect schizoid personality

disorder is a common way for aspies to deal with a world in which

they don't quite fit.

Another aspie... Klaatu from " The Day the Earth Stood Still " and the

" Galaxy Being " from the Pilot for the original " Outer Limits, " (That

I remember when it first aired dates me badly... but then again

aspies have good memories.) Non-hostile movie " Aliens " in general...

ET, StarMan, Kreton - " Visit to a Small Planet " (Old Jerry

Movie 1960), Exeter - " This Island Earth " (although the rest of his

Metaluna buddies were hostile or at least uncaring)

That's is an interesting thing... that aspie behavior is considered

alien, but when a alien acts aspie they are generally considered to

be " good " ... Most people seem to fear and reject anything that is

the least bit odd or atypical... they want every one to be clones of

themselves... in effect an insect colony... that's sort of a scary

idea... people as interchangeable parts to be discarded if they don't fix...

Sorry I'm rambling...

Ender

At 10:18 AM 1/31/2006, you wrote:

>Bean and Ender do seem like Aspies, but I'd have to read the books

>again with that in mind since I read them before I even heard of

>Aspergers. I wonder if Card himself is AS.

[Guest guest]

Skipped one! Reggie Barclay (Dwight Schultz, some of you might remember him from the A Team) on STNGEnder <ender@...> wrote: I just finished re-reading "Ender's Shadow" by Orson Card... and the thread about genes and AS got me thinking...It occurs to me that one of the things that resonated in the "Enderverse" stories for me is the many of the character are likely Aspies.. The main character in the "Shadow" books is Bean, a little kid that was genetically enhanced to kept getting smarter. He looks much younger than he is because as a side effect of the enhancement he grows very slowly. Well the point is Bean is likely to be Aspie in fact a large number of battle school kids including Ender and his little band that while thinking they were playing a video game, win a

war against aliens many light years away.That got me thinking about the number of characters in SciFi or fiction in general that are likely to have been AspiesA few others that come to mind are Mr Spock and Vulcans from StarTrek, Data (STNG), "The Doctor" (STV), Victor enstein, Frodo, Gandalf, Aragorn (LOTR), Captain Nemo, The Time Traveller (Time Machine), many characters in Poe and LovecraftEnderIf you love something, set it free! So it is with books. See what I mean atwww.bookcrossing.com/friend/nheckoblogcritics.orghttp://notesfromnancy.blogspot.com

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I've always felt that way about Data and Spock, though I'm not a Star

Trek fan since the death of Data in that last movie. You forgot T'Pol

from Enterprise, Tuvok from Voyager, and Seven of Nine from Voyager.

I think that the entire Vulcan race would seem to have AS

characteristics.

God bless, Irelan

[Guest guest]

I was thinking of the books... Tolkien gets into their heads and the

movies didn't... did a good job making a movie (one movie

three parts... the book was chopped into three parts by the

publisher to Tolkien it was one book with many parts) out of a book

that doesn't lead itself well to the Screen. Many of the story lines

were reduce or eliminated... Bombadill, the old forest, the twenty

odd years in the Shire between Bilbo departure and Frodos, what

happened to Saruman and Wormtongue, Sam as the ring-bearer and what

Sam sees in the Mirror of Galadriel, what happened on the way back to

the Shire and when they got there, Gandalf and Elrond are revealed at

the end to like Galadriel be bearers of one other the three elven

rings and a lot more... The book is vastly deeper than the

Movie... Ok I have read it several time and have not seen the

extended version of the movie but the extra hour or so there can't

fix a tenth of the omissions.

I won't go into the remakes of The Time Machine and War of the Worlds

that like the earlier version have next to nothing to do with the

books. The World of the Worlds movies are based on the Orson Wells

radio broadcast. The movie version of the Marvel comic books are

equally awful in their treatment of their source material...

Somemore Aspies: Bruce Banner/the Hulk, and /Spiderman,

Kent/Superman, Read s/Fantastic Four and his nemesis

Victor von Doom/Dr.Doom (all aspies are good guys...)

I'm rambling a again... that may be a good sign... I've be very

depressed lately...

Ender

At 01:06 PM 1/31/2006, you wrote:

>I don't see any of the LotR characters as Aspie, on the contrary.

>Especially not Gandalf.

>

>Lwaxy

[Guest guest]

Right, Reggie Barclay is one for sure... and Odo the shape-shifter

from Deep Space Nine

Ender

At 01:29 PM 1/31/2006, you wrote:

>Skipped one! Reggie Barclay (Dwight Schultz, some of you might

>remember him from the A Team) on STNG

[Guest guest]

Right, Reggie Barclay is one for sure... and Odo the shape-shifter

from Deep Space Nine

Ender

At 01:29 PM 1/31/2006, you wrote:

>Skipped one! Reggie Barclay (Dwight Schultz, some of you might

>remember him from the A Team) on STNG

[Guest guest]

And of course Chief Engineering Officer Montgomery STOS

At 02:39 PM 1/31/2006, you wrote:

>Right, Reggie Barclay is one for sure... and Odo the shape-shifter

>from Deep Space Nine

>

>Ender

>

>At 01:29 PM 1/31/2006, you wrote:

>>Skipped one! Reggie Barclay (Dwight Schultz, some of you might

>>remember him from the A Team) on STNG

[Guest guest]

And of course Chief Engineering Officer Montgomery STOS

At 02:39 PM 1/31/2006, you wrote:

>Right, Reggie Barclay is one for sure... and Odo the shape-shifter

>from Deep Space Nine

>

>Ender

>

>At 01:29 PM 1/31/2006, you wrote:

>>Skipped one! Reggie Barclay (Dwight Schultz, some of you might

>>remember him from the A Team) on STNG

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Bean and Ender do seem like Aspies, but I'd have to read the

books

> > again with that in mind since I read them before I even heard of

> > Aspergers. I wonder if Card himself is AS.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ender wrote:

>And of course Chief Engineering Officer Montgomery STOS

>

>

y is everything but Aspie. He's very social - for a Scot, hehe

Lwaxy

[Guest guest]

I was thinking of " Trouble with Tribbils " and Kirk ordering to

take shore leave when wanted to catch up on engineering journal

and manuals... but that one episode that was not written by the

regular writers... also " Wolf in the Fold " and " Lights of Zatar "

(spelling?) Kirk and McCoy are concerned about his lack of

relationships and overly intense relationship.

y is friendly and likable but the Enterprise is his one love and

the crew his family...

Ender

At 03:37 PM 1/31/2006, you wrote:

>Ender wrote:

>

> >And of course Chief Engineering Officer Montgomery STOS

> >

> >

>y is everything but Aspie. He's very social - for a Scot, hehe

>

>Lwaxy

[Guest guest]

Ender wrote:

>I was thinking of " Trouble with Tribbils " and Kirk ordering to

>take shore leave when wanted to catch up on engineering journal

>and manuals... but that one episode that was not written by the

>regular writers... also " Wolf in the Fold " and " Lights of Zatar "

>(spelling?) Kirk and McCoy are concerned about his lack of

>relationships and overly intense relationship.

>

>y is friendly and likable but the Enterprise is his one love and

>the crew his family...

>

>

>

>

True, you have a point there. There were also a few other instances

where he tried to avoid having to meet lots of new people, even in the

books.

This made me think of Geordi, too - although it's partly his blindness,

he's at least terribly shy and made some interesting blunders in his

relationships and pseudo-relationships.

Lwaxy

[Guest guest]

-i think many authors,especially Scifi/fantasy and mystery,are

AS,although undiagnosed.One of the things Aspies are known for is the

love of lists,elaborate explanations and structure,and you see lots

of that in those kinds of fiction.For example, Norman,author of

the Gor series(one of my faves)will go on for pages describing alien

weapons,laws,articles of clothing,etc.In college we had a joke that

in the Gor novels,no-one could duel until all the weapons were

completely described. Kajira

-- In , " greebohere "

<julie.stevenson16@n...> wrote:

>

> I'm wondering if a lot of authors are aspie? (not all of course),

but

> it seems a nice solitary job for an aspie :-) well mostly - there

is

> always the book signing things etc, but most of the time - being

left

> alone to write - nice :-)

>

> Quite often in books I read I can spot aspie like tendencies in

some

> characters (usually one of the main characters) and wonder where

the

> author is drawing from for these characters?

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Bean and Ender do seem like Aspies, but I'd have to read the

books

> > again with that in mind since I read them before I even heard of

> > Aspergers. I wonder if Card himself is AS.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-i was thinking he was more OCD,like Monk. Kajira

-- In , Ender <ender@r...> wrote:

>

> I was thinking of " Trouble with Tribbils " and Kirk ordering

to

> take shore leave when wanted to catch up on engineering

journal

> and manuals... but that one episode that was not written by the

> regular writers... also " Wolf in the Fold " and " Lights of Zatar "

> (spelling?) Kirk and McCoy are concerned about his lack of

> relationships and overly intense relationship.

>

> y is friendly and likable but the Enterprise is his one love

and

> the crew his family...

>

> Ender

>

> At 03:37 PM 1/31/2006, you wrote:

> >Ender wrote:

> >

> > >And of course Chief Engineering Officer Montgomery STOS

> > >

> > >

> >y is everything but Aspie. He's very social - for a Scot, hehe

> >

> >Lwaxy

>