Re: Movie Tommy

[Guest guest]

I think AS can be dramatic, but just not the way it is percieved - to

say people with AS can suffer mild anxiety - well when I suffer

anxiety it is not what I would refer to as mild - and if it is then

gosh I never want to experience full blown anxiety, which I suspect I

may have, or at least close to.

Meltdowns don't feel particularly pleasant either - I have had a

couple this Christmas, one mild the other not so mild :-(

>

>

> In a message dated 12/29/2005 9:40:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> kajira_2001@y... writes:

>

> --i think the movies like full Autism rather than ASP because it

is

> so dramatic.Here is this person who can't take proper care of

> themselves but they can do amazing math problems,play pinball

> blind,decode secret spy messages,etc. Kajira

>

>

>

> You have a point there. Full autism is more " dramatic " than AS.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-He is not called autistic but his behavior is similar to other film

portrayals of people with autistic savant syndrome.Kajira

-- In , beth sullivan

<dksunglsses@y...> wrote:

>

> I have seen Tommy, which is based on the rock opera by The Who (

also one of my obsessions), Tommy is not autistic, he is traumatized

into blindness, deafness and dumbness by his parents, and isn't cured

until his mother beats it out of him. The entire opera is about

following a false g-d figure, and how people can be lead astray over

foolish things. Pete Townsend was actually writing about how people

foolishly follow rock stars to the end of the earth and do all kinds

of crazy things to get their g-ds to look upon the kindly.

Eventually in the end the facade is seen through the false g-d falls

and all goes back to normal.

>

> Beth

>

> Inger Lorelei <inglori@s...> wrote:

> There is no end to the number of films based on the erroneous

assumption

> that everything, including autism, is caused by some dramatic

childhood

> trauma and can be resolved in a jiffy if you just retrieve it from

memory.

> Very clever way of making money off of unsuspecting help-seekers,

but no

> true for more than a few.

>

> For many of us it is the discrepancy between the way we function

and our

> environment that is causing the problem. Change the environment and

the

> problem is solved.

>

> Never saw Tommy so I don't know if or how they solved HIS

problem. :-) But I

> must have a recording of Pinball Wizard still in my head because it

started

> playing now that you wrote about it. :-(

>

> Inger

>

>

> Movie " Tommy "

>

>

> i just saw " Tommy " on TV last week,the first time i have seen it

since

> i was a teenager.While watching the scene with the Doctor,played by

> Jack Nicholson,i realized that Tommy has a type of Autism,but not

> genetic.His is caused by trauma.The Doctor says that Tommy CAN

> hear,see,and talk,but has a mental block.i think that used to be

called

> Hysterical Blindness.And of course,his skill at pinball is a savant

> skill. Kajira

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

-He is not called autistic but his behavior is similar to other film

portrayals of people with autistic savant syndrome.Kajira

-- In , beth sullivan

<dksunglsses@y...> wrote:

>

> I have seen Tommy, which is based on the rock opera by The Who (

also one of my obsessions), Tommy is not autistic, he is traumatized

into blindness, deafness and dumbness by his parents, and isn't cured

until his mother beats it out of him. The entire opera is about

following a false g-d figure, and how people can be lead astray over

foolish things. Pete Townsend was actually writing about how people

foolishly follow rock stars to the end of the earth and do all kinds

of crazy things to get their g-ds to look upon the kindly.

Eventually in the end the facade is seen through the false g-d falls

and all goes back to normal.

>

> Beth

>

> Inger Lorelei <inglori@s...> wrote:

> There is no end to the number of films based on the erroneous

assumption

> that everything, including autism, is caused by some dramatic

childhood

> trauma and can be resolved in a jiffy if you just retrieve it from

memory.

> Very clever way of making money off of unsuspecting help-seekers,

but no

> true for more than a few.

>

> For many of us it is the discrepancy between the way we function

and our

> environment that is causing the problem. Change the environment and

the

> problem is solved.

>

> Never saw Tommy so I don't know if or how they solved HIS

problem. :-) But I

> must have a recording of Pinball Wizard still in my head because it

started

> playing now that you wrote about it. :-(

>

> Inger

>

>

> Movie " Tommy "

>

>

> i just saw " Tommy " on TV last week,the first time i have seen it

since

> i was a teenager.While watching the scene with the Doctor,played by

> Jack Nicholson,i realized that Tommy has a type of Autism,but not

> genetic.His is caused by trauma.The Doctor says that Tommy CAN

> hear,see,and talk,but has a mental block.i think that used to be

called

> Hysterical Blindness.And of course,his skill at pinball is a savant

> skill. Kajira

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship,

support and

> acceptance. Everyone is valued.

>

> Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page

in the

> folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

>

[Guest guest]

>: "Do you know any to recommend or have any tips about taking a train trip?">: "I love the Who, too."You'll just have to take the one that goes: "Whoo, whoo"  Rainbow

[Guest guest]

-i force myself to make eye contact.i also have no problem making eye

contact with babies and animals. Kajira

-- In , " greebohere "

<julie.stevenson16@n...> wrote:

>

> Well I have noticed there seems to be more of an awarness of AS

> around and people tend to notice I am even before I knew I was!

>

> Since I have more awarness I try to compensate for my lacking areas

> somewhat - like eye contact - as much as I dislike it I try to make

> the effort after been told that my eye contact was not good. I know

> the other person generally wants, prefers eye contact - but I still

> hate it unless it is with someone whom I am intimate with or my son.

>

> Strangely enough I have no problems with eye contact with babies or

> cats.

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 12/29/2005 9:30:08 P.M. Eastern Standard

Time,

> > inglori@s... writes:

> >

> > There is no end to the number of films based on the erroneous

> assumption

> > that everything, including autism, is caused by some dramatic

> childhood

> > trauma and can be resolved in a jiffy if you just retrieve it

from

> memory.

> > Very clever way of making money off of unsuspecting help-

seekers,

> but no

> > true for more than a few.

> >

> >

> >

> > The main problem with the movies is that they tend to focus on

full

> autism

> > rather than AS. That is why I don't tell many people that I have

AS

> because

> > when they hear autism they automatically think Rain Man. Because

I

> don't act

> > like Rain Man, they don't believe there is anything " wrong " with

> me.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-i force myself to make eye contact.i also have no problem making eye

contact with babies and animals. Kajira

-- In , " greebohere "

<julie.stevenson16@n...> wrote:

>

> Well I have noticed there seems to be more of an awarness of AS

> around and people tend to notice I am even before I knew I was!

>

> Since I have more awarness I try to compensate for my lacking areas

> somewhat - like eye contact - as much as I dislike it I try to make

> the effort after been told that my eye contact was not good. I know

> the other person generally wants, prefers eye contact - but I still

> hate it unless it is with someone whom I am intimate with or my son.

>

> Strangely enough I have no problems with eye contact with babies or

> cats.

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 12/29/2005 9:30:08 P.M. Eastern Standard

Time,

> > inglori@s... writes:

> >

> > There is no end to the number of films based on the erroneous

> assumption

> > that everything, including autism, is caused by some dramatic

> childhood

> > trauma and can be resolved in a jiffy if you just retrieve it

from

> memory.

> > Very clever way of making money off of unsuspecting help-

seekers,

> but no

> > true for more than a few.

> >

> >

> >

> > The main problem with the movies is that they tend to focus on

full

> autism

> > rather than AS. That is why I don't tell many people that I have

AS

> because

> > when they hear autism they automatically think Rain Man. Because

I

> don't act

> > like Rain Man, they don't believe there is anything " wrong " with

> me.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Mmmmmmmmm this reminds me of something I have noticed with many

people :-) I realised pretty quick (this when younger) that if I was

engrossed in something - could have been a flower a leaf a blade of

grass (whatever), that others too would suddenly become interested

wanting to know what I found so fascinating - but they rarely got

it :-)

I learned later when doing craft stalls - that to get interest in the

stall all I had to do was walk around to the front of the stall and

start looking at things and naturally other people would too - I call

this 'herd mentality' :-)

Just for the sheer heck and fun of it I have been known to stare at

the ceiling intently for a while and then look around to see how many

other people were looking up to see what I was looking at - it's

amazing stuff :-)

To be honest it doesn't really work on me though - I look at what I

find interesting and am generally in my own little world - so what

interests others doesn't always register - and if I see a lot of

people packed around a stall/place - I kind of want to get away as I

dislike crowded places.

> >

> > -i force myself to make eye contact.i also have no problem making

> eye

> > contact with babies and animals. Kajira

> >

>

> I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have to

> force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I stare

to

> the left and I have had on more than one occassion people turning

> around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but they

> turn around to look. One of these ppl who did that is diagnosed

with

> AS/ADHD so that's even more funny!!!

> But I do still refuse to 'look down' I guess people only know

> about 'looking down' (most ppl think that's shyness) and 'making

eye

> contact', staring to the left in the distance seems to confuse them.

>

> Let's rock their world =)

>

[Guest guest]

Mmmmmmmmm this reminds me of something I have noticed with many

people :-) I realised pretty quick (this when younger) that if I was

engrossed in something - could have been a flower a leaf a blade of

grass (whatever), that others too would suddenly become interested

wanting to know what I found so fascinating - but they rarely got

it :-)

I learned later when doing craft stalls - that to get interest in the

stall all I had to do was walk around to the front of the stall and

start looking at things and naturally other people would too - I call

this 'herd mentality' :-)

Just for the sheer heck and fun of it I have been known to stare at

the ceiling intently for a while and then look around to see how many

other people were looking up to see what I was looking at - it's

amazing stuff :-)

To be honest it doesn't really work on me though - I look at what I

find interesting and am generally in my own little world - so what

interests others doesn't always register - and if I see a lot of

people packed around a stall/place - I kind of want to get away as I

dislike crowded places.

> >

> > -i force myself to make eye contact.i also have no problem making

> eye

> > contact with babies and animals. Kajira

> >

>

> I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have to

> force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I stare

to

> the left and I have had on more than one occassion people turning

> around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but they

> turn around to look. One of these ppl who did that is diagnosed

with

> AS/ADHD so that's even more funny!!!

> But I do still refuse to 'look down' I guess people only know

> about 'looking down' (most ppl think that's shyness) and 'making

eye

> contact', staring to the left in the distance seems to confuse them.

>

> Let's rock their world =)

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Mmmmmmmmm this reminds me of something I have noticed with many

> people :-) I realised pretty quick (this when younger) that if I was

> engrossed in something - could have been a flower a leaf a blade of

> grass (whatever), that others too would suddenly become interested

> wanting to know what I found so fascinating - but they rarely got

> it :-)

>

heheh, great annecdotes!! )

[Guest guest]

>

> Mmmmmmmmm this reminds me of something I have noticed with many

> people :-) I realised pretty quick (this when younger) that if I was

> engrossed in something - could have been a flower a leaf a blade of

> grass (whatever), that others too would suddenly become interested

> wanting to know what I found so fascinating - but they rarely got

> it :-)

>

heheh, great annecdotes!! )

[Guest guest]

>

> I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have to

> force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I stare to

> the left and I have had on more than one occassion people turning

> around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but they

> turn around to look.

What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you to

look into their eyes!

[Guest guest]

> " What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you

to look into their eyes! "

I've had that one and also the constant tapping me to make sure I am

listening - which REALLY does not help - it is annoying and if someone

is constantly tapping me - I can't focus on what they say - I'm more

focused on the irritating unwanted body contact and wondering what the

best way to respond or escape would be.

>

> >

> > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have to

> > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I stare

to

> > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people turning

> > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but they

> > turn around to look.

>

>

> What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you

to

> look into their eyes!

>

[Guest guest]

I view that as an invasion of privacy and an invasion of my personal

space.

Tom

What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you to

look into their eyes!

[Guest guest]

I agree.

I have noticed some people seem to seek eye contact out though - I can

see them looking - trying to engage my eyes - I find it very

disturbing - I have noticed it tends to be more so when money exchanges

hands - are they trying to seek out whether I am honest by eye contact

or something? I think I must appear quite shifty as I dislike eye

contact and don't particulary enjoy handling money either.

>

> What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you

to

> look into their eyes!

>

[Guest guest]

I get the idea that the more needy or insecure someone is, the more

they seek the eye-contact.

It is a fallacy that constant eye contact means honesty and lack of

eye contact means shiftiness.

When money changes hands, for example, there is usually heavy eye

contact. I think this is because both parties involved in making the

deal want to ensure that they are getting a fair deal. But to my way

of thinking, it's really self-convincing or self-deceiving. You

cannot see into a person's heart by looking through their eyes.

When I am involved in a transaction or conversation with someone, I

listen to their voice. I can heare the slightest flucuations and

intonations, and my ear seems to pick up when deception is involved.

If I detect deception, THAT'S when they get eye contact from me -

the sort of eye contact that says " Doon't mess with me, I'm not

stupid. "

It's a look they cannot argue with and they tend to come clean after

I give them that look.

Tom

Administrator

>

What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you

to look into their eyes!

[Guest guest]

Constantly tapping you? Now that would be irritating.

> >

> > >

> > > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have

to

> > > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I

stare

> to

> > > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people

turning

> > > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but

they

> > > turn around to look.

> >

> >

> > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force

you

> to

> > look into their eyes!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you

> to look into their eyes!

>

[Guest guest]

" It's a look they cannot argue with and they tend to come clean after

I give them that look. "

Oooooooo that's what I describe as the kilowat stare :-)

People think I'm phyco when I do my kilowat stare :-) Works

particularly well as a last resort on my son - he knows mummy is

serious then :-)

> >

> What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you

> to look into their eyes!

>

[Guest guest]

-That is so RUDE!!!! Kajira

-- In , " mikecarrie01 "

<mikecarrie01@y...> wrote:

>

> >

> > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have to

> > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I stare

to

> > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people turning

> > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but they

> > turn around to look.

>

>

> What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you

to

> look into their eyes!

>

[Guest guest]

I find it very rude too!

> >

> > >

> > > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have

to

> > > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I

stare

> to

> > > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people

turning

> > > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but

they

> > > turn around to look.

> >

> >

> > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force

you

> to

> > look into their eyes!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-Yes,i do that too.Kajira

-- In , " greebohere "

<julie.stevenson16@n...> wrote:

>

> " It's a look they cannot argue with and they tend to come clean

after

> I give them that look. "

>

> Oooooooo that's what I describe as the kilowat stare :-)

>

> People think I'm phyco when I do my kilowat stare :-) Works

> particularly well as a last resort on my son - he knows mummy is

> serious then :-)

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force

you

> > to look into their eyes!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Try this: remove their hand with a " Yes, I heard you. My parents taught, me, however, that it's rude to interrupt others when they speak. Have you finished?"greebohere <julie.stevenson16@...> wrote: > "What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you to look into their eyes!"I've had that one and also the constant tapping me to make sure I am listening - which REALLY does not help - it is annoying and if someone is constantly tapping me - I can't focus on what they say - I'm more focused on the irritating unwanted body contact and wondering what the best way to respond or escape would be.>> > > > I sometimes refuse to force myself

(since I feel I already have to > > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I stare to > > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people turning > > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but they > > turn around to look. > > > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you to > look into their eyes!>If you love something, set it free! So it is with books. See what I mean atwww.bookcrossing.com/friend/nheckoblogcritics.orghttp://notesfromnancy.blogspot.com

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[Guest guest]

Eeeeeeeeeeeek - I wouldn't be able to do that - I don't want to touch

them and I don't want them touching me - although there have been

times we're I've been tempted to punch them - infact I threatened one

person with that once - I just turned to him with kilowat stare and

said 'touch me one time and I will punch you' - he seemed quite

offended - wonder why :-) but he stopped touching me - so it worked.

> >

> > >

> > > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have

to

> > > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I

stare

> to

> > > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people

turning

> > > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but

they

> > > turn around to look.

> >

> >

> > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force

you

> to

> > look into their eyes!

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm always surprised and a little upset by how many non-Aspergers

treat each other. They seem to take liberties that I would call

crossing a line, all the time, and neither party is offended.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already

have

> to

> > > > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I

> stare

> > to

> > > > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people

> turning

> > > > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment,

but

> they

> > > > turn around to look.

> > >

> > >

> > > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to

force

> you

> > to

> > > look into their eyes!

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship,

> support and acceptance. Everyone is valued.

> >

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page

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> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> " (when I conveniently had a blowout on a slow street in front of a

tire emporium) "

Maybe they threw tacks into the street in front of their shop!

" and I got into a conversation with another man who was waiting on

this very point. In his opinion it was not even an " age " -based

behavior but more a sign of the times in which we live. "

It's definitely gotten worse but I was watching a movie last night

from 1955 and they were attacking each other pretty well and just

accepting it!

>

> " If I happen to mention such behaviors, the parties will often

mention " we were just kidding " and that I am the one being offensive. "

Yeah, they'll make you think you are stirring up trouble by pointing

it out or that you are too sensitive or think you're better than

everyone. It's so nice to (rarely) hear people say they're sorry or

they didn't know they were doing that or they'll be careful not to do

it, thanks for pointing it out.

>

>

> Amy

>