Guest guest Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 I think AS can be dramatic, but just not the way it is percieved - to say people with AS can suffer mild anxiety - well when I suffer anxiety it is not what I would refer to as mild - and if it is then gosh I never want to experience full blown anxiety, which I suspect I may have, or at least close to. Meltdowns don't feel particularly pleasant either - I have had a couple this Christmas, one mild the other not so mild :-( > > > In a message dated 12/29/2005 9:40:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > kajira_2001@y... writes: > > --i think the movies like full Autism rather than ASP because it is > so dramatic.Here is this person who can't take proper care of > themselves but they can do amazing math problems,play pinball > blind,decode secret spy messages,etc. Kajira > > > > You have a point there. Full autism is more " dramatic " than AS. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 -He is not called autistic but his behavior is similar to other film portrayals of people with autistic savant syndrome.Kajira -- In , beth sullivan <dksunglsses@y...> wrote: > > I have seen Tommy, which is based on the rock opera by The Who ( also one of my obsessions), Tommy is not autistic, he is traumatized into blindness, deafness and dumbness by his parents, and isn't cured until his mother beats it out of him. The entire opera is about following a false g-d figure, and how people can be lead astray over foolish things. Pete Townsend was actually writing about how people foolishly follow rock stars to the end of the earth and do all kinds of crazy things to get their g-ds to look upon the kindly. Eventually in the end the facade is seen through the false g-d falls and all goes back to normal. > > Beth > > Inger Lorelei <inglori@s...> wrote: > There is no end to the number of films based on the erroneous assumption > that everything, including autism, is caused by some dramatic childhood > trauma and can be resolved in a jiffy if you just retrieve it from memory. > Very clever way of making money off of unsuspecting help-seekers, but no > true for more than a few. > > For many of us it is the discrepancy between the way we function and our > environment that is causing the problem. Change the environment and the > problem is solved. > > Never saw Tommy so I don't know if or how they solved HIS problem. :-) But I > must have a recording of Pinball Wizard still in my head because it started > playing now that you wrote about it. :-( > > Inger > > > Movie " Tommy " > > > i just saw " Tommy " on TV last week,the first time i have seen it since > i was a teenager.While watching the scene with the Doctor,played by > Jack Nicholson,i realized that Tommy has a type of Autism,but not > genetic.His is caused by trauma.The Doctor says that Tommy CAN > hear,see,and talk,but has a mental block.i think that used to be called > Hysterical Blindness.And of course,his skill at pinball is a savant > skill. Kajira > > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and > acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the > folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 -He is not called autistic but his behavior is similar to other film portrayals of people with autistic savant syndrome.Kajira -- In , beth sullivan <dksunglsses@y...> wrote: > > I have seen Tommy, which is based on the rock opera by The Who ( also one of my obsessions), Tommy is not autistic, he is traumatized into blindness, deafness and dumbness by his parents, and isn't cured until his mother beats it out of him. The entire opera is about following a false g-d figure, and how people can be lead astray over foolish things. Pete Townsend was actually writing about how people foolishly follow rock stars to the end of the earth and do all kinds of crazy things to get their g-ds to look upon the kindly. Eventually in the end the facade is seen through the false g-d falls and all goes back to normal. > > Beth > > Inger Lorelei <inglori@s...> wrote: > There is no end to the number of films based on the erroneous assumption > that everything, including autism, is caused by some dramatic childhood > trauma and can be resolved in a jiffy if you just retrieve it from memory. > Very clever way of making money off of unsuspecting help-seekers, but no > true for more than a few. > > For many of us it is the discrepancy between the way we function and our > environment that is causing the problem. Change the environment and the > problem is solved. > > Never saw Tommy so I don't know if or how they solved HIS problem. :-) But I > must have a recording of Pinball Wizard still in my head because it started > playing now that you wrote about it. :-( > > Inger > > > Movie " Tommy " > > > i just saw " Tommy " on TV last week,the first time i have seen it since > i was a teenager.While watching the scene with the Doctor,played by > Jack Nicholson,i realized that Tommy has a type of Autism,but not > genetic.His is caused by trauma.The Doctor says that Tommy CAN > hear,see,and talk,but has a mental block.i think that used to be called > Hysterical Blindness.And of course,his skill at pinball is a savant > skill. Kajira > > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and > acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the > folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 >: "Do you know any to recommend or have any tips about taking a train trip?">: "I love the Who, too."You'll just have to take the one that goes: "Whoo, whoo"  Rainbow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 -i force myself to make eye contact.i also have no problem making eye contact with babies and animals. Kajira -- In , " greebohere " <julie.stevenson16@n...> wrote: > > Well I have noticed there seems to be more of an awarness of AS > around and people tend to notice I am even before I knew I was! > > Since I have more awarness I try to compensate for my lacking areas > somewhat - like eye contact - as much as I dislike it I try to make > the effort after been told that my eye contact was not good. I know > the other person generally wants, prefers eye contact - but I still > hate it unless it is with someone whom I am intimate with or my son. > > Strangely enough I have no problems with eye contact with babies or > cats. > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/29/2005 9:30:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > inglori@s... writes: > > > > There is no end to the number of films based on the erroneous > assumption > > that everything, including autism, is caused by some dramatic > childhood > > trauma and can be resolved in a jiffy if you just retrieve it from > memory. > > Very clever way of making money off of unsuspecting help- seekers, > but no > > true for more than a few. > > > > > > > > The main problem with the movies is that they tend to focus on full > autism > > rather than AS. That is why I don't tell many people that I have AS > because > > when they hear autism they automatically think Rain Man. Because I > don't act > > like Rain Man, they don't believe there is anything " wrong " with > me. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2005 Report Share Posted December 31, 2005 -i force myself to make eye contact.i also have no problem making eye contact with babies and animals. Kajira -- In , " greebohere " <julie.stevenson16@n...> wrote: > > Well I have noticed there seems to be more of an awarness of AS > around and people tend to notice I am even before I knew I was! > > Since I have more awarness I try to compensate for my lacking areas > somewhat - like eye contact - as much as I dislike it I try to make > the effort after been told that my eye contact was not good. I know > the other person generally wants, prefers eye contact - but I still > hate it unless it is with someone whom I am intimate with or my son. > > Strangely enough I have no problems with eye contact with babies or > cats. > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 12/29/2005 9:30:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > inglori@s... writes: > > > > There is no end to the number of films based on the erroneous > assumption > > that everything, including autism, is caused by some dramatic > childhood > > trauma and can be resolved in a jiffy if you just retrieve it from > memory. > > Very clever way of making money off of unsuspecting help- seekers, > but no > > true for more than a few. > > > > > > > > The main problem with the movies is that they tend to focus on full > autism > > rather than AS. That is why I don't tell many people that I have AS > because > > when they hear autism they automatically think Rain Man. Because I > don't act > > like Rain Man, they don't believe there is anything " wrong " with > me. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Mmmmmmmmm this reminds me of something I have noticed with many people :-) I realised pretty quick (this when younger) that if I was engrossed in something - could have been a flower a leaf a blade of grass (whatever), that others too would suddenly become interested wanting to know what I found so fascinating - but they rarely got it :-) I learned later when doing craft stalls - that to get interest in the stall all I had to do was walk around to the front of the stall and start looking at things and naturally other people would too - I call this 'herd mentality' :-) Just for the sheer heck and fun of it I have been known to stare at the ceiling intently for a while and then look around to see how many other people were looking up to see what I was looking at - it's amazing stuff :-) To be honest it doesn't really work on me though - I look at what I find interesting and am generally in my own little world - so what interests others doesn't always register - and if I see a lot of people packed around a stall/place - I kind of want to get away as I dislike crowded places. > > > > -i force myself to make eye contact.i also have no problem making > eye > > contact with babies and animals. Kajira > > > > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have to > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I stare to > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people turning > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but they > turn around to look. One of these ppl who did that is diagnosed with > AS/ADHD so that's even more funny!!! > But I do still refuse to 'look down' I guess people only know > about 'looking down' (most ppl think that's shyness) and 'making eye > contact', staring to the left in the distance seems to confuse them. > > Let's rock their world =) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Mmmmmmmmm this reminds me of something I have noticed with many people :-) I realised pretty quick (this when younger) that if I was engrossed in something - could have been a flower a leaf a blade of grass (whatever), that others too would suddenly become interested wanting to know what I found so fascinating - but they rarely got it :-) I learned later when doing craft stalls - that to get interest in the stall all I had to do was walk around to the front of the stall and start looking at things and naturally other people would too - I call this 'herd mentality' :-) Just for the sheer heck and fun of it I have been known to stare at the ceiling intently for a while and then look around to see how many other people were looking up to see what I was looking at - it's amazing stuff :-) To be honest it doesn't really work on me though - I look at what I find interesting and am generally in my own little world - so what interests others doesn't always register - and if I see a lot of people packed around a stall/place - I kind of want to get away as I dislike crowded places. > > > > -i force myself to make eye contact.i also have no problem making > eye > > contact with babies and animals. Kajira > > > > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have to > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I stare to > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people turning > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but they > turn around to look. One of these ppl who did that is diagnosed with > AS/ADHD so that's even more funny!!! > But I do still refuse to 'look down' I guess people only know > about 'looking down' (most ppl think that's shyness) and 'making eye > contact', staring to the left in the distance seems to confuse them. > > Let's rock their world =) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 > > Mmmmmmmmm this reminds me of something I have noticed with many > people :-) I realised pretty quick (this when younger) that if I was > engrossed in something - could have been a flower a leaf a blade of > grass (whatever), that others too would suddenly become interested > wanting to know what I found so fascinating - but they rarely got > it :-) > heheh, great annecdotes!! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 > > Mmmmmmmmm this reminds me of something I have noticed with many > people :-) I realised pretty quick (this when younger) that if I was > engrossed in something - could have been a flower a leaf a blade of > grass (whatever), that others too would suddenly become interested > wanting to know what I found so fascinating - but they rarely got > it :-) > heheh, great annecdotes!! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 > > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have to > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I stare to > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people turning > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but they > turn around to look. What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you to look into their eyes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 > " What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you to look into their eyes! " I've had that one and also the constant tapping me to make sure I am listening - which REALLY does not help - it is annoying and if someone is constantly tapping me - I can't focus on what they say - I'm more focused on the irritating unwanted body contact and wondering what the best way to respond or escape would be. > > > > > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have to > > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I stare to > > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people turning > > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but they > > turn around to look. > > > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you to > look into their eyes! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I view that as an invasion of privacy and an invasion of my personal space. Tom What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you to look into their eyes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I agree. I have noticed some people seem to seek eye contact out though - I can see them looking - trying to engage my eyes - I find it very disturbing - I have noticed it tends to be more so when money exchanges hands - are they trying to seek out whether I am honest by eye contact or something? I think I must appear quite shifty as I dislike eye contact and don't particulary enjoy handling money either. > > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you to > look into their eyes! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I get the idea that the more needy or insecure someone is, the more they seek the eye-contact. It is a fallacy that constant eye contact means honesty and lack of eye contact means shiftiness. When money changes hands, for example, there is usually heavy eye contact. I think this is because both parties involved in making the deal want to ensure that they are getting a fair deal. But to my way of thinking, it's really self-convincing or self-deceiving. You cannot see into a person's heart by looking through their eyes. When I am involved in a transaction or conversation with someone, I listen to their voice. I can heare the slightest flucuations and intonations, and my ear seems to pick up when deception is involved. If I detect deception, THAT'S when they get eye contact from me - the sort of eye contact that says " Doon't mess with me, I'm not stupid. " It's a look they cannot argue with and they tend to come clean after I give them that look. Tom Administrator > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you to look into their eyes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Constantly tapping you? Now that would be irritating. > > > > > > > > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have to > > > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I stare > to > > > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people turning > > > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but they > > > turn around to look. > > > > > > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you > to > > look into their eyes! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 > > > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you > to look into their eyes! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 " It's a look they cannot argue with and they tend to come clean after I give them that look. " Oooooooo that's what I describe as the kilowat stare :-) People think I'm phyco when I do my kilowat stare :-) Works particularly well as a last resort on my son - he knows mummy is serious then :-) > > > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you > to look into their eyes! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 -That is so RUDE!!!! Kajira -- In , " mikecarrie01 " <mikecarrie01@y...> wrote: > > > > > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have to > > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I stare to > > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people turning > > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but they > > turn around to look. > > > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you to > look into their eyes! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 I find it very rude too! > > > > > > > > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have to > > > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I stare > to > > > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people turning > > > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but they > > > turn around to look. > > > > > > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you > to > > look into their eyes! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 -Yes,i do that too.Kajira -- In , " greebohere " <julie.stevenson16@n...> wrote: > > " It's a look they cannot argue with and they tend to come clean after > I give them that look. " > > Oooooooo that's what I describe as the kilowat stare :-) > > People think I'm phyco when I do my kilowat stare :-) Works > particularly well as a last resort on my son - he knows mummy is > serious then :-) > > > > > > > > > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you > > to look into their eyes! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Try this: remove their hand with a " Yes, I heard you. My parents taught, me, however, that it's rude to interrupt others when they speak. Have you finished?"greebohere <julie.stevenson16@...> wrote: > "What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you to look into their eyes!"I've had that one and also the constant tapping me to make sure I am listening - which REALLY does not help - it is annoying and if someone is constantly tapping me - I can't focus on what they say - I'm more focused on the irritating unwanted body contact and wondering what the best way to respond or escape would be.>> > > > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have to > > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I stare to > > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people turning > > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but they > > turn around to look. > > > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you to > look into their eyes!>If you love something, set it free! So it is with books. See what I mean atwww.bookcrossing.com/friend/nheckoblogcritics.orghttp://notesfromnancy.blogspot.com Heckofreelance proofreadernancygailus@... Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Eeeeeeeeeeeek - I wouldn't be able to do that - I don't want to touch them and I don't want them touching me - although there have been times we're I've been tempted to punch them - infact I threatened one person with that once - I just turned to him with kilowat stare and said 'touch me one time and I will punch you' - he seemed quite offended - wonder why :-) but he stopped touching me - so it worked. > > > > > > > > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have to > > > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I stare > to > > > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people turning > > > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but they > > > turn around to look. > > > > > > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force you > to > > look into their eyes! > > > > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 I'm always surprised and a little upset by how many non-Aspergers treat each other. They seem to take liberties that I would call crossing a line, all the time, and neither party is offended. > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes refuse to force myself (since I feel I already have > to > > > > force myself with far too many things all my life) so then I > stare > > to > > > > the left and I have had on more than one occassion people > turning > > > > around to see what I am staring at ;o) they don't comment, but > they > > > > turn around to look. > > > > > > > > > What's worse is when they move into your line of vision to force > you > > to > > > look into their eyes! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, > support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page > in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 > " (when I conveniently had a blowout on a slow street in front of a tire emporium) " Maybe they threw tacks into the street in front of their shop! " and I got into a conversation with another man who was waiting on this very point. In his opinion it was not even an " age " -based behavior but more a sign of the times in which we live. " It's definitely gotten worse but I was watching a movie last night from 1955 and they were attacking each other pretty well and just accepting it! > > " If I happen to mention such behaviors, the parties will often mention " we were just kidding " and that I am the one being offensive. " Yeah, they'll make you think you are stirring up trouble by pointing it out or that you are too sensitive or think you're better than everyone. It's so nice to (rarely) hear people say they're sorry or they didn't know they were doing that or they'll be careful not to do it, thanks for pointing it out. > > > Amy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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