Re: Identifying the Female Child Sex Offender

[Guest guest]

On 18 Nov 2005 Inger Lorelei wrote:

> ... a limit at 15 as we have here in Sweden seems to

> work well enough.

Does the " 15 " apply to partners of the 15 year old who are all

ages? Are 14 year olds who have sex with each other violating

this law?

> just having an age limit that no one will follow and sweep

> the whole issue under the carpet and hope for the best.

The age limits for statutory rape laws are pretty much

respected. There are some people who cross the line within a

few years of each other, but most or all states do not make it a

crime if the age difference is small (e.g., 2 or 3 years). If a

state makes it illegal for people " under-age " or " under the age

of consent " (same thing) to have sex with each other (both

partners under-age), that law is generally ignored as making it

impossible to hook-up.

- s

[Guest guest]

Stan,

It's a given that sometimes teens will have sex with teens. Kids

will sometimes have sex with kids. Not a good thing in my opinion,

but it happens.

But adults having sex with kids is definately wrong, not because

there is some existing social moral or ethical belief that says so,

but because children are naiive and can be taken advantage of in so

many ways. Adults know this, and those who have sex with children

are, in reality, simply exploiting them.

Laws have been established making sex between adults and children a

criminal offense, and with good reason. Now perhaps the age at which

that line has been drawn seems arbitrary, but the line has to be

drawn somewhere. So it's 18 in one country, 16 in another, 15 in

still another.

There are people here who have been sexually abused as children by

adults and this whole conversation may be traumatic for them. I have

gotten e-mails to that effect.

You are entitled to your opinion but I think we perhaps ought to let

this subject rest now.

Tom

> ... a limit at 15 as we have here in Sweden seems to

> work well enough.

Does the " 15 " apply to partners of the 15 year old who are all

ages? Are 14 year olds who have sex with each other violating

this law?

> just having an age limit that no one will follow and sweep

> the whole issue under the carpet and hope for the best.

The age limits for statutory rape laws are pretty much

respected. There are some people who cross the line within a

few years of each other, but most or all states do not make it a

crime if the age difference is small (e.g., 2 or 3 years). If a

state makes it illegal for people " under-age " or " under the age

of consent " (same thing) to have sex with each other (both

partners under-age), that law is generally ignored as making it

impossible to hook-up.

- s

[Guest guest]

Inger,

When I was going through my educational psychology course in

college, what they told us is that, generally speaking, over 80% of

the facts people are presented with on ANY subject are either

forgotten or mis-memorized.

But they also said that in regard to Sex-Ed, kids who had had Sex-

Ed " felt confident " that they knew the risks of STDs and pregnancy

and were now MORE INCLINED to have sex then kids who were told the

generalities and encouraged to stay abstinent, yet when asked to

repeat back the facts that they were taught repeated them back

incorrectly over 80% of the time.

Yes, it's a good idea to make kids aware that they could get

pregnant if they have sex, and that they could get STDs and HIV.

Yes, they ought to know where babies come from and how their bodies

are going to develop. But as far as getting more graphic than that

is concerned, educating them CAN actually endanger them.

Tom

In a message dated 11/18/2005 2:20:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

inglori@... writes:

With proper education on risks and protection, that's probably a

better way of avoiding teen pregnancies, STDs etc, than just having

an age limit that no one will follow and sweep the whole issue under

the carpet and hope for the best.

Inger

Proper education can help, but then again it can also hurt. We've

been having sex education here in the States for some time, but the

teen sexual activity rates have been going up as have STDs. I think,

however, that this is because most of the sex education programs

have been hijacked by people with ulterior motives. Many of the

programs gloss over abstinence and STDs and are instead more of

a " how to " manual and the message is " It feels good so damn the

consequences and full speed ahead! "

Here is an example that was caught and challenged. This is by no

means an isolated incident but has been common for the last 15

years.

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