Re: 's post on antifungals, yeast fighter and probiotics

[Guest guest]

what kind of antifungal do you recommend and how much?

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of scottshoe11Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:32 PMmb12 valtrex Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: 's post on antifungals, yeast fighter and probioticsKenny-We started OLE without antifungals. BIG MISTAKE for us. Yeast galore from a kid that never had too much of a problem with it. We added them about a week into it and wished we would have done it sooner. Learn from our mistake!> > >> > > ,> > > > > > I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try to > > > clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were already > > > closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing. > > > > > > I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful. > But, > > > by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you > are > > > keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system. If > > the > > > VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad shape > > by > > > the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad shape > > > during the protocol--ugh). > > > > > > I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if > we > > > stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely > quickly. > > > Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses makes > > them > > > monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little > > > buggers who need constant shoring up. > > > > > > To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always > > recommend > > > Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to > the > > > good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a > > > tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate > > controversy > > > is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal, but > of > > > course its mechanism is much different than other OTC > antifungals > > > and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk > > about > > > antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.> > > > > > This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)> > > > > > Anita> >>

[Guest guest]

,

I read you used GSE and Uva Ursi.

What other natural antifungal is effective?

How much of Uva Ursi you used?

After 2 years at this I havent found an antifungal

as effective as Diflucan, or I think I havnt found

the right dosage.

Thanks

[Guest guest]

,

I read you used GSE and Uva Ursi.

What other natural antifungal is effective?

How much of Uva Ursi you used?

After 2 years at this I havent found an antifungal

as effective as Diflucan, or I think I havnt found

the right dosage.

Thanks

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure about the garlic. I don't use it for my son. Although have

read many posts where others do. I'm half Italian so garlic is in almost

every meal. My husband eats more garlic than anyone else on the planet, I

think. I tell him it must mean his body needs it desperately.

Fraleigh is the one who posted she uses the garlic. -

Re: 's post on antifungals, yeast fighter and

probiotics

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>

> Garlic is also an antibacterial/antifungal/yeast and viral

treatment. Our family is SCD and it is the only treatment we use for

all of the above and it works brilliantly. I have used it for my

ASD son when I see that his focus is off and he is a bit spacey

(possible yeast symptom.) I give it in capsules at night for 3-5

days and increase our yogurt consumption and he really responds well

to that

> > >

HI ALLISON,

CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH GARLIC AND WHAT BRAND? AS I BELEIVE SOME

ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. ALSO HOW FAR APART FROM OTHER SUPPLEMENTS IF

YOU ARE USING ANY? THANKS FOR INPUT OUR FAMILY SWEARS BY GARLIC FOR

ITS PROPERTIES BUT I HAVE NOT USED IT WITH MY BOYS YET.

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[Guest guest]

I'm not sure about the garlic. I don't use it for my son. Although have

read many posts where others do. I'm half Italian so garlic is in almost

every meal. My husband eats more garlic than anyone else on the planet, I

think. I tell him it must mean his body needs it desperately.

Fraleigh is the one who posted she uses the garlic. -

Re: 's post on antifungals, yeast fighter and

probiotics

>

>

> Garlic is also an antibacterial/antifungal/yeast and viral

treatment. Our family is SCD and it is the only treatment we use for

all of the above and it works brilliantly. I have used it for my

ASD son when I see that his focus is off and he is a bit spacey

(possible yeast symptom.) I give it in capsules at night for 3-5

days and increase our yogurt consumption and he really responds well

to that

> > >

HI ALLISON,

CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH GARLIC AND WHAT BRAND? AS I BELEIVE SOME

ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. ALSO HOW FAR APART FROM OTHER SUPPLEMENTS IF

YOU ARE USING ANY? THANKS FOR INPUT OUR FAMILY SWEARS BY GARLIC FOR

ITS PROPERTIES BUT I HAVE NOT USED IT WITH MY BOYS YET.

> >

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[Guest guest]

We also used Oil of Oregano, Yeast Aid, and Candidase. I do not know

the amount of Uva Ursi we used, as my wife always handled the

antifungal department. I do know that you cannot use that for an

extended period of time. We rotated antifungals, so I do not know

which ones were the most effective. I think that Diflucan is extremely

powerful, even more so if you get it without sugar in the mix.

I think that all kids have different things that are going to be

effective with them from my experience with other parents, so we had

a lot of trial and error. Rotating antiungals worked for us. I can

say that Nystatin was about the only antifungal that we used that did

not do much for us. We saw yeast die off reactions with all of the

antifungals we tried. Some were more potent than others in our son,

but may not do much for other kids.

Even though OLE is a natural antifungal, it does not work well as one

because it stirs up so much yeast from viral die off, so do not count

this as a natural AF, or you will be sorry! We found this out the

hard way.

>

> ,

> I read you used GSE and Uva Ursi.

>

> What other natural antifungal is effective?

> How much of Uva Ursi you used?

> After 2 years at this I havent found an antifungal

> as effective as Diflucan, or I think I havnt found

> the right dosage.

>

> Thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

We also used Oil of Oregano, Yeast Aid, and Candidase. I do not know

the amount of Uva Ursi we used, as my wife always handled the

antifungal department. I do know that you cannot use that for an

extended period of time. We rotated antifungals, so I do not know

which ones were the most effective. I think that Diflucan is extremely

powerful, even more so if you get it without sugar in the mix.

I think that all kids have different things that are going to be

effective with them from my experience with other parents, so we had

a lot of trial and error. Rotating antiungals worked for us. I can

say that Nystatin was about the only antifungal that we used that did

not do much for us. We saw yeast die off reactions with all of the

antifungals we tried. Some were more potent than others in our son,

but may not do much for other kids.

Even though OLE is a natural antifungal, it does not work well as one

because it stirs up so much yeast from viral die off, so do not count

this as a natural AF, or you will be sorry! We found this out the

hard way.

>

> ,

> I read you used GSE and Uva Ursi.

>

> What other natural antifungal is effective?

> How much of Uva Ursi you used?

> After 2 years at this I havent found an antifungal

> as effective as Diflucan, or I think I havnt found

> the right dosage.

>

> Thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was doing antifungals at night on an empty stomach probiotics by day and

Valtrex three

times a day. There are claims that OLE kills off fungus and bacteria, but it

has not been my

observation.

- Stan

>

> Curious about all of these together, does it make sense to do the

Nizoral/Difulcan

antifungals early in the day and then add in the antivirals throughout day with

probiotic at

night. I had read that both enzymes (Virastop is an enzyme) and antifungals

would kill

probiotics (can't remember where I saw this). Does anyone have thoughts on this?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was doing antifungals at night on an empty stomach probiotics by day and

Valtrex three

times a day. There are claims that OLE kills off fungus and bacteria, but it

has not been my

observation.

- Stan

>

> Curious about all of these together, does it make sense to do the

Nizoral/Difulcan

antifungals early in the day and then add in the antivirals throughout day with

probiotic at

night. I had read that both enzymes (Virastop is an enzyme) and antifungals

would kill

probiotics (can't remember where I saw this). Does anyone have thoughts on this?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not , but yes, antifungals and probiotics should be given at diffferent

times of the day

on an empty stomach to be most effective. Any food or supplement could be

effected by a

probiotic. Bacteria will feed on food, or supplements if it has the

opportunity.

- Stan

> > >

> > > Curious about all of these together, does it make sense to do the

> > Nizoral/Difulcan antifungals early in the day and then add in the

> > antivirals throughout day with probiotic at night. I had read that

> > both enzymes (Virastop is an enzyme) and antifungals would kill

> > probiotics (can't remember where I saw this). Does anyone have

> > thoughts on this?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Not , but yes, antifungals and probiotics should be given at diffferent

times of the day

on an empty stomach to be most effective. Any food or supplement could be

effected by a

probiotic. Bacteria will feed on food, or supplements if it has the

opportunity.

- Stan

> > >

> > > Curious about all of these together, does it make sense to do the

> > Nizoral/Difulcan antifungals early in the day and then add in the

> > antivirals throughout day with probiotic at night. I had read that

> > both enzymes (Virastop is an enzyme) and antifungals would kill

> > probiotics (can't remember where I saw this). Does anyone have

> > thoughts on this?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

From what I understand they mixed up disodium EDTA with calcium EDTA, but I

don't

know if it was a pharmacy mistake or the doctors. Somewhere in my email is an

article

about it. I'll look for it.

- Stan

> > >

> > > Curious about all of these together, does it make sense to do

> the

> > Nizoral/Difulcan antifungals early in the day and then add in the

> > antivirals throughout day with probiotic at night. I had read that

> > both enzymes (Virastop is an enzyme) and antifungals would kill

> > probiotics (can't remember where I saw this). Does anyone have

> > thoughts on this?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

From what I understand they mixed up disodium EDTA with calcium EDTA, but I

don't

know if it was a pharmacy mistake or the doctors. Somewhere in my email is an

article

about it. I'll look for it.

- Stan

> > >

> > > Curious about all of these together, does it make sense to do

> the

> > Nizoral/Difulcan antifungals early in the day and then add in the

> > antivirals throughout day with probiotic at night. I had read that

> > both enzymes (Virastop is an enzyme) and antifungals would kill

> > probiotics (can't remember where I saw this). Does anyone have

> > thoughts on this?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

From what I understand they mixed up disodium EDTA with calcium EDTA, but I

don't

know if it was a pharmacy mistake or the doctors. Somewhere in my email is an

article

about it. I'll look for it.

- Stan

> > >

> > > Curious about all of these together, does it make sense to do

> the

> > Nizoral/Difulcan antifungals early in the day and then add in the

> > antivirals throughout day with probiotic at night. I had read that

> > both enzymes (Virastop is an enzyme) and antifungals would kill

> > probiotics (can't remember where I saw this). Does anyone have

> > thoughts on this?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with practically everything you are observing.

The only thing you may want to consider is doing an OATs test from time to time

to see if

the main bacterias and funguses are in check. This way you can really confirm

all is well

down there.

This fungal and bacterial reaction we see with our kids is actually quite

unique. It doesn't

happen in adults with STD herpes according the the responses from two of the

largest STD

herpes list servs and the Valtrex PDR.

That said, there may be some children who could benefit from Valtrex or OLE that

don't

show with yeast flares, but in my experience it's not typically the case.

Typically there is

something about this process that kicks up yeast and in a mean way. We have

evidence

that Valtrex helps in the metals detox process, and that might fall into your

comment

about metals detox causing flairs. Some people believe that the virus

struggling (viral

activation) and the immune system response causes the immune system to not focus

so

much on intestiinal flora. Really, I don't think we know yet, but those seem to

be good

guesses IMO.

That said, yeast is a real nasty think and we didn't start off talking about

using antifungals

so much, but I do now. Early on we were talking about Valtrex by itself we

consistently

saw what looked like yeast flairs that where improved with an antifungal. OLE

seems

similar. In some ways it " sounds " like the flares may be more signficant. But

that's just

how it sounds in writing to me, I can't tell. That could be a good thing. Time

will tell.

Hope that helps.

- Stan

> > >

> > > Curious about all of these together, does it make sense to do the

> > Nizoral/Difulcan antifungals early in the day and then add in the

> > antivirals throughout day with probiotic at night. I had read that

> > both enzymes (Virastop is an enzyme) and antifungals would kill

> > probiotics (can't remember where I saw this). Does anyone have

> > thoughts on this?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with practically everything you are observing.

The only thing you may want to consider is doing an OATs test from time to time

to see if

the main bacterias and funguses are in check. This way you can really confirm

all is well

down there.

This fungal and bacterial reaction we see with our kids is actually quite

unique. It doesn't

happen in adults with STD herpes according the the responses from two of the

largest STD

herpes list servs and the Valtrex PDR.

That said, there may be some children who could benefit from Valtrex or OLE that

don't

show with yeast flares, but in my experience it's not typically the case.

Typically there is

something about this process that kicks up yeast and in a mean way. We have

evidence

that Valtrex helps in the metals detox process, and that might fall into your

comment

about metals detox causing flairs. Some people believe that the virus

struggling (viral

activation) and the immune system response causes the immune system to not focus

so

much on intestiinal flora. Really, I don't think we know yet, but those seem to

be good

guesses IMO.

That said, yeast is a real nasty think and we didn't start off talking about

using antifungals

so much, but I do now. Early on we were talking about Valtrex by itself we

consistently

saw what looked like yeast flairs that where improved with an antifungal. OLE

seems

similar. In some ways it " sounds " like the flares may be more signficant. But

that's just

how it sounds in writing to me, I can't tell. That could be a good thing. Time

will tell.

Hope that helps.

- Stan

> > >

> > > Curious about all of these together, does it make sense to do the

> > Nizoral/Difulcan antifungals early in the day and then add in the

> > antivirals throughout day with probiotic at night. I had read that

> > both enzymes (Virastop is an enzyme) and antifungals would kill

> > probiotics (can't remember where I saw this). Does anyone have

> > thoughts on this?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

There is one other thing that the body's digestive enzymes do. They help break

down

viruses, the same way that Virastop does. One of my theroys about gut problems

is that

chronic viral infection actually lessens the digestive enzymes available to

break down food.

If that's true, it may take antiviral therapy to normalize some of our

children's guts.

Just my opinion, but you can quote me on that.

- Stan

>

>

> > It is my understanding that Virastop does not harm the bacteria of

> > probiotics. Virastop digests the protein sheath of viruses--it is

> > an enzyme. Enzymes, like VS and Candex, are very particular, and VS

> > is formulated for proteins. If probiotics couldn't withstand

> > enzymes, taking probiotics would be of no use to us because we have

> > enzymes in us working all the time.

> >

>

> I am not a Virastop expert, but I thought that since Virastop is

> formulated for proteins, and bacteria is composed of proteins couldn't

> they interfere with each other? I may be dead wrong on this one. I

> am going to have to do some research on this. Maybe it is formulated

> to somehow avoid them (probiotics)? Regardless, I do not think that I

> would give them together in our case although spacing them out should

> not hurt.

>

> Also, there are several types of enzymes in our bodies that have

> several different functions. Good bacteria (or probiotics) in our

> body actually produces enzymes. They all have their purpose, and

> while one child may benefit from one enzyme, another may not.

>

> Digestive enzymes help break down foods. Some kids (like mine) can

> avoid special diets using these. One thing that my wife and I noticed

> is that many doctors will prescribe a standard set of digestive

> enzymes without testing. I do not necessarily agree with this. The

> problem is that one child may require one enzyme and other children

> may require others depending on what they are have difficulty in

> digesting.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is one other thing that the body's digestive enzymes do. They help break

down

viruses, the same way that Virastop does. One of my theroys about gut problems

is that

chronic viral infection actually lessens the digestive enzymes available to

break down food.

If that's true, it may take antiviral therapy to normalize some of our

children's guts.

Just my opinion, but you can quote me on that.

- Stan

>

>

> > It is my understanding that Virastop does not harm the bacteria of

> > probiotics. Virastop digests the protein sheath of viruses--it is

> > an enzyme. Enzymes, like VS and Candex, are very particular, and VS

> > is formulated for proteins. If probiotics couldn't withstand

> > enzymes, taking probiotics would be of no use to us because we have

> > enzymes in us working all the time.

> >

>

> I am not a Virastop expert, but I thought that since Virastop is

> formulated for proteins, and bacteria is composed of proteins couldn't

> they interfere with each other? I may be dead wrong on this one. I

> am going to have to do some research on this. Maybe it is formulated

> to somehow avoid them (probiotics)? Regardless, I do not think that I

> would give them together in our case although spacing them out should

> not hurt.

>

> Also, there are several types of enzymes in our bodies that have

> several different functions. Good bacteria (or probiotics) in our

> body actually produces enzymes. They all have their purpose, and

> while one child may benefit from one enzyme, another may not.

>

> Digestive enzymes help break down foods. Some kids (like mine) can

> avoid special diets using these. One thing that my wife and I noticed

> is that many doctors will prescribe a standard set of digestive

> enzymes without testing. I do not necessarily agree with this. The

> problem is that one child may require one enzyme and other children

> may require others depending on what they are have difficulty in

> digesting.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please folks, don't fall into this trap. I like cheap, but sometimes cheap (and

expensive)

things can be really bad for you. Thimerosal is cheaper than 2-hydroxyethanol

and it may

work better as far as its preservative properties, but the potential toxicity

obviously

overshadows the benefits.

- Stan

>

>

> Next time the whole family is sick you will have to do a coliodial silver

trial with 1/2 the

family and garlic trial with the other 1/2. I love it because it is so " cheap "

and effective.

How often can you say that. Haha

>

> Re: 's post on antifungals, yeast fighter and

probiotics

>

>

> OK, now you guys are getting me to want to buy some garlic out of

> sheer curiousity.

>

> > HI ALLISON,

> > CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH GARLIC AND WHAT BRAND? AS I BELEIVE SOME

> > ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. ALSO HOW FAR APART FROM OTHER SUPPLEMENTS

> IF

> > YOU ARE USING ANY? THANKS FOR INPUT OUR FAMILY SWEARS BY GARLIC

> FOR

> > ITS PROPERTIES BUT I HAVE NOT USED IT WITH MY BOYS YET.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Please folks, don't fall into this trap. I like cheap, but sometimes cheap (and

expensive)

things can be really bad for you. Thimerosal is cheaper than 2-hydroxyethanol

and it may

work better as far as its preservative properties, but the potential toxicity

obviously

overshadows the benefits.

- Stan

>

>

> Next time the whole family is sick you will have to do a coliodial silver

trial with 1/2 the

family and garlic trial with the other 1/2. I love it because it is so " cheap "

and effective.

How often can you say that. Haha

>

> Re: 's post on antifungals, yeast fighter and

probiotics

>

>

> OK, now you guys are getting me to want to buy some garlic out of

> sheer curiousity.

>

> > HI ALLISON,

> > CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH GARLIC AND WHAT BRAND? AS I BELEIVE SOME

> > ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. ALSO HOW FAR APART FROM OTHER SUPPLEMENTS

> IF

> > YOU ARE USING ANY? THANKS FOR INPUT OUR FAMILY SWEARS BY GARLIC

> FOR

> > ITS PROPERTIES BUT I HAVE NOT USED IT WITH MY BOYS YET.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

This argument makes complete and total sense to me. Notice when we

are sick our appetite goes way down, we feel nauseous, lethargic and

achy. Its the immune system giving all that its got to rid itself of

the virus/ bacteria. People also say, keep the stomach light,

meaning don't put too much food in it. You are right your taste buds

are off, your tongue is coated and does your mouth smell foul. It

might help to push more nutritious food, more fluids and lower

calories when you are fighting a virus. Then, when you start to get

better and recuperate is when you eat more and heavier and harder to

digest foods.

Which sort of suggests to me that it might help to take breaks

during a anti-viral protocol, just that you don't drive the immune

system so far down that you have a hard time picking up the pieces.

The time in between could be used to get methylation and sulphur

supports up, clean up and nourish the gut, get the engine purring so

to speak. Will depend immensely on the viral load and the strength

of the immune system. Actually a longish regression that you don't

seem to be able to snap out of should be a marker - as in chelation.

This happened to us and so I know. We needed to get the methylation

going again and that was what got the cognitive gains.

Gayatri

Some people believe that the virus struggling (viral

> activation) and the immune system response causes the immune

system to not focus so

> much on intestiinal flora. Really, I don't think we know yet, but

those seem to be good

> guesses IMO.

> - Stan

>

[Guest guest]

This argument makes complete and total sense to me. Notice when we

are sick our appetite goes way down, we feel nauseous, lethargic and

achy. Its the immune system giving all that its got to rid itself of

the virus/ bacteria. People also say, keep the stomach light,

meaning don't put too much food in it. You are right your taste buds

are off, your tongue is coated and does your mouth smell foul. It

might help to push more nutritious food, more fluids and lower

calories when you are fighting a virus. Then, when you start to get

better and recuperate is when you eat more and heavier and harder to

digest foods.

Which sort of suggests to me that it might help to take breaks

during a anti-viral protocol, just that you don't drive the immune

system so far down that you have a hard time picking up the pieces.

The time in between could be used to get methylation and sulphur

supports up, clean up and nourish the gut, get the engine purring so

to speak. Will depend immensely on the viral load and the strength

of the immune system. Actually a longish regression that you don't

seem to be able to snap out of should be a marker - as in chelation.

This happened to us and so I know. We needed to get the methylation

going again and that was what got the cognitive gains.

Gayatri

Some people believe that the virus struggling (viral

> activation) and the immune system response causes the immune

system to not focus so

> much on intestiinal flora. Really, I don't think we know yet, but

those seem to be good

> guesses IMO.

> - Stan

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I strongly believe you need antifungals onboard with Valtrex.

- Stan

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try to

> > > clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were already

> > > closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing.

> > >

> > > I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful.

> But,

> > > by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you

> are

> > > keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system. If

> > the

> > > VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad shape

> > by

> > > the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad shape

> > > during the protocol--ugh).

> > >

> > > I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if

> we

> > > stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely

> quickly.

> > > Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses makes

> > them

> > > monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little

> > > buggers who need constant shoring up.

> > >

> > > To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always

> > recommend

> > > Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to

> the

> > > good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a

> > > tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate

> > controversy

> > > is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal, but

> of

> > > course its mechanism is much different than other OTC

> antifungals

> > > and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk

> > about

> > > antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.

> > >

> > > This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

> > >

> > > Anita

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I strongly believe you need antifungals onboard with Valtrex.

- Stan

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try to

> > > clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were already

> > > closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing.

> > >

> > > I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful.

> But,

> > > by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you

> are

> > > keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system. If

> > the

> > > VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad shape

> > by

> > > the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad shape

> > > during the protocol--ugh).

> > >

> > > I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if

> we

> > > stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely

> quickly.

> > > Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses makes

> > them

> > > monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little

> > > buggers who need constant shoring up.

> > >

> > > To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always

> > recommend

> > > Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to

> the

> > > good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a

> > > tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate

> > controversy

> > > is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal, but

> of

> > > course its mechanism is much different than other OTC

> antifungals

> > > and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk

> > about

> > > antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.

> > >

> > > This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

> > >

> > > Anita

> >

>

[Guest guest]

There are several natural products people are playing with right now, but we

have the

most experience and recoveries from using Diflucan, Nizoral, or Amphotericin B.

- Stan

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > >

> > > > I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try

> to

> > > > clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were

> already

> > > > closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing.

> > > >

> > > > I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful.

> > But,

> > > > by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you

> > are

> > > > keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system.

> If

> > > the

> > > > VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad

> shape

> > > by

> > > > the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad

> shape

> > > > during the protocol--ugh).

> > > >

> > > > I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if

> > we

> > > > stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely

> > quickly.

> > > > Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses

> makes

> > > them

> > > > monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little

> > > > buggers who need constant shoring up.

> > > >

> > > > To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always

> > > recommend

> > > > Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to

> > the

> > > > good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a

> > > > tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate

> > > controversy

> > > > is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal,

> but

> > of

> > > > course its mechanism is much different than other OTC

> > antifungals

> > > > and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk

> > > about

> > > > antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.

> > > >

> > > > This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

> > > >

> > > > Anita

> > >

> >

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