Re: 's post on antifungals, yeast fighter and probiotics

[Guest guest]

> It is my understanding that Virastop does not harm the bacteria of

> probiotics. Virastop digests the protein sheath of viruses--it is

> an enzyme. Enzymes, like VS and Candex, are very particular, and VS

> is formulated for proteins. If probiotics couldn't withstand

> enzymes, taking probiotics would be of no use to us because we have

> enzymes in us working all the time.

>

I am not a Virastop expert, but I thought that since Virastop is

formulated for proteins, and bacteria is composed of proteins couldn't

they interfere with each other? I may be dead wrong on this one. I

am going to have to do some research on this. Maybe it is formulated

to somehow avoid them (probiotics)? Regardless, I do not think that I

would give them together in our case although spacing them out should

not hurt.

Also, there are several types of enzymes in our bodies that have

several different functions. Good bacteria (or probiotics) in our

body actually produces enzymes. They all have their purpose, and

while one child may benefit from one enzyme, another may not.

Digestive enzymes help break down foods. Some kids (like mine) can

avoid special diets using these. One thing that my wife and I noticed

is that many doctors will prescribe a standard set of digestive

enzymes without testing. I do not necessarily agree with this. The

problem is that one child may require one enzyme and other children

may require others depending on what they are have difficulty in

digesting.

[Guest guest]

,

I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try to

clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were already

closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing.

I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful. But,

by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you are

keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system. If the

VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad shape by

the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad shape

during the protocol--ugh).

I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if we

stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely quickly.

Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses makes them

monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little

buggers who need constant shoring up.

To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always recommend

Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to the

good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a

tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate controversy

is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal, but of

course its mechanism is much different than other OTC antifungals

and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk about

antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.

This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

Anita

>

>

> > It is my understanding that Virastop does not harm the bacteria

of

> > probiotics. Virastop digests the protein sheath of viruses--it

is

> > an enzyme. Enzymes, like VS and Candex, are very particular,

and VS

> > is formulated for proteins. If probiotics couldn't withstand

> > enzymes, taking probiotics would be of no use to us because we

have

> > enzymes in us working all the time.

> >

>

> I am not a Virastop expert, but I thought that since Virastop is

> formulated for proteins, and bacteria is composed of proteins

couldn't

> they interfere with each other? I may be dead wrong on this one.

I

> am going to have to do some research on this. Maybe it is

formulated

> to somehow avoid them (probiotics)? Regardless, I do not think

that I

> would give them together in our case although spacing them out

should

> not hurt.

>

> Also, there are several types of enzymes in our bodies that have

> several different functions. Good bacteria (or probiotics) in our

> body actually produces enzymes. They all have their purpose, and

> while one child may benefit from one enzyme, another may not.

>

> Digestive enzymes help break down foods. Some kids (like mine)

can

> avoid special diets using these. One thing that my wife and I

noticed

> is that many doctors will prescribe a standard set of digestive

> enzymes without testing. I do not necessarily agree with this.

The

> problem is that one child may require one enzyme and other

children

> may require others depending on what they are have difficulty in

> digesting.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try to

clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were already

closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing.

I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful. But,

by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you are

keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system. If the

VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad shape by

the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad shape

during the protocol--ugh).

I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if we

stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely quickly.

Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses makes them

monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little

buggers who need constant shoring up.

To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always recommend

Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to the

good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a

tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate controversy

is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal, but of

course its mechanism is much different than other OTC antifungals

and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk about

antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.

This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

Anita

>

>

> > It is my understanding that Virastop does not harm the bacteria

of

> > probiotics. Virastop digests the protein sheath of viruses--it

is

> > an enzyme. Enzymes, like VS and Candex, are very particular,

and VS

> > is formulated for proteins. If probiotics couldn't withstand

> > enzymes, taking probiotics would be of no use to us because we

have

> > enzymes in us working all the time.

> >

>

> I am not a Virastop expert, but I thought that since Virastop is

> formulated for proteins, and bacteria is composed of proteins

couldn't

> they interfere with each other? I may be dead wrong on this one.

I

> am going to have to do some research on this. Maybe it is

formulated

> to somehow avoid them (probiotics)? Regardless, I do not think

that I

> would give them together in our case although spacing them out

should

> not hurt.

>

> Also, there are several types of enzymes in our bodies that have

> several different functions. Good bacteria (or probiotics) in our

> body actually produces enzymes. They all have their purpose, and

> while one child may benefit from one enzyme, another may not.

>

> Digestive enzymes help break down foods. Some kids (like mine)

can

> avoid special diets using these. One thing that my wife and I

noticed

> is that many doctors will prescribe a standard set of digestive

> enzymes without testing. I do not necessarily agree with this.

The

> problem is that one child may require one enzyme and other

children

> may require others depending on what they are have difficulty in

> digesting.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Garlic is also an antibacterial/antifungal/yeast and viral

treatment. Our family is SCD and it is the only treatment we use for

all of the above and it works brilliantly. I have used it for my

ASD son when I see that his focus is off and he is a bit spacey

(possible yeast symptom.) I give it in capsules at night for 3-5

days and increase our yogurt consumption and he really responds well

to that

> > >

HI ALLISON,

CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH GARLIC AND WHAT BRAND? AS I BELEIVE SOME

ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. ALSO HOW FAR APART FROM OTHER SUPPLEMENTS IF

YOU ARE USING ANY? THANKS FOR INPUT OUR FAMILY SWEARS BY GARLIC FOR

ITS PROPERTIES BUT I HAVE NOT USED IT WITH MY BOYS YET.

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[Guest guest]

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>

> Garlic is also an antibacterial/antifungal/yeast and viral

treatment. Our family is SCD and it is the only treatment we use for

all of the above and it works brilliantly. I have used it for my

ASD son when I see that his focus is off and he is a bit spacey

(possible yeast symptom.) I give it in capsules at night for 3-5

days and increase our yogurt consumption and he really responds well

to that

> > >

HI ALLISON,

CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH GARLIC AND WHAT BRAND? AS I BELEIVE SOME

ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. ALSO HOW FAR APART FROM OTHER SUPPLEMENTS IF

YOU ARE USING ANY? THANKS FOR INPUT OUR FAMILY SWEARS BY GARLIC FOR

ITS PROPERTIES BUT I HAVE NOT USED IT WITH MY BOYS YET.

> >

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[Guest guest]

>

>

> Garlic is also an antibacterial/antifungal/yeast and viral

treatment. Our family is SCD and it is the only treatment we use for

all of the above and it works brilliantly. I have used it for my

ASD son when I see that his focus is off and he is a bit spacey

(possible yeast symptom.) I give it in capsules at night for 3-5

days and increase our yogurt consumption and he really responds well

to that

> > >

HI ALLISON,

CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH GARLIC AND WHAT BRAND? AS I BELEIVE SOME

ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. ALSO HOW FAR APART FROM OTHER SUPPLEMENTS IF

YOU ARE USING ANY? THANKS FOR INPUT OUR FAMILY SWEARS BY GARLIC FOR

ITS PROPERTIES BUT I HAVE NOT USED IT WITH MY BOYS YET.

> >

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[Guest guest]

Excellent! Thanks for looking into that. Let us know what you find

out. This is kind of important info for people that still want (or

need) to give probiotics with VS. Since we did not give them

together, we never worried about it, and we only added VS with the

second round of antivirals. I think that the VS is suppressing some

regressive behaviors, because I have been seeing good gains with

little regression. We are also using Candidase now as well.

I think we did get some Candex in, but we have not tried it yet. I

agree with you, antifungals are all so different in their own way,

and we did a lot of rotation. I really did not think before I typed

in my first post since we stuck to the natural AFs.

> This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

I was thinking the same thing. Let's do lunch?

>

> ,

>

> I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try to

> clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were already

> closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing.

>

> I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful. But,

> by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you are

> keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system. If

the

> VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad shape

by

> the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad shape

> during the protocol--ugh).

>

> I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if we

> stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely quickly.

> Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses makes

them

> monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little

> buggers who need constant shoring up.

>

> To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always

recommend

> Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to the

> good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a

> tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate

controversy

> is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal, but of

> course its mechanism is much different than other OTC antifungals

> and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk

about

> antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.

>

> This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

>

> Anita

[Guest guest]

Excellent! Thanks for looking into that. Let us know what you find

out. This is kind of important info for people that still want (or

need) to give probiotics with VS. Since we did not give them

together, we never worried about it, and we only added VS with the

second round of antivirals. I think that the VS is suppressing some

regressive behaviors, because I have been seeing good gains with

little regression. We are also using Candidase now as well.

I think we did get some Candex in, but we have not tried it yet. I

agree with you, antifungals are all so different in their own way,

and we did a lot of rotation. I really did not think before I typed

in my first post since we stuck to the natural AFs.

> This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

I was thinking the same thing. Let's do lunch?

>

> ,

>

> I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try to

> clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were already

> closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing.

>

> I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful. But,

> by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you are

> keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system. If

the

> VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad shape

by

> the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad shape

> during the protocol--ugh).

>

> I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if we

> stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely quickly.

> Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses makes

them

> monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little

> buggers who need constant shoring up.

>

> To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always

recommend

> Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to the

> good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a

> tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate

controversy

> is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal, but of

> course its mechanism is much different than other OTC antifungals

> and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk

about

> antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.

>

> This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

>

> Anita

[Guest guest]

OK, now you guys are getting me to want to buy some garlic out of

sheer curiousity.

> HI ALLISON,

> CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH GARLIC AND WHAT BRAND? AS I BELEIVE SOME

> ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. ALSO HOW FAR APART FROM OTHER SUPPLEMENTS

IF

> YOU ARE USING ANY? THANKS FOR INPUT OUR FAMILY SWEARS BY GARLIC

FOR

> ITS PROPERTIES BUT I HAVE NOT USED IT WITH MY BOYS YET.

> > >

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> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

OK, now you guys are getting me to want to buy some garlic out of

sheer curiousity.

> HI ALLISON,

> CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH GARLIC AND WHAT BRAND? AS I BELEIVE SOME

> ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. ALSO HOW FAR APART FROM OTHER SUPPLEMENTS

IF

> YOU ARE USING ANY? THANKS FOR INPUT OUR FAMILY SWEARS BY GARLIC

FOR

> ITS PROPERTIES BUT I HAVE NOT USED IT WITH MY BOYS YET.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

> I am not a Virastop expert, but I thought that since Virastop is

> formulated for proteins, and bacteria is composed of proteins

couldn't

> they interfere with each other?

In my experience they haven't. My ds takes all of his supplements at

the same time including VS, OLE, and two different probiotics. We

haven't noticed any decrease in effect of any yeast flare ups. My ds

is making great social gains since starting the VS and OLE.

[Guest guest]

> I am not a Virastop expert, but I thought that since Virastop is

> formulated for proteins, and bacteria is composed of proteins

couldn't

> they interfere with each other?

In my experience they haven't. My ds takes all of his supplements at

the same time including VS, OLE, and two different probiotics. We

haven't noticed any decrease in effect of any yeast flare ups. My ds

is making great social gains since starting the VS and OLE.

[Guest guest]

Next time the whole family is sick you will have to do a coliodial silver trial with 1/2 the family and garlic trial with the other 1/2. I love it because it is so "cheap" and effective. How often can you say that. Haha

Re: 's post on antifungals, yeast fighter and probiotics

OK, now you guys are getting me to want to buy some garlic out of sheer curiousity.> HI ALLISON,> CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH GARLIC AND WHAT BRAND? AS I BELEIVE SOME > ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. ALSO HOW FAR APART FROM OTHER SUPPLEMENTS IF > YOU ARE USING ANY? THANKS FOR INPUT OUR FAMILY SWEARS BY GARLIC FOR > ITS PROPERTIES BUT I HAVE NOT USED IT WITH MY BOYS YET. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Next time the whole family is sick you will have to do a coliodial silver trial with 1/2 the family and garlic trial with the other 1/2. I love it because it is so "cheap" and effective. How often can you say that. Haha

Re: 's post on antifungals, yeast fighter and probiotics

OK, now you guys are getting me to want to buy some garlic out of sheer curiousity.> HI ALLISON,> CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH GARLIC AND WHAT BRAND? AS I BELEIVE SOME > ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS. ALSO HOW FAR APART FROM OTHER SUPPLEMENTS IF > YOU ARE USING ANY? THANKS FOR INPUT OUR FAMILY SWEARS BY GARLIC FOR > ITS PROPERTIES BUT I HAVE NOT USED IT WITH MY BOYS YET. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I guess we are waiting back in on the Pro B info, but still would

like to ask a viral protocol question in the meantime. Although

curious to see what may be different than the way I have learned its

role.

Ok..As in my original question, I always cause trouble asking Q's

that lead to other Questions. That usually works out good cause we

all can learn. .But bare with me please cause its like I have to

relearn this all over again. And now since I would like to implement

a protocol to see if my son may be a responder im a little confused

how to go about that with proper support. So I would like to back up

a min and go back to my original question that had asked you viral

folks to clarify this

My original Question

Can you please share if you now of any families who have used OLE,

Virastop or Valtrex without an antifungal in place? ( Perhaps just

probiotics)

Please share your experience as related to yeast flare-ups.

In what you are saying would it be mandatory or do you think some

may get by without an antifungal , perhaps their gut already was in

good shape?

Bonus

Do you see that also implementing digestive enzymes would be a good

idea/ or maybe not?

Thanks you all for anything you bring to the table.

Btw is anyone available for lunch?

I promise nothing yeasty on the menu, we can do nice garden salad,

plenty of raw veggies with lots of natural enzymes.

Kenny V

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try to

> > clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were already

> > closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing.

> >

> > I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful.

But,

> > by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you

are

> > keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system. If

> the

> > VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad shape

> by

> > the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad shape

> > during the protocol--ugh).

> >

> > I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if

we

> > stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely

quickly.

> > Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses makes

> them

> > monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little

> > buggers who need constant shoring up.

> >

> > To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always

> recommend

> > Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to

the

> > good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a

> > tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate

> controversy

> > is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal, but

of

> > course its mechanism is much different than other OTC

antifungals

> > and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk

> about

> > antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.

> >

> > This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

> >

> > Anita

>

[Guest guest]

I guess we are waiting back in on the Pro B info, but still would

like to ask a viral protocol question in the meantime. Although

curious to see what may be different than the way I have learned its

role.

Ok..As in my original question, I always cause trouble asking Q's

that lead to other Questions. That usually works out good cause we

all can learn. .But bare with me please cause its like I have to

relearn this all over again. And now since I would like to implement

a protocol to see if my son may be a responder im a little confused

how to go about that with proper support. So I would like to back up

a min and go back to my original question that had asked you viral

folks to clarify this

My original Question

Can you please share if you now of any families who have used OLE,

Virastop or Valtrex without an antifungal in place? ( Perhaps just

probiotics)

Please share your experience as related to yeast flare-ups.

In what you are saying would it be mandatory or do you think some

may get by without an antifungal , perhaps their gut already was in

good shape?

Bonus

Do you see that also implementing digestive enzymes would be a good

idea/ or maybe not?

Thanks you all for anything you bring to the table.

Btw is anyone available for lunch?

I promise nothing yeasty on the menu, we can do nice garden salad,

plenty of raw veggies with lots of natural enzymes.

Kenny V

> >

> > ,

> >

> > I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try to

> > clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were already

> > closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing.

> >

> > I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful.

But,

> > by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you

are

> > keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system. If

> the

> > VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad shape

> by

> > the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad shape

> > during the protocol--ugh).

> >

> > I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if

we

> > stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely

quickly.

> > Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses makes

> them

> > monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little

> > buggers who need constant shoring up.

> >

> > To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always

> recommend

> > Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to

the

> > good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a

> > tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate

> controversy

> > is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal, but

of

> > course its mechanism is much different than other OTC

antifungals

> > and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk

> about

> > antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.

> >

> > This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

> >

> > Anita

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try

to

> > > clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were

already

> > > closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing.

> > >

> > > I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful.

> But,

> > > by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you

> are

> > > keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system.

If

> > the

> > > VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad

shape

> > by

> > > the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad

shape

> > > during the protocol--ugh).

> > >

> > > I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if

> we

> > > stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely

> quickly.

> > > Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses

makes

> > them

> > > monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little

> > > buggers who need constant shoring up.

> > >

> > > To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always

> > recommend

> > > Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to

> the

> > > good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a

> > > tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate

> > controversy

> > > is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal,

but

> of

> > > course its mechanism is much different than other OTC

> antifungals

> > > and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk

> > about

> > > antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.

> > >

> > > This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

> > >

> > > Anita

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try

to

> > > clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were

already

> > > closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing.

> > >

> > > I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful.

> But,

> > > by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you

> are

> > > keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system.

If

> > the

> > > VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad

shape

> > by

> > > the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad

shape

> > > during the protocol--ugh).

> > >

> > > I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if

> we

> > > stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely

> quickly.

> > > Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses

makes

> > them

> > > monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little

> > > buggers who need constant shoring up.

> > >

> > > To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always

> > recommend

> > > Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to

> the

> > > good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a

> > > tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate

> > controversy

> > > is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal,

but

> of

> > > course its mechanism is much different than other OTC

> antifungals

> > > and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk

> > about

> > > antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.

> > >

> > > This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

> > >

> > > Anita

> >

>

[Guest guest]

--- THanks ,

I am spacing them apart by bout an hour. perhaps I need to separate

more. I will try your strategy. We originally started taking allicin

( a garlic deritive) to fight clostridia.

THanks again

mb12 valtrex , " Chap 'n Ali " <chapnalli@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Tracey,

> Not but...Probiotics give good bacteria and antifungals

take it

> away. So they should be given a couple of hours apart. I too have

problems

> getting my son to drink this many times per day. I can't take away the

> probiotics while giving antifungals though because I notice softer

stool if

> I miss the probiotic. As for garlic I thought it, like the OLE, is

not an

> antifungal but an antiviral which would kick up yeast not get rid of

it. I

> hope this helped. I give antifungals and antivirals together at

breakfast,

> after school and again at bedtime. I give the probiotic with dinner.

> -

>

> Re: 's post on antifungals, yeast

fighter and

> probiotics

>

> --,

> OUr DAN naturopath has never warned us against antifungals and

> probiotics. My son is on a higher sdose of Nystatin and he also takes

> a probiotic. aRe you saying they need to be given at diferent times of

> the day. This would be difficult as he takes the Nystatin 3x a day.

> Do you mind sharing who your source was for this info. I would greatly

> appreciate it. As I am not happy that I may be throwing money out the

> window by giving him both at the same time.

> ALso we started my daughter on an antifungal for clostridia and gave

> her nothing else. SHe had a pretty big regression. I am still not sure

> what caused the regression. We only had her on the antifungal for 2

> weeks. We are going to test again to see if we rid her of the

> clostridia. About a week into the treatment we started other

> supplements again. She did not really pull out of the regression until

> about a week after the antifungal ceased. NOw I cannot determine

> attribution. Was it antifungal (garlic) with no supplements, was it

> clostridia die off, was it not supplements. WHo know some times it is

> tricky to determine what causes what.

> ANyway, I appreciate your input and would greatly appreciate it if you

> could tell me how you learned about the antifungals, and probiotics.

> and the amino acids and anti virals.

> THanks a ton!!!

>

> , " scottshoe11 " <shoemaker@> wrote:

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Yes, I did not mean that antifungals and probiotics should be taken

> > together (they should not), just that they are very important to the

> > entire picture. When you are finished with antivirals and

> > antifungals, you should ramp up on the probiotics in a big way so

> > that yeast and bad bacteria do not overtake the gut and the good

> > bacteria has a good chance to establish itself. Many doctors

> > recommending both at different times of the day , but that is not

> > what we did. We were working from very little information when we

> > did this.

> >

> > These things can work against each other, but they are all

> > important. Virastop and antifungals do kill what probiotics

> > contribute. Also, my wife read in a few places that OLE and amino

> > acids work against each other, so we removed aminos during the

> > healing regression while on OLE, and added them back in later.

> >

> > So, to summarize, we removed amino acids and probiotics completely

> > when we started OLE and cranked the antifungals (I wish we would

> > have cranked the antifungals first). When we stopped antivirals &

> > antifungals and cleared the yeast, we cranked the probiotics and

> > resumed amino acids. This worked for us.

> >

> > I do not see anything wrong with giving probiotics, as long as you

> > are not giving them with antifungals at the same time. We just

> > chose not to.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Curious about all of these together, does it make sense to do the

> > Nizoral/Difulcan antifungals early in the day and then add in the

> > antivirals throughout day with probiotic at night. I had read that

> > both enzymes (Virastop is an enzyme) and antifungals would kill

> > probiotics (can't remember where I saw this). Does anyone have

> > thoughts on this?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- THanks ,

I am spacing them apart by bout an hour. perhaps I need to separate

more. I will try your strategy. We originally started taking allicin

( a garlic deritive) to fight clostridia.

THanks again

mb12 valtrex , " Chap 'n Ali " <chapnalli@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Tracey,

> Not but...Probiotics give good bacteria and antifungals

take it

> away. So they should be given a couple of hours apart. I too have

problems

> getting my son to drink this many times per day. I can't take away the

> probiotics while giving antifungals though because I notice softer

stool if

> I miss the probiotic. As for garlic I thought it, like the OLE, is

not an

> antifungal but an antiviral which would kick up yeast not get rid of

it. I

> hope this helped. I give antifungals and antivirals together at

breakfast,

> after school and again at bedtime. I give the probiotic with dinner.

> -

>

> Re: 's post on antifungals, yeast

fighter and

> probiotics

>

> --,

> OUr DAN naturopath has never warned us against antifungals and

> probiotics. My son is on a higher sdose of Nystatin and he also takes

> a probiotic. aRe you saying they need to be given at diferent times of

> the day. This would be difficult as he takes the Nystatin 3x a day.

> Do you mind sharing who your source was for this info. I would greatly

> appreciate it. As I am not happy that I may be throwing money out the

> window by giving him both at the same time.

> ALso we started my daughter on an antifungal for clostridia and gave

> her nothing else. SHe had a pretty big regression. I am still not sure

> what caused the regression. We only had her on the antifungal for 2

> weeks. We are going to test again to see if we rid her of the

> clostridia. About a week into the treatment we started other

> supplements again. She did not really pull out of the regression until

> about a week after the antifungal ceased. NOw I cannot determine

> attribution. Was it antifungal (garlic) with no supplements, was it

> clostridia die off, was it not supplements. WHo know some times it is

> tricky to determine what causes what.

> ANyway, I appreciate your input and would greatly appreciate it if you

> could tell me how you learned about the antifungals, and probiotics.

> and the amino acids and anti virals.

> THanks a ton!!!

>

> , " scottshoe11 " <shoemaker@> wrote:

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Yes, I did not mean that antifungals and probiotics should be taken

> > together (they should not), just that they are very important to the

> > entire picture. When you are finished with antivirals and

> > antifungals, you should ramp up on the probiotics in a big way so

> > that yeast and bad bacteria do not overtake the gut and the good

> > bacteria has a good chance to establish itself. Many doctors

> > recommending both at different times of the day , but that is not

> > what we did. We were working from very little information when we

> > did this.

> >

> > These things can work against each other, but they are all

> > important. Virastop and antifungals do kill what probiotics

> > contribute. Also, my wife read in a few places that OLE and amino

> > acids work against each other, so we removed aminos during the

> > healing regression while on OLE, and added them back in later.

> >

> > So, to summarize, we removed amino acids and probiotics completely

> > when we started OLE and cranked the antifungals (I wish we would

> > have cranked the antifungals first). When we stopped antivirals &

> > antifungals and cleared the yeast, we cranked the probiotics and

> > resumed amino acids. This worked for us.

> >

> > I do not see anything wrong with giving probiotics, as long as you

> > are not giving them with antifungals at the same time. We just

> > chose not to.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Curious about all of these together, does it make sense to do the

> > Nizoral/Difulcan antifungals early in the day and then add in the

> > antivirals throughout day with probiotic at night. I had read that

> > both enzymes (Virastop is an enzyme) and antifungals would kill

> > probiotics (can't remember where I saw this). Does anyone have

> > thoughts on this?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kenny-

We started OLE without antifungals. BIG MISTAKE for us. Yeast

galore from a kid that never had too much of a problem with it. We

added them about a week into it and wished we would have done it

sooner. Learn from our mistake!

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try

to

> > > clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were

already

> > > closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing.

> > >

> > > I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful.

> But,

> > > by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you

> are

> > > keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system.

If

> > the

> > > VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad

shape

> > by

> > > the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad

shape

> > > during the protocol--ugh).

> > >

> > > I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if

> we

> > > stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely

> quickly.

> > > Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses

makes

> > them

> > > monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little

> > > buggers who need constant shoring up.

> > >

> > > To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always

> > recommend

> > > Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to

> the

> > > good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a

> > > tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate

> > controversy

> > > is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal,

but

> of

> > > course its mechanism is much different than other OTC

> antifungals

> > > and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk

> > about

> > > antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.

> > >

> > > This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

> > >

> > > Anita

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kenny-

We started OLE without antifungals. BIG MISTAKE for us. Yeast

galore from a kid that never had too much of a problem with it. We

added them about a week into it and wished we would have done it

sooner. Learn from our mistake!

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try

to

> > > clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were

already

> > > closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing.

> > >

> > > I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful.

> But,

> > > by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you

> are

> > > keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system.

If

> > the

> > > VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad

shape

> > by

> > > the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad

shape

> > > during the protocol--ugh).

> > >

> > > I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if

> we

> > > stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely

> quickly.

> > > Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses

makes

> > them

> > > monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little

> > > buggers who need constant shoring up.

> > >

> > > To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always

> > recommend

> > > Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to

> the

> > > good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a

> > > tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate

> > controversy

> > > is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal,

but

> of

> > > course its mechanism is much different than other OTC

> antifungals

> > > and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk

> > about

> > > antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.

> > >

> > > This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)

> > >

> > > Anita

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Just starting this protocal, and confused and a major newbie...please help?! So...I need an antifungal (i use fire tree bark),and Valtrex (anti-viral)....what is the OLE used for? scottshoe11 <shoemaker@...> wrote: Kenny-We started OLE without antifungals. BIG MISTAKE for us. Yeast galore from a kid that never had too much of a problem with it. We added them about a week into it and wished we would have done it sooner. Learn from our mistake!> > >> > > ,> > > > > > I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try to > > > clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were already > > > closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing. > > > > > > I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful. > But, > > > by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you > are > > > keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system. If > > the > > > VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad shape > > by > > > the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad shape > > > during the protocol--ugh).

> > > > > > I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if > we > > > stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely > quickly. > > > Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses makes > > them > > > monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little > > > buggers who need constant shoring up. > > > > > > To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always > > recommend > > > Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to > the > > > good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a > > > tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate > > controversy > > > is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal, but > of >

> > course its mechanism is much different than other OTC > antifungals > > > and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk > > about > > > antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.> > > > > > This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)> > > > > > Anita> >>

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Just starting this protocal, and confused and a major newbie...please help?! So...I need an antifungal (i use fire tree bark),and Valtrex (anti-viral)....what is the OLE used for? scottshoe11 <shoemaker@...> wrote: Kenny-We started OLE without antifungals. BIG MISTAKE for us. Yeast galore from a kid that never had too much of a problem with it. We added them about a week into it and wished we would have done it sooner. Learn from our mistake!> > >> > > ,> > > > > > I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try to > > > clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were already > > > closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing. > > > > > > I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful. > But, > > > by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you > are > > > keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system. If > > the > > > VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad shape > > by > > > the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad shape > > > during the protocol--ugh).

> > > > > > I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if > we > > > stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely > quickly. > > > Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses makes > > them > > > monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little > > > buggers who need constant shoring up. > > > > > > To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always > > recommend > > > Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to > the > > > good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a > > > tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate > > controversy > > > is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal, but > of >

> > course its mechanism is much different than other OTC > antifungals > > > and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk > > about > > > antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.> > > > > > This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)> > > > > > Anita> >>

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what kind of antifungal do you recommend and how much?

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of scottshoe11Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:32 PMmb12 valtrex Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: 's post on antifungals, yeast fighter and probioticsKenny-We started OLE without antifungals. BIG MISTAKE for us. Yeast galore from a kid that never had too much of a problem with it. We added them about a week into it and wished we would have done it sooner. Learn from our mistake!> > >> > > ,> > > > > > I've written to , who is very informed about VS, to try to > > > clarify this. I tried phoning Enzymedica, but they were already > > > closed. We may be saying pretty close to the same thing. > > > > > > I don't give the VS and the probiotics in the same mouthful. > But, > > > by dosing VS as the company suggests, 3 or 4 times a day, you > are > > > keeping a relatively stable level of the VS in your system. If > > the > > > VS was killing the good bacteria, one would be in very sad shape > > by > > > the end of the antiviral protocol (rather than just in sad shape > > > during the protocol--ugh). > > > > > > I think what I want to emphasize from my experience is that if > we > > > stop the probiotics, everything goes downhill extremely > quickly. > > > Yeast are aggressive, and something about killing viruses makes > > them > > > monstrously aggressive. Good bacteria seem to be meek little > > > buggers who need constant shoring up. > > > > > > To clarify my view even more: one of the reasons I always > > recommend > > > Candex to people fighting yeast is because it does no harm to > the > > > good bacteria, it is easy to dose, and yeast cannot build up a > > > tolerance to being digested (hence the rotate/not rotate > > controversy > > > is avoided all together). I consider Candex an antifungal, but > of > > > course its mechanism is much different than other OTC > antifungals > > > and the Rx antifungals as well. Maybe we shouldn't even talk > > about > > > antifungals as a group, since they have many different traits.> > > > > > This would be easier if we were all sitting around a table. :-)> > > > > > Anita> >>