Re: OLE/ Virastop trial()

[Guest guest]

I realize I'm fairly new to this list, so maybe this was something that was discussed before I joined.... but could please explain how he came to choose OLE as a recovery method for his two children? Did you first try Valtrex and then add the OLE? Do you currently use any antivirals, or did the course of OLE do the trick? Sorry for the questions, but I was just getting to understand how Valtrex works, and now I'm reading about a recovery using OLE and I'm not sure if it was in addition or instead of the Valtrex?

Thanks,

Sheryl

Re: OLE/ Virastop trial(Stan)

Questions 1,2,3. The answer is, there really is no good answer. I am not a doctor, but I can tell you what we did and how we came to this decision. We started slow and maxed out at just over 600mg a day of OLE (drops) for an almost 50 lb 3 1/2 yo. We chose this for no other reason other that it was 1/3 the max adult dose (for a 150 lb. adult) on the bottle. It was very effective when used this way for us. As far as headbanging, I think what your child could be experiencing is the healing regression that we saw along with the Valtrex kids. Our son's was horrible, and yes, at first it will freak you out and you may become scared and quit. He was miserable and temporarily lost months of gains. I think that the regression will rear its ugly head in a variety of different ways. It was very different in my son than in my daughter. Also make sure that you combat yeast with whatever you have found effective for your child. We use a number of things, and switch them around, although be careful of what you use as some of the yeast fighters out there actually contain OLE (like Yeast Aid). If you use them be aware that you are giving more OLE than what you decide on.I would give the OLE a chance to do its thing. We stopped chelating for a month because our son and daughter were so sick. We wanted to eliminate other things that could interfere or make him more miserable. Viral die off is really not fun to go through. It was the gains that kept pushing us forward until day 34 and then it was gone as quickly as it came, just how Stan described it in his video on day 21 for his son.We continued until we stopped seeing gains. It may take you awhile to see your first ones in your child if at all. The fact that you are seeing some regressive behaviors may be telling us that it may be your son's way of responding. You seem to be doing so many other things, it is hard to say.I am with Stan on the HBOT. I don't know if I would do them at the same time. HBOT in itself is very effective at killing viruses. I would do your child a favor and maybe pick that up afterwards. I would be afraid that it would be too hard on my little guy.I hope this helps.> > > >> > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do the two day, high dose > Vitamin > > A > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference. The day after we are done > with > > the > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the Virastop. Any suggestion on > dosing > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm going to follow > Shoemaker's > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they each performed similiar > functions, > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with one another. Should we start > > them > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way. Thoughts? We are going to trial > this > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then possibly move over to Valtrex.> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I realize I'm fairly new to this list, so maybe this was something that was discussed before I joined.... but could please explain how he came to choose OLE as a recovery method for his two children? Did you first try Valtrex and then add the OLE? Do you currently use any antivirals, or did the course of OLE do the trick? Sorry for the questions, but I was just getting to understand how Valtrex works, and now I'm reading about a recovery using OLE and I'm not sure if it was in addition or instead of the Valtrex?

Thanks,

Sheryl

Re: OLE/ Virastop trial(Stan)

Questions 1,2,3. The answer is, there really is no good answer. I am not a doctor, but I can tell you what we did and how we came to this decision. We started slow and maxed out at just over 600mg a day of OLE (drops) for an almost 50 lb 3 1/2 yo. We chose this for no other reason other that it was 1/3 the max adult dose (for a 150 lb. adult) on the bottle. It was very effective when used this way for us. As far as headbanging, I think what your child could be experiencing is the healing regression that we saw along with the Valtrex kids. Our son's was horrible, and yes, at first it will freak you out and you may become scared and quit. He was miserable and temporarily lost months of gains. I think that the regression will rear its ugly head in a variety of different ways. It was very different in my son than in my daughter. Also make sure that you combat yeast with whatever you have found effective for your child. We use a number of things, and switch them around, although be careful of what you use as some of the yeast fighters out there actually contain OLE (like Yeast Aid). If you use them be aware that you are giving more OLE than what you decide on.I would give the OLE a chance to do its thing. We stopped chelating for a month because our son and daughter were so sick. We wanted to eliminate other things that could interfere or make him more miserable. Viral die off is really not fun to go through. It was the gains that kept pushing us forward until day 34 and then it was gone as quickly as it came, just how Stan described it in his video on day 21 for his son.We continued until we stopped seeing gains. It may take you awhile to see your first ones in your child if at all. The fact that you are seeing some regressive behaviors may be telling us that it may be your son's way of responding. You seem to be doing so many other things, it is hard to say.I am with Stan on the HBOT. I don't know if I would do them at the same time. HBOT in itself is very effective at killing viruses. I would do your child a favor and maybe pick that up afterwards. I would be afraid that it would be too hard on my little guy.I hope this helps.> > > >> > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do the two day, high dose > Vitamin > > A > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference. The day after we are done > with > > the > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the Virastop. Any suggestion on > dosing > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm going to follow > Shoemaker's > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they each performed similiar > functions, > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with one another. Should we start > > them > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way. Thoughts? We are going to trial > this > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then possibly move over to Valtrex.> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Honestly, the OLE experience started completely by accident.

Really! We had heard of people using antivirals, but we did not

have a Valtrex friendly doctor at the time, so it was not an

immediate option for us. We thought we would play around with

natural antivirals after a two day hi dose vitamin A blowout, and

then the kids got rashes after we gave them OLE. That is when the

magic and fun started --> 34 days of regressive hell, accompanied

by big gains.

Anyway, I had heard of this group so I joined out of curiosity. I

was floored when I read what was happening with these kids on

Valtrex. I was seeing what I thought was the same thing with the

healing regression on OLE. I did not know it at the time, so we

took it day by day. I did not want to jump to any conclusions.

We stopped antivirals temporarily after the healing regression,

because we did a news story, and we wanted our son to get out of the

regression while on camera. I wanted to keep him on a maintenance

dose, but we would have still seen some regressive behaviors, I

think.

Anyway, I consider my daughter (who is very young and never had a

diagnosis because we caught it early) recovered from using OLE and

supplementation. She became age appropriate across the board after

her healing regression. Josh made big gains, but he only has a

symptom or two left to get rid of before I would consider him

recovered. Josh had made the majority of his progress with

chelation prior to OLE. OLE helped him catch up in other areas and

even move ahead of his peers in some areas. His sentences were

longer and speech became clearer. I also think he is chelating

better. He is still a little toxic. We are now pulling the mercury

and seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.

We recently tried a second round of OLE and added Virastop. We saw

a little regression for about a week or so. It seems to be gone,

and we will eventually stop both. We are going to try Valtrex in

the near future (probably June when preschool is out) to see if

anything else comes out.

Stan and I talked at the DAN! and we are unsure if Valtrex gets

anything that OLE/Virastop does not or vice wersa. That is when the

wheels started spinning upstairs. We are now at a point where the

rest of the group may be able to help us gather data on this to see

if there is a benefit of doing both, and in a few different orders.

It should be interesting.

One other thing to note, my kids' supplementation schedule changed

entirely after the healing regression. Their bodies were

different. The very things that used to calm them down agitated

them. I do not know if others have experienced this, but it was

weird. It was almost like starting over on supplementation for us.

> > > > >

> > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do the

two

> day, high dose

> > Vitamin

> > > A

> > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference. The

day

> after we are done

> > with

> > > the

> > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the

Virastop.

> Any suggestion on

> > dosing

> > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm going

to

> follow

> > Shoemaker's

> > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they

each

> performed similiar

> > functions,

> > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with

one

> another. Should we start

> > > them

> > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way.

Thoughts?

> We are going to trial

> > this

> > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then

possibly

> move over to Valtrex.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Honestly, the OLE experience started completely by accident.

Really! We had heard of people using antivirals, but we did not

have a Valtrex friendly doctor at the time, so it was not an

immediate option for us. We thought we would play around with

natural antivirals after a two day hi dose vitamin A blowout, and

then the kids got rashes after we gave them OLE. That is when the

magic and fun started --> 34 days of regressive hell, accompanied

by big gains.

Anyway, I had heard of this group so I joined out of curiosity. I

was floored when I read what was happening with these kids on

Valtrex. I was seeing what I thought was the same thing with the

healing regression on OLE. I did not know it at the time, so we

took it day by day. I did not want to jump to any conclusions.

We stopped antivirals temporarily after the healing regression,

because we did a news story, and we wanted our son to get out of the

regression while on camera. I wanted to keep him on a maintenance

dose, but we would have still seen some regressive behaviors, I

think.

Anyway, I consider my daughter (who is very young and never had a

diagnosis because we caught it early) recovered from using OLE and

supplementation. She became age appropriate across the board after

her healing regression. Josh made big gains, but he only has a

symptom or two left to get rid of before I would consider him

recovered. Josh had made the majority of his progress with

chelation prior to OLE. OLE helped him catch up in other areas and

even move ahead of his peers in some areas. His sentences were

longer and speech became clearer. I also think he is chelating

better. He is still a little toxic. We are now pulling the mercury

and seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.

We recently tried a second round of OLE and added Virastop. We saw

a little regression for about a week or so. It seems to be gone,

and we will eventually stop both. We are going to try Valtrex in

the near future (probably June when preschool is out) to see if

anything else comes out.

Stan and I talked at the DAN! and we are unsure if Valtrex gets

anything that OLE/Virastop does not or vice wersa. That is when the

wheels started spinning upstairs. We are now at a point where the

rest of the group may be able to help us gather data on this to see

if there is a benefit of doing both, and in a few different orders.

It should be interesting.

One other thing to note, my kids' supplementation schedule changed

entirely after the healing regression. Their bodies were

different. The very things that used to calm them down agitated

them. I do not know if others have experienced this, but it was

weird. It was almost like starting over on supplementation for us.

> > > > >

> > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do the

two

> day, high dose

> > Vitamin

> > > A

> > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference. The

day

> after we are done

> > with

> > > the

> > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the

Virastop.

> Any suggestion on

> > dosing

> > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm going

to

> follow

> > Shoemaker's

> > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they

each

> performed similiar

> > functions,

> > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with

one

> another. Should we start

> > > them

> > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way.

Thoughts?

> We are going to trial

> > this

> > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then

possibly

> move over to Valtrex.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

, were both your kids vaccinated? If they were not, I was

wondering what gave them the viruses.

Thanks

Gayatri

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do

the

> two

> > day, high dose

> > > Vitamin

> > > > A

> > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference.

The

> day

> > after we are done

> > > with

> > > > the

> > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the

> Virastop.

> > Any suggestion on

> > > dosing

> > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm

going

> to

> > follow

> > > Shoemaker's

> > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they

> each

> > performed similiar

> > > functions,

> > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with

> one

> > another. Should we start

> > > > them

> > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way.

> Thoughts?

> > We are going to trial

> > > this

> > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then

> possibly

> > move over to Valtrex.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

, were both your kids vaccinated? If they were not, I was

wondering what gave them the viruses.

Thanks

Gayatri

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do

the

> two

> > day, high dose

> > > Vitamin

> > > > A

> > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference.

The

> day

> > after we are done

> > > with

> > > > the

> > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the

> Virastop.

> > Any suggestion on

> > > dosing

> > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm

going

> to

> > follow

> > > Shoemaker's

> > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they

> each

> > performed similiar

> > > functions,

> > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with

> one

> > another. Should we start

> > > > them

> > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way.

> Thoughts?

> > We are going to trial

> > > this

> > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then

> possibly

> > move over to Valtrex.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I have a question about the healing regression. I was always told my dan , that if you see regression you should stop whatever you are giving. It dosenot seem like all of you follow that. Is it good to see regression? Should you keep on going? My son will have fits and crying spurts when He cant handle something. Should I think of this as a healing regression and stop or should I keep going. I am so confused. Thanks, R.

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of scottshoe11Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:42 PMmb12 valtrex Subject: Re: OLE/ Virastop trial()Honestly, the OLE experience started completely by accident. Really! We had heard of people using antivirals, but we did not have a Valtrex friendly doctor at the time, so it was not an immediate option for us. We thought we would play around with natural antivirals after a two day hi dose vitamin A blowout, and then the kids got rashes after we gave them OLE. That is when the magic and fun started --> 34 days of regressive hell, accompanied by big gains.Anyway, I had heard of this group so I joined out of curiosity. I was floored when I read what was happening with these kids on Valtrex. I was seeing what I thought was the same thing with the healing regression on OLE. I did not know it at the time, so we took it day by day. I did not want to jump to any conclusions.We stopped antivirals temporarily after the healing regression, because we did a news story, and we wanted our son to get out of the regression while on camera. I wanted to keep him on a maintenance dose, but we would have still seen some regressive behaviors, I think.Anyway, I consider my daughter (who is very young and never had a diagnosis because we caught it early) recovered from using OLE and supplementation. She became age appropriate across the board after her healing regression. Josh made big gains, but he only has a symptom or two left to get rid of before I would consider him recovered. Josh had made the majority of his progress with chelation prior to OLE. OLE helped him catch up in other areas and even move ahead of his peers in some areas. His sentences were longer and speech became clearer. I also think he is chelating better. He is still a little toxic. We are now pulling the mercury and seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.We recently tried a second round of OLE and added Virastop. We saw a little regression for about a week or so. It seems to be gone, and we will eventually stop both. We are going to try Valtrex in the near future (probably June when preschool is out) to see if anything else comes out.Stan and I talked at the DAN! and we are unsure if Valtrex gets anything that OLE/Virastop does not or vice wersa. That is when the wheels started spinning upstairs. We are now at a point where the rest of the group may be able to help us gather data on this to see if there is a benefit of doing both, and in a few different orders. It should be interesting.One other thing to note, my kids' supplementation schedule changed entirely after the healing regression. Their bodies were different. The very things that used to calm them down agitated them. I do not know if others have experienced this, but it was weird. It was almost like starting over on supplementation for us.> > > > >> > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do the two > day, high dose > > Vitamin > > > A > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference. The day > after we are done > > with > > > the > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the Virastop. > Any suggestion on > > dosing > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm going to > follow > > Shoemaker's > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they each > performed similiar > > functions, > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with one > another. Should we start > > > them > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way. Thoughts? > We are going to trial > > this > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then possibly > move over to Valtrex.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I have a question about the healing regression. I was always told my dan , that if you see regression you should stop whatever you are giving. It dosenot seem like all of you follow that. Is it good to see regression? Should you keep on going? My son will have fits and crying spurts when He cant handle something. Should I think of this as a healing regression and stop or should I keep going. I am so confused. Thanks, R.

-----Original Message-----From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ]On Behalf Of scottshoe11Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 9:42 PMmb12 valtrex Subject: Re: OLE/ Virastop trial()Honestly, the OLE experience started completely by accident. Really! We had heard of people using antivirals, but we did not have a Valtrex friendly doctor at the time, so it was not an immediate option for us. We thought we would play around with natural antivirals after a two day hi dose vitamin A blowout, and then the kids got rashes after we gave them OLE. That is when the magic and fun started --> 34 days of regressive hell, accompanied by big gains.Anyway, I had heard of this group so I joined out of curiosity. I was floored when I read what was happening with these kids on Valtrex. I was seeing what I thought was the same thing with the healing regression on OLE. I did not know it at the time, so we took it day by day. I did not want to jump to any conclusions.We stopped antivirals temporarily after the healing regression, because we did a news story, and we wanted our son to get out of the regression while on camera. I wanted to keep him on a maintenance dose, but we would have still seen some regressive behaviors, I think.Anyway, I consider my daughter (who is very young and never had a diagnosis because we caught it early) recovered from using OLE and supplementation. She became age appropriate across the board after her healing regression. Josh made big gains, but he only has a symptom or two left to get rid of before I would consider him recovered. Josh had made the majority of his progress with chelation prior to OLE. OLE helped him catch up in other areas and even move ahead of his peers in some areas. His sentences were longer and speech became clearer. I also think he is chelating better. He is still a little toxic. We are now pulling the mercury and seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.We recently tried a second round of OLE and added Virastop. We saw a little regression for about a week or so. It seems to be gone, and we will eventually stop both. We are going to try Valtrex in the near future (probably June when preschool is out) to see if anything else comes out.Stan and I talked at the DAN! and we are unsure if Valtrex gets anything that OLE/Virastop does not or vice wersa. That is when the wheels started spinning upstairs. We are now at a point where the rest of the group may be able to help us gather data on this to see if there is a benefit of doing both, and in a few different orders. It should be interesting.One other thing to note, my kids' supplementation schedule changed entirely after the healing regression. Their bodies were different. The very things that used to calm them down agitated them. I do not know if others have experienced this, but it was weird. It was almost like starting over on supplementation for us.> > > > >> > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do the two > day, high dose > > Vitamin > > > A > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference. The day > after we are done > > with > > > the > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the Virastop. > Any suggestion on > > dosing > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm going to > follow > > Shoemaker's > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they each > performed similiar > > functions, > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with one > another. Should we start > > > them > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way. Thoughts? > We are going to trial > > this > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then possibly > move over to Valtrex.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi , Your information is invaluable as is Stan's. I have yet to use any of these anti-virals yet(as for one thing we no longer have our DAN doctor), but in the past we hve done chelating with oral DMSA and some lipoic at the end and then last year did TD/DMPS. With the oral-we saw tons of toxins come out-lead, tin, arsenic , aluminum--but we have never seen a drop of mercury. With DMPS we never saw any toxins come out--did 8 months of it altogether. Does this mean that these anti-virals might eliminate the mrcury(and I am of course assuming he has some) or that we haven't done enuf to get the mercury out. Or that you can't answer this. Is it proper to start anti-0virals when we are unable to pull any mercury first is actually what I am asking. Thanks. maurinescottshoe11 <shoemaker@...> wrote: Honestly, the OLE experience started completely by accident. Really! We had heard of people using antivirals, but we did not have a Valtrex friendly doctor at the time, so it was not an immediate option for us. We thought we would play around with natural antivirals after a two day hi dose vitamin A blowout, and then the kids got rashes after we gave them OLE. That is when the magic and fun started --> 34 days of regressive hell, accompanied by big gains.Anyway, I had heard of this group so I joined out of curiosity. I was floored when I read what was happening with these kids on Valtrex. I was seeing what I thought was the same thing with the healing regression on OLE. I did not know it at the time, so we took it day by day. I did not want to jump to any conclusions.We stopped antivirals temporarily after the healing

regression, because we did a news story, and we wanted our son to get out of the regression while on camera. I wanted to keep him on a maintenance dose, but we would have still seen some regressive behaviors, I think.Anyway, I consider my daughter (who is very young and never had a diagnosis because we caught it early) recovered from using OLE and supplementation. She became age appropriate across the board after her healing regression. Josh made big gains, but he only has a symptom or two left to get rid of before I would consider him recovered. Josh had made the majority of his progress with chelation prior to OLE. OLE helped him catch up in other areas and even move ahead of his peers in some areas. His sentences were longer and speech became clearer. I also think he is chelating better. He is still a little toxic. We are now pulling the mercury and

seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.We recently tried a second round of OLE and added Virastop. We saw a little regression for about a week or so. It seems to be gone, and we will eventually stop both. We are going to try Valtrex in the near future (probably June when preschool is out) to see if anything else comes out.Stan and I talked at the DAN! and we are unsure if Valtrex gets anything that OLE/Virastop does not or vice wersa. That is when the wheels started spinning upstairs. We are now at a point where the rest of the group may be able to help us gather data on this to see if there is a benefit of doing both, and in a few different orders. It should be interesting.One other thing to note, my kids' supplementation schedule changed entirely after the healing regression. Their bodies were different. The very things that used to calm them down agitated

them. I do not know if others have experienced this, but it was weird. It was almost like starting over on supplementation for us.> > > > >> > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do the two > day, high dose > > Vitamin > > > A > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference. The day > after we are done > >

with > > > the > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the Virastop. > Any suggestion on > > dosing > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm going to > follow > > Shoemaker's > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they each > performed similiar > > functions, > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with one > another. Should we start > > > them > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way. Thoughts? > We are going to trial > > this > > > > for about a month or two,

look at results and then possibly > move over to Valtrex.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi , Your information is invaluable as is Stan's. I have yet to use any of these anti-virals yet(as for one thing we no longer have our DAN doctor), but in the past we hve done chelating with oral DMSA and some lipoic at the end and then last year did TD/DMPS. With the oral-we saw tons of toxins come out-lead, tin, arsenic , aluminum--but we have never seen a drop of mercury. With DMPS we never saw any toxins come out--did 8 months of it altogether. Does this mean that these anti-virals might eliminate the mrcury(and I am of course assuming he has some) or that we haven't done enuf to get the mercury out. Or that you can't answer this. Is it proper to start anti-0virals when we are unable to pull any mercury first is actually what I am asking. Thanks. maurinescottshoe11 <shoemaker@...> wrote: Honestly, the OLE experience started completely by accident. Really! We had heard of people using antivirals, but we did not have a Valtrex friendly doctor at the time, so it was not an immediate option for us. We thought we would play around with natural antivirals after a two day hi dose vitamin A blowout, and then the kids got rashes after we gave them OLE. That is when the magic and fun started --> 34 days of regressive hell, accompanied by big gains.Anyway, I had heard of this group so I joined out of curiosity. I was floored when I read what was happening with these kids on Valtrex. I was seeing what I thought was the same thing with the healing regression on OLE. I did not know it at the time, so we took it day by day. I did not want to jump to any conclusions.We stopped antivirals temporarily after the healing

regression, because we did a news story, and we wanted our son to get out of the regression while on camera. I wanted to keep him on a maintenance dose, but we would have still seen some regressive behaviors, I think.Anyway, I consider my daughter (who is very young and never had a diagnosis because we caught it early) recovered from using OLE and supplementation. She became age appropriate across the board after her healing regression. Josh made big gains, but he only has a symptom or two left to get rid of before I would consider him recovered. Josh had made the majority of his progress with chelation prior to OLE. OLE helped him catch up in other areas and even move ahead of his peers in some areas. His sentences were longer and speech became clearer. I also think he is chelating better. He is still a little toxic. We are now pulling the mercury and

seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.We recently tried a second round of OLE and added Virastop. We saw a little regression for about a week or so. It seems to be gone, and we will eventually stop both. We are going to try Valtrex in the near future (probably June when preschool is out) to see if anything else comes out.Stan and I talked at the DAN! and we are unsure if Valtrex gets anything that OLE/Virastop does not or vice wersa. That is when the wheels started spinning upstairs. We are now at a point where the rest of the group may be able to help us gather data on this to see if there is a benefit of doing both, and in a few different orders. It should be interesting.One other thing to note, my kids' supplementation schedule changed entirely after the healing regression. Their bodies were different. The very things that used to calm them down agitated

them. I do not know if others have experienced this, but it was weird. It was almost like starting over on supplementation for us.> > > > >> > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do the two > day, high dose > > Vitamin > > > A > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference. The day > after we are done > >

with > > > the > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the Virastop. > Any suggestion on > > dosing > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm going to > follow > > Shoemaker's > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they each > performed similiar > > functions, > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with one > another. Should we start > > > them > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way. Thoughts? > We are going to trial > > this > > > > for about a month or two,

look at results and then possibly > move over to Valtrex.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do

the

> two

> > day, high dose

> > > Vitamin

> > > > A

> > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference.

The

> day

> > after we are done

> > > with

> > > > the

> > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the

> Virastop.

> > Any suggestion on

> > > dosing

> > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm

going

> to

> > follow

> > > Shoemaker's

> > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they

> each

> > performed similiar

> > > functions,

> > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with

> one

> > another. Should we start

> > > > them

> > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way.

> Thoughts?

> > We are going to trial

> > > this

> > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then

> possibly

> > move over to Valtrex.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do

the

> two

> > day, high dose

> > > Vitamin

> > > > A

> > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference.

The

> day

> > after we are done

> > > with

> > > > the

> > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the

> Virastop.

> > Any suggestion on

> > > dosing

> > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm

going

> to

> > follow

> > > Shoemaker's

> > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they

> each

> > performed similiar

> > > functions,

> > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with

> one

> > another. Should we start

> > > > them

> > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way.

> Thoughts?

> > We are going to trial

> > > this

> > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then

> possibly

> > move over to Valtrex.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

One more question to , if you don't mind....Can you tell me what you used to chelation protocol you used (or are still using) to chelate your son?

Thanks,

Sheryl

Re: OLE/ Virastop trial()

Honestly, the OLE experience started completely by accident. Really! We had heard of people using antivirals, but we did not have a Valtrex friendly doctor at the time, so it was not an immediate option for us. We thought we would play around with natural antivirals after a two day hi dose vitamin A blowout, and then the kids got rashes after we gave them OLE. That is when the magic and fun started --> 34 days of regressive hell, accompanied by big gains.Anyway, I had heard of this group so I joined out of curiosity. I was floored when I read what was happening with these kids on Valtrex. I was seeing what I thought was the same thing with the healing regression on OLE. I did not know it at the time, so we took it day by day. I did not want to jump to any conclusions.We stopped antivirals temporarily after the healing regression, because we did a news story, and we wanted our son to get out of the regression while on camera. I wanted to keep him on a maintenance dose, but we would have still seen some regressive behaviors, I think.Anyway, I consider my daughter (who is very young and never had a diagnosis because we caught it early) recovered from using OLE and supplementation. She became age appropriate across the board after her healing regression. Josh made big gains, but he only has a symptom or two left to get rid of before I would consider him recovered. Josh had made the majority of his progress with chelation prior to OLE. OLE helped him catch up in other areas and even move ahead of his peers in some areas. His sentences were longer and speech became clearer. I also think he is chelating better. He is still a little toxic. We are now pulling the mercury and seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.We recently tried a second round of OLE and added Virastop. We saw a little regression for about a week or so. It seems to be gone, and we will eventually stop both. We are going to try Valtrex in the near future (probably June when preschool is out) to see if anything else comes out.Stan and I talked at the DAN! and we are unsure if Valtrex gets anything that OLE/Virastop does not or vice wersa. That is when the wheels started spinning upstairs. We are now at a point where the rest of the group may be able to help us gather data on this to see if there is a benefit of doing both, and in a few different orders. It should be interesting.One other thing to note, my kids' supplementation schedule changed entirely after the healing regression. Their bodies were different. The very things that used to calm them down agitated them. I do not know if others have experienced this, but it was weird. It was almost like starting over on supplementation for us.> > > > >> > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do the two > day, high dose > > Vitamin > > > A > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference. The day > after we are done > > with > > > the > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the Virastop. > Any suggestion on > > dosing > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm going to > follow > > Shoemaker's > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they each > performed similiar > > functions, > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with one > another. Should we start > > > them > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way. Thoughts? > We are going to trial > > this > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then possibly > move over to Valtrex.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

One more question to , if you don't mind....Can you tell me what you used to chelation protocol you used (or are still using) to chelate your son?

Thanks,

Sheryl

Re: OLE/ Virastop trial()

Honestly, the OLE experience started completely by accident. Really! We had heard of people using antivirals, but we did not have a Valtrex friendly doctor at the time, so it was not an immediate option for us. We thought we would play around with natural antivirals after a two day hi dose vitamin A blowout, and then the kids got rashes after we gave them OLE. That is when the magic and fun started --> 34 days of regressive hell, accompanied by big gains.Anyway, I had heard of this group so I joined out of curiosity. I was floored when I read what was happening with these kids on Valtrex. I was seeing what I thought was the same thing with the healing regression on OLE. I did not know it at the time, so we took it day by day. I did not want to jump to any conclusions.We stopped antivirals temporarily after the healing regression, because we did a news story, and we wanted our son to get out of the regression while on camera. I wanted to keep him on a maintenance dose, but we would have still seen some regressive behaviors, I think.Anyway, I consider my daughter (who is very young and never had a diagnosis because we caught it early) recovered from using OLE and supplementation. She became age appropriate across the board after her healing regression. Josh made big gains, but he only has a symptom or two left to get rid of before I would consider him recovered. Josh had made the majority of his progress with chelation prior to OLE. OLE helped him catch up in other areas and even move ahead of his peers in some areas. His sentences were longer and speech became clearer. I also think he is chelating better. He is still a little toxic. We are now pulling the mercury and seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.We recently tried a second round of OLE and added Virastop. We saw a little regression for about a week or so. It seems to be gone, and we will eventually stop both. We are going to try Valtrex in the near future (probably June when preschool is out) to see if anything else comes out.Stan and I talked at the DAN! and we are unsure if Valtrex gets anything that OLE/Virastop does not or vice wersa. That is when the wheels started spinning upstairs. We are now at a point where the rest of the group may be able to help us gather data on this to see if there is a benefit of doing both, and in a few different orders. It should be interesting.One other thing to note, my kids' supplementation schedule changed entirely after the healing regression. Their bodies were different. The very things that used to calm them down agitated them. I do not know if others have experienced this, but it was weird. It was almost like starting over on supplementation for us.> > > > >> > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do the two > day, high dose > > Vitamin > > > A > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference. The day > after we are done > > with > > > the > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the Virastop. > Any suggestion on > > dosing > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm going to > follow > > Shoemaker's > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they each > performed similiar > > functions, > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with one > another. Should we start > > > them > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way. Thoughts? > We are going to trial > > this > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then possibly > move over to Valtrex.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

My son was vaccinated up until 2 1/2 and we figured out that our

government and pharmaceutical companies were poisoning him.

My daughter was vax'd up to 6 months, and we stopped. As far as what

gave them viruses, they could hav gtten them from anywhere. They

were around a lot of people. Their bodies just never fought them

off. They were never (visibly) sick.

>

> , were both your kids vaccinated? If they were not, I was

> wondering what gave them the viruses.

>

> Thanks

> Gayatri

[Guest guest]

My son was vaccinated up until 2 1/2 and we figured out that our

government and pharmaceutical companies were poisoning him.

My daughter was vax'd up to 6 months, and we stopped. As far as what

gave them viruses, they could hav gtten them from anywhere. They

were around a lot of people. Their bodies just never fought them

off. They were never (visibly) sick.

>

> , were both your kids vaccinated? If they were not, I was

> wondering what gave them the viruses.

>

> Thanks

> Gayatri

[Guest guest]

I'm not speaking for , I don't know about his kids vaccinations, but there

are few ways

for the kids to get viruses beside the vaccines. Their mother may carry a virus

but supress

it well and the child doesn't, for one. And remember, viruses are caught by

people all the

time, think of the flu or a cold.

In the case of my cousin with autism, his mom had a bit of a measles outbreak

during

pregnancy (this was 46 years ago)

In reality, most of OUR kids did get some type of vaccination and mercury, so

this is

usually a piece of the puzzle. My son was given a Hep B with mercury within the

first 2

hours of breathing... without anyone even telling us.

There aren't a whole lot of unvaccinated autistic children. Take a look at the

Omish for

example.

To my knowlege, there are only three autistic amish children. One was adopted

from

China, one was vaccinated against the amish rules, the third's family would not

release the

vaccination status of their child. There are many articles about this. Here is

one.

http://www.mercola.com/2005/may/4/amish_autism.htm

- Stan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do

> the

> > two

> > > day, high dose

> > > > Vitamin

> > > > > A

> > > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference.

> The

> > day

> > > after we are done

> > > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the

> > Virastop.

> > > Any suggestion on

> > > > dosing

> > > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm

> going

> > to

> > > follow

> > > > Shoemaker's

> > > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they

> > each

> > > performed similiar

> > > > functions,

> > > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with

> > one

> > > another. Should we start

> > > > > them

> > > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way.

> > Thoughts?

> > > We are going to trial

> > > > this

> > > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then

> > possibly

> > > move over to Valtrex.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I'm not speaking for , I don't know about his kids vaccinations, but there

are few ways

for the kids to get viruses beside the vaccines. Their mother may carry a virus

but supress

it well and the child doesn't, for one. And remember, viruses are caught by

people all the

time, think of the flu or a cold.

In the case of my cousin with autism, his mom had a bit of a measles outbreak

during

pregnancy (this was 46 years ago)

In reality, most of OUR kids did get some type of vaccination and mercury, so

this is

usually a piece of the puzzle. My son was given a Hep B with mercury within the

first 2

hours of breathing... without anyone even telling us.

There aren't a whole lot of unvaccinated autistic children. Take a look at the

Omish for

example.

To my knowlege, there are only three autistic amish children. One was adopted

from

China, one was vaccinated against the amish rules, the third's family would not

release the

vaccination status of their child. There are many articles about this. Here is

one.

http://www.mercola.com/2005/may/4/amish_autism.htm

- Stan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do

> the

> > two

> > > day, high dose

> > > > Vitamin

> > > > > A

> > > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference.

> The

> > day

> > > after we are done

> > > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the

> > Virastop.

> > > Any suggestion on

> > > > dosing

> > > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm

> going

> > to

> > > follow

> > > > Shoemaker's

> > > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they

> > each

> > > performed similiar

> > > > functions,

> > > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with

> > one

> > > another. Should we start

> > > > > them

> > > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way.

> > Thoughts?

> > > We are going to trial

> > > > this

> > > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then

> > possibly

> > > move over to Valtrex.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

First off, we have been chelating for 10 months, and we have been

seeing mercury coming out for the last few. Since it is one of the

least soluble metals, its bonding properties are very poor and it is

unfortunately one of the last metals to come out. If you have not

seen mercury when you were chelating and you know it is there, it is

very possible that you have not gotten to it yet. There may be too

much in the way still.

Chelating is much like pushing a boulder up a hill. If you stop,

the boulder starts to roll backwards. I asked a doctor about this,

and they said that there is really no reason to stop while doing

antivirals. We did, and made that decision during the healing

regression because our son was so miserable, and we did not want him

to feel worse. We ended up skipping one cycle on a 3/11 TD DMSA

protocol.

As far as antivirals, I think that my son chelates better after we

did them. I have no tests to confirm this, but he tolerates

chelation much better, leading me to believe that he is processing

the toxins quicker. I am waiting for a test to come back now.

Somebody gave me this info from Amy Yasko, and her viral protocol.

They told me that when doing antivirals and the urine is extremely

yellow, then you are killing viruses. Immediately following the

yellow urine, a lot of times, the yellow urine goes clear. These

are metals. The woman who told me this did an unchallenged urine

test to verify this during the clear urine cycle. Her daughter was

off the charts in many things, and the metals were being eliminated

more than when she did a challenged urine test!

There is still much data that needs to be collected to verify this

one. I did note that in both of my kids, when the healing

regression would let up, the urine went yellow then clear. I was

able to at least verify this part of it in our case. Watch for it,

and let us know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do

the

> two

> > day, high dose

> > > Vitamin

> > > > A

> > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference.

The

> day

> > after we are done

> > > with

> > > > the

> > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the

> Virastop.

> > Any suggestion on

> > > dosing

> > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm

going

> to

> > follow

> > > Shoemaker's

> > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they

> each

> > performed similiar

> > > functions,

> > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with

> one

> > another. Should we start

> > > > them

> > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way.

> Thoughts?

> > We are going to trial

> > > this

> > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then

> possibly

> > move over to Valtrex.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

First off, we have been chelating for 10 months, and we have been

seeing mercury coming out for the last few. Since it is one of the

least soluble metals, its bonding properties are very poor and it is

unfortunately one of the last metals to come out. If you have not

seen mercury when you were chelating and you know it is there, it is

very possible that you have not gotten to it yet. There may be too

much in the way still.

Chelating is much like pushing a boulder up a hill. If you stop,

the boulder starts to roll backwards. I asked a doctor about this,

and they said that there is really no reason to stop while doing

antivirals. We did, and made that decision during the healing

regression because our son was so miserable, and we did not want him

to feel worse. We ended up skipping one cycle on a 3/11 TD DMSA

protocol.

As far as antivirals, I think that my son chelates better after we

did them. I have no tests to confirm this, but he tolerates

chelation much better, leading me to believe that he is processing

the toxins quicker. I am waiting for a test to come back now.

Somebody gave me this info from Amy Yasko, and her viral protocol.

They told me that when doing antivirals and the urine is extremely

yellow, then you are killing viruses. Immediately following the

yellow urine, a lot of times, the yellow urine goes clear. These

are metals. The woman who told me this did an unchallenged urine

test to verify this during the clear urine cycle. Her daughter was

off the charts in many things, and the metals were being eliminated

more than when she did a challenged urine test!

There is still much data that needs to be collected to verify this

one. I did note that in both of my kids, when the healing

regression would let up, the urine went yellow then clear. I was

able to at least verify this part of it in our case. Watch for it,

and let us know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do

the

> two

> > day, high dose

> > > Vitamin

> > > > A

> > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference.

The

> day

> > after we are done

> > > with

> > > > the

> > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the

> Virastop.

> > Any suggestion on

> > > dosing

> > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm

going

> to

> > follow

> > > Shoemaker's

> > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they

> each

> > performed similiar

> > > functions,

> > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with

> one

> > another. Should we start

> > > > them

> > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way.

> Thoughts?

> > We are going to trial

> > > this

> > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then

> possibly

> > move over to Valtrex.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes, we are still chelating with TD DMSA from Lee Silsby. We just

went to a 3/4 protocol. See the post before this one.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do

> the

> > two

> > > day, high dose

> > > > Vitamin

> > > > > A

> > > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference.

> The

> > day

> > > after we are done

> > > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the

> > Virastop.

> > > Any suggestion on

> > > > dosing

> > > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm

> going

> > to

> > > follow

> > > > Shoemaker's

> > > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if

they

> > each

> > > performed similiar

> > > > functions,

> > > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction

with

> > one

> > > another. Should we start

> > > > > them

> > > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way.

> > Thoughts?

> > > We are going to trial

> > > > this

> > > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then

> > possibly

> > > move over to Valtrex.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes, we are still chelating with TD DMSA from Lee Silsby. We just

went to a 3/4 protocol. See the post before this one.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do

> the

> > two

> > > day, high dose

> > > > Vitamin

> > > > > A

> > > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference.

> The

> > day

> > > after we are done

> > > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the

> > Virastop.

> > > Any suggestion on

> > > > dosing

> > > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm

> going

> > to

> > > follow

> > > > Shoemaker's

> > > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if

they

> > each

> > > performed similiar

> > > > functions,

> > > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction

with

> > one

> > > another. Should we start

> > > > > them

> > > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way.

> > Thoughts?

> > > We are going to trial

> > > > this

> > > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then

> > possibly

> > > move over to Valtrex.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I think this is an important question, eg: " When is a regression bad and when is

it a sign of

something good? "

This is part of the art of the DAN! philosophy that good doctors (and some good

parents)

really understand well. After you do a therapy a few hundred times or hear from

others

who have, you usually learn what is good and what is bad.

In the case of many vitamins and supplements, good is good and bad is bad. With

MB12

for example, I find that to be the case. Dr. Neubrander calls it a Positive

Negative when

there is some hyperactivity along with other gains. I would agree with that.

He also says

that intollerable hyperactivity is a Negative, Negative and you shouldn't " push

through "

that. I agree with that as well.

In the case of Valtrex, MANY people, more than half according to polls,

experience what

we call a healing-regression (what Neubrander calls a Positive Negative) which

commonly

lasts for 20 to 40 days and often has a bit of positive developmental gains

mixed in if you

look closely enough.

Antifungals have the same effect in many cases. You see a die off effect where

the child

seems like they have a stomach ache, cold, or hyperactivity. This often lasts

for a few day

to a week and then the child starts to look much better than when he/she

started.

In summary, there are times when therapies have a counter-intuitive response and

it takes

knowledge and patience to get through it. That's one of the reasons that parent

groups

are so important. If a few hundred people have already boldly gone where you

haven't, it

can be very helpful in guiding you along the journey and combating the

alternative... being

lost and alone.

- Stan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do the

> two

> > day, high dose

> > > Vitamin

> > > > A

> > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference. The

> day

> > after we are done

> > > with

> > > > the

> > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the

> Virastop.

> > Any suggestion on

> > > dosing

> > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm going

> to

> > follow

> > > Shoemaker's

> > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they

> each

> > performed similiar

> > > functions,

> > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with

> one

> > another. Should we start

> > > > them

> > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way.

> Thoughts?

> > We are going to trial

> > > this

> > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then

> possibly

> > move over to Valtrex.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I think this is an important question, eg: " When is a regression bad and when is

it a sign of

something good? "

This is part of the art of the DAN! philosophy that good doctors (and some good

parents)

really understand well. After you do a therapy a few hundred times or hear from

others

who have, you usually learn what is good and what is bad.

In the case of many vitamins and supplements, good is good and bad is bad. With

MB12

for example, I find that to be the case. Dr. Neubrander calls it a Positive

Negative when

there is some hyperactivity along with other gains. I would agree with that.

He also says

that intollerable hyperactivity is a Negative, Negative and you shouldn't " push

through "

that. I agree with that as well.

In the case of Valtrex, MANY people, more than half according to polls,

experience what

we call a healing-regression (what Neubrander calls a Positive Negative) which

commonly

lasts for 20 to 40 days and often has a bit of positive developmental gains

mixed in if you

look closely enough.

Antifungals have the same effect in many cases. You see a die off effect where

the child

seems like they have a stomach ache, cold, or hyperactivity. This often lasts

for a few day

to a week and then the child starts to look much better than when he/she

started.

In summary, there are times when therapies have a counter-intuitive response and

it takes

knowledge and patience to get through it. That's one of the reasons that parent

groups

are so important. If a few hundred people have already boldly gone where you

haven't, it

can be very helpful in guiding you along the journey and combating the

alternative... being

lost and alone.

- Stan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do the

> two

> > day, high dose

> > > Vitamin

> > > > A

> > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference. The

> day

> > after we are done

> > > with

> > > > the

> > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the

> Virastop.

> > Any suggestion on

> > > dosing

> > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm going

> to

> > follow

> > > Shoemaker's

> > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they

> each

> > performed similiar

> > > functions,

> > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with

> one

> > another. Should we start

> > > > them

> > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way.

> Thoughts?

> > We are going to trial

> > > this

> > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then

> possibly

> > move over to Valtrex.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Maurine,

Not , but my instinct would be to go back on oral DMSA (with a good

antifungal since

it can kickup yeast) since you were seeing metals dumping with it. There are

some real

questions about how much mercury comes out with transdermal methods. Some

speculations are it is only working on the metals stuck in the sub-q fat.

Additionally, mercury is a pesky think and it often comes out last. You may

need to keep

going. We have not proven that Valtrex gets out Mercury, but I have a strong

suspicion it

helps because my son was metals toxic (very low hair excretion levels... .03

ug/g) and we

NEVER chelated him and he recovered. Several parents have reported better

metals dumps

with Valtrex onboard compared to without. This is very interesting. I

presented to the

DAN! Think Tank this past conference about several families who did ORAL DMSA

challenges without and then with Valtrex added and with the Valtrex more metals

come

out.

We also know that Valtrex modulates adenosine, which can help methylation and a

good

set of our kids... methylation is really what gets metals out of our kids

brains. Valtrex also

crosses the blood brain barrier and acyclovir does not.

Until we prove exactly what is going on (and we will), I wouldn't use Valtex as

a metals

detox agent by itself... but I might use it with oral DMSA if that my child had

the same

results yours did.

Either way, I would get back on what works... and if you want to add Valtrex

too.. that

might be another good idea.

- Stan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We just started LDN and in two weeks are going to do the

> two

> > day, high dose

> > > Vitamin

> > > > A

> > > > > protocol for Measles mentioned in the DAN conference. The

> day

> > after we are done

> > > with

> > > > the

> > > > > Vitamin A we are going to add in OLE and then the

> Virastop.

> > Any suggestion on

> > > dosing

> > > > > and timing of the Virastop would be appreciated (I'm going

> to

> > follow

> > > Shoemaker's

> > > > > protocol for the OLE dosing). I was not certain if they

> each

> > performed similiar

> > > functions,

> > > > > but i keep reading that folks do them in conjuction with

> one

> > another. Should we start

> > > > them

> > > > > together, would they be more synergestic that way.

> Thoughts?

> > We are going to trial

> > > this

> > > > > for about a month or two, look at results and then

> possibly

> > move over to Valtrex.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >