Glucosamine

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue

In a resurfaced hip the gap between the femural head and the cup is filled with

synovial

fluid, I can't see why in a thr that this is not also true. Can you explain why

this is not the

case

thanks

jane in Wales

>

> WD40? Seriously though, there is no joint fluid in an artificial joint.

Glucosamine is of

benefit in other joints though. Your other joints may be in jeopardy from what

caused you

to get an artificial joint in the first place such as OA.

>

> My revision hip surgery is scheduled for April 18th. This hip has only lasted

for 7 years.

I am so hoping this new one will be improved and last much longer. I am,

however, very

blessed to have something like this that can be fixed.

>

> Sue in PA

>

> What is Joint Fluid in fake parts?

>

[Guest guest]

Jane, I am researching on line and I have seen mention made of fluid in an artificial joint. I apologize for my lack of knowledge and I am trying to rectify this situation.

Here is one such mention:

Some scientist argue that for bearings composed of two hard surfaces, this relation may not be true because these bearing have another type of lubrication of their joint surfaces. Especially during rapid movement, such bearings are lubricated by a small layer of (joint) fluid that squeezes between the hard surfaces. The larger the diameter of these (congruent) joint surfaces, and the speedier the movement, the thicker the layer of the lubricating fluid and thus the smaller production of wear particles.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:9nHqekgaILYJ:www.totaljoints.info/metal_on_metal_total_hips.htm+artificial+hip+joint+fluid & hl=en & gl=us & ct=clnk & cd=16

I know this is taken out of context, but apparently fluid can make a re appearance. I joined this forum to be educated and learn from others such as yourself. I have a doctor's appointment next week so I will ask more about this. I do believe the UK does do more of the resurfacing than here in the US. I wonder why that is? Is it a less radical approach to a THR that allows that option for later if it becomes necessary? How long is a resurfacing expected to last? I was never given that option.

Sue in PA

In a resurfaced hip the gap between the femural head and the cup is filled with synovial fluid, I can't see why in a thr that this is not also true. Can you explain why this is not the case

[Guest guest]

My ortho told me there was fluid in the joint. To help lubricate the

fake joint.

Sue in PA too!

>

> WD40? Seriously though, there is no joint fluid in an artificial

joint. Glucosamine is of benefit in other joints though. Your other

joints may be in jeopardy from what caused you to get an artificial

joint in the first place such as OA.

>

> My revision hip surgery is scheduled for April 18th. This hip has

only lasted for 7 years. I am so hoping this new one will be

improved and last much longer. I am, however, very blessed to have

something like this that can be fixed.

>

> Sue in PA

>

> What is Joint Fluid in fake parts?

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I have had my left hip... I take the gluosamine every day and I do

think it helps.

my knees are bone on bone, and my other hip is not great. However, I am

not ready for my next surgery yet.

As everyone says, put it off as long as you can, because that means

longer for a revision.

Jane Le Kanides

http://www.my.tupperware.com/maryjanelk Visit my online Tupperware store

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Sue! I still have much to learn!

The other Sue in PA

My ortho told me there was fluid in the joint. To help lubricate the fake joint.Sue in PA too!

[Guest guest]

All:

I would like to say a few things that have been mention on this

thread. First glucosamine is good for all natural joints in the

body. I read that as a joint degenerates the lubricant becomes

thinner. Glucosamine seems to help most people in this area. I am

reading " Total Knee Replacement & Recovery " by Dr's Brugioni and

Falkel. They say, " over thirty clinical studies on humans and

animals, with five double-blind trials preformed in the 1980's " on

this medication.

Second there will be fluid in the mechanical knee (nature of the

environment). This may help a little with lubrication but the real

secret to the joint is the high-density, high-molecular-weight

polyethylene plastic material. This material was first developed in

the 1960's, I believe, and was a real break through. This is the

same material that skateboard wheels are made of and without it the

whole skateboard industry would not be what it is. The same with

artificial joints. So tell you kids that. No dought new materials

will be developed that are better but this material is pretty tough

and resistant. Maybe they will develope the same lubrication

capabilities as the natural joint. This is the secret with natural

joint.

Hope this has addressed some confusion. BTW I am a Mechanical Design

Engineer, so I know were I talk from 8^).

Don

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sue,

Resurfacing is done in US but on a small scale, unfortunately because of the US

system

many doctors who don't yet do the procedure won't advertise it either.

The longest implanted modern resurfacing I know of is in a young woman who has

had it

for 15 years, still going strong after a very active time and two normal healthy

pregnancies

too.

The point of resurfacing really is that it should be longer lasting than

traditional thr in

young active people, and if it does fail then converting to a thr is the same as

a primary thr

and not a revision which we know to be a much more complicated operation because

of

the way the femur is sectioned to remove the stem and refit a new one. Thus the

resurfacing gives an extra go before revision.

There is talk that they could last 20/30 years or more (like the original Ring

thr which the

resurfacing was modelled on.), but really only time will tell. Another plus for

some of us is

that the recovery is quick and there are no restrictions at all post-op (more

conservative

docs give a 90degree rule for 6 weeks), after this though there is no

restriction what so

ever.

As I am very active this was a real plus for me.

jane in Wales

>

> Jane, I am researching on line and I have seen mention made of fluid in an

artificial joint.

I apologize for my lack of knowledge and I am trying to rectify this situation.

>

> Here is one such mention:

>

> Some scientist argue that for bearings composed of two hard surfaces, this

relation may

not be true because these bearing have another type of lubrication of their

joint surfaces.

Especially during rapid movement, such bearings are lubricated by a small layer

of (joint)

fluid that squeezes between the hard surfaces. The larger the diameter of these

(congruent) joint surfaces, and the speedier the movement, the thicker the

layer of the

lubricating fluid and thus the smaller production of wear particles.

>

> http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:9nHqekgaILYJ:www.totaljoints.info/

metal_on_metal_total_hips.htm+artificial+hip+joint+fluid & hl=en & gl=us & ct=clnk & cd=\

16

> I know this is taken out of context, but apparently fluid can make a re

appearance. I

joined this forum to be educated and learn from others such as yourself. I have

a doctor's

appointment next week so I will ask more about this. I do believe the UK does do

more of

the resurfacing than here in the US. I wonder why that is? Is it a less radical

approach to a

THR that allows that option for later if it becomes necessary? How long is a

resurfacing

expected to last? I was never given that option.

>

> Sue in PA

>

>

[Guest guest]

With my revision I lost no extra bone. It is not always the horror

story you hear about. My stem was cemented and it loosened thanks to

an auto acciddent. It was less than 7 years old and the poly liner

and cup were fine. The stem is a bit longer now.

Sue

> >

> > Jane, I am researching on line and I have seen mention made of

fluid in an artificial joint.

> I apologize for my lack of knowledge and I am trying to rectify

this situation.

> >

> > Here is one such mention:

> >

> > Some scientist argue that for bearings composed of two hard

surfaces, this relation may

> not be true because these bearing have another type of lubrication

of their joint surfaces.

> Especially during rapid movement, such bearings are lubricated by a

small layer of (joint)

> fluid that squeezes between the hard surfaces. The larger the

diameter of these

> (congruent) joint surfaces, and the speedier the movement, the

thicker the layer of the

> lubricating fluid and thus the smaller production of wear

particles.

> >

> > http://72.14.203.104/search?

q=cache:9nHqekgaILYJ:www.totaljoints.info/

>

metal_on_metal_total_hips.htm+artificial+hip+joint+fluid & hl=en & gl=us & c

t=clnk & cd=16

> > I know this is taken out of context, but apparently fluid can

make a re appearance. I

> joined this forum to be educated and learn from others such as

yourself. I have a doctor's

> appointment next week so I will ask more about this. I do believe

the UK does do more of

> the resurfacing than here in the US. I wonder why that is? Is it a

less radical approach to a

> THR that allows that option for later if it becomes necessary? How

long is a resurfacing

> expected to last? I was never given that option.

> >

> > Sue in PA

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue

I wasn't trying to say that thr revision is a 'horror story' merely tthat the

sectioning of the

bone is much more complicated than primary, also that the more revisions you

have to

have the more difficult they become.

jane in Wales

> With my revision I lost no extra bone. It is not always the horror

> story you hear about. My stem was cemented and it loosened thanks to

> an auto acciddent. It was less than 7 years old and the poly liner

> and cup were fine. The stem is a bit longer now.

>

> Sue

> > and if it does fail then converting to a thr

> > is the same as a primary thr

> > and not a revision which we know to be a much more complicated

> >operation because of

> > the way the femur is sectioned to remove the stem and refit a new

> >one.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue

I wasn't trying to say that thr revision is a 'horror story' merely tthat the

sectioning of the

bone is much more complicated than primary, also that the more revisions you

have to

have the more difficult they become.

jane in Wales

> With my revision I lost no extra bone. It is not always the horror

> story you hear about. My stem was cemented and it loosened thanks to

> an auto acciddent. It was less than 7 years old and the poly liner

> and cup were fine. The stem is a bit longer now.

>

> Sue

> > and if it does fail then converting to a thr

> > is the same as a primary thr

> > and not a revision which we know to be a much more complicated

> >operation because of

> > the way the femur is sectioned to remove the stem and refit a new

> >one.

[Guest guest]

Jane

It seems almost everyone thinks of revisions as harder. Not just

you. They just pulled the stem out. Did nothing to the bone.

Everyone is different and you can not really generalize.

Sue

>

> Hi Sue

>

> I wasn't trying to say that thr revision is a 'horror story' merely

tthat the sectioning of the

> bone is much more complicated than primary, also that the more

revisions you have to

> have the more difficult they become.

>

> jane in Wales

>

>

> > With my revision I lost no extra bone. It is not always the

horror

> > story you hear about. My stem was cemented and it loosened

thanks to

> > an auto acciddent. It was less than 7 years old and the poly

liner

> > and cup were fine. The stem is a bit longer now.

> >

> > Sue

>

>

> > > and if it does fail then converting to a thr

> > > is the same as a primary thr

> > > and not a revision which we know to be a much more complicated

> > >operation because of

> > > the way the femur is sectioned to remove the stem and refit a

new

> > >one.

>

[Guest guest]

I think I would have to agree with Jane here. You are cutting through

previous scar tissue, most likely you will loose more bone and surgery isn't

really a natural state anyway.

One advantage I thought with my revision was that I was fitter because I had

been quite active before the revision, rather than in a chair like I was

before the primary.

I expected the revision would be easier, that I would recover quicker, and

that it would be as good as my primary hip.

How wrong I was for me. So glad yours worked out well Sue.

Aussie Margaret

RTHR 1990 revised 2004

Re: glucosamine

> Hi Sue

>

> I wasn't trying to say that thr revision is a 'horror story' merely tthat

> the sectioning of the

> bone is much more complicated than primary, also that the more revisions

> you have to

> have the more difficult they become.

>

> jane in Wales

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sue

You were very lucky indeed, it is very rare that a stem is just pulled out,

usually people

have the bone sectioned and then wired back. There is a very good animated

revision

procedure on Amstuz's Joint Replacement Institute website

http://www.jri-oh.com/jri_hip_replacement.php if you click halfway dwn this

page you

get to view resurfacing, thr and thr revision procedure animations.

jane in Wales

> >

> > Hi Sue

> >

> > I wasn't trying to say that thr revision is a 'horror story' merely

> tthat the sectioning of the

> > bone is much more complicated than primary, also that the more

> revisions you have to

> > have the more difficult they become.

> >

> > jane in Wales

> >

> >

> > > With my revision I lost no extra bone. It is not always the

> horror

> > > story you hear about. My stem was cemented and it loosened

> thanks to

> > > an auto acciddent. It was less than 7 years old and the poly

> liner

> > > and cup were fine. The stem is a bit longer now.

> > >

> > > Sue

> >

> >

> > > > and if it does fail then converting to a thr

> > > > is the same as a primary thr

> > > > and not a revision which we know to be a much more complicated

> > > >operation because of

> > > > the way the femur is sectioned to remove the stem and refit a

> new

> > > >one.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Does anyone know of a good source of glucosamine with no fructose et

> added to the liquid? Is liquid best?

>

> I can't get beef hooves to add to my broth and can't make broth often

> enough to have GL. consistantly. Am hoping to alleviate toe joint

> arthritis swelling/pain.

>

http://tinyurl.com/kzl4j

I'm reading that " liquid is best " because of more rapid absorption

and " in the capsules the glucosamine is bound to the fillers " , but

all the liquid products have pretty unsavory ingredients, so I can't

see that it would make a superior delivery over additive-free capsules:

http://drrons.com/glucosamine-chondroitin-msm.htm

or

http://tinyurl.com/ewevn

but what do I know. Just ask Chris.

B.

[Guest guest]

Hey Deanna:

Definitely a good idea to start with the least-invasive treatements

and hold off on surgery until you are completely out of options.

Also, you said you just got " another steroid injection. " Just be

careful... there can be some side-effects to steroid injections,

especially with multiple injections into the same area.

See:

http://www.webmd.com/content/article/78/95606.htm

Scroll down to " What Side Effects Are Associated With Steroid

Injections? "

Try not to get depressed (easier said than done, I know). I found

that getting a little angry (at my knee, at the dopey docs, etc.)

helped me stay motivated to find out what was really wrong with my

knee.

Keep reading, researching and asking questions!

Good luck,

Doug

>

> Thanks for the info. I'm to the point of doing anything except

surgery after reading all your excerpts. I just got another steroid

injection today. I'm going to try McConnell taping soon. Maybe

orthotics...It's just really so depressing

>

> Deanna

[Guest guest]

Hi Lunugal:

My friend recently suggested I try this for Hannah. She uses for her 5 year old

daughter who has a severe form of Ehler's Danlos (a form of arthritis they are

considering a poissble diagnosis for Hannah). She gives her 1/2 ounce every

morning and said she saw a difference in her joint pain in less than a month. I

personally have not tried this for Hannah, but am considering it.

Beth (Hannah, 10, unspecified arthritis; asthma; gerd; migraines)

Sending prayers & happy thoughts,

Beth :-)

Glucosamine

I was wondering if any one uses glucosamine for their kids for JRA?

And if so has it helped you child and how much do you use?

My son just being diagnosed with JRA, I was thinking of using that, for

it seems to help adults. Of course the doctors can't recommend

anything natural like that, since it isn't approved.

Let me know what u think.

Thanks,

Linugal

(daughter with tethered cord, neurogenic bladder) (son with JRA,

congenital ptosis),( son with ear tubes.)

[Guest guest]

Does she use the glucosamine with the medicine the doctors

prescribed? My son is now on Mortin, just wondering if you can take

both, or you just take one or the other.

if you know what she does let me know?

linuxgal

>

> Hi Lunugal:

>

> My friend recently suggested I try this for Hannah. She uses for

her 5 year old daughter who has a severe form of Ehler's Danlos (a

form of arthritis they are considering a poissble diagnosis for

Hannah). She gives her 1/2 ounce every morning and said she saw a

difference in her joint pain in less than a month. I personally have

not tried this for Hannah, but am considering it.

>

> Beth (Hannah, 10, unspecified arthritis; asthma; gerd; migraines)

>

> Sending prayers & happy thoughts,

> Beth :-)

>

>

>

> Glucosamine

>

> I was wondering if any one uses glucosamine for their kids for JRA?

> And if so has it helped you child and how much do you use?

>

> My son just being diagnosed with JRA, I was thinking of using that,

for

> it seems to help adults. Of course the doctors can't recommend

> anything natural like that, since it isn't approved.

>

> Let me know what u think.

>

> Thanks,

> Linugal

> (daughter with tethered cord, neurogenic bladder) (son with JRA,

> congenital ptosis),( son with ear tubes.)

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

From what I have read this is good for Osteoarthritis not Rheumatoid Arthritis.

Can it hurt? I really don't know but always tell your doctor about natural meds

you use because they can interact with other medications. I have a friend with

RA who swears it helps his need but he is also due for a knee replacement.

e, mom to joe 20 poly + lupus

linuxgal77 <stanrock@...> wrote:

I was wondering if any one uses glucosamine for their kids for JRA?

And if so has it helped you child and how much do you use?

My son just being diagnosed with JRA, I was thinking of using that, for

it seems to help adults. Of course the doctors can't recommend

anything natural like that, since it isn't approved.

Let me know what u think.

Thanks,

Linugal

(daughter with tethered cord, neurogenic bladder) (son with JRA,

congenital ptosis),( son with ear tubes.)

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[Guest guest]

Don't do it!!!

It can hurt a growing childs cartlidge.

[Guest guest]

I use it myself - I am 37 and had JRA since age 3.

I take a supplement with 500 mg Glucosamine and 400mg of Chondroitin

combined. It has done WONDERS for me. I take 2 pills per day and can

definitely tell

if I run out or miss a day on accident. My rhumatologist is aware and has no

problems with my using it - BUT I am an adult so no growth issues etc.

Just my 2 cents worth LOL

love, prayers, and blessings

(age 37 - dx poly @ age 3)

[Guest guest]

I take the Glocho/Chond supplement along with tylenol, ibuprofen and

prednisone. I also took it along with Celebrex until I discontinues the

celebrex.

love, prayers, and blessings

(age 37 - dx poly @ age 3)

[Guest guest]

Yah ! I just read that some astronomical number of people

over 65 couldn't even lift a gallon of milk, so " You go, Girl! " - but

sorry you got injured.

Vitamin C does a lot for the pain of suddenly working harder than your

muscles are used to, but you need to take it in the grams amounts, like

2 grams (4 - 500 mg capsules).

As for the glucosamine, have you read " Broth is Beautiful " ? It says

that bone broth was the original source of glucosamine and since it

comes with the other nutrients from the cartilage and bones is probably

more likely to work well for you than some capsules. You need to use

the bones that have cartilage on them, but you can pick them up pretty

cheaply in stores. While I try to stay away from factory-farmed meats,

I do often get bones for soup at the grocery store, because the grass-

fed folks run out of them so quickly.

I'll also buy a free-range chicken and cut off the meat into different

meals - breasts, then legs/thighs and freeze them and then cook up the

remainder of the carcass for soup. Lately the soup is going over

better than the other stuff!

A fish store near me sells 15 lb bags of frozen fish bones for around

$2.00 - they're a great source of soup stock if you don't mind the

house smelling fishy for a day or two. Cooking something with vinegar

later will help get rid of the fishy odor. My family's favorite meal

from that stock is gumbo.

>

> Does anyone know whether the cheap stuff you get from the drugstore

or

> Costco is just as good as expensive stuff?

>

> I'm 63 and working physically way too hard and I hurt all over. Also

> have a recently acquired winged scapula. Fell on other elbow and now

> arm hurts with no feeling in parts of the back of my hand. Fell weeks

> ago and no change.

>

> I'm a mess.

>

> Parashis

>

[Guest guest]

Broth is what I would do if could afford but have to order and nothing

around here to go get.

But that IS the best.

On Apr 4, 2008, at 5:21 AM, haecklers wrote:

> Vitamin C does a lot for the pain of suddenly working harder than your

> muscles are used to, but you need to take it in the grams amounts, like

> 2 grams (4 - 500 mg capsules).

>

> As for the glucosamine, have you read " Broth is Beautiful " ? It says

> that bone broth was the original source of glucosamine and since it

> comes with the other nutrients from the cartilage and bones is probably

> more likely to work well for you than some capsules. You need to use

> the bones that have cartilage on them, but you can pick them up pretty

> cheaply in stores. While I try to stay away from factory-farmed meats,

> I do often get bones for soup at the grocery store, because the grass-

> fed folks run out of them so quickly.

>

> I'll also buy a free-range chicken and cut off the meat into different

> meals - breasts, then legs/thighs and freeze them and then cook up the

> remainder of the carcass for soup. Lately the soup is going over

> better than the other stuff!

>

> A fish store near me sells 15 lb bags of frozen fish bones for around

> $2.00 - they're a great source of soup stock if you don't mind the

> house smelling fishy for a day or two. Cooking something with vinegar

> later will help get rid of the fishy odor. My family's favorite meal

> from that stock is gumbo.

Parashis

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[Guest guest]

Hard to tell unless you can find out who the original manufactuer is. Most

vitamins and supplements come from a few sources that bottle for the various

brands.

To be safe, just by a brand you are comfortable with and have had good success

with in the past.

Glucosamine

Does anyone know whether the cheap stuff you get from the drugstore or

Costco is just as good as expensive stuff?

I'm 63 and working physically way too hard and I hurt all over. Also

have a recently acquired winged scapula. Fell on other elbow and now

arm hurts with no feeling in parts of the back of my hand. Fell weeks

ago and no change.

I'm a mess.

Parashis

[Guest guest]

I don't get most of what you said.

What is GMP standards? Is that a company that sells glucosamine?

What is MSM? Is it for humans too?

Sorry to seem so dull but this is important to me.

I don't want to load up on too much Calcium so worry about Dr. Ron's

glucosamine chondroitin made from shells of shellfish. It's dangerous

to take too much calcium, it goes to the wrong places. A recent xray

showed calcium along a neck muscle.

On Apr 26, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Kindscher (Charter) wrote:

> If you want the best you have to make sure they have standardized

> product and also quality testing, like GMP standards. His prices are

> high but I could not find info on other stuff. I just bought some pure

> MSM for my horse that is $8.00 for about a pound, I will know if it

> works because the horse is pretty sore right now. I use a product with

> n-acytl-glucosamine (sp?) and its has worked well too.

>

> Parashis wrote:

>>

>>

>> This is to the group. I want to order glucosamine chondroitin so

>> looked

>> up Dr. Ron's site. His is made from shells of shellfish.

>>

>> I thought it was from bovine hoofs and such. Anyone know why the

>> shellfish would be the same? I want to order the best.

>>

>>

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