Vitamin A

January 2, 2002

If that were true, why would they fortify milk with both A & D?

Steve

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I just received a box full of supplements, including Vitamin A drops--5,000

IU--, from Dr. Research Association. Now, I received an e-mail from a

friend that states that Vitamin A inhibits Vitamin D to help absorb calcium.

I cannot imagine Dr. Res. Association to sell a product that would be

damaging in any form. So far I have been very succesful with Dr. 's

recommendations.

Any comments? I'd really appreciate them. (I have osteoporosis) Thanks.

This is the article:

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

January 2, 2002

Chicago - Too much vitamin A may increase the risk of hip fractures in older

women, according to a new study that researchers say suggests the need to

reevaluate the levels in supplements and fortified food.

Vitamin A is important for such things as healthy skin and hair, and bone

growth. But in this study, researchers found that women with the highest total

intake, both from food and vitamin supplements, had double the risk of hip

fractures compared with women with the lowest intake. The study is published in

today's Journal of the American Medical Association.

One theory is that too much vitamin A inhibits the ability of vitamin D to help

the body absorb calcium, said lead author Diane Feskanich, an epidemiologist at

Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston. She said previous studies also suggest

vitamin A affects cells that work in bone remodeling - the breakdown and

rebuilding of bone.

January 3, 2002

You need to contact Diane Feskanich, at Brigham and Women's Hospital

in Boston to get the answer to your question. Or read the article in

JAMA and see what they gave to people in the study.

Leo

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> I just received a box full of supplements, including Vitamin A

> drops--5,000 IU--, from Dr. Research Association.

> Now, I received an e-mail from a friend that states that Vitamin A

> inhibits Vitamin D to help absorb calcium.

> I cannot imagine Dr. Res. Association to sell a product that

> would be damaging in any form. So far I have been very

> succesful with Dr. 's recommendations.

> Any comments? I'd really appreciate them. (I have osteoporosis)

> Thanks.

>

> This is the article:

>

> THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

>

> January 2, 2002

>

> Chicago - Too much vitamin A may increase the risk of hip

> fractures in older women, according to a new study that

> researchers say suggests the need to reevaluate the levels in

> supplements and fortified food.

>

> Vitamin A is important for such things as healthy skin and hair,

> and bone growth. But in this study, researchers found that

> women with the highest total intake, both from food and vitamin

> supplements, had double the risk of hip fractures compared with

> women with the lowest intake. The study is published in today's

> Journal of the American Medical Association.

>

> One theory is that too much vitamin A inhibits the ability of

vitamin

> D to help the body absorb calcium, said lead author Diane

> Feskanich, an epidemiologist at Brigham and Women's Hospital

> in Boston. She said previous studies also suggest vitamin A

> affects cells that work in bone remodeling - the breakdown and

> rebuilding of bone.

January 5, 2002

Dear Steve:

I don't have an answer for you. I just have more questions. Questions that

perhaps need looking at. Is it possible that osteoporosis is a condition that

has turned in on itself? By that I mean, perhaps the body intake of calcium is

full to capacity. Maybe the system needs magnesium oxide to help the body absorb

its own calcium. Just a thought. I know that this approach has worked for me.

Good luck with finding the answer. I really don't know about the Vit A & D

issue.----------

Yours,

Joan

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> If that were true, why would they fortify milk with both A & amp; D?

>

> Steve

> --------------------------------------------------------------

> I just received a box full of supplements, including Vitamin A & nbsp;

> drops--5,000 IU--, from Dr. Research Association. Now, I received an

> e-mail from a friend that states that Vitamin A & nbsp; inhibits Vitamin D to

> help absorb calcium. & nbsp;

> I cannot imagine Dr. Res. Association to sell a product that & nbsp; would

> be damaging in any form. & nbsp; & nbsp; So far I have been very & nbsp; succesful

> with Dr. 's recommendations. & nbsp;

> Any comments? & nbsp; I'd really appreciate them. (I have osteoporosis)

> Thanks.

>

> This is the article:

>

> THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

>

> January 2, 2002

>

> Chicago - Too much vitamin A may increase the risk of hip & nbsp; fractures in

> older women, according to a new study that & nbsp; researchers say suggests the

> need to reevaluate the levels in & nbsp; supplements and fortified food.

>

> Vitamin A is important for such things as healthy skin and hair, & nbsp; and

> bone growth. But in this study, researchers found that & nbsp; women with the

> highest total intake, both from food and vitamin & nbsp; supplements, had double

> the risk of hip fractures compared with & nbsp; women with the lowest intake.

> The study is published in today's & nbsp; Journal of the American Medical

> Association.

>

> One theory is that too much vitamin A inhibits the ability of vitamin & nbsp; D

> to help the body absorb calcium, said lead author Diane & nbsp; Feskanich, an

> epidemiologist at Brigham and Women's Hospital & nbsp; in Boston. She said

> previous studies also suggest vitamin A & nbsp; affects cells that work in bone

> remodeling - the breakdown and & nbsp; rebuilding of bone.

>

>

May 4, 2002

This is a post that didn't get a reply. I know this is late, but it

could still help someone. Could someone help out...

>>> I'm wanting to give my son CLO and I know you have to be careful

about giving too much vit A. If I give him CLO it has the full

amount he should recieve in a day. But the DHA I give him also has

vit A in it, so if I give both then he would be getting too much A.

The DHA has Omega 3 in it. Does the CLO?

> Diane

May 4, 2002

> This is a post that didn't get a reply. I know this is late, but it

> could still help someone. Could someone help out...

>

> >>> I'm wanting to give my son CLO and I know you have to be

careful

> about giving too much vit A. If I give him CLO it has the full

> amount he should recieve in a day. But the DHA I give him also has

> vit A in it, so if I give both then he would be getting too much

A.

> The DHA has Omega 3 in it. Does the CLO?

I give both CLO and DHA. I'm not an expert, but I'm fairly sure that

the DHA doesn't have vit. A in it.

HTH.

Peace and grace,

Sally, mom to

Tom, 7yo dx AS but on the road to recovery (thanks mainly to Houston

enzymes!)

Ben, 5yo NT by the grace of God

Gracie, 1yo NT and unvaccinated

May 5, 2002

From Andy Cutler:

Vitamin A increases mucosal immunity and integrity. 25,000 to 50,000

IU a day is a reasonable dose with the ONE caveat that it can be

teratogenic so women who are or might become pregnant should not take

more than 10,000 IU of vitamin A per day. Very few of these children

have any chance of getting pregnant, so this isn't an issue. Note

that beta carotene is NOT vitamin A, it is pro-vitamin A, requires

liver action to convert it, and it also speeds up phase 1 metaoblism

which a lot of these kids have trouble with.

May 5, 2002

> >>> I'm wanting to give my son CLO and I know you have to be careful

> about giving too much vit A. If I give him CLO it has the full

> amount he should recieve in a day.

Megson recommends 2500 IU for a young child, 5000 for an adult. Some

people recommend you can go higher than that tho. I use about 6000 IU

per day for my son who is age 6.

Dana

July 1, 2002

> One thing I would like to comment on though,

> you said:

>

> > I suggest it because, unlike the Megson protocol, it actually

works.

> >

> I'm not sure what you mean by this but a tremendous number of kids

are

> responding very well to Megson's CLO protocol which takes out all

palmitate

> forms of A.

Every single parent I know who subsequently tried ANY RANDOM form of

vitamin A in an adequate dose (25-50,000 IU a day) then found out what

responding very well meant, and ceased to describe the modest

improvements they saw on the Megson protocol in glowing terms. I

think this is a problem with the different things relative words can

mean, like the MD definition of cured versus the reasonable person

definition of cured.

I don't dispute that if you use a woefully inadequate dose of vitamin

A there may be noticeable differences in the modest response observed

to the assorted different forms. I am saying that if you use an

adequate dose of any form at all, it works MUCH better than an

inadequate dose of even the " best " form.

> My child is one of those.

I am glad this protocol is working for your child.

I do NOT argue about these things just to flip $#(+ at the doctors - I

wish everything they did worked for all the kids.

I point out problems because it is much more important that every

child get better than that any particular person's ego gets stroked.

Which includes that if anyone's child improves dramatically because

they did exactly the opposite of what I suggest, I am still glad their

kid is better.

You're one of the people who did a lot of stuff I recommend against,

your kid improved a lot on it, and you make wonderful, thoughtful

contributions to the list that offer people a well reasoned

alternative view to what I say. I really appreciate this and it is a

great service to other parents. Sometimes I am pretty bombastic in

how I present things, but my experience on the list is that people are

having a lot of trouble listening and understanding things from all

the different viewpoints and if I am NOT pretty dramatic they don't

hear what I have to say. Also, as I have said, I pretty much " let my

hair down " on list and just speak my mind because I spend a lot of

time posting and it would be unreasonably burdensome for me to

" sanitize " everything I have to say and make a lot of extra posts to

politely and moderately convey things that I can get across by being

very direct - even brutal - in my posts.

BTW, I also think most of the doc's whose protocols I criticize are

decent reasonable people trying to do the right thing. Sometimes I

just think they could do it even more " right. " I don't say that kind

of thing without very strong reasons to believe it.

Andy . . .

July 1, 2002

What I think is interesting is that high doses of Vitamin are used to treat

measles.......mmmm. Here's my kid that most likely has measles in his gut and

recent reports would say possibly in his spinal fluid....maybe the A in high

doses helps so much because it knocks this out.

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