Re: Send Kim: Pearls of Wisdom from your Pediatrician

[Guest guest]

Great idea to create a quotation hall of shame. I'll have to give

this some thought. I've heard so much stupid **** from doctors by

now that it's all a wash. There was a funny moment when an SP openly

scrutinized Dh and I to figure out which one of us was the

autism " carrier " , but it's not a sound bite. Hmmm.

>

> Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things your ped

has

> said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or your

child.

> Here's one of my own: " I've never heard of a family with more than

one

> child with autism. " 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes, that

CHOP.

> That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next March (more

on

> that later.)

>

> You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros. Like my

neuro

> favorite, " She's having seizures because she's autistic and wired

> differently. " That one is in my book.

>

> Send them to me ASAP at KimStagliano@... please.

>

> Thank you.

>

[Guest guest]

Challenge accepted, Kim. How about these statements all from the " Most

Distinguished

Pediatrician " in Ann Arbor "

(Caveat: the nearest my child ever got to a dx of autism is a " A

Little-Maybe-Sort-of PDD-

NOS. " But then, we have had all the identical lab findings, learning,

emotional, behavioral

and mercury toxicity challenges.)

" The problem with tests like the MRI is that, while they are very useful for

ruling things in

or out, sometimes things are uncovered that only lead to unanswerable questions.

Very

rarely does an 8 year old boy have an MRI. If all 8 year old boys had MRIs,

then maybe we

would know that demylination of the brain is very common and no cause for

concern. "

On mom's concerns about EXTREME behavior issues/endless tantrums, etc at 18

months:

" Well, temperament comes into it. Don't forget, he has a redheaded mother. "

On radiologist's MRI report: " Well, what he's getting at is MS. But, he's too

young to have

MS. In fact, if he develops MS as an adult, scientist's will be really excited

about the fact

that there were markers for MS as early as 8 yrs. of age. "

One of my favorite quotes from this man, which should have told me a lot about

his level

of scientific sophistication - but is not on the topic of developmental

disorders: " No,

cranberry juice does NOT cure bladder infections. There have been no studies

that say

that it does. "

"

>

> Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things your ped has

> said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or your child.

> Here's one of my own: " I've never heard of a family with more than one

> child with autism. " 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes, that CHOP.

> That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next March (more on

> that later.)

>

> You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros. Like my neuro

> favorite, " She's having seizures because she's autistic and wired

> differently. " That one is in my book.

>

> Send them to me ASAP at KimStagliano@... please.

>

> Thank you.

>

[Guest guest]

You just reminded me. I sent Kim directly one story. But, when we went to see the developmental ped.

She said “get him in a good preschool. That’s about all you can do”. And when I asked about

Mercury or the diet she said “all of that is experimental”.

Meanwhile- the diet and biomed helped my son 1000 times more than his mediocre preschool.

On 10/31/07 10:38 AM, " Hirzel " <mhirzel@...> wrote:

Challenge accepted, Kim. How about these statements all from the " Most Distinguished

Pediatrician " in Ann Arbor "

(Caveat: the nearest my child ever got to a dx of autism is a " A Little-Maybe-Sort-of PDD-

NOS. " But then, we have had all the identical lab findings, learning, emotional, behavioral

and mercury toxicity challenges.)

" The problem with tests like the MRI is that, while they are very useful for ruling things in

or out, sometimes things are uncovered that only lead to unanswerable questions. Very

rarely does an 8 year old boy have an MRI. If all 8 year old boys had MRIs, then maybe we

would know that demylination of the brain is very common and no cause for concern. "

On mom's concerns about EXTREME behavior issues/endless tantrums, etc at 18 months:

" Well, temperament comes into it. Don't forget, he has a redheaded mother. "

On radiologist's MRI report: " Well, what he's getting at is MS. But, he's too young to have

MS. In fact, if he develops MS as an adult, scientist's will be really excited about the fact

that there were markers for MS as early as 8 yrs. of age. "

One of my favorite quotes from this man, which should have told me a lot about his level

of scientific sophistication - but is not on the topic of developmental disorders: " No,

cranberry juice does NOT cure bladder infections. There have been no studies that say

that it does. "

"

>

> Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things your ped has

> said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or your child.

> Here's one of my own: " I've never heard of a family with more than one

> child with autism. " 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes, that CHOP.

> That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next March (more on

> that later.)

>

> You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros. Like my neuro

> favorite, " She's having seizures because she's autistic and wired

> differently. " That one is in my book.

>

> Send them to me ASAP at KimStagliano@... please.

>

> Thank you.

>

[Guest guest]

Our ped told this to another mom whose daughter had- unbenounced to

the parents- the " kind of autism that goes away " (I've told the

story here many times: the girl toe-walked, did echolalia, watched

her hands, tantrumed and stimmed and suddenly got over it with no

interventions: the power of estrogen). The pediatrician that this

mom and I both took our kids to said, when this mom asked if she

should worry about her daughter having autism:

" In medical school, we were taught that, when you hear the sound of

hooves, you're supposed to think 'horses', not 'zebras' " .

And my eventual response was, " Welcome to Africa, doc " .

But initially I was actually reassured by this. I so wanted to

believe that the epidemic was just a pharma hyperbolization to sell

more drugs. I was right about one part of that.

>

> Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things your ped

has

> said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or your

child.

> Here's one of my own: " I've never heard of a family with more than

one

> child with autism. " 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes, that

CHOP.

> That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next March (more

on

> that later.)

>

> You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros. Like my

neuro

> favorite, " She's having seizures because she's autistic and wired

> differently. " That one is in my book.

>

> Send them to me ASAP at KimStagliano@... please.

>

> Thank you.

>

[Guest guest]

Best line from lead psychiatrist at Medical College of Georgia following 's diagnosis just before he turned 3---------- His IQ is below 50 and it will never change. Since there are no good services in Goergia or South carolina for him-you might as well pack up and move to North carolina." Maurinechristine <christine@...> wrote: You just reminded me. I sent Kim directly one story. But,

when we went to see the developmental ped.She said “get him in a good preschool. That’s about all you can do”. And when I asked about Mercury or the diet she said “all of that is experimental”.Meanwhile- the diet and biomed helped my son 1000 times more than his mediocre preschool.On 10/31/07 10:38 AM, " Hirzel" <mhirzelgmail> wrote: Challenge accepted, Kim. How about these statements all from the "Most Distinguished Pediatrician" in Ann Arbor"(Caveat: the nearest my child ever got to a dx of autism is a "A Little-Maybe-Sort-of PDD-NOS." But then, we have had all the identical lab findings, learning, emotional, behavioral and mercury toxicity challenges.)"The problem with tests like the MRI is that, while they are very

useful for ruling things in or out, sometimes things are uncovered that only lead to unanswerable questions. Very rarely does an 8 year old boy have an MRI. If all 8 year old boys had MRIs, then maybe we would know that demylination of the brain is very common and no cause for concern."On mom's concerns about EXTREME behavior issues/endless tantrums, etc at 18 months:"Well, temperament comes into it. Don't forget, he has a redheaded mother."On radiologist's MRI report: "Well, what he's getting at is MS. But, he's too young to have MS. In fact, if he develops MS as an adult, scientist's will be really excited about the fact that there were markers for MS as early as 8 yrs. of age."One of my favorite quotes from this man, which should have told me a lot about his level of scientific sophistication - but is not on the topic of developmental disorders: "No, cranberry juice does NOT

cure bladder infections. There have been no studies that say that it does."">> Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things your ped has > said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or your child. > Here's one of my own: "I've never heard of a family with more than one > child with autism." 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes, that CHOP. > That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next March (more on > that later.)> > You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros. Like my neuro > favorite, "She's having seizures because she's autistic and wired > differently." That one is in my book. > > Send them to me ASAP

at KimStagliano@... please.> > Thank you.> __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Lovely. Just lovely. They treat our kids like roadkill.....

> >

> > Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things your ped

has

> > said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or your

child.

> > Here's one of my own: " I've never heard of a family with more

than one

> > child with autism. " 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes, that

CHOP.

> > That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next March (more

on

> > that later.)

> >

> > You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros. Like my

neuro

> > favorite, " She's having seizures because she's autistic and wired

> > differently. " That one is in my book.

> >

> > Send them to me ASAP at KimStagliano@ please.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I have a friend whose son is probably 12 or 13 now, maybe a year or two

older, and when the son was diagnosed, the doctor told them there isn't

much you can do except, " just take him home and love him. " .

[Guest guest]

On Oct 31, 2007, at 12:56 PM, penelope_fam wrote:

>

> I have a friend whose son is probably 12 or 13 now, maybe a year or

> two

> older, and when the son was diagnosed, the doctor told them there

> isn't

> much you can do except, " just take him home and love him. " .

That's very similar to what the pediatric neurologist who diagnosed

my daughter at UCLA said to me:

" She's autistic. Just enjoy her. "

[Guest guest]

OMG- that is horrible. Is this person still practicing?

On 10/31/07 4:02 PM, " cathylynn2 " <cathybuckley@...> wrote:

On Oct 31, 2007, at 12:56 PM, penelope_fam wrote:

>

> I have a friend whose son is probably 12 or 13 now, maybe a year or

> two

> older, and when the son was diagnosed, the doctor told them there

> isn't

> much you can do except, " just take him home and love him. " .

That's very similar to what the pediatric neurologist who diagnosed

my daughter at UCLA said to me:

" She's autistic. Just enjoy her. "

[Guest guest]

She looked overdue for retirement at the time, so hopefully not!On Oct 31, 2007, at 1:05 PM, christine wrote: OMG- that is horrible.  Is this person still practicing?

[Guest guest]

She's not looking at you because she has found something more

interesting than you to look at. She trying to sit up that's why she

stopped babbling - babies only can learn one thing at a time. Some

babies only move their bowels once a week. Excema runs in the family.

And my favorite...it's just a coincidence.

>

>

> I have a friend whose son is probably 12 or 13 now, maybe a year or

two

> older, and when the son was diagnosed, the doctor told them there

isn't

> much you can do except, " just take him home and love him. " .

>

[Guest guest]

"Kids. What can you do?" - Ped. at Duke Univ. Hospital, NICU 1995"I've never seen a more alert child in all my years of practice." ("Alert"!; this boy was climbing the walls. Literally.)"What does TEACCH say? Well I'd do that.""He's not talking? I wouldn't worry about it yet.""His disabled brother is his role model. Give him time."EOHarm From: inticci@...Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:33:48 +0000Subject: Re: Send Kim: "Pearls of Wisdom" from your Pediatrician

She's not looking at you because she has found something more

interesting than you to look at. She trying to sit up that's why she

stopped babbling - babies only can learn one thing at a time. Some

babies only move their bowels once a week. Excema runs in the family.

And my favorite...it's just a coincidence.

>

>

> I have a friend whose son is probably 12 or 13 now, maybe a year or

two

> older, and when the son was diagnosed, the doctor told them there

isn't

> much you can do except, "just take him home and love him.".

>

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[Guest guest]

So glad you mentioned this. I heard that cliche, as well, from a

useless speech therapist in Orange County, California. It's not just

the docs.

>

>

> I have a friend whose son is probably 12 or 13 now, maybe a year or

two

> older, and when the son was diagnosed, the doctor told them there

isn't

> much you can do except, " just take him home and love him. " .

>

[Guest guest]

These are still painful to me. The doctor we were seeing was so nice, but didn't know a thing.

Some kids don't need as much sleep............My son was crying all night every night.

When I asked about vaccinations and didn't want to vaccinate my daughter she said "Oh Lynne, there's nothing to that. Those parents have only seen their one child. Let me give you the website to the CDC."

These Pearls of Wisdom are really outrageous and it's absurd that these things have been said to us, but there is real pain behind how our kids have been not treated and how our concerns have been brushed aside.

I'm happy to say that we left that office that day never to look back. I have also left many offices never going back, until I have found doctors who did listen, treat, and care for my son.

Interestingly enough, our first nice(ignorant) pediatrician, called me a few weeks ago and wanted to know how my son was doing. I'm going to send her a package of DVD's, test results, and information about biomedical interventions. I'm wondering if she is seeing more and more kids just like . It's too bad she didn't listen to me 2 1/2 years ago. The there are lots of doctors at that practice, and we actually saw all of them. It may all fall of deaf ears, but I have to do something or at least try.

LynneSee what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.

[Guest guest]

Here is my favorite one:

This was a few weeks after the F. Kennedy Jr article was in

Rolling Stone magazine. I went to the pediatrician (which I already

posted on EOH that she is a fricken moron and I only see her for the

school papers to be signed) and she said " I read that article in

Rolling Stone and I want to say to you that I am trully sorry if

what he says is true. We had no idea about Thimerosal and that is

was mercury. " I choked up with tears and said " Thank you, I really

appreciate you honesty " About 5 minutes later she was pushing

vaccine boosters that were due for my daughter saying " I promise

there is no Thimerosal in these shots " I politely said " no thanks

because there is still alluminum and formaldihyde and other toxins

that my kids can't handle! " She thought I was crazy and I just could

not believe that she would think I would EVER vaccinate my child

after reading RFK's article but at least this was a start--

recognition and even an appology--if it were true mind you! They

still think I am the wacky mom who does vodoo medicine like

chelation.

Tina

>

> Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things your ped

has

> said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or your

child.

> Here's one of my own: " I've never heard of a family with more than

one

> child with autism. " 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes, that

CHOP.

> That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next March (more

on

> that later.)

>

> You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros. Like my

neuro

> favorite, " She's having seizures because she's autistic and wired

> differently. " That one is in my book.

>

> Send them to me ASAP at KimStagliano@... please.

>

> Thank you.

>

[Guest guest]

When our son was 3 yrs old and having lots of viruses,illness - his

immune system was a mess. And he would stop eating for a while - which

would land us in the hospital for IV antibotics. Well, the DR told me

the next time it happened to just keep him home, don't feed him, just

give him tylenol and let him go - that he would just pass away on his

own without pain. That DR committed suicide 2 yrs later.

Really these DR's don't know what to do for these kids. Its treat an

ear infection, give them a vaccine, see if they are on the growth

charts. They really don't know much on how to treat serious health

problem's is the bottom line!

In EOHarm , " krstagliano " <KRStagliano@...> wrote:

>

> Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things your ped has

> said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or your child.

> Here's one of my own: " I've never heard of a family with more than

one

> child with autism. " 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes, that

CHOP.

> That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next March (more on

> that later.)

>

> You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros. Like my neuro

> favorite, " She's having seizures because she's autistic and wired

> differently. " That one is in my book.

>

> Send them to me ASAP at KimStagliano@... please.

>

> Thank you.

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things your ped

> has

> > said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or your

> child.

> > Here's one of my own: " I've never heard of a family with more

than

> one

> > child with autism. " 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes, that

> CHOP.

> > That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next March (more

> on

> > that later.)

> >

> > You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros. Like my

> neuro

> > favorite, " She's having seizures because she's autistic and wired

> > differently. " That one is in my book.

> >

> > Send them to me ASAP at KimStagliano@ please.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

>The pede LIED to you. THEY KNEW. They just wanted the free$$$$$$$$

Her apology was fake, as she proved by trying to give you more

vaccine to fill her murderous pocket!

Sammy

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things your ped

has

> > said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or your

child.

> > Here's one of my own: " I've never heard of a family with more

than

> one

> > child with autism. " 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes, that

> CHOP.

> > That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next March (more

on

> > that later.)

> >

> > You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros. Like my

neuro

> > favorite, " She's having seizures because she's autistic and wired

> > differently. " That one is in my book.

> >

> > Send them to me ASAP at KimStagliano@ please.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The ped who gave our kids most of their shots quit his practice and

went to work for the prison system the year that " Evidence of Harm "

came out. He was just the type to read the book and we've always

thought that he decided he wasn't going to harm the innocent

anymore. Only the " guilty " .

> > >

> > > Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things your

ped

> has

> > > said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or your

> child.

> > > Here's one of my own: " I've never heard of a family with more

> than

> > one

> > > child with autism. " 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes,

that

> > CHOP.

> > > That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next March

(more

> on

> > > that later.)

> > >

> > > You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros. Like

my

> neuro

> > > favorite, " She's having seizures because she's autistic and

wired

> > > differently. " That one is in my book.

> > >

> > > Send them to me ASAP at KimStagliano@ please.

> > >

> > > Thank you.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I asked a basic question about diet when our daughter was first

diagnosed, her ped literally rolled her eyes at me and said, " When

parents have a child with autism, they're desperate. But there's

really nothing you can do. "

>

> Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things your ped has

> said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or your child.

> Here's one of my own: " I've never heard of a family with more than

one

> child with autism. " 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes, that

CHOP.

> That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next March (more on

> that later.)

>

> You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros. Like my neuro

> favorite, " She's having seizures because she's autistic and wired

> differently. " That one is in my book.

>

> Send them to me ASAP at KimStagliano@... please.

>

> Thank you.

>

[Guest guest]

Wowee wow wow wow. Did you know that docs can perform the lethal

injections because it goes against their own to do no harm? Ah, the

bitter irony of it.

> > > >

> > > > Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things your

> ped

> > has

> > > > said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or your

> > child.

> > > > Here's one of my own: " I've never heard of a family with more

> > than

> > > one

> > > > child with autism. " 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes,

> that

> > > CHOP.

> > > > That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next March

> (more

> > on

> > > > that later.)

> > > >

> > > > You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros. Like

> my

> > neuro

> > > > favorite, " She's having seizures because she's autistic and

> wired

> > > > differently. " That one is in my book.

> > > >

> > > > Send them to me ASAP at KimStagliano@ please.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Prison doc = psych meds.

My sister used to recruit them.

CGF

> >

> > The ped who gave our kids most of their shots quit his practice and

> > went to work for the prison system the year that " Evidence of Harm "

> > came out. He was just the type to read the book and we've always

> > thought that he decided he wasn't going to harm the innocent

> > anymore. Only the " guilty " .

[Guest guest]

I was just thinking yesterday and today about how peds have been

turned into executioners and have obviously (according to this

thread) developed an executioner mentality in a lot of cases. So

actually being one is probably not a big leap.

Many might have started out with integrity and were sort of

inculcated over the years until they vaguely may have realized

they'd been doing hits for the pharma mob all along and had too big

a pile of bodies behind them to ever turn back and truly seek

redemption.

Except that my sister, a nurse and single mother, gave up nursing to

go back to school when she found out about the shots, so, eh, I

don't have that much sympathy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things

your

> > ped

> > > has

> > > > > said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or

your

> > > child.

> > > > > Here's one of my own: " I've never heard of a family with

more

> > > than

> > > > one

> > > > > child with autism. " 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes,

> > that

> > > > CHOP.

> > > > > That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next

March

> > (more

> > > on

> > > > > that later.)

> > > > >

> > > > > You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros.

Like

> > my

> > > neuro

> > > > > favorite, " She's having seizures because she's autistic

and

> > wired

> > > > > differently. " That one is in my book.

> > > > >

> > > > > Send them to me ASAP at KimStagliano@ please.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I had a pediatrician once say that there was only one doctor in

England (Wakefield) who claimed the MMR might cause a problem but he

was run out of his own country as a quack. I wanted to strangle her

so bad that day. I just looked at her like she was nuts. I then

spent that entire year sending her info on the dangers of the

vaccines and Thimerosal for only to say the next year that my

sources were " questionable " She also looked at my daughters DDI

toxic urine report that showed Lead and Aluminum far into the red

zone and was at first nervous but then saw it was a urine test and

she COMPLETELY dismissed it as being false. I was so crushed because

to me that is the smoking gun and she had the damn bullets!

PEDIATRICIANS ARE THE QUACKS!!!!!!!

Tina

>

> Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things your ped

has

> said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or your

child.

> Here's one of my own: " I've never heard of a family with more than

one

> child with autism. " 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes, that

CHOP.

> That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next March (more

on

> that later.)

>

> You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros. Like my

neuro

> favorite, " She's having seizures because she's autistic and wired

> differently. " That one is in my book.

>

> Send them to me ASAP at KimStagliano@... please.

>

> Thank you.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,

Our ped in Oregon told us, " That's not green discharge coming from his penis,

that's just

diarrhea " . After weeks of his first morning urine in the potty and in his

pull-up being

silty-green. Yeah, and I, who friggin whitnessed this, am an odiot.

Subsequently, after an

argument for urine collection, we also established that there was blood in his

urine. It

" must be something viral " .

> >

> > Please send me any brief sentences, thoughts on things your ped

> has

> > said to you (must be true stories) about autism and/or your

> child.

> > Here's one of my own: " I've never heard of a family with more than

> one

> > child with autism. " 1998, ped affiliated with CHOP. Yes, that

> CHOP.

> > That's in my chapter I have coming out in a book next March (more

> on

> > that later.)

> >

> > You can also toss in pearls from dev. peds and neuros. Like my

> neuro

> > favorite, " She's having seizures because she's autistic and wired

> > differently. " That one is in my book.

> >

> > Send them to me ASAP at KimStagliano@ please.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

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