Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Okay, I'll defer to my more " learned " collegues. Perhaps you're right. Time will tell. I'm always willing to back off and talk about it. > >>> > > > >>> > > are you serious? I am sorry you feel this way. I > >> > understand the > >>> > > e-mail was forwarded to Autism Speaks by an Alcoa employee who saw > >> > it posted > >>> > > on an Alcoa bulletin board/intranet. You can't blame AS for that. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > More importantly and to the point of this e-mail, this matter has > >> > nothing to > >>> > > do with morale fiber. If books are needed that is more important > >> > than your > >>> > > ego. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > AS has in fact donated books, videos, and all sorts of materials > >> > to many > >>> > > parent libraries. If you disagree with the philosophy or methods > >> > of the > >>> > > organization that is fine but don't allow families to suffer by > >> > rejecting a > >>> > > generous offer. What is more important to you? > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > As for you comment of " Are they trying to silence me? " I really > >> > don't get > >>> > > the basis of that comment. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > I know you harbor intense rage as is evident by many of your posts > >> > but I > >>> > > fear it is now clouding your judgment in what your real mission > >> > is. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Marty > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > From: autismlink > >>> > > <mailto:EOHarm%40> EOHarm > >>> <mailto:EOHarm%40> > >>> > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:12 AM > >>> > > Subject: Interesting, AS & trust > >>> > > > >>> > > As many of you know, I used to support the walk, quite a bit > >> > actually. > >>> > > Raised $15,000 last year for them at the Pittsburgh walk. Then I > >>> > > found out what they are truly about and decided that it violates my > >>> > > moral fiber to be associated with them. So I quit. > >>> > > > >>> > > Every year, I have solicited my father's former company (a big > >> > fortune > >>> > > 100 company) for donations. This year, I wrote a letter to the > >>> > > employees at the company who had supported me for many years > >> > because > >>> > > my father was the Director of Management Information Systems for > >> > 30+ > >>> > > years to ask them to support us locally. I told them that we were > >> > no > >>> > > longer supporting Autism Speaks because we need to support our > >> > local > >>> > > groups who provide actual help and support to families, etc. I > >> > asked > >>> > > them to support us, in lieu of the walk. > >>> > > > >>> > > Suddenly, I get an email from Alison Singer, asking me if I'd like > >> > to > >>> > > have books for our new parent education center. Our grant writer > >> > had > >>> > > written them a letter asking them for help awhile ago. Hrm. I look > >>> > > at the bottom of the email and lo and behold they have a copy of my > >>> > > email to the fortune 100 company!!! > >>> > > > >>> > > So apparently someone inside this big fortune 100 company > >> > forwarded my > >>> > > email which made it's way to Alison Singer, and suddenly they want > >> > to > >>> > > fund our library. I'm torn. I'm one of their biggest critics, but > >> > we > >>> > > need the books.... however, my moral fiber says NO THANK YOU. > >>> > > > >>> > > Funny that my personal communication to my father's former company > >>> > > (and my brother works there in a Director capacity as well) made > >> > its > >>> > > way to Autism Speaks. > >>> > > > >>> > > Are they trying to silence me? > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Thanks Bob - some of us do speak with those at AS and even work on some much needed projects, but we are not the enemy. Marty is not " one of them " , but he is friends with some at AS, and as a loyal friend will stand up when needed. Sally Colletti > > > > > > are you serious? I am sorry you feel this way. I > > understand the > > > e-mail was forwarded to Autism Speaks by an Alcoa employee who saw > > it posted > > > on an Alcoa bulletin board/intranet. You can't blame AS for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > More importantly and to the point of this e-mail, this matter has > > nothing to > > > do with morale fiber. If books are needed that is more important > > than your > > > ego. > > > > > > > > > > > > AS has in fact donated books, videos, and all sorts of materials > > to many > > > parent libraries. If you disagree with the philosophy or methods > > of the > > > organization that is fine but don't allow families to suffer by > > rejecting a > > > generous offer. What is more important to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > As for you comment of " Are they trying to silence me? " I really > > don't get > > > the basis of that comment. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know you harbor intense rage as is evident by many of your posts > > but I > > > fear it is now clouding your judgment in what your real mission > > is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: autismlink > > > <mailto:EOHarm%40> EOHarm > > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:12 AM > > > Subject: Interesting, AS & trust > > > > > > As many of you know, I used to support the walk, quite a bit > > actually. > > > Raised $15,000 last year for them at the Pittsburgh walk. Then I > > > found out what they are truly about and decided that it violates my > > > moral fiber to be associated with them. So I quit. > > > > > > Every year, I have solicited my father's former company (a big > > fortune > > > 100 company) for donations. This year, I wrote a letter to the > > > employees at the company who had supported me for many years > > because > > > my father was the Director of Management Information Systems for > > 30+ > > > years to ask them to support us locally. I told them that we were > > no > > > longer supporting Autism Speaks because we need to support our > > local > > > groups who provide actual help and support to families, etc. I > > asked > > > them to support us, in lieu of the walk. > > > > > > Suddenly, I get an email from Alison Singer, asking me if I'd like > > to > > > have books for our new parent education center. Our grant writer > > had > > > written them a letter asking them for help awhile ago. Hrm. I look > > > at the bottom of the email and lo and behold they have a copy of my > > > email to the fortune 100 company!!! > > > > > > So apparently someone inside this big fortune 100 company > > forwarded my > > > email which made it's way to Alison Singer, and suddenly they want > > to > > > fund our library. I'm torn. I'm one of their biggest critics, but > > we > > > need the books.... however, my moral fiber says NO THANK YOU. > > > > > > Funny that my personal communication to my father's former company > > > (and my brother works there in a Director capacity as well) made > > its > > > way to Autism Speaks. > > > > > > Are they trying to silence me? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Hey JB, I agree with what you wrote below EXCEPT I don't think Marty is a mole. I am sure he communicates with " Ms. Singer " . That doesn't mean he is in lockstep with Autism Speaks. I know for a fact he is not. He and I disagree on a lot, but I respect him as a parent. As to the rest of it, right on, JB. Institutional arrogance is the tip of the iceberg. The problem is structural and goes back to the very origins of the organization. Look where the initial seed money came from. And it did not come from NAAR, although NAAR certainly solidified the problem. Let's move on to build something better. Bob K. On Jun 11, 2007, at 9:24 PM, bradfordhandley wrote: I have no problem with AS people reading or posting here. But, if you are a mole and you accidentally out yourself by revealing that you know more about a situation than you let on, prepare to be skewered. The most annoying part of this whole story for me is that Ms. Singer did not try to engage you in what your issues with AS might have been, she simply tried to bribe you by fulfilling a request they had previosuly been silent upon. It's that institutional arrogance. Ms. Singer is the same person who encouraged the s to put a statement about on their website and wrote the statement. I guess that makes her 2 for 2, in a Cleveland Cavalier sort of a way. JB > > > > > > > > > > Just curious as to who you are Marty? Do not translate that as > > > > hostile, just really curious. > > > > > > > > > > Still I question why the employee felt the need to forward it > to AS > > > > when was saying she wanted money to stay more local. Was > someone > > > > pissed? It doesn't make sense other than that, someone was mad > she was > > > > skipping the Walk this year... > > > > > > > > > > anyway... > > > > > I don't have much info on the whole thing, don't know who you > are.. > > > > just random thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > I agree with 100% we need to start collecting funds > > locally that > > > > go to local people... I am losing trust BIG national Orgs like AS. > > > > > > > > > > Interesting, AS & trust > > > > > > > > > > As many of you know, I used to support the walk, quite a bit > > actually. > > > > > Raised $15,000 last year for them at the Pittsburgh walk. Then I > > > > > found out what they are truly about and decided that it > violates my > > > > > moral fiber to be associated with them. So I quit. > > > > > > > > > > Every year, I have solicited my father's former company (a big > > fortune > > > > > 100 company) for donations. This year, I wrote a letter to the > > > > > employees at the company who had supported me for many years > because > > > > > my father was the Director of Management Information Systems > for 30+ > > > > > years to ask them to support us locally. I told them that we > were no > > > > > longer supporting Autism Speaks because we need to support our > local > > > > > groups who provide actual help and support to families, etc. I > asked > > > > > them to support us, in lieu of the walk. > > > > > > > > > > Suddenly, I get an email from Alison Singer, asking me if I'd > > like to > > > > > have books for our new parent education center. Our grant > writer had > > > > > written them a letter asking them for help awhile ago. Hrm. I look > > > > > at the bottom of the email and lo and behold they have a copy > of my > > > > > email to the fortune 100 company!!! > > > > > > > > > > So apparently someone inside this big fortune 100 company > > forwarded my > > > > > email which made it's way to Alison Singer, and suddenly they > > want to > > > > > fund our library. I'm torn. I'm one of their biggest critics, > but we > > > > > need the books.... however, my moral fiber says NO THANK YOU. > > > > > > > > > > Funny that my personal communication to my father's former company > > > > > (and my brother works there in a Director capacity as well) > made its > > > > > way to Autism Speaks. > > > > > > > > > > Are they trying to silence me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Thank you. By the way, you don't need to take those books, or if you want, take them and then do what you want, anyway. I suspect you will keep your independence no matter what. On Jun 11, 2007, at 9:24 PM, autismlink wrote: Okay, I'll defer to my more " learned " collegues. Perhaps you're right. Time will tell. I'm always willing to back off and talk about it. > >>> > > > >>> > > are you serious? I am sorry you feel this way. I > >> > understand the > >>> > > e-mail was forwarded to Autism Speaks by an Alcoa employee who saw > >> > it posted > >>> > > on an Alcoa bulletin board/intranet. You can't blame AS for that. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > More importantly and to the point of this e-mail, this matter has > >> > nothing to > >>> > > do with morale fiber. If books are needed that is more important > >> > than your > >>> > > ego. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > AS has in fact donated books, videos, and all sorts of materials > >> > to many > >>> > > parent libraries. If you disagree with the philosophy or methods > >> > of the > >>> > > organization that is fine but don't allow families to suffer by > >> > rejecting a > >>> > > generous offer. What is more important to you? > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > As for you comment of " Are they trying to silence me? " I really > >> > don't get > >>> > > the basis of that comment. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > I know you harbor intense rage as is evident by many of your posts > >> > but I > >>> > > fear it is now clouding your judgment in what your real mission > >> > is. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Marty > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > From: autismlink > >>> > > <mailto:EOHarm%40> EOHarm > >>> <mailto:EOHarm%40> > >>> > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 11:12 AM > >>> > > Subject: Interesting, AS & trust > >>> > > > >>> > > As many of you know, I used to support the walk, quite a bit > >> > actually. > >>> > > Raised $15,000 last year for them at the Pittsburgh walk. Then I > >>> > > found out what they are truly about and decided that it violates my > >>> > > moral fiber to be associated with them. So I quit. > >>> > > > >>> > > Every year, I have solicited my father's former company (a big > >> > fortune > >>> > > 100 company) for donations. This year, I wrote a letter to the > >>> > > employees at the company who had supported me for many years > >> > because > >>> > > my father was the Director of Management Information Systems for > >> > 30+ > >>> > > years to ask them to support us locally. I told them that we were > >> > no > >>> > > longer supporting Autism Speaks because we need to support our > >> > local > >>> > > groups who provide actual help and support to families, etc. I > >> > asked > >>> > > them to support us, in lieu of the walk. > >>> > > > >>> > > Suddenly, I get an email from Alison Singer, asking me if I'd like > >> > to > >>> > > have books for our new parent education center. Our grant writer > >> > had > >>> > > written them a letter asking them for help awhile ago. Hrm. I look > >>> > > at the bottom of the email and lo and behold they have a copy of my > >>> > > email to the fortune 100 company!!! > >>> > > > >>> > > So apparently someone inside this big fortune 100 company > >> > forwarded my > >>> > > email which made it's way to Alison Singer, and suddenly they want > >> > to > >>> > > fund our library. I'm torn. I'm one of their biggest critics, but > >> > we > >>> > > need the books.... however, my moral fiber says NO THANK YOU. > >>> > > > >>> > > Funny that my personal communication to my father's former company > >>> > > (and my brother works there in a Director capacity as well) made > >> > its > >>> > > way to Autism Speaks. > >>> > > > >>> > > Are they trying to silence me? > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Again, Alison is from the metro NY area, as is Marty, just as says. Isn't it possible to have a friend who is with another Autism oiorganization, or are we all just supposed to stop being friends? Separate out some of this idealogy to see some of the " real " people on the inside.... We are all in this together and we are all parents going through the same things. > > > > I don't recall you saying Alcoa either . > > I was waiting for you to " catch " that. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Keep being friends, but educate them. I'm all for sitting down and talking about it. I offered to come to NY to talk to AS at one point. I see real people every day. Had a 1 hour phonecall from a parent sobbing on my phone today telling me that she knows he's autistic. Not talking, toe walking, spinning objects. Nobody will give her a diagnosis or let her in for six months. That's real. That's what I do every day. Thanks for putting it into perspective. -- In EOHarm , " Sally " <rainmanmama@...> wrote: > > Again, Alison is from the metro NY area, as is Marty, just as > says. Isn't it possible to have a friend who is with another Autism > oiorganization, or are we all just supposed to stop being friends? > Separate out some of this idealogy to see some of the " real " people on > the inside.... We are all in this together and we are all parents > going through the same things. > > > > > > > > I don't recall you saying Alcoa either . > > > I was waiting for you to " catch " that. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Well I just got back home and see all the amusing comments as well as the private threat from . Bob, thank you for setting forth some common sense. Regardless of what anyone thinks I do not represent nor work for Autism Speaks. Nobody puts me up to writing any e-mails. What I say like it or not is my personal opinion plain and simple. Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Please explain Alcoa knowledge. > > Well I just got back home and see all the amusing comments as well as the > private threat from . > > > > Bob, thank you for setting forth some common sense. Regardless of what > anyone thinks I do not represent nor work for Autism Speaks. Nobody puts me > up to writing any e-mails. What I say like it or not is my personal > opinion plain and simple. > > > > Marty > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Thank you for continuing to do your great work, . And keep speaking out. You and the other great community groups that are out there for parents - big groups and small - are the soul of the Autism Parents' Movement! On Jun 11, 2007, at 9:46 PM, autismlink wrote: Keep being friends, but educate them. I'm all for sitting down and talking about it. I offered to come to NY to talk to AS at one point. I see real people every day. Had a 1 hour phonecall from a parent sobbing on my phone today telling me that she knows he's autistic. Not talking, toe walking, spinning objects. Nobody will give her a diagnosis or let her in for six months. That's real. That's what I do every day. Thanks for putting it into perspective. -- In EOHarm , " Sally " <rainmanmama@...> wrote: > > Again, Alison is from the metro NY area, as is Marty, just as > says. Isn't it possible to have a friend who is with another Autism > oiorganization, or are we all just supposed to stop being friends? > Separate out some of this idealogy to see some of the " real " people on > the inside.... We are all in this together and we are all parents > going through the same things. > > > > > > > > I don't recall you saying Alcoa either . > > > I was waiting for you to " catch " that. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 There is no mystery here nor anything to hide. After reading 's e-mail I wrote to AS and asked about the situiation. I am not sure how this translates into all the hoopla about this. Anyone can agree or disagree with what I wrote but my words are how I feel not how anyone at AS feels. In fact I am not sure exactly how they feel on this as I did not ask. PS JB feel free to contact me anytime if you want facts so you can make more informed decisions about my actions. Thanks Marty > > > > Well I just got back home and see all the amusing comments as well > as the > > private threat from . > > > > > > > > Bob, thank you for setting forth some common sense. Regardless of > what > > anyone thinks I do not represent nor work for Autism Speaks. > Nobody puts me > > up to writing any e-mails. What I say like it or not is my > personal > > opinion plain and simple. > > > > > > > > Marty > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 I noticed on their 990 the artists formerly known as NAAR maintain an office in the Great White North. Could it be possible that be where the " merchants of Tarshish " are channeling their flow of jack to circumvent U.S. tax reporting? Not an accusation, mind you, but a question. I can't wait until all these pro-CAA organizations are forced to divulge their 2006 and 2007 tax info. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just curious as to who you are Marty? Do not translate > that as > > > > > hostile, just really curious. > > > > > > > > > > > > Still I question why the employee felt the need to forward > it > > to AS > > > > > when was saying she wanted money to stay more local. > Was > > someone > > > > > pissed? It doesn't make sense other than that, someone was > mad > > she was > > > > > skipping the Walk this year... > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway... > > > > > > I don't have much info on the whole thing, don't know who > you > > are.. > > > > > just random thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with 100% we need to start collecting funds > > > locally that > > > > > go to local people... I am losing trust BIG national Orgs > like AS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting, AS & trust > > > > > > > > > > > > As many of you know, I used to support the walk, quite a > bit > > > actually. > > > > > > Raised $15,000 last year for them at the Pittsburgh walk. > Then I > > > > > > found out what they are truly about and decided that it > > violates my > > > > > > moral fiber to be associated with them. So I quit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Every year, I have solicited my father's former company (a > big > > > fortune > > > > > > 100 company) for donations. This year, I wrote a letter to > the > > > > > > employees at the company who had supported me for many > years > > because > > > > > > my father was the Director of Management Information > Systems > > for 30+ > > > > > > years to ask them to support us locally. I told them that > we > > were no > > > > > > longer supporting Autism Speaks because we need to support > our > > local > > > > > > groups who provide actual help and support to families, > etc. I > > asked > > > > > > them to support us, in lieu of the walk. > > > > > > > > > > > > Suddenly, I get an email from Alison Singer, asking me if > I'd > > > like to > > > > > > have books for our new parent education center. Our grant > > writer had > > > > > > written them a letter asking them for help awhile ago. > Hrm. I look > > > > > > at the bottom of the email and lo and behold they have a > copy > > of my > > > > > > email to the fortune 100 company!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > So apparently someone inside this big fortune 100 company > > > forwarded my > > > > > > email which made it's way to Alison Singer, and suddenly > they > > > want to > > > > > > fund our library. I'm torn. I'm one of their biggest > critics, > > but we > > > > > > need the books.... however, my moral fiber says NO THANK > YOU. > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny that my personal communication to my father's former > company > > > > > > (and my brother works there in a Director capacity as well) > > made its > > > > > > way to Autism Speaks. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are they trying to silence me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Wow, I am reading some of the comments attacking Marty's character like " Hand in the cookie jar " Come on. This is nonsense and baseless JB. You make these baseless claims like Oprah having strong moral fiber, but when you are challenged to debate it you refuse to. What do you know about Marty where you can say someone put him up to it? Marty's experience with insurance was very helpful in getting the NY insurance bill passed. I didn't care what he thought about thimerosal when we were working on the insurance bill. I know he was focused on making it happen and collaboration worked for these kids and families. You guys are attacking the wrong person with baseless claims and owe Marty an apology in my humble opinion. > > Well I just got back home and see all the amusing comments as well as the > private threat from . > > > > Bob, thank you for setting forth some common sense. Regardless of what > anyone thinks I do not represent nor work for Autism Speaks. Nobody puts me > up to writing any e-mails. What I say like it or not is my personal > opinion plain and simple. > > > > Marty > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 I'd like to know why Bob keeps defending someone who is clearly for AS. > > > > > > Just curious as to who you are Marty? Do not translate that as > > hostile, just really curious. > > > > > > Still I question why the employee felt the need to forward it to AS > > when was saying she wanted money to stay more local. Was > someone > > pissed? It doesn't make sense other than that, someone was mad she > was > > skipping the Walk this year... > > > > > > anyway... > > > I don't have much info on the whole thing, don't know who you are.. > > just random thoughts. > > > > > > I agree with 100% we need to start collecting funds locally > that > > go to local people... I am losing trust BIG national Orgs like AS. > > > > > > Interesting, AS & trust > > > > > > As many of you know, I used to support the walk, quite a bit > actually. > > > Raised $15,000 last year for them at the Pittsburgh walk. Then I > > > found out what they are truly about and decided that it violates my > > > moral fiber to be associated with them. So I quit. > > > > > > Every year, I have solicited my father's former company (a big > fortune > > > 100 company) for donations. This year, I wrote a letter to the > > > employees at the company who had supported me for many years > because > > > my father was the Director of Management Information Systems for > 30+ > > > years to ask them to support us locally. I told them that we were > no > > > longer supporting Autism Speaks because we need to support our > local > > > groups who provide actual help and support to families, etc. I > asked > > > them to support us, in lieu of the walk. > > > > > > Suddenly, I get an email from Alison Singer, asking me if I'd like > to > > > have books for our new parent education center. Our grant writer > had > > > written them a letter asking them for help awhile ago. Hrm. I look > > > at the bottom of the email and lo and behold they have a copy of my > > > email to the fortune 100 company!!! > > > > > > So apparently someone inside this big fortune 100 company > forwarded my > > > email which made it's way to Alison Singer, and suddenly they want > to > > > fund our library. I'm torn. I'm one of their biggest critics, but > we > > > need the books.... however, my moral fiber says NO THANK YOU. > > > > > > Funny that my personal communication to my father's former company > > > (and my brother works there in a Director capacity as well) made > its > > > way to Autism Speaks. > > > > > > Are they trying to silence me? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 One question Marty, have you had the porphyns test done on your son AND daughter? I think if you have the guts to do this and the results come back A-Ok, then I'll see some validity to your strong opinions. But if not, then you are keeping your head in the sand, perhaps because the truth can potential hurt your professional reputation and you personally as a parent. Your son may be heavy metal toxic. If you found that out what would you think then? > > > > > > Just curious as to who you are Marty? Do not translate that as > > hostile, just really curious. > > > > > > Still I question why the employee felt the need to forward it to AS > > when was saying she wanted money to stay more local. Was someone > > pissed? It doesn't make sense other than that, someone was mad she was > > skipping the Walk this year... > > > > > > anyway... > > > I don't have much info on the whole thing, don't know who you are.. > > just random thoughts. > > > > > > I agree with 100% we need to start collecting funds locally that > > go to local people... I am losing trust BIG national Orgs like AS. > > > > > > Interesting, AS & trust > > > > > > As many of you know, I used to support the walk, quite a bit actually. > > > Raised $15,000 last year for them at the Pittsburgh walk. Then I > > > found out what they are truly about and decided that it violates my > > > moral fiber to be associated with them. So I quit. > > > > > > Every year, I have solicited my father's former company (a big fortune > > > 100 company) for donations. This year, I wrote a letter to the > > > employees at the company who had supported me for many years because > > > my father was the Director of Management Information Systems for 30+ > > > years to ask them to support us locally. I told them that we were no > > > longer supporting Autism Speaks because we need to support our local > > > groups who provide actual help and support to families, etc. I asked > > > them to support us, in lieu of the walk. > > > > > > Suddenly, I get an email from Alison Singer, asking me if I'd like to > > > have books for our new parent education center. Our grant writer had > > > written them a letter asking them for help awhile ago. Hrm. I look > > > at the bottom of the email and lo and behold they have a copy of my > > > email to the fortune 100 company!!! > > > > > > So apparently someone inside this big fortune 100 company forwarded my > > > email which made it's way to Alison Singer, and suddenly they want to > > > fund our library. I'm torn. I'm one of their biggest critics, but we > > > need the books.... however, my moral fiber says NO THANK YOU. > > > > > > Funny that my personal communication to my father's former company > > > (and my brother works there in a Director capacity as well) made its > > > way to Autism Speaks. > > > > > > Are they trying to silence me? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 WOW - What completely unprofessional behavior. > > > > I don't recall you saying Alcoa either . > > I was waiting for you to " catch " that. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Bob, I would respect his opinion if he hadn't insulted so intensely. > > > > > > Just curious as to who you are Marty? Do not translate that as > > hostile, just really curious. > > > > > > Still I question why the employee felt the need to forward it to > AS > > when was saying she wanted money to stay more local. Was > someone > > pissed? It doesn't make sense other than that, someone was mad she > was > > skipping the Walk this year... > > > > > > anyway... > > > I don't have much info on the whole thing, don't know who you > are.. > > just random thoughts. > > > > > > I agree with 100% we need to start collecting funds > locally that > > go to local people... I am losing trust BIG national Orgs like AS. > > > > > > Interesting, AS & trust > > > > > > As many of you know, I used to support the walk, quite a bit > actually. > > > Raised $15,000 last year for them at the Pittsburgh walk. Then I > > > found out what they are truly about and decided that it violates > my > > > moral fiber to be associated with them. So I quit. > > > > > > Every year, I have solicited my father's former company (a big > fortune > > > 100 company) for donations. This year, I wrote a letter to the > > > employees at the company who had supported me for many years > because > > > my father was the Director of Management Information Systems for > 30+ > > > years to ask them to support us locally. I told them that we > were no > > > longer supporting Autism Speaks because we need to support our > local > > > groups who provide actual help and support to families, etc. I > asked > > > them to support us, in lieu of the walk. > > > > > > Suddenly, I get an email from Alison Singer, asking me if I'd > like to > > > have books for our new parent education center. Our grant writer > had > > > written them a letter asking them for help awhile ago. Hrm. I > look > > > at the bottom of the email and lo and behold they have a copy of > my > > > email to the fortune 100 company!!! > > > > > > So apparently someone inside this big fortune 100 company > forwarded my > > > email which made it's way to Alison Singer, and suddenly they > want to > > > fund our library. I'm torn. I'm one of their biggest critics, > but we > > > need the books.... however, my moral fiber says NO THANK YOU. > > > > > > Funny that my personal communication to my father's former > company > > > (and my brother works there in a Director capacity as well) made > its > > > way to Autism Speaks. > > > > > > Are they trying to silence me? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 That’s TWO questions On 6/11/07 10:52 PM, " patriciaa_67 " <cpand@...> wrote: One question Marty, have you had the porphyns test done on your son AND daughter? I think if you have the guts to do this and the results come back A-Ok, then I'll see some validity to your strong opinions. But if not, then you are keeping your head in the sand, perhaps because the truth can potential hurt your professional reputation and you personally as a parent. Your son may be heavy metal toxic. If you found that out what would you think then? > > > > > > Just curious as to who you are Marty? Do not translate that as > > hostile, just really curious. > > > > > > Still I question why the employee felt the need to forward it to AS > > when was saying she wanted money to stay more local. Was someone > > pissed? It doesn't make sense other than that, someone was mad she was > > skipping the Walk this year... > > > > > > anyway... > > > I don't have much info on the whole thing, don't know who you are.. > > just random thoughts. > > > > > > I agree with 100% we need to start collecting funds locally that > > go to local people... I am losing trust BIG national Orgs like AS. > > > > > > Interesting, AS & trust > > > > > > As many of you know, I used to support the walk, quite a bit actually. > > > Raised $15,000 last year for them at the Pittsburgh walk. Then I > > > found out what they are truly about and decided that it violates my > > > moral fiber to be associated with them. So I quit. > > > > > > Every year, I have solicited my father's former company (a big fortune > > > 100 company) for donations. This year, I wrote a letter to the > > > employees at the company who had supported me for many years because > > > my father was the Director of Management Information Systems for 30+ > > > years to ask them to support us locally. I told them that we were no > > > longer supporting Autism Speaks because we need to support our local > > > groups who provide actual help and support to families, etc. I asked > > > them to support us, in lieu of the walk. > > > > > > Suddenly, I get an email from Alison Singer, asking me if I'd like to > > > have books for our new parent education center. Our grant writer had > > > written them a letter asking them for help awhile ago. Hrm. I look > > > at the bottom of the email and lo and behold they have a copy of my > > > email to the fortune 100 company!!! > > > > > > So apparently someone inside this big fortune 100 company forwarded my > > > email which made it's way to Alison Singer, and suddenly they want to > > > fund our library. I'm torn. I'm one of their biggest critics, but we > > > need the books.... however, my moral fiber says NO THANK YOU. > > > > > > Funny that my personal communication to my father's former company > > > (and my brother works there in a Director capacity as well) made its > > > way to Autism Speaks. > > > > > > Are they trying to silence me? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Marty, You seriously don't see anything wrong with putting in a call to your buddies at AS to get the skinny about a post you saw on here - then coming back to post the company name, show off that you know the scoop, and critisize the person who is asking for feedback on the situation she is in? I appreciate the fact that some of the people I respect the most on this group have come to your (character) defense, but if you don't see what the " hoopla " is all about, it speaks volumes about you and your " opinions " . Forgive me Bob, et al, but sometimes I have to call as I see it. > > > > > > Well I just got back home and see all the amusing comments as > well > > as the > > > private threat from . > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, thank you for setting forth some common sense. Regardless > of > > what > > > anyone thinks I do not represent nor work for Autism Speaks. > > Nobody puts me > > > up to writing any e-mails. What I say like it or not is my > > personal > > > opinion plain and simple. > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 You state "I think if you have the guts to do this and the results come back A-Ok, then I'll see some validity to your strong opinions." You are free to agree or disagree with any of my opinions. That is fine. Guts have nothing to do with this. I would never presume to challenge you to do any medical test for your child. While I do appreciate your suggestion, I will pass on the offer at this time. Thanks Marty> > > >> > > > Just curious as to who you are Marty? Do not translate that as> > > hostile, just really curious.> > > >> > > > Still I question why the employee felt the need to forward it > to AS> > > when was saying she wanted money to stay more local. Was > someone> > > pissed? It doesn't make sense other than that, someone was mad > she was> > > skipping the Walk this year...> > > >> > > > anyway...> > > > I don't have much info on the whole thing, don't know who you > are..> > > just random thoughts.> > > >> > > > I agree with 100% we need to start collecting funds > locally that> > > go to local people... I am losing trust BIG national Orgs like > AS.> > > >> > > > Interesting, AS & trust> > > >> > > > As many of you know, I used to support the walk, quite a bit > actually.> > > > Raised $15,000 last year for them at the Pittsburgh walk. Then > I> > > > found out what they are truly about and decided that it > violates my> > > > moral fiber to be associated with them. So I quit.> > > >> > > > Every year, I have solicited my father's former company (a big > fortune> > > > 100 company) for donations. This year, I wrote a letter to the> > > > employees at the company who had supported me for many years > because> > > > my father was the Director of Management Information Systems > for 30+> > > > years to ask them to support us locally. I told them that we > were no> > > > longer supporting Autism Speaks because we need to support our > local> > > > groups who provide actual help and support to families, etc. I > asked> > > > them to support us, in lieu of the walk.> > > >> > > > Suddenly, I get an email from Alison Singer, asking me if I'd > like to> > > > have books for our new parent education center. Our grant > writer had> > > > written them a letter asking them for help awhile ago. Hrm. I > look> > > > at the bottom of the email and lo and behold they have a copy > of my> > > > email to the fortune 100 company!!!> > > >> > > > So apparently someone inside this big fortune 100 company > forwarded my> > > > email which made it's way to Alison Singer, and suddenly they > want to> > > > fund our library. I'm torn. I'm one of their biggest critics, > but we> > > > need the books.... however, my moral fiber says NO THANK YOU.> > > >> > > > Funny that my personal communication to my father's former > company> > > > (and my brother works there in a Director capacity as well) > made its> > > > way to Autism Speaks.> > > >> > > > Are they trying to silence me?> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Sorry but I forget to comment on " if not, then you are keeping your head in the sand, perhaps because the truth can potential hurt your professional reputation and you personally as a parent " I find your statement quite absurd. I am sorry you must resort to such desperate tatics. Marty > > > > > > > > > > Just curious as to who you are Marty? Do not translate that as > > > > hostile, just really curious. > > > > > > > > > > Still I question why the employee felt the need to forward it > > to AS > > > > when was saying she wanted money to stay more local. Was > > someone > > > > pissed? It doesn't make sense other than that, someone was mad > > she was > > > > skipping the Walk this year... > > > > > > > > > > anyway... > > > > > I don't have much info on the whole thing, don't know who you > > are.. > > > > just random thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > I agree with 100% we need to start collecting funds > > locally that > > > > go to local people... I am losing trust BIG national Orgs like > > AS. > > > > > > > > > > Interesting, AS & trust > > > > > > > > > > As many of you know, I used to support the walk, quite a bit > > actually. > > > > > Raised $15,000 last year for them at the Pittsburgh walk. Then > > I > > > > > found out what they are truly about and decided that it > > violates my > > > > > moral fiber to be associated with them. So I quit. > > > > > > > > > > Every year, I have solicited my father's former company (a big > > fortune > > > > > 100 company) for donations. This year, I wrote a letter to the > > > > > employees at the company who had supported me for many years > > because > > > > > my father was the Director of Management Information Systems > > for 30+ > > > > > years to ask them to support us locally. I told them that we > > were no > > > > > longer supporting Autism Speaks because we need to support our > > local > > > > > groups who provide actual help and support to families, etc. I > > asked > > > > > them to support us, in lieu of the walk. > > > > > > > > > > Suddenly, I get an email from Alison Singer, asking me if I'd > > like to > > > > > have books for our new parent education center. Our grant > > writer had > > > > > written them a letter asking them for help awhile ago. Hrm. I > > look > > > > > at the bottom of the email and lo and behold they have a copy > > of my > > > > > email to the fortune 100 company!!! > > > > > > > > > > So apparently someone inside this big fortune 100 company > > forwarded my > > > > > email which made it's way to Alison Singer, and suddenly they > > want to > > > > > fund our library. I'm torn. I'm one of their biggest critics, > > but we > > > > > need the books.... however, my moral fiber says NO THANK YOU. > > > > > > > > > > Funny that my personal communication to my father's former > > company > > > > > (and my brother works there in a Director capacity as well) > > made its > > > > > way to Autism Speaks. > > > > > > > > > > Are they trying to silence me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 In some ways I don't blame you - it rocked my world too. I know I've not been the nicest to you on the last few posts (I think we're all up in arms about the proceedings today), but I really do wish you would have the tests done. Especially since you're not convinced either way and at least this way you would have a better idea. It would be good to know - just for you. > > > > > > > > > > Just curious as to who you are Marty? Do not translate that as > > > > hostile, just really curious. > > > > > > > > > > Still I question why the employee felt the need to forward it > > to AS > > > > when was saying she wanted money to stay more local. Was > > someone > > > > pissed? It doesn't make sense other than that, someone was mad > > she was > > > > skipping the Walk this year... > > > > > > > > > > anyway... > > > > > I don't have much info on the whole thing, don't know who you > > are.. > > > > just random thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > I agree with 100% we need to start collecting funds > > locally that > > > > go to local people... I am losing trust BIG national Orgs like > > AS. > > > > > > > > > > Interesting, AS & trust > > > > > > > > > > As many of you know, I used to support the walk, quite a bit > > actually. > > > > > Raised $15,000 last year for them at the Pittsburgh walk. Then > > I > > > > > found out what they are truly about and decided that it > > violates my > > > > > moral fiber to be associated with them. So I quit. > > > > > > > > > > Every year, I have solicited my father's former company (a big > > fortune > > > > > 100 company) for donations. This year, I wrote a letter to the > > > > > employees at the company who had supported me for many years > > because > > > > > my father was the Director of Management Information Systems > > for 30+ > > > > > years to ask them to support us locally. I told them that we > > were no > > > > > longer supporting Autism Speaks because we need to support our > > local > > > > > groups who provide actual help and support to families, etc. I > > asked > > > > > them to support us, in lieu of the walk. > > > > > > > > > > Suddenly, I get an email from Alison Singer, asking me if I'd > > like to > > > > > have books for our new parent education center. Our grant > > writer had > > > > > written them a letter asking them for help awhile ago. Hrm. I > > look > > > > > at the bottom of the email and lo and behold they have a copy > > of my > > > > > email to the fortune 100 company!!! > > > > > > > > > > So apparently someone inside this big fortune 100 company > > forwarded my > > > > > email which made it's way to Alison Singer, and suddenly they > > want to > > > > > fund our library. I'm torn. I'm one of their biggest critics, > > but we > > > > > need the books.... however, my moral fiber says NO THANK YOU. > > > > > > > > > > Funny that my personal communication to my father's former > > company > > > > > (and my brother works there in a Director capacity as well) > > made its > > > > > way to Autism Speaks. > > > > > > > > > > Are they trying to silence me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 No I don't. What is the isssue or secret with the company name? Trust me you can call anything how you see it, that is fine with me. Regardless of what you think of AS as an organization some of the people who work there are my friends and are good people. How about that. Thanks Marty > > > > > > > > Well I just got back home and see all the amusing comments as > > well > > > as the > > > > private threat from . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, thank you for setting forth some common sense. > Regardless > > of > > > what > > > > anyone thinks I do not represent nor work for Autism Speaks. > > > Nobody puts me > > > > up to writing any e-mails. What I say like it or not is my > > > personal > > > > opinion plain and simple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Oops missed something: " Guts have nothing to do with this. I would never presume to challenge you to do any medical test for your child. " I think guts has everything to do with it. It takes guts to find out the truth one way or another. I would appreciate someone telling me to give it a try - to have the guts to find out for sure. Not focus on how it happened, but if it's there or not (heavy metal toxicity). I feel like it took a lot of bravery on my part to have the tests done and to look them over and then to do something about it. Much more guts than not knowing and always wondering... > > > > > > > > > > Just curious as to who you are Marty? Do not translate that as > > > > hostile, just really curious. > > > > > > > > > > Still I question why the employee felt the need to forward it > > to AS > > > > when was saying she wanted money to stay more local. Was > > someone > > > > pissed? It doesn't make sense other than that, someone was mad > > she was > > > > skipping the Walk this year... > > > > > > > > > > anyway... > > > > > I don't have much info on the whole thing, don't know who you > > are.. > > > > just random thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > I agree with 100% we need to start collecting funds > > locally that > > > > go to local people... I am losing trust BIG national Orgs like > > AS. > > > > > > > > > > Interesting, AS & trust > > > > > > > > > > As many of you know, I used to support the walk, quite a bit > > actually. > > > > > Raised $15,000 last year for them at the Pittsburgh walk. Then > > I > > > > > found out what they are truly about and decided that it > > violates my > > > > > moral fiber to be associated with them. So I quit. > > > > > > > > > > Every year, I have solicited my father's former company (a big > > fortune > > > > > 100 company) for donations. This year, I wrote a letter to the > > > > > employees at the company who had supported me for many years > > because > > > > > my father was the Director of Management Information Systems > > for 30+ > > > > > years to ask them to support us locally. I told them that we > > were no > > > > > longer supporting Autism Speaks because we need to support our > > local > > > > > groups who provide actual help and support to families, etc. I > > asked > > > > > them to support us, in lieu of the walk. > > > > > > > > > > Suddenly, I get an email from Alison Singer, asking me if I'd > > like to > > > > > have books for our new parent education center. Our grant > > writer had > > > > > written them a letter asking them for help awhile ago. Hrm. I > > look > > > > > at the bottom of the email and lo and behold they have a copy > > of my > > > > > email to the fortune 100 company!!! > > > > > > > > > > So apparently someone inside this big fortune 100 company > > forwarded my > > > > > email which made it's way to Alison Singer, and suddenly they > > want to > > > > > fund our library. I'm torn. I'm one of their biggest critics, > > but we > > > > > need the books.... however, my moral fiber says NO THANK YOU. > > > > > > > > > > Funny that my personal communication to my father's former > > company > > > > > (and my brother works there in a Director capacity as well) > > made its > > > > > way to Autism Speaks. > > > > > > > > > > Are they trying to silence me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 , I would recommend urinary porphyrin profiling to all parents, too. But some kids have disorders not caused by mercury. It is something else, possibly environmental. From my discussions, Marty is aware of all this. I will say this about him, unlike some others Marty does not stand in the way of those of us who believe that our kids were injured by vaccines. These are complicated issues and each parents has to find his or her own way. By the way, I have seen a number of porphryin profile reports that show no mercury toxicity - although the majority do show it. RJK On Jun 11, 2007, at 10:52 PM, patriciaa_67 wrote: One question Marty, have you had the porphyns test done on your son AND daughter? I think if you have the guts to do this and the results come back A-Ok, then I'll see some validity to your strong opinions. But if not, then you are keeping your head in the sand, perhaps because the truth can potential hurt your professional reputation and you personally as a parent. Your son may be heavy metal toxic. If you found that out what would you think then? > > > > > > Just curious as to who you are Marty? Do not translate that as > > hostile, just really curious. > > > > > > Still I question why the employee felt the need to forward it to AS > > when was saying she wanted money to stay more local. Was someone > > pissed? It doesn't make sense other than that, someone was mad she was > > skipping the Walk this year... > > > > > > anyway... > > > I don't have much info on the whole thing, don't know who you are.. > > just random thoughts. > > > > > > I agree with 100% we need to start collecting funds locally that > > go to local people... I am losing trust BIG national Orgs like AS. > > > > > > Interesting, AS & trust > > > > > > As many of you know, I used to support the walk, quite a bit actually. > > > Raised $15,000 last year for them at the Pittsburgh walk. Then I > > > found out what they are truly about and decided that it violates my > > > moral fiber to be associated with them. So I quit. > > > > > > Every year, I have solicited my father's former company (a big fortune > > > 100 company) for donations. This year, I wrote a letter to the > > > employees at the company who had supported me for many years because > > > my father was the Director of Management Information Systems for 30+ > > > years to ask them to support us locally. I told them that we were no > > > longer supporting Autism Speaks because we need to support our local > > > groups who provide actual help and support to families, etc. I asked > > > them to support us, in lieu of the walk. > > > > > > Suddenly, I get an email from Alison Singer, asking me if I'd like to > > > have books for our new parent education center. Our grant writer had > > > written them a letter asking them for help awhile ago. Hrm. I look > > > at the bottom of the email and lo and behold they have a copy of my > > > email to the fortune 100 company!!! > > > > > > So apparently someone inside this big fortune 100 company forwarded my > > > email which made it's way to Alison Singer, and suddenly they want to > > > fund our library. I'm torn. I'm one of their biggest critics, but we > > > need the books.... however, my moral fiber says NO THANK YOU. > > > > > > Funny that my personal communication to my father's former company > > > (and my brother works there in a Director capacity as well) made its > > > way to Autism Speaks. > > > > > > Are they trying to silence me? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Feel free to send me off the list any information you may have on this. I will be glad to read more about it to gain a better understanding. Thanks Marty > > > > > > > > > > > > Just curious as to who you are Marty? Do not translate > that as > > > > > hostile, just really curious. > > > > > > > > > > > > Still I question why the employee felt the need to forward > it > > > to AS > > > > > when was saying she wanted money to stay more local. > Was > > > someone > > > > > pissed? It doesn't make sense other than that, someone was > mad > > > she was > > > > > skipping the Walk this year... > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway... > > > > > > I don't have much info on the whole thing, don't know who > you > > > are.. > > > > > just random thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with 100% we need to start collecting funds > > > locally that > > > > > go to local people... I am losing trust BIG national Orgs > like > > > AS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting, AS & trust > > > > > > > > > > > > As many of you know, I used to support the walk, quite a > bit > > > actually. > > > > > > Raised $15,000 last year for them at the Pittsburgh walk. > Then > > > I > > > > > > found out what they are truly about and decided that it > > > violates my > > > > > > moral fiber to be associated with them. So I quit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Every year, I have solicited my father's former company (a > big > > > fortune > > > > > > 100 company) for donations. This year, I wrote a letter to > the > > > > > > employees at the company who had supported me for many > years > > > because > > > > > > my father was the Director of Management Information > Systems > > > for 30+ > > > > > > years to ask them to support us locally. I told them that > we > > > were no > > > > > > longer supporting Autism Speaks because we need to support > our > > > local > > > > > > groups who provide actual help and support to families, > etc. I > > > asked > > > > > > them to support us, in lieu of the walk. > > > > > > > > > > > > Suddenly, I get an email from Alison Singer, asking me if > I'd > > > like to > > > > > > have books for our new parent education center. Our grant > > > writer had > > > > > > written them a letter asking them for help awhile ago. > Hrm. I > > > look > > > > > > at the bottom of the email and lo and behold they have a > copy > > > of my > > > > > > email to the fortune 100 company!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > So apparently someone inside this big fortune 100 company > > > forwarded my > > > > > > email which made it's way to Alison Singer, and suddenly > they > > > want to > > > > > > fund our library. I'm torn. I'm one of their biggest > critics, > > > but we > > > > > > need the books.... however, my moral fiber says NO THANK > YOU. > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny that my personal communication to my father's former > > > company > > > > > > (and my brother works there in a Director capacity as well) > > > made its > > > > > > way to Autism Speaks. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are they trying to silence me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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