Re: mercury did not cause my son's autism

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I heard the Geiers give a talk before my state Senate. While I

certainly could have misunderstood them, it was my understanding that

the MMR reaction is the result of the thimerosal weakening the immune

system, and that they felt the remaining small percentage had issues

not related to mercury, but I don't recall them still stating it was

MMR related, but I could be wrong. I know my child regressed from hepB

at 9 mos while still scabbed from chicken pox.

Debi

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I have my daughter's cord blood stored. I hope one day I can use it to

show that she was not mercury poisoned at birth and that the mercury

caused her immune changes.

Debi

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I think what's really going on here is that you've used secretin on your child and are feeling defensive that someone is now challenging it and questioning it's safety. Sure, I've done other treatments on my child. But it would be wierd if anyone considered ABA an invasive therapy capable of crippling someone. He used prozac at one point too but there are plenty of studies on that and nobody's physically crippled from it either. I don't think FastForWord ever caused physical injury. Do I have any real reason for making the leap I've made to secretin??? I think a child that suffers in severe pain daily and is now crippled is a pretty good reason to question his previous offlabel usage of a drug where the long term effects of it being used in that way remain a big fat unstudied question mark. Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote: Do you have an real reason for the leap you’ve made to secretin? Is that the ONLY treatment you ever did with your kid? Ever? I doubt it, so I guess neither of us can know that.

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You ever consider the gold salts that worked for the person with

autism and JRA discussed in Olmstead's piece? I feel for him, my

granfather had debilitating RA, I've been diagnosed with a version of

it. I hate to think of any child ever suffering with that.

Debi

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So is your child arthritic or autistic? or both?

Problems mercury can cause Mercury can cause a bewildering variety of problems. In fact, one of the major criticisms of amalgam illness is that it is cited as the cause of so many things. But, like the parable of the blind men and the elephant, mercury can indeed cause many diseases. Modern physicians are not trained to find the root cause of a sick person's problems. They are trained to translate what they see into latin, look it up in their textbook, and apply a cookbook treatment. With a toxin that poisons fundamental metabolic processes different people will experience different symptoms to start off, depending on their own individual biochemistry. As the poisoning becomes more and more serious, further symptoms surface and the modern doctor adds more diagnoses - a patient who starts with depression might later be considered to have hypothyroidism, allergies and asthma in addition. But no thought is given to why one person should develop more and more "diseases," when a single diagnosis - chronic mercury poisoning - could account for them all.

You should take a look at this link:

http://www.noamalgam.com/#diseases

RE: Re: "mercury did not cause my son's autism"

You can't know that. There haven't been any studies to follow up on any of the kids that used secretin longterm. There could be kids out there having problems now. My son is a perfect example. He did daily transdermal secretin for months back in 1999 and today he is suffereing greatly. There could be a connection. He had a diagnosis of JRA but two pediatric rheumatologists have examined him and pointedly said "we're puzzled. JRA is not this aggressive." He has contractures in his neck, shoulders, elbows, wrists, fingers, hips, knees, and ankles. Right now there's no explanation why. For all we know, secretin could be a time bomb. Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote:

No one has ever shown any ill effects from real secretin long term.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of hostler cheriSent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 8:08 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Re: "mercury did not cause my son's autism"

Nobody knows what the long term effects of secretin are.

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Secretin and a variety of other non-curative approaches to autism largely allow the root of our children's problems to remain undressed.

RE: Re: "mercury did not cause my son's autism"

So could air, water, life. Do you have an real reason for the leap you’ve made to secretin? Is that the ONLY treatment you ever did with your kid? Ever? I doubt it, so I guess neither of us can know that.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of hostler cheriSent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 10:45 PMEOHarm Subject: RE: Re: "mercury did not cause my son's autism"

You can't know that. There haven't been any studies to follow up on any of the kids that used secretin longterm. There could be kids out there having problems now. My son is a perfect example. He did daily transdermal secretin for months back in 1999 and today he is suffereing greatly. There could be a connection. He had a diagnosis of JRA but two pediatric rheumatologists have examined him and pointedly said "we're puzzled. JRA is not this aggressive." He has contractures in his neck, shoulders, elbows, wrists, fingers, hips, knees, and ankles. Right now there's no explanation why. For all we know, secretin could be a time bomb. Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote:

No one has ever shown any ill effects from real secretin long term.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of hostler cheriSent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 8:08 PMEOHarm Subject: Re: Re: "mercury did not cause my son's autism"

Nobody knows what the long term effects of secretin are.

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Thank you, Yes, I did consider the gold salts. But he was already started on a chemo drug which has brought down his inflammation. He also uses prednisone and naproysn. It helps him move but he still suffers a lot. Sorry about your own diagnosis. It's unfortunate.. Debi <fightingautism@...> wrote: You ever consider the gold salts that worked for the person with autism and JRA discussed in Olmstead's piece? I feel for him, my granfather had debilitating RA, I've been diagnosed with a version of it. I hate to think of any child ever suffering with that. Debi -

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Cheri: I am glad to see that you are still here. Put aside the secretin issues for now. I wonder if your child might not have had more success with the scd/specific carbohydrate diet. When I tried the scd diet, myself, a few years ago, my persistant digestive ailments cleared up. As of last September, I have found it difficult to keep up with the diet, and all of my nasty digestive side effects have returned. The scd diet may be worth investigating/trying out for your child. Aasahostler cheri <cherielln@...> wrote: Nobody literally is nobody. There haven't been any studies to determine what the long term effects are. It was approved for a medical procedure. It was intended to be used for that purpose - meaning basically the person

would be exposed to it one time. It has been used off label to treat autism.Yes, there are those that have used it and found it successful. I'm talking from experience as someone who used it to treat my child's GI issues and related symptoms. I'm talking about it from the perspective of a parent who now years down the line has a sick child with no explanation as to why. I'm scratching my head and wondering if it was the secretin. Considering the population this drug was used on offlabel it is really hard now to know if they are having problems because many have such severe communication problems they can't verbalize when they are having pain, etc. redhead60707 <redhead60707@...> wrote: There are those who use it and find it successful in treating GIissues and reduce symptoms of

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Sorry, no.  I don’t need to feel

defensive about secretin because I did my research before I used it.  But, are

you kidding me?  prozac can’t be the cause but secretin could?  What about

vaccines?   It could be a billion things.  Is there a REAL reason you think it

might be secretin INSTEAD of prozac?  Instead of a vaccine, or one of their

many dangerous ingredients?   Instead of a virus?  Instead of, oh heck, I think

you get my point, whether you want it or not.  You have no idea what’s

caused his horrible JA, so to make such a leap is just grasping.  I am truly

sorry for his pain, truly.  But it gets no one anywhere to blame treatments

with no basis other than it’s convenient.  I like my science a little

more tangible than that.  I hope you do find a real treatment for his JA,

regardless of the cause.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of hostler cheri

Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 11:09

PM

EOHarm

Subject: RE: Re:

" mercury did not cause my son's autism "

I think what's really going on here is that you've used secretin on

your child and are feeling defensive that someone is now challenging it and

questioning it's safety. Sure, I've done other treatments on my child.

But it would be wierd if anyone considered ABA an invasive therapy capable of crippling

someone. He used prozac at one point too but there are plenty of studies

on that and nobody's physically crippled from it either. I don't think

FastForWord ever caused physical injury.

Do I have any real reason for making the leap I've made to secretin??? I

think a child that suffers in severe pain daily and is now crippled is a pretty

good reason to question his previous offlabel usage of a drug where the long

term effects of it being used in that way remain a big fat unstudied question

mark.

Holly Bortfeld

<maximom@...> wrote:

Do

you have an real reason for the leap you’ve made to secretin? Is

that the ONLY treatment you ever did with your kid? Ever? I doubt

it, so I guess neither of us can know that.

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Do you realize you are using the same argument the pro-vaccine people use regarding mercury? You told me I was just grasping. Then said any number of other things could have caused my kid's illness. And that you liked your science. So show me the research that secretin could not cause longterm damage and then I'll stop questioning it could. Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote:

Sorry, no. I don’t need to feel defensive about secretin because I did my research before I used it. But, are you kidding me? prozac can’t be the cause but secretin could? What about vaccines? It could be a billion things. Is there a REAL reason you think it might be secretin INSTEAD of prozac? Instead of a vaccine, or one of their many dangerous ingredients? Instead of a virus? Instead of, oh heck, I think you get my point, whether you want it or not. You have no idea what’s caused his horrible JA, so to make such a leap is just grasping. I am truly sorry for his pain, truly. But it gets no one anywhere to blame treatments with no basis other than it’s convenient. I like my science a little more tangible than that. I hope you do find a real treatment for his JA, regardless of the cause. From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of hostler cheri Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 11:09 PM EOHarm Subject: RE: Re: "mercury did not cause my son's autism" I think what's really going on here is that you've used secretin on your child and are feeling defensive that someone is now challenging it

and questioning it's safety. Sure, I've done other treatments on my child. But it would be wierd if anyone considered ABA an invasive therapy capable of crippling someone. He used prozac at one point too but there are plenty of studies on that and nobody's physically crippled from it either. I don't think FastForWord ever caused physical injury. Do I have any real reason for making the leap I've made to secretin??? I think a child that suffers in severe pain daily and is now crippled is a pretty good reason to question his previous offlabel usage of a drug where the long term effects of it being used in that way remain a big fat unstudied question mark. Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote: Do you have an real reason for the leap you’ve made to secretin? Is that the ONLY treatment you ever did with your kid? Ever? I doubt it, so I guess neither of us can know that. Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Messenger with Voice.

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Herman,

You're responses are interesting to read but come across on MY screen

as H U G E letters all smooshed together (anyone else??) so it is

hard to read. Can you alter as I always like to read your emails?

Thanks

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Right now, "gold salts" are something to be considered "hypothetically" as a treatment for autism/RA, but no doctor will prescribe this sort of treatment right now, as there is no protocol or route to do this at this time. Aasahostler cheri <cherielln@...> wrote: Thank you, Yes, I did consider the gold salts. But he was already started on a chemo drug which has brought down his inflammation. He also uses prednisone and naproysn. It helps him move but he still suffers a lot. Sorry about your own diagnosis. It's unfortunate.. Debi <fightingautism@...> wrote: You ever consider the gold salts that worked for the person

withautism and JRA discussed in Olmstead's piece? I feel for him, mygranfather had debilitating RA, I've been diagnosed with a version ofit. I hate to think of any child ever suffering with that.Debi- Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

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Kerbob <robertbloch@...> wrote: So is your child arthritic or autistic? or both? Both. And thank you for the link at the bottom. I will check it out. First he was autistic and now at 14 he has crippling rheumatologic problems. He was originally diagnosed with arthritis but specialists are questioning that and saying it is not arthritis because it's too fast moving. Though he'd complained of pain before, he rapidly progressed in a six month period from inflammed to crippled. The post that generated this thread was a response I posted to another thread, I said: For weeks I've belonged to this email group and really believed my son's autism was caused by mercury. (I'm about to get a lot of nasty emails about this but I have to say it because I've been flying the mercury flag). I recently had him tested and on Wednesday found out his mercury levels are within a normal range (normal meaning in keeping with what the general population would have). From this I've concluded mercury did not cause my son's autism. He did have high levels of uranium but he didn't get that from a shot he got it from a shallow mountain well. As far as mercury I'm not saying it doesn't cause autism, I'm just saying it didn't cause my son's. I wanted to believe it did because it gave me hope that he could be chelated and everything would turn out ok. Maybe my son has "true autism" and other children actually have mercury toxicity and suffer from symptoms that

mirror autism. If that is true then autism isn't on the rise, mercury poisoning is. I'm conflicted about the whole subject. I wonder if the rise in autism isn't related to the rise in pollution. Human beings weren't meant to breath in and ingest so much poison. Therefore we need to start taking the environment's health seriously before we destroy ourselves along with the planet. I guess what I'm really trying to say is that if we want to get closer to the truth of what caused our children's autism we should first get them tested for heavy metals. If they don't have mercury poisoning then we should move on to search for the answer elsewhere. If they do then chelate. Since I know my son's not mercury toxic I'm moving on. On thursday I requested to unsubscribe to this group but it hasn't kicked in yet. For the record I still think it's absolutely stupid to give mercury to a

baby. And it's stupid to give them vaccines for what used to be normal childhood illnesses (ie chicken pocks, mumps) because now that people aren't getting exposed to these diseases in childhood when they get them in adulthood they cause way more problems than they would have in childhood (my coworkers college aged brother in law - who happened to be autistic - died of chicken pox this year). I think you're all onto something though and should continue fighting the good fight because so many of you do have evidence of harm - you've tested your kids and their off the charts with mercury. Good luck to all of you. I wish good things for you Kerbob <robertbloch@...> wrote:You should take a look at this link: Problems mercury can cause http://www.noamalgam.com/#diseases

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Is JA juvenile arthritis? One of the first 11 children to have a documented case of autism (one of Kanner's original group) had a severe later onset case of arthritis, that he almost died from. Later onset in this case was around age 10. Juvenile arthritis has also sky rocketed since 1988. The label for thimerasol says danger of delayed effects. Couple that with the fact that just about every mercury poisoning webiste documents arthritis as a long term side effect of mercury poisoning. It is not a coincidence that many autistic kids have a grandparent with rheumatoid arthritis. CP and a whole host of other "goodies" are documented side effects of mercury toxicity. Also, I am not aware of any studies that have looked at the long term side effects of Prozac on children. One study examined the DNA of 8 year old boys who were put

on Ritalin (and drugs in the same family) -- 100% of the boys experienced a significant increase in the chromosonal abnormalities that would predisopose them to cancer and heart disease. I really think we need to stay as far away as possible from criticizing any parent for trying to recover their child == the problem is no research has done because the evil doers at the AAP, AMA, CDC and Pharma who control the research are the same ones who poisoned this generation of children in the first place. VeraHolly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote: Sorry, no. I don’t need to feel defensive about secretin because I did my research before I used it. But, are you kidding me? prozac can’t be the cause but secretin could? What about vaccines? It could be a billion things. Is there a REAL reason you think it might be secretin INSTEAD of prozac? Instead of a vaccine, or one of their many dangerous ingredients? Instead of a virus? Instead of, oh heck, I think you

get my point, whether you want it or not. You have no idea what’s caused his horrible JA, so to make such a leap is just grasping. I am truly sorry for his pain, truly. But it gets no one anywhere to blame treatments with no basis other than it’s convenient. I like my science a little more tangible than that. I hope you do find a real treatment for his JA, regardless of the cause. From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of hostler cheriSent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 11:09 PMEOHarm Subject: RE: Re: "mercury did not cause my son's autism" I think what's really going on here is that you've used secretin on your

child and are feeling defensive that someone is now challenging it and questioning it's safety. Sure, I've done other treatments on my child. But it would be wierd if anyone considered ABA an invasive therapy capable of crippling someone. He used prozac at one point too but there are plenty of studies on that and nobody's physically crippled from it either. I don't think FastForWord ever caused physical injury. Do I have any real reason for making the leap I've made to secretin??? I think a child that suffers in severe pain daily and is now crippled is a pretty good reason to question his previous offlabel usage of a drug where the long term effects of it being used in that way remain a big fat unstudied question mark.Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...>

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In many of the cases by the time the MMR jab comes along ethylmercury has to diverse degree disabled the immune system.

Each virus comprising the MMR individually is an immunosuppressant independent of each other derived from generation after generation of attenuated viral strains in cultured media. One researcher told me that it seems to be the measles and mumps combination that causes the problems, each is strongly immunosuppressive. As is rubella.

That's three immunosuppressant challenges to an infant immune system in various stages of development all at the same time. Here in the U.S., MMR is usually accompanied by a fourth immunosuppressant, the chicken pox jab, in the other thigh. So the immune system takes a quadruple whammy.

That's the typical recipe for regressive or vaccine-induced autism.

From: Debi

EOHarm

Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 10:59 PM

Subject: Re: "mercury did not cause my son's autism"

I heard the Geiers give a talk before my state Senate. While Icertainly could have misunderstood them, it was my understanding thatthe MMR reaction is the result of the thimerosal weakening the immunesystem, and that they felt the remaining small percentage had issuesnot related to mercury, but I don't recall them still stating it wasMMR related, but I could be wrong. I know my child regressed from hepBat 9 mos while still scabbed from chicken pox. Debi

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Oy! I wasn't disagreeing with anyone! Just saying there are some kids who

did.

Re: " mercury did not cause my son's autism "

>I have to respectfully disagree with your statement about the kids

> who have MAJOR gains going GFCF not having mercury issues:

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Have you addressed the mercury issue through chelation therapy? Did you get a DDI hair elements test, apply the counting rules to dismiss mercury toxicity?

RE: Re: "mercury did not cause my son's autism"

I think what's really going on here is that you've used secretin on your child and are feeling defensive that someone is now challenging it and questioning it's safety. Sure, I've done other treatments on my child. But it would be wierd if anyone considered ABA an invasive therapy capable of crippling someone. He used prozac at one point too but there are plenty of studies on that and nobody's physically crippled from it either. I don't think FastForWord ever caused physical injury. Do I have any real reason for making the leap I've made to secretin??? I think a child that suffers in severe pain daily and is now crippled is a pretty good reason to question his previous offlabel usage of a drug where the long term effects of it being used in that way remain a big fat unstudied question mark.Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote:

Do you have an real reason for the leap you’ve made to secretin? Is that the ONLY treatment you ever did with your kid? Ever? I doubt it, so I guess neither of us can know that.

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Show us the evidence that prozac is safe.. you mention these studies... but they were all done by the manufacture.

Secretin has been used for a very long time in scoping studies, etc. You have to look to if something is biologically possible.

and it just doesn't add up that secretin use could cause RA.

Don't forget, RA IS AN AUTOIMMUNE disorder.

RE: Re: "mercury did not cause my son's autism"

Do you realize you are using the same argument the pro-vaccine people use regarding mercury? You told me I was just grasping. Then said any number of other things could have caused my kid's illness. And that you liked your science. So show me the research that secretin could not cause longterm damage and then I'll stop questioning it could.

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Cheri,

It sounds like you are leaving this group, or wanted to. Good luck

with your son.

My theory as I also have a teenager with autism, is that symptoms

change as they age. I think it is related to the toxic/viral overload

and the body's exhausted inability to eliminate and detoxify. I'm sure

hormones play a part too.

There are many lists addressing these issues. Hope you find the

treatments that help.

You should take a look at this link:

> Problems mercury can cause

> http://www.noamalgam.com/#diseases

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Trandermal application of anything typically remains effective only in single digits. There's plenty of science to support this idea. That's provided the transdermal substance remains intact attempting to gain access to the body and not evaporate harmlessly failing to do so. Not saying that smearing pig hormones all over your body methodically for several months is beneficial or harmful, but just trying to point out that it doesn't seem likely that you are on the right track here.

On the flip side, whenever you introduce new chemistry into the human body you are inducing changes to take place.

RE: Re: "mercury did not cause my son's autism"

Do you realize you are using the same argument the pro-vaccine people use regarding mercury? You told me I was just grasping. Then said any number of other things could have caused my kid's illness. And that you liked your science. So show me the research that secretin could not cause longterm damage and then I'll stop questioning it could. Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote:

Sorry, no. I don’t need to feel defensive about secretin because I did my research before I used it. But, are you kidding me? prozac can’t be the cause but secretin could? What about vaccines? It could be a billion things. Is there a REAL reason you think it might be secretin INSTEAD of prozac? Instead of a vaccine, or one of their many dangerous ingredients? Instead of a virus? Instead of, oh heck, I think you get my point, whether you want it or not. You have no idea what’s caused his horrible JA, so to make such a leap is just grasping. I am truly sorry for his pain, truly. But it gets no one anywhere to blame treatments with no basis other than it’s convenient. I like my science a little more tangible than that. I hope you do find a real treatment for his JA, regardless of the cause.

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of hostler cheriSent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 11:09 PMEOHarm Subject: RE: Re: "mercury did not cause my son's autism"

I think what's really going on here is that you've used secretin on your child and are feeling defensive that someone is now challenging it and questioning it's safety. Sure, I've done other treatments on my child. But it would be wierd if anyone considered ABA an invasive therapy capable of crippling someone. He used prozac at one point too but there are plenty of studies on that and nobody's physically crippled from it either. I don't think FastForWord ever caused physical injury. Do I have any real reason for making the leap I've made to secretin??? I think a child that suffers in severe pain daily and is now crippled is a pretty good reason to question his previous offlabel usage of a drug where the long term effects of it being used in that way remain a big fat unstudied question mark.Holly Bortfeld <maximom@...> wrote:

Do you have an real reason for the leap you’ve made to secretin? Is that the ONLY treatment you ever did with your kid? Ever? I doubt it, so I guess neither of us can know that.

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What about seizure activity? Was this ever ruled in or ruled out? Many autistic children do have an underlying seizure problem which if left alone IMO can lead to all sorts of degenerative things as parts of the brain get killed off with each seizure.

Re: Re: "mercury did not cause my son's autism"

Kerbob <robertbloch@...> wrote:

So is your child arthritic or autistic? or both?Both. And thank you for the link at the bottom. I will check it out. First he was autistic and now at 14 he has crippling rheumatologic problems. He was originally diagnosed with arthritis but specialists are questioning that and saying it is not arthritis because it's too fast moving. Though he'd complained of pain before, he rapidly progressed in a six month period from inflammed to crippled. The post that generated this thread was a response I posted to another thread, I said:

For weeks I've belonged to this email group and really believed my son's autism was caused by mercury. (I'm about to get a lot of nasty emails about this but I have to say it because I've been flying the mercury flag). I recently had him tested and on Wednesday found out his mercury levels are within a normal range (normal meaning in keeping with what the general population would have). From this I've concluded mercury did not cause my son's autism. He did have high levels of uranium but he didn't get that from a shot he got it from a shallow mountain well. As far as mercury I'm not saying it doesn't cause autism, I'm just saying it didn't cause my son's. I wanted to believe it did because it gave me hope that he could be chelated and everything would turn out ok. Maybe my son has "true autism" and other children actually have mercury toxicity and suffer from symptoms that mirror autism. If that is true then autism isn't on the rise, mercury poisoning is. I'm conflicted about the whole subject. I wonder if the rise in autism isn't related to the rise in pollution. Human beings weren't meant to breath in and ingest so much poison. Therefore we need to start taking the environment's health seriously before we destroy ourselves along with the planet.I guess what I'm really trying to say is that if we want to get closer to the truth of what caused our children's autism we should first get them tested for heavy metals. If they don't have mercury poisoning then we should move on to search for the answer elsewhere. If they do then chelate. Since I know my son's not mercury toxic I'm moving on. On thursday I requested to unsubscribe to this group but it hasn't kicked in yet. For the record I still think it's absolutely stupid to give mercury to a baby. And it's stupid to give them vaccines for what used to be normal childhood illnesses (ie chicken pocks, mumps) because now that people aren't getting exposed to these diseases in childhood when they get them in adulthood they cause way more problems than they would have in childhood (my coworkers college aged brother in law - who happened to be autistic - died of chicken pox this year). I think you're all onto something though and should continue fighting the good fight because so many of you do have evidence of harm - you've tested your kids and their off the charts with mercury. Good luck to all of you. I wish good things for youKerbob <robertbloch@...> wrote:

You should take a look at this link: Problems mercury can cause

http://www.noamalgam.com/#diseases

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We did the hair elements test through a DAN! practitionerKerbob <robertbloch@...> wrote: Have you addressed the mercury issue through chelation therapy? Did you get a DDI hair elements test, apply the counting rules to dismiss mercury toxicity?

goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

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The effects of mercury are cumulative. Mercury poisoning is difficult to determine because it hides very quickly after exposure. Severe damage to the brain can come from a single exposure, repeated, or chronic exposure. It's mainly up to you the parent to figure out what's up, and if you need to do something about it.

My advice is what you need to do is get your hands on a Doctor's Data Inc. Hair Elements test. Not the toxic elements test. That one is for OSHA type of occupational exposures. While the DDI hair test does give toxic element levels what you look for is something called "deranged mineral transport".

You can read this through. It explains what to do. It includes "counting rules" for when you get the results in:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

If you like you can join up and post the results, and ask lots of questions to the group called autism treatment.

Re: Re: "mercury did not cause my son's autism"

We did the hair elements test through a DAN! practitionerKerbob <robertbloch@...> wrote:

Have you addressed the mercury issue through chelation therapy? Did you get a DDI hair elements test, apply the counting rules to dismiss mercury toxicity?

goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

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> I recently had him tested and on Wednesday found out his mercury levels are within a normal range (normal >meaning in keeping with what the general population would have). From this I've concluded mercury did not cause >my son's autism.

Please don't tell me you had a blood test done to determine mercury body burden.

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cells only.Reply-EOHarm To: <EOHarm >Subject: Re: Re: "mercury did not cause my son's autism"Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 01:28:25 -0400

> I recently had him tested and on Wednesday found out his mercury levels are within a normal range (normal >meaning in keeping with what the general population would have). From this I've concluded mercury did not cause >my son's autism.

Please don't tell me you had a blood test done to determine mercury body burden.