Re: Imus on Autism

[Guest guest]

There appears to be a faction in the AAP still pushing this as well as a faction who may be coming to terms.

Stoller's letter only helps.

The fact that Stoller's letter even saw the light of day says that individuals/groups in AAP are highly concerned about this issue.

The response to Stoller's letter will be the blowback from the deniers.

Let's see how that plays out and what evidence, if any, they posit.

Re: Imus on Autism

Speaking of AAP, in Nashville we met this very nice gentleman whotalked to us for a long time about his practice and the thimerosalbill. Said he is a member of the TN Chapter of the AAP, sent to lobbyagainst the bill. Turns out, the only info we can find on him isn'this practice in the town he said, but only as a vanderbilt researcher. Debi... That's why we're starting the see the thaw in the AAP with thepublication of Dr. Stoller's letter in the Pediatrics Journal. Theposition the AAP has taken with respect to the flu vaccine is toostupid for words. And they know it. >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I just want to add something to your comments. I am not trying to

pick a fight or offend anyone.

There are some of us out here that have worked really hard with our

kids. From funding home ABA programs to flying all over the country

to see this doctor or that doctor. Expenisve supplements, diets,

chelation you name it. Hours and hours of therapies such as Speech

and OT which we all know costs a fortune and is time consuming

running to this appointment or that. I bring all of this up to

point out some of us have done exactly the same things you have done

and you're seeing the pay off by saying your kid is almost " normal " .

My kid is far from normal. Why? Luck? Cruel twist of fate? Who knows?

Your kid is the " lottery " winner mines not going to be.

I am grateful for those children who have made the gains they have

through lots of hard work, but I'm also disappointed and a little

jealous that my kid hasn't.

When I hear people on this list talk about their high-functioning

kids. I'm glad when they point out that they are fortunate that

their kid is doing great. I stop and think that at least they

realize they are lucky, they are fortunate.

My kid is ten, is still non verbal and seems to always have some new

health problem (or existing one) to contend with. People don't

understand how those early insults have affected him. Sometimes I

think we'll never figure it all out. So, even though we've put in

the time, spent the money and did all the stuff people with high

functioning children have done, we still have a long, long way to

go.

This issue has really become a pet peeve of mine. I've met people

outside of the bio-medical world who have done next to nothing for

their autistic kid, but sent them to public school and their kid is

doing a hell of a lot better then mine. Sheer luck I guess. Then

they have the balls to tell me how simple it is and I just need to

do this or that...

I for one am extremely grateful for the Autism Speaks PSA that aired

yesterday on Imus. Those families are working their asses off and

their kids still look and act pretty darn autistic. I don't say that

as a cruel judgement, but I certainly can relate. Misery loves

company is how the saying goes. God Bless the woman with the three

boys. I couldn't imagine living her life.

I guess all I really want to say is we are all working really hard

to help our kids and some of us are not seeing a " normal " kid

emerging. So, for those who are " count your lucky stars " and for

those you aren't keep trudging along. Small gains can be so

rewarding sometimes.

Sorry if this sound like sour grapes. Life has been a little rough

lately for my boy and I guess I'm venting,

>

>

> That is the great danger to public perception when the press only

highlights

> those who are HFA/AS individuals; the reality of life with Autism

becomes

> greatly misunderstood. It has been five long years since Kolin's

original

> diagnosis. With a ton of work, he is now " mostly " normal. There

are times,

> I need to take a step back from our day to day struggles and look

at where

> we started. When I do, I appreciate him and how hard he works

everyday to

> do what everyone expects of him.

>

>

>

> It is not that I have forgotten what life was like with a child

with Severe

> Autism. The tantrums, the stares, the harsh words, the shrieking,

the locks

> on the doors, the sleep deprivation, the food falling off the wall

after

> being flung, or any of life with a child with Autism. It is very

painful to

> remember the words of the professionals who proclaimed he would

never live a

> life unsupervised. That Kolin would need care for the entirety of

his life.

> Then I go through all the emotions of grief cycle again, not

because I did

> not grieve, but it is tied to the reality that Kolin did regress

into

> Autism.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

I hear you! Our gains are small and subtle, but I always wonder how he

would have done if we had been fortunate enough to begin with him at two

years of age instead of 20.

(Although we did years and years and years of other therapies in the

meantime!)

Barb

Re: Imus on Autism

> Hi ,

>

> I just want to add something to your comments. I am not trying to

> pick a fight or offend anyone.

>

> There are some of us out here that have worked really hard with our

> kids. From funding home ABA programs to flying all over the country

> to see this doctor or that doctor. Expenisve supplements, diets,

> chelation you name it. Hours and hours of therapies such as Speech

> and OT which we all know costs a fortune and is time consuming

> running to this appointment or that. I bring all of this up to

> point out some of us have done exactly the same things you have done

> and you're seeing the pay off by saying your kid is almost " normal " .

> My kid is far from normal. Why? Luck? Cruel twist of fate? Who knows?

>

> Your kid is the " lottery " winner mines not going to be.

>

> I am grateful for those children who have made the gains they have

> through lots of hard work, but I'm also disappointed and a little

> jealous that my kid hasn't.

>

> When I hear people on this list talk about their high-functioning

> kids. I'm glad when they point out that they are fortunate that

> their kid is doing great. I stop and think that at least they

> realize they are lucky, they are fortunate.

>

> My kid is ten, is still non verbal and seems to always have some new

> health problem (or existing one) to contend with. People don't

> understand how those early insults have affected him. Sometimes I

> think we'll never figure it all out. So, even though we've put in

> the time, spent the money and did all the stuff people with high

> functioning children have done, we still have a long, long way to

> go.

>

> This issue has really become a pet peeve of mine. I've met people

> outside of the bio-medical world who have done next to nothing for

> their autistic kid, but sent them to public school and their kid is

> doing a hell of a lot better then mine. Sheer luck I guess. Then

> they have the balls to tell me how simple it is and I just need to

> do this or that...

>

> I for one am extremely grateful for the Autism Speaks PSA that aired

> yesterday on Imus. Those families are working their asses off and

> their kids still look and act pretty darn autistic. I don't say that

> as a cruel judgement, but I certainly can relate. Misery loves

> company is how the saying goes. God Bless the woman with the three

> boys. I couldn't imagine living her life.

>

> I guess all I really want to say is we are all working really hard

> to help our kids and some of us are not seeing a " normal " kid

> emerging. So, for those who are " count your lucky stars " and for

> those you aren't keep trudging along. Small gains can be so

> rewarding sometimes.

>

> Sorry if this sound like sour grapes. Life has been a little rough

> lately for my boy and I guess I'm venting,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>

>>

>> That is the great danger to public perception when the press only

> highlights

>> those who are HFA/AS individuals; the reality of life with Autism

> becomes

>> greatly misunderstood. It has been five long years since Kolin's

> original

>> diagnosis. With a ton of work, he is now " mostly " normal. There

> are times,

>> I need to take a step back from our day to day struggles and look

> at where

>> we started. When I do, I appreciate him and how hard he works

> everyday to

>> do what everyone expects of him.

>>

>>

>>

>> It is not that I have forgotten what life was like with a child

> with Severe

>> Autism. The tantrums, the stares, the harsh words, the shrieking,

> the locks

>> on the doors, the sleep deprivation, the food falling off the wall

> after

>> being flung, or any of life with a child with Autism. It is very

> painful to

>> remember the words of the professionals who proclaimed he would

> never live a

>> life unsupervised. That Kolin would need care for the entirety of

> his life.

>> Then I go through all the emotions of grief cycle again, not

> because I did

>> not grieve, but it is tied to the reality that Kolin did regress

> into

>> Autism.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i started biomed with my daughter at 5-6 months old after her 8

seizures from her 4 month old shots. Five years later, i'm still

working on her- so don't kick yourself. All it takes is that one

insult to destroy a child. Holly

> >>

> >>

> >> That is the great danger to public perception when the press

only

> > highlights

> >> those who are HFA/AS individuals; the reality of life with

Autism

> > becomes

> >> greatly misunderstood. It has been five long years since

Kolin's

> > original

> >> diagnosis. With a ton of work, he is now " mostly " normal.

There

> > are times,

> >> I need to take a step back from our day to day struggles and

look

> > at where

> >> we started. When I do, I appreciate him and how hard he works

> > everyday to

> >> do what everyone expects of him.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> It is not that I have forgotten what life was like with a child

> > with Severe

> >> Autism. The tantrums, the stares, the harsh words, the

shrieking,

> > the locks

> >> on the doors, the sleep deprivation, the food falling off the

wall

> > after

> >> being flung, or any of life with a child with Autism. It is

very

> > painful to

> >> remember the words of the professionals who proclaimed he would

> > never live a

> >> life unsupervised. That Kolin would need care for the entirety

of

> > his life.

> >> Then I go through all the emotions of grief cycle again, not

> > because I did

> >> not grieve, but it is tied to the reality that Kolin did regress

> > into

> >> Autism.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I agree with that. Every Child By Two. Hillarycare. It's a wonder when you combine those with the direct actions to create safe harbor for the vaccine marketplace by the "preservative" republicans in Congress that at least one political cartoonist hasn't drawn a vaccine-injury sandwich to illustrate how horrible things are for the vaccine-injury victims.

Re: Imus on Autism> > The best PSA I have ever seen. Amazing!!> > > > >

[Guest guest]

You couldn't make up how absolutely reckless Every Child by Two is, combined with the toxicological profile of the vaccine protocol, the mandates and other Stalinist tactics.

Were it not for that enforced recklessness, we would not be looking at the generation damage which occurred.

Re: Imus on Autism> > The best PSA I have ever seen. Amazing!!> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I think autism help is a bipartisan problem. In my state it is the

democrat party who is overwhelmingly blocking autism legislation.

While the Senate has been republican-held during the " autism

explosion " I do not recall the Clinton admin being pro-autism help.

Money talks to both parties. Wasn't it Hillary's associate that said

the pharmaceutical lobby controls both parties?

I say seek out those politicians who have a direct connection, a

desire and reason for helping, and those are who we need to support,

regardless of party affiliation.

Debi

>

> I agree with that. Every Child By Two. Hillarycare. It's a wonder

when you combine those with the direct actions to create safe harbor

for the vaccine marketplace by the " preservative " republicans in

Congress that at least one political cartoonist hasn't drawn a

vaccine-injury sandwich to illustrate how horrible things are for the

vaccine-injury victims.

>

[Guest guest]

I think you take help where help is given.

History, however, is probably a reasonable indicator of how one might perform in the future.

Notwithstanding the above, those who now feign concern/assistance to avoid retribution after their contribution to the carnage and frustration of purpose is akin to Stalin paying the funeral costs for the Kulaks.

Re: Imus on Autism

I think autism help is a bipartisan problem. In my state it is thedemocrat party who is overwhelmingly blocking autism legislation.While the Senate has been republican-held during the "autismexplosion" I do not recall the Clinton admin being pro-autism help.Money talks to both parties. Wasn't it Hillary's associate that saidthe pharmaceutical lobby controls both parties? I say seek out those politicians who have a direct connection, adesire and reason for helping, and those are who we need to support,regardless of party affiliation.Debi>> I agree with that. Every Child By Two. Hillarycare. It's a wonderwhen you combine those with the direct actions to create safe harborfor the vaccine marketplace by the "preservative" republicans inCongress that at least one political cartoonist hasn't drawn avaccine-injury sandwich to illustrate how horrible things are for thevaccine-injury victims.>

[Guest guest]

Hi Holly, I'm from PA. Tell me what Bob Casey is going to do for us?

From everything I've read about him, he isn't his father.

>

>

> Bobbie is right; this is the kind of PSA we need airing

> continuously. To feel the impact of this is unlike any other

segment I have

> seen; not that it has not been done before, nut so many examples in

such a

> short time....so much was covered .Behaviors, Finances, Dreams

lost, Worries

> od the future...and all from the

> parents and children living it, not from reporters

>

> Is there a way we can get a copy of this, Bobbie, to present to

> legislators, educators, therapists, etc? For PAC, SPED meetings,

and at

> committee hearings? MA, and other states, ae absolutely ready for

> this......Thanks, Suzanne Messina REAACH, MFVC, AO

>

>

> From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On

Behalf Of

> bobbie manning

> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:22 AM

> EOHarm

> Subject: Re: Imus on Autism

>

> The best PSA I have ever seen. Amazing!!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

First and foremost, He isn't santorum.

Secondly, I don't know yet. We need to call his office and get a meeting.

Where are you in PA?

Re: Imus on Autism

>

> The best PSA I have ever seen. Amazing!!

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you really want a specific term to ponder why America has become vaccine-zany, secularization is the best one I can come up with. Vaccination is a theory. You aren't injecting immunity into six pound babies.

And they're doing it with blindfolds on figuring the secular life-force is with them or if the kid gets screwed up mommy and daddy won't be able to figure it out. If you actually do hook up with an MD not all hot and bothered at your reservations and do all of the relevant testing to progress toward determining the need for vaccination insurance will find you and reject your scientific approach towards vaccination.

It's a lot cheaper to by-pass the entire process.

Re: Imus on Autism

I think autism help is a bipartisan problem. In my state it is thedemocrat party who is overwhelmingly blocking autism legislation.While the Senate has been republican-held during the "autismexplosion" I do not recall the Clinton admin being pro-autism help.Money talks to both parties. Wasn't it Hillary's associate that saidthe pharmaceutical lobby controls both parties? I say seek out those politicians who have a direct connection, adesire and reason for helping, and those are who we need to support,regardless of party affiliation.Debi>> I agree with that. Every Child By Two. Hillarycare. It's a wonderwhen you combine those with the direct actions to create safe harborfor the vaccine marketplace by the "preservative" republicans inCongress that at least one political cartoonist hasn't drawn avaccine-injury sandwich to illustrate how horrible things are for thevaccine-injury victims.>

[Guest guest]

Hey, this may get juicy. I'm from Scranton, the Casey's hometown.

> >

> > Yea, and we'll run that pussy out of office for it.

> >

> >

> >

> > Bob Casey for US Senate http://www.bobcaseyforpa.com

> > <http://www.bobcaseyforpa.com/>

[Guest guest]

for Debi

And the vaccuner manufacturers who tried im 2000n to block publications about the adverse reactions to mercury

cannot be sued ifv their product causdes severe neurologicv problems.

ZAnd who makes the thimersol the vaccin?e makers-e.g. Merck-inserft? Eli Lully. And who is on its

Board of Directors?---formert President Bush.-- Original Message -----

From: Debi

EOHarm

Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:26 PM

Subject: Re: Imus on Autism

I think autism help is a bipartisan problem. In my state it is thedemocrat party who is overwhelmingly blocking autism legislation.While the Senate has been republican-held during the "autismexplosion" I do not recall the Clinton admin being pro-autism help.Money talks to both parties. Wasn't it Hillary's associate that saidthe pharmaceutical lobby controls both parties? I say seek out those politicians who have a direct connection, adesire and reason for helping, and those are who we need to support,regardless of party affiliation.Debi>> I agree with that. Every Child By Two. Hillarycare. It's a wonderwhen you combine those with the direct actions to create safe harborfor the vaccine marketplace by the "preservative" republicans inCongress that at least one political cartoonist hasn't drawn avaccine-injury sandwich to illustrate how horrible things are for thevaccine-injury victims.>

[Guest guest]

Cool. Does he also have a campaign office there or just in philly?

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Hey, this may get juicy. I'm from Scranton, the Casey's hometown.

> >

> > Yea, and we'll run that pussy out of office for it.

> >

> >

> >

> > Bob Casey for US Senate http://www.bobcaseyforpa.com

> > <http://www.bobcaseyforpa.com/>

[Guest guest]

Krakow (earlier post) mentioned a typo in the article:

" ... " ethylmercurithiosalicate " vs " ethylmercurithiosalicylate " which

is the chemical name for thimerosalor merthiolate... " and the fact

that Dr. Stoller did not have time to correct prior to submission.

sample blowback -- " Dr Stoller can't spell - terrifying - scientific

illiteracy - blah blah blah... "

any blowback == further obfuscation (ironically). Certainly can't

attack the logic, passion, science, references, credibility,

experience, or his (lack of) competing interests.

>

> There appears to be a faction in the AAP still pushing this as well

as a faction who may be coming to terms.

> Stoller's letter only helps.

> The fact that Stoller's letter even saw the light of day says that

individuals/groups in AAP are highly concerned about this issue.

> The response to Stoller's letter will be the blowback from the deniers.

> Let's see how that plays out and what evidence, if any, they posit.

> Re: Imus on Autism

>

>

> Speaking of AAP, in Nashville we met this very nice gentleman who

> talked to us for a long time about his practice and the thimerosal

> bill. Said he is a member of the TN Chapter of the AAP, sent to lobby

> against the bill. Turns out, the only info we can find on him isn't

> his practice in the town he said, but only as a vanderbilt

researcher.

>

> Debi

>

> ... That's why we're starting the see the thaw in the AAP with the

> publication of Dr. Stoller's letter in the Pediatrics Journal. The

> position the AAP has taken with respect to the flu vaccine is too

> stupid for words. And they know it.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sure there is Holly, and I certainly will find out!

> > >

> > > Yea, and we'll run that pussy out of office for it.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Bob Casey for US Senate http://www.bobcaseyforpa.com

> > > <http://www.bobcaseyforpa.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

tmiktliu:

What the hell are you talking about?

I thought Dr. Stoller's article was just great. I was commenting on

the discussion regarding the fact that thimerosal was not mentioned in

the article. That's it. Thought it would be helpful to give the

correct chemical name. No judgment about the article. So, what's your

point. Your message is obscure.

Krakow

On May 11, 2006, at 6:25 PM, tmiktliu wrote:

> Krakow (earlier post) mentioned a typo in the article:

> " ... " ethylmercurithiosalicate " vs " ethylmercurithiosalicylate " which

> is the chemical name for thimerosalor merthiolate... " and the fact

> that Dr. Stoller did not have time to correct prior to submission.

>

> sample blowback -- " Dr Stoller can't spell - terrifying - scientific

> illiteracy - blah blah blah... "

>

> any blowback == further obfuscation (ironically).  Certainly can't

> attack the logic, passion, science, references, credibility,

> experience, or his (lack of) competing interests.

>

>

>

> >

> > There appears to be a faction in the AAP still pushing this as well

> as a faction who may be coming to terms.

> > Stoller's letter only helps. 

> > The fact that Stoller's letter even saw the light of day says that

> individuals/groups in AAP are highly concerned about this issue.

> > The response to Stoller's letter will be the blowback from the

> deniers.

> > Let's see how that plays out and what evidence, if any, they posit. 

> >   Re: Imus on Autism

> >

> >

> >   Speaking of AAP, in Nashville we met this very nice gentleman who

> >   talked to us for a long time about his practice and the thimerosal

> >   bill. Said he is a member of the TN Chapter of the AAP, sent to

> lobby

> >   against the bill. Turns out, the only info we can find on him

> isn't

> >   his practice in the town he said, but only as a vanderbilt

> researcher.

> >

> >   Debi

> >

> >   ... That's why we're starting the see the thaw in the AAP with the

> >   publication of Dr. Stoller's letter in the Pediatrics Journal. 

> The

> >   position the AAP has taken with respect to the flu vaccine is too

> >   stupid for words.  And they know it. 

> >   >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >  

[Guest guest]

I feel your pain. I know how hard it is try, how many years (literally when adding up the hours) are spent looking for something that will change the quality of your child's life. I feel it is a constant test of my "How good of a person are you?" When you hear of another child who "Just started talking", after they tell you the diet's too much trouble and we just had to find the right drug. Huh!

While I think Liam is in a better place than he was. This is not the "Halmark Special Presentation" that I planned on!

Re: Imus on Autism> Hi ,>> I just want to add something to your comments. I am not trying to> pick a fight or offend anyone.>> There are some of us out here that have worked really hard with our> kids. From funding home ABA programs to flying all over the country> to see this doctor or that doctor. Expenisve supplements, diets,> chelation you name it. Hours and hours of therapies such as Speech> and OT which we all know costs a fortune and is time consuming> running to this appointment or that. I bring all of this up to> point out some of us have done exactly the same things you have done> and you're seeing the pay off by saying your kid is almost "normal".> My kid is far from normal. Why? Luck? Cruel twist of fate? Who knows?>> Your kid is the "lottery" winner mines not going to be.>> I am grateful for those children who have made the gains they have> through lots of hard work, but I'm also disappointed and a little> jealous that my kid hasn't.>> When I hear people on this list talk about their high-functioning> kids. I'm glad when they point out that they are fortunate that> their kid is doing great. I stop and think that at least they> realize they are lucky, they are fortunate.>> My kid is ten, is still non verbal and seems to always have some new> health problem (or existing one) to contend with. People don't> understand how those early insults have affected him. Sometimes I> think we'll never figure it all out. So, even though we've put in> the time, spent the money and did all the stuff people with high> functioning children have done, we still have a long, long way to> go.>> This issue has really become a pet peeve of mine. I've met people> outside of the bio-medical world who have done next to nothing for> their autistic kid, but sent them to public school and their kid is> doing a hell of a lot better then mine. Sheer luck I guess. Then> they have the balls to tell me how simple it is and I just need to> do this or that...>> I for one am extremely grateful for the Autism Speaks PSA that aired> yesterday on Imus. Those families are working their asses off and> their kids still look and act pretty darn autistic. I don't say that> as a cruel judgement, but I certainly can relate. Misery loves> company is how the saying goes. God Bless the woman with the three> boys. I couldn't imagine living her life.>> I guess all I really want to say is we are all working really hard> to help our kids and some of us are not seeing a "normal" kid> emerging. So, for those who are " count your lucky stars" and for> those you aren't keep trudging along. Small gains can be so> rewarding sometimes.>> Sorry if this sound like sour grapes. Life has been a little rough> lately for my boy and I guess I'm venting,>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That is the great danger to public perception when the press only> highlights>> those who are HFA/AS individuals; the reality of life with Autism> becomes>> greatly misunderstood. It has been five long years since Kolin's> original>> diagnosis. With a ton of work, he is now "mostly" normal. There> are times,>> I need to take a step back from our day to day struggles and look> at where>> we started. When I do, I appreciate him and how hard he works> everyday to>> do what everyone expects of him.>>>>>>>> It is not that I have forgotten what life was like with a child> with Severe>> Autism. The tantrums, the stares, the harsh words, the shrieking,> the locks>> on the doors, the sleep deprivation, the food falling off the wall> after>> being flung, or any of life with a child with Autism. It is very> painful to>> remember the words of the professionals who proclaimed he would> never live a>> life unsupervised. That Kolin would need care for the entirety of> his life.>> Then I go through all the emotions of grief cycle again, not> because I did>> not grieve, but it is tied to the reality that Kolin did regress> into>> Autism.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

The BIG Cheese Benito and I endorsed Santorum's opponent defacto shortly after the 2004 Presidential election. Every ounce of our mental fortitude is willed against the Santorum campaign. Strange, it might seem for two Republicans.

Early in 2005 Santorum and Frist dropped S.3 a nasty, evil bill. To defeat it we families would have had to stand against an increase in the military death benefit. The President, who got the bigger half in the election and was determined to escalate the slight difference into some sort of a mandate of the people.

During his campaign Bush had filed an autism survey over a month late which was result of the survey takers posting the fact that he was over a month late next to the Kerry survey that had been sent in on time. In the survey Bush stated that he thought thimerosal should be taken out, and now that he was President again, he felt that the American people were demanding mercury poisoning liability protection for vaccine manufacturers, something he never discussed in his campaign, was a top administrative priority and S.3 would be a great way to paint us families into a political corner.

Don Imus came on the scene after someone beseeched him to blow the whistle on 2005 S.3 and three others 2005 S.366, 2005 HR 534, and HR 650. Two bills in the Senate and two in the House. Any of which would make it very hard for mercury-poisoned kids' parents to seek compensation in court. Over the past five years, Frist and Santorum had tried to push thimerosal protection through several times directly, and the bills went nowhere. They slipped thimerosal protection onto the tail-end of the Homeland Security Act, but Senators Lieberman, Stabenow, McCain, Snowe, Chaffee, and and many strong voices in the House forced a repeal.

This time (2004 post-election) the offensive thimerosal wording was busted up and put into four different bills for the 2005 Congress. The method was sort of like ny Cash getting it "one piece at a time".

The I-Man came through. Santorum and Frist had to retreat or regroup. For some reason Santorum fools Imus. So as I understand it Santorum re-invented a previous autism bill from 2000 and now calls it his autism bill. Santorum being up front "for" autism allows Frist to walk in the shadows. You may have read where Frist recently took a stroll over the House side of Congress late at night around last Fristmas to drop 40+ pages of un-negotiated vaccine liability protection trash onto a critical defense package that just had to pass.

By the time the bill got back to the Senate everyone knew what Frist had done. Rep. Obey made sure of that.

Still, none of the Senators voted against the bill despite the fact they knew the vaccine maker protection was on it. Instead Senator Lieberman held a press conference to celebrate the fact that Democrats had successfully bullied the Artic oil drilling rider off the defense conference report, but the Fristmas present to the drug lobby was left alone even though it provides no compensation at all for vaccine injury victims.

Perhaps it is an over-estimate that 20% of all American people will ever get to see the Artic Wildlife Refuge in their lifetimes, but on the other hand it's no stab in the back to suggest that 80% of all Americans will be forced to get an experimental vaccine in a pandemic. If the vaccine doesn't kill you "by accident" it might do something like paralyze you "by accident". The Fristmas present adds wording to law that some legal experts say anyone vaccine-injured will get nothing. No compensation. No court trial. Nothin'.

When one examines how Santorum's charity rackets have worked through the years one will see something potentially called political corruption and graft, and when one examines his over-all demeanor his sense of entitlement is overwhelming...rivaling Delay.

Combating Autistics creates lots of drug company infrastructure and basically thumbs it's nose at families who've become gravely disillusioned by the task-style management system that only a non-caring government can produce. Eight drug centers to experiment on little ones with...well... drugs. There is some noise that suggests the bill might be the leading edge of fifty year's worth of tail-chasing genetic research conducted by high-salary NPOs. The right kind of people doing the right kind of research are usually the right kind of people to kick back the right kind of cash to fuel the right kind of politicians.

Through it all, Santorum sounds noble, but nobility is the last refuge of liars.

Re: Imus on Autism

Hey, this may get juicy. I'm from Scranton, the Casey's hometown. > >> > Yea, and we'll run that pussy out of office for it.> > > > > > > > Bob Casey for US Senate http://www.bobcaseyforpa.com> > <http://www.bobcaseyforpa.com/>

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Hopefully, they'll argue about the typos.

And the kids in Iowa still won't trust the CDC or take the vaccines.

Re: Imus on Autism> > > Speaking of AAP, in Nashville we met this very nice gentleman who> talked to us for a long time about his practice and the thimerosal> bill. Said he is a member of the TN Chapter of the AAP, sent to lobby> against the bill. Turns out, the only info we can find on him isn't> his practice in the town he said, but only as a vanderbiltresearcher. > > Debi> > ... That's why we're starting the see the thaw in the AAP with the> publication of Dr. Stoller's letter in the Pediatrics Journal. The> position the AAP has taken with respect to the flu vaccine is too> stupid for words. And they know it. > >> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Work Casey. Take Santorum down.

Re: Imus on Autism

Hey, this may get juicy. I'm from Scranton, the Casey's hometown. > >> > Yea, and we'll run that pussy out of office for it.> > > > > > > > Bob Casey for US Senate http://www.bobcaseyforpa.com> > <http://www.bobcaseyforpa.com/>

[Guest guest]

practicing sarcasm without a license

and apparently not very good at it

of course Dr Stoller's article is excellent - that was my (obscured)

point - since there is nothing flawed about the article, I pictured

detractors grasping at straws - anything - even something as

ridiculously insignificant as the simple typo - to take a shot at him.

Hence my take on what the " blowback " might look like.

hope that makes a bit more sense...

> > >

> > > There appears to be a faction in the AAP still pushing this as well

> > as a faction who may be coming to terms.

> > > Stoller's letter only helps.Â

> > > The fact that Stoller's letter even saw the light of day says that

> > individuals/groups in AAP are highly concerned about this issue.

> > > The response to Stoller's letter will be the blowback from the

> > deniers.

> > > Let's see how that plays out and what evidence, if any, they

posit.Â

> > >Â Â Re: Imus on Autism

> > >

> > >

> > >Â Â Speaking of AAP, in Nashville we met this very nice

gentleman who

> > >Â Â talked to us for a long time about his practice and the

thimerosal

> > >Â Â bill. Said he is a member of the TN Chapter of the AAP,

sent to

> > lobby

> > >Â Â against the bill. Turns out, the only info we can find on him

> > isn't

> > >Â Â his practice in the town he said, but only as a vanderbilt

> > researcher.

> > >

> > >Â Â Debi

> > >

> > >Â Â ... That's why we're starting the see the thaw in the AAP

with the

> > >Â Â publication of Dr. Stoller's letter in the Pediatrics

Journal.Â

> > The

> > >Â Â position the AAP has taken with respect to the flu vaccine

is too

> > >  stupid for words. And they know it.Â

> > >Â Â >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Â Â

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You want in on this?

Re: Imus on Autism

Hey, this may get juicy. I'm from Scranton, the Casey's hometown. > >> > Yea, and we'll run that pussy out of office for it.> > > > > > > > Bob Casey for US Senate http://www.bobcaseyforpa.com> > <http://www.bobcaseyforpa.com/>