Re: acid/alkaline balance of the body <carol>

[Guest guest]

Actually the sun room is a great idea for people that live in harsh weather

conditions and need sunlight, and even though the glass filters out some rays

some get through. Enjoy the good weather when you get a chance, but your liver

can store vit D year round, from the sun. Animals further north have extremely

high levels of vit D STORED in their livers, in fact if you eat their livers you

can get a toxicity. This is under a harsh environment. I think a comparative

analogy to taking the vit D pills and not going outside is comparable to the

tap water has flouride so you no longer drink water, but instead must drink

something the doctor prescribes. All those ludicrous arguments against the sun,

goes to show what people believe.

Dennis

[Guest guest]

Jim and Steve

Believe whatever you want to but the truth is the number one killer in the

United States is heart disease, which is a byproduct of the meat and dairy

industries. Vegans typically out-live all other people by decades, when they

get iron, zinc, Vit B6, Calcium, Riboflavin, Vit B12, protein, omega3 and 6, and

antioxidants (selenium, Vit E, Vit C and beta carotein) in their diet. Some

have been vegan since they were weaned and lived to be over 100, and stayed

healthy never taking supplements and never eating meat and dairy, and seldom

going to the doctor. Any marathon runner that does well is predominently

vegetarian. The world's strongest bench press athelete is a vegan. Whales,

elephants, gorillas, cows mooses are all predominantly vegetarian. I know of

elderly people that are vegan and healthy and take no medications and no

supplements as far as I know of. I met one woman and her Mom had taken high

blood pressure medicine for 3 decades but after switching to a

strict vegan diet and daily exercise she no longer neeeded the meds. Something

that just doesn't happen on a meat and dairy diet, but keep believing up is down

if that is what makes you happy.

Dennis

[Guest guest]

I'll have to think about the pain clinic link.

I hear on getting someone else to take enough

vitamin D. I finally go my Mom to increase her

dose to 4000 IU. She says she feels better

on this higher dose.

Four years ago, her Doc was rather sullen when

she said she was taking 2000 IU per day.

The last couple of years he hasn't behaved

this way and seems more agreeable on the point.

This is her impression.

So far I've only purchased 1000 and 2000 IU capsules

some from local sources and some mail order.

I gave the 2000 IU caps to my Mom.

>

> > There is a problem here as the Doc is quite

> > possibly prescribing vitamin D2 not D3.

> > Vitamin D2 is inferior to vitamin D3.

> > Do a Pubmed search on the question and you'll

> > see D3 is a far better choice.

> >

> > The link provide by the previous party goes

> > to a source of vitamin D3 5000 IU powder capsules.

> >

> > Technically the 200 and 400 IU recommendations

> > aren't RDA values but AI values as I dimly recall.

> > Which indicates more uncertainty, though most

> > miss this point.

> >

> > Read Hollis's most recent paper on vitmain D

> > needs and you'll see doses of 1000 or 2000 IU

> > are still quite low and reaching

> > an optimal dose for many depends on the context

> > i.e. age, sun exposure, GI absorption dysfunctions (celiac disease

> > damage, etc), and genetics.

> > It looks like some may need 6000 or 7000 IU

> > from sun and oral intake to be optimal.

> >

[Guest guest]

As I recall ( I am very sure)

the fat soluble vitamin that one gets

from eating polar bear liver to the point of

being toxic is vitamin A not vitamin D.

And according to one of Hollis's recent papers

it takes a " large " dose of sun or vitamin D

to really start storing the vitamin.

While a sun room is a wonderful idea, up North

whether it be Idaho, Washington, Montana, Canada, or

Alaska, the sun is so low on the horizen there

no meaningful amount of UV to be had for months

on end. Still there would be months that a

sun room would be helpful for both for

seasonal affective disorder and UV exposure.

>

> Actually the sun room is a great idea for people that live in harsh

weather conditions and need sunlight, and even though the glass

filters out some rays some get through. Enjoy the good weather when

you get a chance, but your liver can store vit D year round, from the

sun. Animals further north have extremely high levels of vit D STORED

in their livers, in fact if you eat their livers you can get a

toxicity. This is under a harsh environment. I think a comparative

analogy to taking the vit D pills and not going outside is comparable

to the tap water has flouride so you no longer drink water, but

instead must drink something the doctor prescribes. All those

ludicrous arguments against the sun, goes to show what people believe.

> Dennis

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is Miracle Mineral Solution (Chlorine Dioxide) as discovered and

developed by Jim Humble. Have your friend listen to the radio

interviews with him on them and read his books. She needs to do some

homework before venturing on to the cure. Jim Humble says that melanoma

is 100% cured by the MMS protocol and he convinced me. If I had

melanoma, I'd be on it every two hours at a level just below the Herx

reaction rate.

Jim Hall wrote:

> Hey Jim is MMS Miracle Mineral Solution or something else?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jim

>

> From: Longevity <mailto:Longevity%40>

> [mailto:Longevity

> <mailto:Longevity%40>] On Behalf

> Of Jim

> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 3:52 PM

> Longevity <mailto:Longevity%40>

> Subject: Re: acid/alkaline balance of the body <carol>

>

> Hi Apricot:

>

> Now that we have beaten Vitamin D to death, please, please tell your

> friend about MMS for her melanoma. Jim Humble says that with a

> comprehensive program, the melanoma will literally shrivel up and drop

> out in 15 days leaving a cavity that will heal in a week. That turns a

> life threatening problem almost a non-issue.

>

> Regards, Jim

>

> Apricot wrote:

>

> > Yes, very true. There is actually a web site where you can punch in

> > your latitude, the smog level, and some other information - and will

> > tell you statistically how much UVB you can get. I'm sorry I lost track

> > of that web site. Insufficient sunlight isn't the only reason for

> > vit D deficiency.

> >

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D>

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D>> excerpts:

> > Vitamin D deficiency can result from: inadequate intake coupled with

> > inadequate sunlight exposure, disorders that limit its absorption,

> > conditions that impair conversion of vitamin D into active metabolites

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolite

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolite>

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolite

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolite>>>, such as liver

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver>

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver>>> or kidney disorders, or, rarely, by

> > a number of hereditary disorders.

> >

> > Vitamin D requirements increase with age, while the ability of skin to

> > convert 7-dehydrocholesterol to pre-vitamin D3 decreases.[17]

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#_note-7

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#_note-7>

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#_note-7

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#_note-7>>> In addition the ability

> > of the kidneys <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney>

> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney>>> to convert

> > calcidiol to its active form also decreases with age, prompting the need

> > for increased vitamin D supplementation in elderly individuals.

> >

> > This tells us it's helpful if we are young, because as we get older, the

> > body becomes less efficient in converting UVB to vitamin D. I don't

> > think we even know all the reasons why the conversion does not always

> > work very well. My mother got out in the sun every day in the summer

> > time - but her vit D levels were still deficient. She also takes

> > medications too, which may be a factor.

> >

> > Some people feel that supplementation is safer - I have a red headed

> > friend with melanoma who feels this way. She feels she now has melanoma

> > because of younger days in the sun water skiing, and beach going.

> >

> > Unfortunately, the only way we could know whether we convert from sun ,

> > or whether we have enough vit D levels, is with a vit D test. Most

> > doctors will order the test if you ask for it. Otherwise, they only do

> > it after you break bones from osteoporosis.

> >

> > Jim wrote:

> >

> > > Obviously, the amount of Vit D that you get from sunlight is directly

> > > related to your location, the season, your skin color, and the amount

> > > of clothing that you wear among other things. For some under some

> > > conditions, sunlight will not possibly do it.

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It is Miracle Mineral Solution (Chlorine Dioxide) as discovered and

developed by Jim Humble. Have your friend listen to the radio

interviews with him on them and read his books. He needs to do some

homework before venturing on to the cure. Jim Humble says that melanoma

is 100% cured by the MMS protocol and he convinced me. If I had

melanoma, I'd be on it every two hours at a level just below the Herx

reaction rate. Jim says that the melanoma will fall out(!!!) in two

weeks leaving an open hole (not so nice sounding) which will often heal

over in a week.

Nanette Niece wrote:

> Hi Jim,

>

> What is this MMS of which you speak? My husband's friend has melanoma

> and I would love to pass on this info to him.

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Re: acid/alkaline balance of the body <carol>

>

> Hi Apricot:

>

> Now that we have beaten Vitamin D to death, please, please tell your

> friend about MMS for her melanoma. Jim Humble says that with a

> comprehensive program, the melanoma will literally shrivel up and drop

> out in 15 days leaving a cavity that will heal in a week. That turns a

> life threatening problem almost a non-issue.

>

> Regards, Jim

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, but knowing what we do today, glaze a section of the sunroom with

Plexiglas and you will get the full benefit of UVB if you sit in front

of it on a daily basis.

Guro Dennis Servaes wrote:

> Actually the sun room is a great idea for people that live in harsh

> weather conditions and need sunlight, and even though the glass

> filters out some rays some get through. Enjoy the good weather when

> you get a chance, but your liver can store vit D year round, from the

> sun. Animals further north have extremely high levels of vit D STORED

> in their livers, in fact if you eat their livers you can get a

> toxicity. This is under a harsh environment. I think a comparative

> analogy to taking the vit D pills and not going outside is comparable

> to the tap water has flouride so you no longer drink water, but

> instead must drink something the doctor prescribes. All those

> ludicrous arguments against the sun, goes to show what people believe.

> Dennis

>

>

[Guest guest]

Heart disease is not a result of eating meat. It is a result of eating

grain fed and drugged beef among other things. I eat grain fed buffalo

when I can get it. It tastes great and is no worse than a diet of 100%

garden fresh organic vegetables (which I also eat when they are

available). Do not forget that most store bought vegs are deficient in

most minerals, since they are grown in depleted soils and probably

contain more chemicals than you would care to know about. Any diet that

is not carefully selected will eventually make you sick. A vegan diet,

if you are not very, very good at it will make you sick even faster.

Finally, worry will make you sick faster than any of these things,

so, more importantly than diet, lighten up and let go...

Guro Dennis Servaes wrote:

> Jim and Steve

> Believe whatever you want to but the truth is the number one killer in

> the United States is heart disease, which is a byproduct of the meat

> and dairy industries. Vegans typically out-live all other people by

> decades, when they get iron, zinc, Vit B6, Calcium, Riboflavin, Vit

> B12, protein, omega3 and 6, and antioxidants (selenium, Vit E, Vit C

> and beta carotein) in their diet. Some have been vegan since they were

> weaned and lived to be over 100, and stayed healthy never taking

> supplements and never eating meat and dairy, and seldom going to the

> doctor. Any marathon runner that does well is predominently

> vegetarian. The world's strongest bench press athelete is a vegan.

> Whales, elephants, gorillas, cows mooses are all predominantly

> vegetarian. I know of elderly people that are vegan and healthy and

> take no medications and no supplements as far as I know of. I met one

> woman and her Mom had taken high blood pressure medicine for 3 decades

> but after switching to a

> strict vegan diet and daily exercise she no longer neeeded the meds.

> Something that just doesn't happen on a meat and dairy diet, but keep

> believing up is down if that is what makes you happy.

> Dennis

>

>

[Guest guest]

Guro Dennis Servaes wrote:

>

>

> Jim and Steve

> Believe whatever you want to but the truth is the number one killer in

> the United States is heart disease,

Which is not a point anyone was trying to make - this is known as a

straw man.

> which is a byproduct of the meat and

> dairy industries.

Unsubstantiated.

> Vegans typically out-live all other people by decades,

Unsubstantiated. A decade is 10 years so " decades " in the plural means

you are stating that vegans live 20 or more years longer than

non-vegans. That is definitively incorrect. I couldn't find a study

that worked with equivalent caloric consumption in both vegan and

non-vegan groups while holding such other causes of death such as

smoking constant.

> when they get iron, zinc, Vit B6, Calcium, Riboflavin, Vit B12, protein,

> omega3 and 6, and antioxidants (selenium, Vit E, Vit C and beta

> carotein) in their diet. Some have been vegan since they were weaned and

> lived to be over 100,

Rare. Some smokers also live to be over 100 and that is also rare.

Ostensibly, if one is eating a varied vegetarian diet, based on the

claims by vegetarians about said health benefits, one would not expect

to have to take an extensive list of supplements, or any supplements at all.

and stayed healthy never taking supplements and

> never eating meat and dairy, and seldom going to the doctor. Any

> marathon runner that does well is predominently vegetarian.

Unsubstantiated. Athletes in general are meat eaters and out perform

vegans.

>

The world's

> strongest bench press athelete is a vegan.

Assuming you at least got this one fact right (which I doubt), bench

pressers are not known for their longevity.

>

Whales, elephants, gorillas,

> cows mooses are all predominantly vegetarian.

That works if you are a whale, elephant, cow, or moose. Are you? On

the other hand, if you are a bear, pig, rodent, or primate, you are an

omnivore.

>

> I know of elderly people

> that are vegan and healthy and take no medications and no supplements as

> far as I know of. I met one woman and her Mom had taken high blood

> pressure medicine for 3 decades but after switching to a

> strict vegan diet and daily exercise she no longer neeeded the meds.

> Something that just doesn't happen on a meat and dairy diet, but keep

> believing up is down if that is what makes you happy.

I prefer science, empirical science, not hearsay and testimonials.

> Dennis

Vegetarianism comes off to me like religious fundamentalism, not a good

thing ever.

Additionally, the nutrient carnosine that is critical to preventing

lethal glycation reactions in the body is found in meat leaving

vegetarians at a disadvantage and might possibly be a reason that

longevity study outcomes are mixed even taking into account that vegans

eat fewer calories per day.

I'd hazard to state that if caloric consumption could be held equivalent

between vegetarians and meat eaters and if meat eaters could get their

product from organic unprocessed sources equivalent to the amount of

handling and processing that fruit and veggies receive, that longevity

studies would show that a healthy palieo diet consisting of a lot of

good meat and fat along with veggies/fruit would be superior for both

life extension and all-cause mortality statistics.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

The problem with your carnosine theory is that even meat-eaters don't get enough

carnosine to really make a difference as far as glycation goes. Everyone should

supplement daily with 1000 mg. if they want to prevent glycation And, BTW, I'd

love to see how anyone could possibly hold the caloric consumption equivalent

between meat-eaters and vegetarians to do a study. Even if you could, I'd put my

money on the vegetarians-way more nutrients,fiber, phytochemicals,etc. and no

saturated animal fat.

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From: Steve <dudescholar4@...>

Guro Dennis Servaes wrote:

>

>

> Jim and Steve

> Believe whatever you want to but the truth is the number one killer in

> the United States is heart disease,

Which is not a point anyone was trying to make - this is known as a

straw man.

> which is a byproduct of the meat and

> dairy industries.

Unsubstantiated.

> Vegans typically out-live all other people by decades,

Unsubstantiated. A decade is 10 years so " decades " in the plural means

you are stating that vegans live 20 or more years longer than

non-vegans. That is definitively incorrect. I couldn't find a study

that worked with equivalent caloric consumption in both vegan and

non-vegan groups while holding such other causes of death such as

smoking constant.

> when they get iron, zinc, Vit B6, Calcium, Riboflavin, Vit B12, protein,

> omega3 and 6, and antioxidants (selenium, Vit E, Vit C and beta

> carotein) in their diet. Some have been vegan since they were weaned and

> lived to be over 100,

Rare. Some smokers also live to be over 100 and that is also rare.

Ostensibly, if one is eating a varied vegetarian diet, based on the

claims by vegetarians about said health benefits, one would not expect

to have to take an extensive list of supplements, or any supplements at all.

and stayed healthy never taking supplements and

> never eating meat and dairy, and seldom going to the doctor. Any

> marathon runner that does well is predominently vegetarian.

Unsubstantiated. Athletes in general are meat eaters and out perform

vegans.

>

The world's

> strongest bench press athelete is a vegan.

Assuming you at least got this one fact right (which I doubt), bench

pressers are not known for their longevity.

>

Whales, elephants, gorillas,

> cows mooses are all predominantly vege tarian.

That works if you are a whale, elephant, cow, or moose. Are you? On

the other hand, if you are a bear, pig, rodent, or primate, you are an

omnivore.

>

> I know of elderly people

> that are vegan and healthy and take no medications and no supplements as

> far as I know of. I met one woman and her Mom had taken high blood

> pressure medicine for 3 decades but after switching to a

> strict vegan diet and daily exercise she no longer neeeded the meds.

> Something that just doesn't happen on a meat and dairy diet, but keep

> believing up is down if that is what makes you happy.

I prefer science, empirical science, not hearsay and testimonials.

> Dennis

Vegetarianism comes off to me like religious fundamentalism, not a good

thing ever.

Additionally, the nutrient carnosine that is critical to preventing

lethal glycation reactions in the body is found in meat leaving

vegetarians at a disadvantage and might possibly be a reason that

longevity study outcomes are mixed even taking into account that vegans

eat fewer calories per day.

I'd hazard to state that if caloric consumption could be held equivalent

between vegetarians and meat eaters and if meat eaters could get their

product from organic unprocessed sources equivalent to the amount of

handling and processing that fruit and veggies receive, that longevity

studies would show that a healthy palieo diet consisting of a lot of

good meat and fat along with veggies/fruit would be superior for both

life extension and all-cause mortality statistics.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our m arch

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford