Re: acid/alkaline balance of the body <carol>

[Guest guest]

Okay....so my teeth are disolving from too acid saliva.

I am eating about the way you suggest...also, nothing crappy like

packaged foods, sodas, etc. I have added in a bit of baking soda as

well.

Now what?

~Inga

On Dec 18, 2007, at 7:40 AM, wrote:

> Carol said: " Saliva pH doesn't vary as much and is normally somewhat

> alkaline. Acid saliva pH can be a problem. Many people are

> actually toooo alkaline, especially if they're not getting

> adequate protein, or are erroneously trying to make themselves

> more alkaline when it's not necessary (green drink products

> used to excess).

>

> Eat a balanced diet with lots of fresh vegetables and some

> fruit, adequate protein, good water, eliminate junk,

> and don't worry about pH. "

>

> Carol

>

[Guest guest]

I know someone who used to drink two or three glasses of wine before, not with,

dinner. The acidity caused his teeth to disolve. Acidic juices might do the

same. Just a thought. S.J.

Ingrid Mager <wolfiebear@...> wrote: Okay....so my teeth are

disolving from too acid saliva.

I am eating about the way you suggest...also, nothing crappy like

packaged foods, sodas, etc. I have added in a bit of baking soda as

well.

Now what?

~Inga

On Dec 18, 2007, at 7:40 AM, wrote:

> Carol said: " Saliva pH doesn't vary as much and is normally somewhat

> alkaline. Acid saliva pH can be a problem. Many people are

> actually toooo alkaline, especially if they're not getting

> adequate protein, or are erroneously trying to make themselves

> more alkaline when it's not necessary (green drink products

> used to excess).

>

> Eat a balanced diet with lots of fresh vegetables and some

> fruit, adequate protein, good water, eliminate junk,

> and don't worry about pH. "

>

> Carol

>

[Guest guest]

thansk,

I drink no wine or alcohol, soda pop or acid juices. I do

occasionally have a cup of organic, decaf espressso. Is this enough

to radically disolve teeth?

Thanks,

Inga

On Dec 20, 2007, at 7:06 AM, wrote:

> I know someone who used to drink two or three glasses of wine

> before, not with, dinner. The acidity caused his teeth to disolve.

> Acidic juices might do the same. Just a thought. S.J.

>

> Ingrid Mager <wolfiebear@...> wrote: Okay....so my teeth

> are disolving from too acid saliva.

> I am eating about the way you suggest...also, nothing crappy like

> packaged foods, sodas, etc. I have added in a bit of baking soda as

> well.

> Now what?

>

> ~Inga

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Inga, I imagine you are taking a good women's multivitamin. I like GNC's

Women's Ultra Mega. I would also suggest a vitamin D and extra magnesium

everyday. Another wonderful way to increase you magnesium level is to bathe in a

bath of Epsom Salts once a week. It is Magnesium Sulfate. I put a 4# package in

a hot bath and soak 15 minutes. You may want to try less if you want. The

package says to use a cup or two?? Your call. I have no adverse reaction from

this much except feeling wonderful. Also the feeling of " Calmness and Well

Being " for the next day is worth it alone. If you do it before bedtime your

sleep will be much better. S.J.

Ingrid Mager <wolfiebear@...> wrote: thansk,

I drink no wine or alcohol, soda pop or acid juices. I do

occasionally have a cup of organic, decaf espressso. Is this enough

to radically disolve teeth?

Thanks,

Inga

On Dec 20, 2007, at 7:06 AM, wrote:

> I know someone who used to drink two or three glasses of wine

> before, not with, dinner. The acidity caused his teeth to disolve.

> Acidic juices might do the same. Just a thought. S.J.

>

> Ingrid Mager <wolfiebear@...> wrote: Okay....so my teeth

> are disolving from too acid saliva.

> I am eating about the way you suggest...also, nothing crappy like

> packaged foods, sodas, etc. I have added in a bit of baking soda as

> well.

> Now what?

>

> ~Inga

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

My doctor recommends this protocol. He says to use one cup of Epsom

Salts and one cup of baking soda in a bath. I asked if I could just

soap my feet in this solution, but he said no - feet is not enough. He

said surface area matters, and there's an in-out cycle that takes place

in a bath. He says it tremendously improves acidic bodies.

wrote:

> Hi Inga, I imagine you are taking a good women's multivitamin. I like

> GNC's Women's Ultra Mega. I would also suggest a vitamin D and extra

> magnesium everyday. Another wonderful way to increase you magnesium

> level is to bathe in a bath of Epsom Salts once a week. It is

> Magnesium Sulfate. I put a 4# package in a hot bath and soak 15

> minutes. You may want to try less if you want. The package says to use

> a cup or two?? Your call. I have no adverse reaction from this much

> except feeling wonderful. Also the feeling of " Calmness and Well

> Being " for the next day is worth it alone. If you do it before bedtime

> your sleep will be much better. S.J.

>

> Ingrid Mager <wolfiebear@...

> <mailto:wolfiebear%40coldreams.com>> wrote: thansk,

> I drink no wine or alcohol, soda pop or acid juices. I do

> occasionally have a cup of organic, decaf espressso. Is this enough

> to radically disolve teeth?

>

> Thanks,

> Inga

>

> On Dec 20, 2007, at 7:06 AM, wrote:

>

> > I know someone who used to drink two or three glasses of wine

> > before, not with, dinner. The acidity caused his teeth to disolve.

> > Acidic juices might do the same. Just a thought. S.J.

> >

> > Ingrid Mager <wolfiebear@...

> <mailto:wolfiebear%40coldreams.com>> wrote: Okay....so my teeth

> > are disolving from too acid saliva.

> > I am eating about the way you suggest...also, nothing crappy like

> > packaged foods, sodas, etc. I have added in a bit of baking soda as

> > well.

> > Now what?

> >

> > ~Inga

> >

> > .

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oooh....I will try this.

I am already doing some Epsom salts soaks now and again, take D, and

a complete protocol of specific supplements as I can afford them, but

I never thoght of naking soda in the tub.

It soudns good to me, and Illl will try it. Thanks!

~Inga

On Dec 23, 2007, at 3:12 PM, Apricot wrote:

> My doctor recommends this protocol. He says to use one cup of Epsom

> Salts and one cup of baking soda in a bath. I asked if I could just

> soap my feet in this solution, but he said no - feet is not enough. He

> said surface area matters, and there's an in-out cycle that takes

> place

> in a bath. He says it tremendously improves acidic bodies.

>

> wrote:

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Do you know if you have any bone problems? If it isn't your pH that is

the problem, I would seek testing for bones in general.

Starting with a DEXA scan, and Vitamin D test. This idea is based on the

idea that you can lose your bones ( & teeth) due to a vitamin D

deficiency. Without enough D, the body doesn't use calcium correctly,

and steals the minerals from your bones ( & teeth).

I highly recommend the vit D testing because you will never know how

much vitamin D you need to take to correct a deficiency. I've talked to

too many people who need to take 7,000 - 10,000 iu /day to get their vit

D levels in the midrange.

After that, I would probably also go to a hormone doctor to check on

those - rule out any issues with basic progesterone, estrogen, free

testosterone, free t3.

Amy

Ingrid Mager wrote:

> Okay....so my teeth are disolving from too acid saliva.

> I am eating about the way you suggest...also, nothing crappy like

> packaged foods, sodas, etc. I have added in a bit of baking soda as

> well.

> Now what?

>

> ~Inga

>

> On Dec 18, 2007, at 7:40 AM, wrote:

> > Carol said: " Saliva pH doesn't vary as much and is normally somewhat

> > alkaline. Acid saliva pH can be a problem. Many people are

> > actually toooo alkaline, especially if they're not getting

> > adequate protein, or are erroneously trying to make themselves

> > more alkaline when it's not necessary (green drink products

> > used to excess).

> >

> > Eat a balanced diet with lots of fresh vegetables and some

> > fruit, adequate protein, good water, eliminate junk,

> > and don't worry about pH. "

> >

> > Carol

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Apricot wrote:

> I highly recommend the vit D testing because you will never know how

> much vitamin D you need to take to correct a deficiency. I've talked to

> too many people who need to take 7,000 - 10,000 iu /day to get their vit

> D levels in the midrange.

Interesting that it took me 7400 IU/day of vitamin D to get into the middle of

the lab reference range and even then, it seems that the lab reference range may

be too low.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

You too, huh? Ain't that something. What can we think about the

pathetically low RDA?

My mom (who has severe osteoporosis) is always getting a script for vit

D for 50,000 IU / per wk for 6 wks at a time.

One source I like for vit D is www.bio-tech-pharm.com They sell high

dose vit D.

Steve wrote:

> Apricot wrote:

>

> > I highly recommend the vit D testing because you will never know how

> > much vitamin D you need to take to correct a deficiency. I've talked to

> > too many people who need to take 7,000 - 10,000 iu /day to get their vit

> > D levels in the midrange.

>

> Interesting that it took me 7400 IU/day of vitamin D to get into the

> middle of

> the lab reference range and even then, it seems that the lab reference

> range may

> be too low.

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@... <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net>

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

> <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html>

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

>

[Guest guest]

I heard if we don't stay in the house too much we will get all of the vitamin D

we need from the sunshine.

Dennis

Apricot <apricot85@...> wrote:

You too, huh? Ain't that something. What can we think about the

pathetically low RDA?

My mom (who has severe osteoporosis) is always getting a script for vit

D for 50,000 IU / per wk for 6 wks at a time.

One source I like for vit D is www.bio-tech-pharm.com They sell high

dose vit D.

Steve wrote:

> Apricot wrote:

>

> > I highly recommend the vit D testing because you will never know how

> > much vitamin D you need to take to correct a deficiency. I've talked to

> > too many people who need to take 7,000 - 10,000 iu /day to get their vit

> > D levels in the midrange.

>

> Interesting that it took me 7400 IU/day of vitamin D to get into the

> middle of

> the lab reference range and even then, it seems that the lab reference

> range may

> be too low.

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@... <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net>

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

> <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html>

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

>

[Guest guest]

That doesn't appear to be true. As one gets older, their ability to create

vitamin D from sunlight decreases requiring supplementation to even stay above

the low end of normal.

Take a look at this article about a recent study.

Adequate sun exposure no guard against low vitamin D

http://www.healthcentral.com/cholesterol/news-43006-66.html

I'm guessing that there is also something in the diet that is depleting vitamin

D, something at is a result of chemicals of some kind in food, clothing, or

something fairly common, a carcinogen of some sort perhaps that the body needs

vitamin D to neutralize. It is clear that merely increasing one's vitamin D

intake form vitamins by 1000 IU/day decreases cancer by 77%.

In other words, more vitamin D might be needed that normal AND sunlight is not

enough to supply those needs, not by a long shot.

I do think in the next year or two, that the RDA will be changed and also that

the lab reference ranges will be increased.

As to prescription vitamin D, that is typically D2 from vegetable sources,

something I wouldn't want to take.

Steve

Guro Dennis Servaes wrote:

>

>

> I heard if we don't stay in the house too much we will get all of the

> vitamin D we need from the sunshine.

> Dennis

>

>

> Apricot <apricot85@... <mailto:apricot85%40rcn.com>> wrote:

> You too, huh? Ain't that something. What can we think about the

> pathetically low RDA?

>

> My mom (who has severe osteoporosis) is always getting a script for vit

> D for 50,000 IU / per wk for 6 wks at a time.

>

> One source I like for vit D is www.bio-tech-pharm.com They sell high

> dose vit D.

>

> Steve wrote:

>

> > Apricot wrote:

> >

> > > I highly recommend the vit D testing because you will never know how

> > > much vitamin D you need to take to correct a deficiency. I've talked to

> > > too many people who need to take 7,000 - 10,000 iu /day to get

> their vit

> > > D levels in the midrange.

> >

> > Interesting that it took me 7400 IU/day of vitamin D to get into the

> > middle of

> > the lab reference range and even then, it seems that the lab reference

> > range may

> > be too low.

> >

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

The problem is, some of us are marooned in palces like Northenr Idaho

when practically the only time there is anysun, it is too blazing hot

to go outside (Grrrr....)

~Inga

On Dec 27, 2007, at 11:04 PM, Guro Dennis Servaes wrote:

> I heard if we don't stay in the house too much we will get all of

> the vitamin D we need from the sunshine.

> Dennis

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Obviously, the amount of Vit D that you get from sunlight is directly

related to your location, the season, your skin color, and the amount

of clothing that you wear among other things. For some under some

conditions, sunlight will not possibly do it.

Guro Dennis Servaes wrote:

> I heard if we don't stay in the house too much we will get all of the

> vitamin D we need from the sunshine.

> Dennis

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ingrid

I lived in Glacier National Park and was outdoors everyday I was there.

The problem is... if you stay indoors you don't get enough fresh air and not

enough sunlight.

Read the Book Sunlight by KIME ISBN 0-9604268-1-7 Kime is a scientist and

will explain why taking vitamin D is actually bad for you. He has a lot to say

about milk too, and compares vitamin D supplements to bad cholesterol. Getting

the right amount of sunlight can save your life. Early morning sunlight

improves the circadium rythm in both sexes and testosterone in men. The pineal

gland is an endocrine gland that is effected by light rays, and a full spectrum

of light such as from the sun increases melatonin production and also a balance

to homeostasis and one's hormones, whereas a pill or shot almost invariably will

have side effects and an unbalancing effect. Build a sunroom on the south side

of your home. Also, antioxidants (Especially- Selenium, beta- carotein, vit. c,

and vit E). are essential for fighting the free radicals which are harmful to

the skin. Beta carotein is especially important for sunworshippers to avoid

skin cancer. Also, avoid lard and

other animal greases and margarine.

In order for your bones to absorb calcium your pH must be correct. One of the

best things anyone to do is strength exercise. Strength training helps trigger

the absorption of Calcium. So by doing some simple isometrics along with

morning cardio outdoors we benifit by homeostasis improvements, absorption of

vit D from the sun and a reason for the body to absorb Calcium into the bones.

Concentric exercise is like curling a dumbell or can of soup. Your bicep

shortens and the can goes up. Eccentric is when the dumbell or can goes down.

It is important to breath correctly when doing strength training. Exhale on the

concentric and inhale on the eccentric. Isometric is when the joints don't move

so like the concentric the muscle shortens but the joint doesn't move due to

opposing pressure. Exhale during the entire exercise then rest and inhale.

Pushing on the wall is a good isometric, and opening and closing the hands as

tight as possible.

The best to you!

Dennis

http://www.geocities.com/dennisservaes/science.html

Ingrid Mager <wolfiebear@...> wrote:

The problem is, some of us are marooned in palces like Northenr Idaho

when practically the only time there is anysun, it is too blazing hot

to go outside (Grrrr....)

~Inga

On Dec 27, 2007, at 11:04 PM, Guro Dennis Servaes wrote:

> I heard if we don't stay in the house too much we will get all of

> the vitamin D we need from the sunshine.

> Dennis

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Steve

I read and agree with the author, and I've read similar studies that say

similar, but the study merely states that sunlight won't raise certain

individual's vit D level due to their unable to absorb enough vit D into their

body for whatever reason. What they aren't considering is the individual's

homeostasis and why they are aren't able to absorb vit. D. That would seem

nearly impossible, but it probably isn't a defect in the sun rays. Consuming

Vit D in dairy products throughout adulthood is more likely to be the problem.

The homeostasis of all of those individuals will avoid absorbing something

unnatural into the body, and probably at one time their body got to the point

that it shut down absorbing vit. D into the body and stayed that way, so the

doctor insists on larger dosages and injections.

I would suggest people that have any health problem to become completely vegan

and exercise regularly, and deep breathing fresh air and get sunshine not at

noon and drink good water is important. If you haven't been doing all of these

things, you will suffer the consequences.

Dennis

Steve <dudescholar4@...> wrote:

That doesn't appear to be true. As one gets older, their ability to

create

vitamin D from sunlight decreases requiring supplementation to even stay above

the low end of normal.

Take a look at this article about a recent study.

Adequate sun exposure no guard against low vitamin D

http://www.healthcentral.com/cholesterol/news-43006-66.html

I'm guessing that there is also something in the diet that is depleting vitamin

D, something at is a result of chemicals of some kind in food, clothing, or

something fairly common, a carcinogen of some sort perhaps that the body needs

vitamin D to neutralize. It is clear that merely increasing one's vitamin D

intake form vitamins by 1000 IU/day decreases cancer by 77%.

In other words, more vitamin D might be needed that normal AND sunlight is not

enough to supply those needs, not by a long shot.

I do think in the next year or two, that the RDA will be changed and also that

the lab reference ranges will be increased.

As to prescription vitamin D, that is typically D2 from vegetable sources,

something I wouldn't want to take.

Steve

Guro Dennis Servaes wrote:

>

>

> I heard if we don't stay in the house too much we will get all of the

> vitamin D we need from the sunshine.

> Dennis

>

>

> Apricot <apricot85@... <mailto:apricot85%40rcn.com>> wrote:

> You too, huh? Ain't that something. What can we think about the

> pathetically low RDA?

>

> My mom (who has severe osteoporosis) is always getting a script for vit

> D for 50,000 IU / per wk for 6 wks at a time.

>

> One source I like for vit D is www.bio-tech-pharm.com They sell high

> dose vit D.

>

> Steve wrote:

>

> > Apricot wrote:

> >

> > > I highly recommend the vit D testing because you will never know how

> > > much vitamin D you need to take to correct a deficiency. I've talked to

> > > too many people who need to take 7,000 - 10,000 iu /day to get

> their vit

> > > D levels in the midrange.

> >

> > Interesting that it took me 7400 IU/day of vitamin D to get into the

> > middle of

> > the lab reference range and even then, it seems that the lab reference

> > range may

> > be too low.

> >

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

This looks like a mix of BS to me mixed with a few misc facts and tangents

thrown in. The evidence for the benefit of vitamin D supplementation is

becoming overwhelming and to blow it off is irrational. For those of us who are

interested in life extension beyond the max possible by mere nature,

supplementation is necessary at this point. I suspect the " book " doesn't make a

good distinction between vitamin D2 and vitamin D3 where most historical

supplementation via prescription was vitamin D2.

Building a " sun room " is a lot more expensive than vitamin D3 supplementation,

which is very inexpensive.

It doesn't make sense to me that you would be negative on vitamin D3

supplementation but pro several other kinds of supplementation each of which has

their pluses and minuses.

etc.

Steve

Guro Dennis Servaes wrote:

>

>

> Ingrid

> I lived in Glacier National Park and was outdoors everyday I was there.

> The problem is... if you stay indoors you don't get enough fresh air and

> not enough sunlight.

> Read the Book Sunlight by KIME ISBN 0-9604268-1-7 Kime is a scientist

> and will explain why taking vitamin D is actually bad for you. He has a

> lot to say about milk too, and compares vitamin D supplements to bad

> cholesterol. Getting the right amount of sunlight can save your life.

> Early morning sunlight improves the circadium rythm in both sexes and

> testosterone in men. The pineal gland is an endocrine gland that is

> effected by light rays, and a full spectrum of light such as from the

> sun increases melatonin production and also a balance to homeostasis and

> one's hormones, whereas a pill or shot almost invariably will have side

> effects and an unbalancing effect. Build a sunroom on the south side of

> your home. Also, antioxidants (Especially- Selenium, beta- carotein,

> vit. c, and vit E). are essential for fighting the free radicals which

> are harmful to the skin. Beta carotein is especially important for

> sunworshippers to avoid skin cancer. Also, avoid lard and

> other animal greases and margarine.

> In order for your bones to absorb calcium your pH must be correct. One

> of the best things anyone to do is strength exercise. Strength training

> helps trigger the absorption of Calcium. So by doing some simple

> isometrics along with morning cardio outdoors we benifit by homeostasis

> improvements, absorption of vit D from the sun and a reason for the body

> to absorb Calcium into the bones.

> Concentric exercise is like curling a dumbell or can of soup. Your bicep

> shortens and the can goes up. Eccentric is when the dumbell or can goes

> down. It is important to breath correctly when doing strength training.

> Exhale on the concentric and inhale on the eccentric. Isometric is when

> the joints don't move so like the concentric the muscle shortens but the

> joint doesn't move due to opposing pressure. Exhale during the entire

> exercise then rest and inhale. Pushing on the wall is a good isometric,

> and opening and closing the hands as tight as possible.

> The best to you!

> Dennis

>

> http://www.geocities.com/dennisservaes/science.html

> <http://www.geocities.com/dennisservaes/science.html>

>

>

>

> Ingrid Mager <wolfiebear@...

> <mailto:wolfiebear%40coldreams.com>> wrote:

> The problem is, some of us are marooned in palces like Northenr Idaho

> when practically the only time there is anysun, it is too blazing hot

> to go outside (Grrrr....)

>

> ~Inga

> On Dec 27, 2007, at 11:04 PM, Guro Dennis Servaes wrote:

>

> > I heard if we don't stay in the house too much we will get all of

> > the vitamin D we need from the sunshine.

> > Dennis

> >

> > .

> >

> >

>

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Becoming vegan is foolishness, not a prescription for life extension, and

negatively affects IQ. From all the studies I've read and interpretations

thereof, I find the evidence compelling that a palio/caveman diet with limited

carbs and very low glycemic ones at that is by far the healthiest with respect

to minimized insulin secretions, low AGE creation, etc.

While I have no problem with vitamin D3 supplementation, it works, I would not

accept vitamin D2 injections.

Vitamin D is not absorbed from sunlight, it is primarily created in the skin

from cholesterol and UV sunlight.

Again, you are missing the point on age, latitude, season, career, religious

effects on " modesty " , etc., limiting the ability of almost all people to make

sufficient sunlight from vitamin D. The optimum amount of vitamin for longevity

may also be different than the " natural " amount created by hunter gathers who

wear almost no cloths and live in the tropics.

Steve

Guro Dennis Servaes wrote:

>

>

> Steve

> I read and agree with the author, and I've read similar studies that say

> similar, but the study merely states that sunlight won't raise certain

> individual's vit D level due to their unable to absorb enough vit D into

> their body for whatever reason. What they aren't considering is the

> individual's homeostasis and why they are aren't able to absorb vit. D.

> That would seem nearly impossible, but it probably isn't a defect in the

> sun rays. Consuming Vit D in dairy products throughout adulthood is more

> likely to be the problem. The homeostasis of all of those individuals

> will avoid absorbing something unnatural into the body, and probably at

> one time their body got to the point that it shut down absorbing vit. D

> into the body and stayed that way, so the doctor insists on larger

> dosages and injections.

> I would suggest people that have any health problem to become completely

> vegan and exercise regularly, and deep breathing fresh air and get

> sunshine not at noon and drink good water is important. If you haven't

> been doing all of these things, you will suffer the consequences.

> Dennis

>

> Steve <dudescholar4@... <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net>>

> wrote:

> That doesn't appear to be true. As one gets older, their ability to create

> vitamin D from sunlight decreases requiring supplementation to even stay

> above

> the low end of normal.

>

> Take a look at this article about a recent study.

>

> Adequate sun exposure no guard against low vitamin D

> http://www.healthcentral.com/cholesterol/news-43006-66.html

> <http://www.healthcentral.com/cholesterol/news-43006-66.html>

>

> I'm guessing that there is also something in the diet that is depleting

> vitamin

> D, something at is a result of chemicals of some kind in food, clothing, or

> something fairly common, a carcinogen of some sort perhaps that the body

> needs

> vitamin D to neutralize. It is clear that merely increasing one's vitamin D

> intake form vitamins by 1000 IU/day decreases cancer by 77%.

>

> In other words, more vitamin D might be needed that normal AND sunlight

> is not

> enough to supply those needs, not by a long shot.

>

> I do think in the next year or two, that the RDA will be changed and

> also that

> the lab reference ranges will be increased.

>

> As to prescription vitamin D, that is typically D2 from vegetable sources,

> something I wouldn't want to take.

>

> Steve

>

> Guro Dennis Servaes wrote:

> >

> >

> > I heard if we don't stay in the house too much we will get all of the

> > vitamin D we need from the sunshine.

> > Dennis

> >

> >

> > Apricot <apricot85@... <mailto:apricot85%40rcn.com>

> <mailto:apricot85%40rcn.com>> wrote:

> > You too, huh? Ain't that something. What can we think about the

> > pathetically low RDA?

> >

> > My mom (who has severe osteoporosis) is always getting a script for vit

> > D for 50,000 IU / per wk for 6 wks at a time.

> >

> > One source I like for vit D is www.bio-tech-pharm.com They sell high

> > dose vit D.

> >

> > Steve wrote:

> >

> > > Apricot wrote:

> > >

> > > > I highly recommend the vit D testing because you will never know how

> > > > much vitamin D you need to take to correct a deficiency. I've

> talked to

> > > > too many people who need to take 7,000 - 10,000 iu /day to get

> > their vit

> > > > D levels in the midrange.

> > >

> > > Interesting that it took me 7400 IU/day of vitamin D to get into the

> > > middle of

> > > the lab reference range and even then, it seems that the lab reference

> > > range may

> > > be too low.

> > >

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@... <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net>

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

There is a problem here as the Doc is quite

possibly prescribing vitamin D2 not D3.

Vitamin D2 is inferior to vitamin D3.

Do a Pubmed search on the question and you'll

see D3 is a far better choice.

The link provide by the previous party goes

to a source of vitamin D3 5000 IU powder capsules.

Technically the 200 and 400 IU recommendations

aren't RDA values but AI values as I dimly recall.

Which indicates more uncertainty, though most

miss this point.

Read Hollis's most recent paper on vitmain D

needs and you'll see doses of 1000 or 2000 IU

are still quite low and reaching

an optimal dose for many depends on the context

i.e. age, sun exposure, GI absorption dysfunctions (celiac disease

damage, etc), and genetics.

It looks like some may need 6000 or 7000 IU

from sun and oral intake to be optimal.

>

> You too, huh? Ain't that something. What can we think about the

> pathetically low RDA?

>

> My mom (who has severe osteoporosis) is always getting a script for

vit

> D for 50,000 IU / per wk for 6 wks at a time.

>

> One source I like for vit D is www.bio-tech-pharm.com They sell

high

> dose vit D.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you are talking about Zane Kimes, he has been dead

since 1993 according to one source. So his comments

will not have the " light " from newer research on the topic.

Kimes would appear to favor the sun or perhaps sun lamps.

The circadian rhythm angle is an interesting one.

I've been thinking about it of late myself.

Still I see no reason to fear vitamin D3 supplements.

I do have some doubts about the use of D2 supplements

(vegan style vitamin D) as it occurs in the human diet

at only very very low levels even by 'vitamin D standards.'

Whereas, some traditional diet which some of my ancestors

had would resulted in diets containing rather large

doses of vitamin D3 from food. And they would have got more sun

at least in the spring and summer than we moderns. Indeed, they

still retained some religious traditions concerning the

sun before they left the old country. Such that sun

was seen as a healthy thing.

>

> > I heard if we don't stay in the house too much we will get all of

> > the vitamin D we need from the sunshine.

> > Dennis

> >

> > .

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, very true. There is actually a web site where you can punch in

your latitude, the smog level, and some other information - and will

tell you statistically how much UVB you can get. I'm sorry I lost track

of that web site. Insufficient sunlight isn't the only reason for

vit D deficiency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D excerpts:

Vitamin D deficiency can result from: inadequate intake coupled with

inadequate sunlight exposure, disorders that limit its absorption,

conditions that impair conversion of vitamin D into active metabolites

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolite>, such as liver

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver> or kidney disorders, or, rarely, by

a number of hereditary disorders.

Vitamin D requirements increase with age, while the ability of skin to

convert 7-dehydrocholesterol to pre-vitamin D3 decreases.[17]

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#_note-7> In addition the ability

of the kidneys <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney> to convert

calcidiol to its active form also decreases with age, prompting the need

for increased vitamin D supplementation in elderly individuals.

This tells us it's helpful if we are young, because as we get older, the

body becomes less efficient in converting UVB to vitamin D. I don't

think we even know all the reasons why the conversion does not always

work very well. My mother got out in the sun every day in the summer

time - but her vit D levels were still deficient. She also takes

medications too, which may be a factor.

Some people feel that supplementation is safer - I have a red headed

friend with melanoma who feels this way. She feels she now has melanoma

because of younger days in the sun water skiing, and beach going.

Unfortunately, the only way we could know whether we convert from sun ,

or whether we have enough vit D levels, is with a vit D test. Most

doctors will order the test if you ask for it. Otherwise, they only do

it after you break bones from osteoporosis.

Jim wrote:

> Obviously, the amount of Vit D that you get from sunlight is directly

> related to your location, the season, your skin color, and the amount

> of clothing that you wear among other things. For some under some

> conditions, sunlight will not possibly do it.

>

[Guest guest]

Good points that you make Steve.

Your last, " The optimum amount of vitamin for longevity may also be

different than the " natural " amount created by hunter gathers who wear

almost no cloths and live in the tropics " could apply to virtually all

nutrients and also to other aspects of health we may aspire to other

than longevity.

I, for one, am not nearly so interested in longevity as much as simply

living well and maintaining my spiritual balance... which is

difficult, if not impossible, when the physical body is screaming out

in pain.

Jim

Steve wrote:

> Becoming vegan is foolishness, not a prescription for life extension, and

> negatively affects IQ. From all the studies I've read and interpretations

> thereof, I find the evidence compelling that a palio/caveman diet with

> limited

> carbs and very low glycemic ones at that is by far the healthiest with

> respect

> to minimized insulin secretions, low AGE creation, etc.

>

> While I have no problem with vitamin D3 supplementation, it works, I

> would not

> accept vitamin D2 injections.

>

> Vitamin D is not absorbed from sunlight, it is primarily created in

> the skin

> from cholesterol and UV sunlight.

>

> Again, you are missing the point on age, latitude, season, career,

> religious

> effects on " modesty " , etc., limiting the ability of almost all people

> to make

> sufficient sunlight from vitamin D. The optimum amount of vitamin for

> longevity

> may also be different than the " natural " amount created by hunter

> gathers who

> wear almost no cloths and live in the tropics.

>

> Steve

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@... <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net>

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

> <http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html>

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Apricot:

Now that we have beaten Vitamin D to death, please, please tell your

friend about MMS for her melanoma. Jim Humble says that with a

comprehensive program, the melanoma will literally shrivel up and drop

out in 15 days leaving a cavity that will heal in a week. That turns a

life threatening problem almost a non-issue.

Regards, Jim

Apricot wrote:

> Yes, very true. There is actually a web site where you can punch in

> your latitude, the smog level, and some other information - and will

> tell you statistically how much UVB you can get. I'm sorry I lost track

> of that web site. Insufficient sunlight isn't the only reason for

> vit D deficiency.

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D> excerpts:

> Vitamin D deficiency can result from: inadequate intake coupled with

> inadequate sunlight exposure, disorders that limit its absorption,

> conditions that impair conversion of vitamin D into active metabolites

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolite

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolite>>, such as liver

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver>> or kidney disorders, or, rarely, by

> a number of hereditary disorders.

>

> Vitamin D requirements increase with age, while the ability of skin to

> convert 7-dehydrocholesterol to pre-vitamin D3 decreases.[17]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#_note-7

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#_note-7>> In addition the ability

> of the kidneys <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney>> to convert

> calcidiol to its active form also decreases with age, prompting the need

> for increased vitamin D supplementation in elderly individuals.

>

> This tells us it's helpful if we are young, because as we get older, the

> body becomes less efficient in converting UVB to vitamin D. I don't

> think we even know all the reasons why the conversion does not always

> work very well. My mother got out in the sun every day in the summer

> time - but her vit D levels were still deficient. She also takes

> medications too, which may be a factor.

>

> Some people feel that supplementation is safer - I have a red headed

> friend with melanoma who feels this way. She feels she now has melanoma

> because of younger days in the sun water skiing, and beach going.

>

> Unfortunately, the only way we could know whether we convert from sun ,

> or whether we have enough vit D levels, is with a vit D test. Most

> doctors will order the test if you ask for it. Otherwise, they only do

> it after you break bones from osteoporosis.

>

> Jim wrote:

>

> > Obviously, the amount of Vit D that you get from sunlight is directly

> > related to your location, the season, your skin color, and the amount

> > of clothing that you wear among other things. For some under some

> > conditions, sunlight will not possibly do it.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, you are preaching to the choir here. I have told all this to my

mother ... & told her... and am just talking to the walls. You aren't

telling me anything I don't know, & I totally agree with you. I do not

live in the south, and I am a working girl so I can't get UVB unless

it's the weekend and in the summer. We all know that unless you live in

Georgia or below, the UVB does not hit us unless it's the summer months.

It's the UVB that is required for vitamin D.

There have been *hundreds* of studies on this issue ... You have no idea

how my mother frustrates me! If I try to look at the bright side, then

I might say that at least she is getting tested. And at least she is

getting something - even if it's not the right vit D - and perhaps the

script she gets is better than nothing.

BTW, that link you mentioned was the link I provided - that is where I

get my D3 source (www.bio-tech-pharm.com). I am just shaking my head

here ... I get tested, & I supplement vit D to get my labs in the right

range.

There is some 'alternative' information about vit D that doesn't get

much press. Not sure I should even mention it here - but here goes.

This alternative information puts a wrinkle in all the PRO vit D

stories. This infomation relates just to people who have Rhuematoid

ARth, or have some form of auto-immune disease. If the disease is

caused by micoplasma bacteria, then the goal is anti-biotic therapy.

When you pursue anti-biotic therapy, the goal is to KILL the bacteria

and reduce the hiding places for these TINY bacteria. It appears that

vit D creates a more peacable kingdom & protects the micoplasma. There

are many MANY articles about this... but here's a one with a simple

explanation. http://wehelpwhathurts.homestead.com/immunoinflammatory.html

betaine_hcl wrote:

> There is a problem here as the Doc is quite

> possibly prescribing vitamin D2 not D3.

> Vitamin D2 is inferior to vitamin D3.

> Do a Pubmed search on the question and you'll

> see D3 is a far better choice.

>

> The link provide by the previous party goes

> to a source of vitamin D3 5000 IU powder capsules.

>

> Technically the 200 and 400 IU recommendations

> aren't RDA values but AI values as I dimly recall.

> Which indicates more uncertainty, though most

> miss this point.

>

> Read Hollis's most recent paper on vitmain D

> needs and you'll see doses of 1000 or 2000 IU

> are still quite low and reaching

> an optimal dose for many depends on the context

> i.e. age, sun exposure, GI absorption dysfunctions (celiac disease

> damage, etc), and genetics.

> It looks like some may need 6000 or 7000 IU

> from sun and oral intake to be optimal.

>

>

> >

> > You too, huh? Ain't that something. What can we think about the

> > pathetically low RDA?

> >

> > My mom (who has severe osteoporosis) is always getting a script for

> vit

> > D for 50,000 IU / per wk for 6 wks at a time.

> >

> > One source I like for vit D is www.bio-tech-pharm.com They sell

> high

> > dose vit D.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Jim is MMS Miracle Mineral Solution or something else?

Thanks,

Jim

From: Longevity [mailto:Longevity ] On Behalf

Of Jim

Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 3:52 PM

Longevity

Subject: Re: acid/alkaline balance of the body <carol>

Hi Apricot:

Now that we have beaten Vitamin D to death, please, please tell your

friend about MMS for her melanoma. Jim Humble says that with a

comprehensive program, the melanoma will literally shrivel up and drop

out in 15 days leaving a cavity that will heal in a week. That turns a

life threatening problem almost a non-issue.

Regards, Jim

Apricot wrote:

> Yes, very true. There is actually a web site where you can punch in

> your latitude, the smog level, and some other information - and will

> tell you statistically how much UVB you can get. I'm sorry I lost track

> of that web site. Insufficient sunlight isn't the only reason for

> vit D deficiency.

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D> excerpts:

> Vitamin D deficiency can result from: inadequate intake coupled with

> inadequate sunlight exposure, disorders that limit its absorption,

> conditions that impair conversion of vitamin D into active metabolites

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolite

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolite>>, such as liver

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver>> or kidney disorders, or, rarely, by

> a number of hereditary disorders.

>

> Vitamin D requirements increase with age, while the ability of skin to

> convert 7-dehydrocholesterol to pre-vitamin D3 decreases.[17]

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#_note-7

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D#_note-7>> In addition the ability

> of the kidneys <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney>> to convert

> calcidiol to its active form also decreases with age, prompting the need

> for increased vitamin D supplementation in elderly individuals.

>

> This tells us it's helpful if we are young, because as we get older, the

> body becomes less efficient in converting UVB to vitamin D. I don't

> think we even know all the reasons why the conversion does not always

> work very well. My mother got out in the sun every day in the summer

> time - but her vit D levels were still deficient. She also takes

> medications too, which may be a factor.

>

> Some people feel that supplementation is safer - I have a red headed

> friend with melanoma who feels this way. She feels she now has melanoma

> because of younger days in the sun water skiing, and beach going.

>

> Unfortunately, the only way we could know whether we convert from sun ,

> or whether we have enough vit D levels, is with a vit D test. Most

> doctors will order the test if you ask for it. Otherwise, they only do

> it after you break bones from osteoporosis.

>

> Jim wrote:

>

> > Obviously, the amount of Vit D that you get from sunlight is directly

> > related to your location, the season, your skin color, and the amount

> > of clothing that you wear among other things. For some under some

> > conditions, sunlight will not possibly do it.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim,

What is this MMS of which you speak? My husband's friend has melanoma and I

would love to pass on this info to him.

Thanks in advance.

Re: acid/alkaline balance of the body <carol>

Hi Apricot:

Now that we have beaten Vitamin D to death, please, please tell your

friend about MMS for her melanoma. Jim Humble says that with a

comprehensive program, the melanoma will literally shrivel up and drop

out in 15 days leaving a cavity that will heal in a week. That turns a

life threatening problem almost a non-issue.

Regards, Jim