melatonin

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ok, I just can't help but comment on this one... What is so bad about

delaying puberty in my tall, handsome autistic son. lol. I have a friend

who's son is 14, classic autism. She just grins and says, " You have to him

a sense of humor! "

I do not look forward to those days!

-- Re: [ ] Re: Melatonin

HI All,

I am new to this list but I have some experience to share! Regarding

Melatonin: my son was on it for 6 years (six years of blissful sleep I

got!!!) before I heard current research has found it delays puberty. I

would

strongly suggest, not using it every day.

Just my two cents worth.

Looking forward to getting to know you all!

in Oregon

[Guest guest]

> I didn't know they made a SR version of Melatonin. Is it only in

pill form?

> Gavin doesn't eat, let alone swallow pills!! That is why we give the

> liquid.

>

> thanks!

> jenny

>

humm.... well, I ***think*** that for something to BE slow

release, it HAS to be a pill. I may be missing something,

but I think the " slow release " is due to something in the

pill or the coating or ????? If you squish the pill up

and mix it in liquid I am thinking it would no longer be

Slow Release. But there may be more to it?

If he goes to bed before you do, you could drip some

melatonin into his mouth every hour. That would be

" liquid slow release " ?

Moria

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Some of the time release tabs use cellulose (fiber) as a coating to slow the

release of the substance. In that case obviously it would have to be a tablet.

Regards,

moriamerri <moriam@...> wrote:

> I didn't know they made a SR version of Melatonin. Is it only in

pill form?

> Gavin doesn't eat, let alone swallow pills!! That is why we give the

> liquid.

>

> thanks!

> jenny

>

humm.... well, I ***think*** that for something to BE slow

release, it HAS to be a pill. I may be missing something,

but I think the " slow release " is due to something in the

pill or the coating or ????? If you squish the pill up

and mix it in liquid I am thinking it would no longer be

Slow Release. But there may be more to it?

If he goes to bed before you do, you could drip some

melatonin into his mouth every hour. That would be

" liquid slow release " ?

Moria

[Guest guest]

the lef time release is cellulose in a capsule and you can get a high

dose like 3mg and just tip a small quantity of the sweet tasting

grains out.

i think the melatonin is right through the cellulose grain.

obvious is not a word i would use

www.lef.org

> > I didn't know they made a SR version of Melatonin. Is it only in

> pill form?

> > Gavin doesn't eat, let alone swallow pills!! That is why we

give the

> > liquid.

> >

> > thanks!

> > jenny

> >

>

>

> humm.... well, I ***think*** that for something to BE slow

> release, it HAS to be a pill. I may be missing something,

> but I think the " slow release " is due to something in the

> pill or the coating or ????? If you squish the pill up

> and mix it in liquid I am thinking it would no longer be

> Slow Release. But there may be more to it?

>

> If he goes to bed before you do, you could drip some

> melatonin into his mouth every hour. That would be

> " liquid slow release " ?

>

> Moria

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I would be interested about your information about melatonin and

delayed puberty as well. Could you post the links to the list?

My DH does shift work and occasionally takes melatonin to help adjust

his sleep schedule. He says it helps him get to sleep earlier, but he

does have vivid dreams. He has heard this from other NT adults also.

He also says it makes him groggy in the morning if he takes it

several days in a row.

I have given it to my kids only occasionally. It does get them to

sleep earlier, but sometimes they wake up in the night. They also

seems irritable the next morning.

Kat

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--- In , " jatorforconnor " <jay@j...>

wrote:

> Our Pediatric Developmental Specialist (non-DAN) reccomended we give

> our son Melatonin in small quantities to help him sleep.

For many children, phenol intolerance and/or yeast issues cause sleep

problems

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

>> Currently he

> doesn't go to be until 11:30-1:30 (we have to rock him, he won't

fall

> asleep on his own), and same issues with a nap. If he doesn't take

> his nap until 4:00 p.m., we are up to 2-3 in the morning before we

can

> get him to sleep.

How old is he? If more than 3yo, consider reducing or even removing

the nap. If any of my kids fall asleep during the daytime, I let them

have only 10-15 minutes, or 20 if they are sick.

Dana

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phenols/salicylates definately cause huge sleep problems for my daughter. So

does yeast-candida-parasites. Fighting parasites has made a tremendous

difference in her sleep patterns

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On 4/26/03 at 3:33 PM danaatty wrote:

>--- In , " jatorforconnor " <jay@j...>

>wrote:

>> Our Pediatric Developmental Specialist (non-DAN) reccomended we give

>> our son Melatonin in small quantities to help him sleep.

>

>

>For many children, phenol intolerance and/or yeast issues cause sleep

>problems

>

>http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

>

>http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

>

>

>>> Currently he

>> doesn't go to be until 11:30-1:30 (we have to rock him, he won't

>fall

>> asleep on his own), and same issues with a nap. If he doesn't take

>> his nap until 4:00 p.m., we are up to 2-3 in the morning before we

>can

>> get him to sleep.

>

>

>How old is he? If more than 3yo, consider reducing or even removing

>the nap. If any of my kids fall asleep during the daytime, I let them

>have only 10-15 minutes, or 20 if they are sick.

>

>Dana

>

>

>

>

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>

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In a message dated 4/25/03 5:09:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jay@...

writes:

>

> We found a liquid version at GNC and tried it last night. The doctor

> reccomended .5 MG (about .2 ML) at first. Within the hour he did fall

> asleep on his own (half on the couch, half off). Has anyone had long

> term sucess or failure with this?

>

> My son is now 16 and has been on the melatonin for about 8 years or so.

Without it he will not go to sleep. He takes the reg melatonin, not timed

release. But the timed release helps those kids that wake up through the

nite. My son just has trouble to actually fall asleep, but once asleep, he

is out for the night. And he wakes up in a good mood. I strongly recommend

it, WE ALL NEED SLEEP

ac

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tryptophan, melatonin, cortisol, (tyrosine)from no fenol, b6 seem

related.

http://smart-drugs.net/ias-tryptophan-article.htm

bascially high cortisol depletes melatonin and tryptophan, but

tyrptophan and melatonin with tyrosine reduce cortisol.

no fenol may be underpinning why tryptophan is working so well(to the

point of making me overly sleepy........have to reduce a bit i think)

with me.

> added melatonin (3mg lef.org) nightly.

>

> initially, IF took it approx. 10 PM, it helped none.

> still stayed awake until 2-4AM before was able to sleep.

>

> then, started with taking it, when was tired to sleep (2-4AM) and

> slowly, took it back by 1/2 hr. each night.

> went to lay down then.

>

> have been now reaching the 12 midnight schedule for bedtime.

> but last night, took it at 10:30Pm and went to bed.

> woke up only at 12:30AM and 6:30AM to get up.

> slept through the night, and was able to shift going to bed to an

> earlier time.

> woke up with NO hangover effect, and refreshed.... well rested.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> bascially high cortisol depletes melatonin and tryptophan, but

> tyrptophan and melatonin with tyrosine reduce cortisol.

>

> no fenol may be underpinning why tryptophan is working so well(to

the

> point of making me overly sleepy........have to reduce a bit i

think)

> with me.

>

>

for me, sleep cycle disturbances are also linked to amount of sleep

acquired.

strange?

when slept 8 hrs (waking @ 7AM)

the following night couldnt sleep prior to 3AM

[Guest guest]

serotonin is short, you really need tryptophan as well.

>

> >

> > bascially high cortisol depletes melatonin and tryptophan, but

> > tyrptophan and melatonin with tyrosine reduce cortisol.

> >

> > no fenol may be underpinning why tryptophan is working so well(to

> the

> > point of making me overly sleepy........have to reduce a bit i

> think)

> > with me.

> >

> >

>

>

> for me, sleep cycle disturbances are also linked to amount of sleep

> acquired.

> strange?

> when slept 8 hrs (waking @ 7AM)

> the following night couldnt sleep prior to 3AM

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In a message dated 8/7/2003 1:48:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

CFRITTS@... writes:

> Our

> little guy is still waking up about 2:00 a.m. even with taking

> Melatonin. He usually gets about 3 mcgs, which makes him " fall out "

> initially, but then he's up in the middle of the night.

Dana, are you giving a Melatonin with magnesium in it too like the Melatonin

Plus from Kirkmans? It think this helps to keep them asleep.

Jo

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dana,

From what I understand melatonin helps to initially fall asleep but not to

stay asleep. Dr. Rimland once told me, if the child is waking in the middle

of the night to give him 1/2 a tablet more. This was about 7 years ago though

so I dont know if new research has proven this to be healthy.

Good luck

[Guest guest]

Hi Just wondering do you give 3mg and then 3mg time release???

Machaela has been taking clonidine and Id like to get her off..So Im

thinking of using Melatonin..

Thanks

>

> >I am looking for feedback as to why Melatonin may NOT work. Our

> >little guy is still waking up about 2:00 a.m. even with taking

> >Melatonin. He usually gets about 3 mcgs, which makes him " fall

out "

> >initially, but then he's up in the middle of the night. He's 3.5,

> >doesn't nap, and goes to bed about 9:00 p.m. What are some other

> >good alternatives? He also doesn't appear to have yeast at this

time.

> >

> >Thanks,

> >

> >Dana

> >

> >

> >

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> >

[Guest guest]

My son does this type of night waking when he is eating something

(food or supplement) that his body does not agree with...

[ ] melatonin

> I am looking for feedback as to why Melatonin may NOT work. Our

> little guy is still waking up about 2:00 a.m. even with taking

> Melatonin. He usually gets about 3 mcgs, which makes him " fall out "

> initially, but then he's up in the middle of the night. He's 3.5,

> doesn't nap, and goes to bed about 9:00 p.m. What are some other

> good alternatives? He also doesn't appear to have yeast at this time.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Dana

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

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In a message dated 8/7/03 10:56:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Waterkai@...

writes:

> ,

>

> From what I understand melatonin helps to initially fall asleep but not to

>

> stay asleep. Dr. Rimland once told me, if the child is waking in the middle

> of the night to give him 1/2 a tablet more. This was about 7 years ago

> though

> so I dont know if new research has proven this to be healthy.

> Good luck

>

If your child is waking up in the middle of the night, you are better off

giving him the timed release melatonin. If your child has difficulty fallen

asleep, but once asleep, does not get up, then give him the regular melatonin.

We have been giving melatonin for at least 10 years, and it is our life

saver. Bernie also told us about it (10 years) ago.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/7/03 10:54:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, JPiker@...

writes:

> Our

> >little guy is still waking up about 2:00 a.m. even with taking

> >Melatonin. He usually gets about 3 mcgs, which makes him " fall out "

> >initially, but then he's up in the middle of the night.

>

> Dana, are you giving a Melatonin with magnesium in it too like the Melatonin

>

> Plus from Kirkmans? It think this helps to keep them asleep.

>

> use the timed release melatonin

[Guest guest]

--- In , " englishturtle " <CFRITTS@e...>

wrote:

> I am looking for feedback as to why Melatonin may NOT work.

Your child may be eating a food/supplement that severely affects his

ability to sleep. My son had this problem even with No-Fenol enzyme.

Dana

[Guest guest]

You would give the regular 3 mg melatonin plus a time release melatonin

at bedtime.

englishturtle wrote:

>I am looking for feedback as to why Melatonin may NOT work. Our

>little guy is still waking up about 2:00 a.m. even with taking

>Melatonin. He usually gets about 3 mcgs, which makes him " fall out "

>initially, but then he's up in the middle of the night. He's 3.5,

>doesn't nap, and goes to bed about 9:00 p.m. What are some other

>good alternatives? He also doesn't appear to have yeast at this time.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Dana

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I've used melatonin for my ADHD children to aid with sleep. If you want more

info, please email me privately at KissmeKaate@...

~Karyn

[ ] melatonin

Has anyone had experience with using Melatonin for their child? My son has

been waking up at times and vocalizing a lot. Someone suggested I try

Melatonin to help him get back to sleep. Thanks- Lida mother to Max age 6

severe

apraxia and mild asd

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/10/2004 8:17:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,

alevin@... writes:

> you can use melatonin to see how leaky the gut is.......if it acts in

> about 5 minutes(non time release) then it has gone through the

> stomach wall, a sealed gut can take up to half an hour to work.

>

Interesting, . I give melatonin to n maybe 4 or 5 times a month --

and I was just noticing it seems to take longer to kick in.

Nell

[Guest guest]

I have a son who is three and wts. 42 lbs. We give him 1 mg every

night at the same time (if we are lucky). I have seen somewhere that

less is usually more and that you should give it at the same time

each night. Also, don't give it if they wake up in the middle of the

night as they say it resets their clocks with each dose.

HTH and Good Luck,

Dena

[Guest guest]

melatonin use should be kept to the minimuim that works because it

has a contaminant problem like tyrptophan.

its only because the amounts of melatonin used are very much smaller

that there has been no ems.

i take about 150-300 mcg of lef time release at bed.

you can use melatonin to see how leaky the gut is.......if it acts in

about 5 minutes(non time release) then it has gone through the

stomach wall, a sealed gut can take up to half an hour to work.

the natrol liquid is very good but has scd issues with the additives

and sweetener.

> Hi, can anyone advise me the dosage of melatonin to use for my 5

year

> old, 40lb son who is not sleeping properly at the moment. TIA.

Mandy

> (AUS)

[Guest guest]

Hi Mandy

In general, as little as you find works I use the 1mg KIrkman Melatonin

Plus capsules as my son doesn;t swallow pills. These are easy to empty out a

little and put the cap back together for another day. I use a full cap now when

chelating as its dual purpose - a very good antioxidant as well as helping

with the sleep IF a lack of Melatonin is the issue. You may find you can give it

for a few nights in a row, preferably at the same time each night and the body

clock resets itself and then he won;t need it for a while. This used to work

well on Sam for about 3 weeks or so and then he'd need it again for a few

days.

Different types work better for some than others. I recently started having

success taking it myself - when I took enough and took the Kirkman Plus - maybe

because that particular form has Magnesium in as well which is supposed to

calming. I'd be inclined to start with 1mg and work up or down from there

depending on the response, get him settled back into a routine and then see if I

could do with less. Good luck - its been a godsend to many

Mandi in UK

> Hi, can anyone advise me the dosage of melatonin to use for my 5 year

> old, 40lb son who is not sleeping properly at the moment. TIA. Mandy

> (AUS)

>

[Guest guest]

>

> you can use melatonin to see how leaky the gut is.......if it acts

in

> about 5 minutes(non time release) then it has gone through the

> stomach wall, a sealed gut can take up to half an hour to work.

Oh my gosh, now I can see why it worked so quickly on my daughter

before we started enzymes a long time ago. I couldn't figure out

why she went right to sleep after only about 15 minutes of taking a

little Melatonin. Now, it makes sense about the leaky gut thing you

brought up. Thanks . I wonder why Melatonin didn't work

well with my daughter after just a few days...I only got good

results if I used it just once or twice a week....of course, nothing

worked well with helping her go to sleep (not even prescription

medication). The only thing that helped were the Houston enzymes,

No-Fenol & AFP Peptizyde.

Gretchen