melatonin

[Guest guest]

I've taken melatonin on and off for years. The main thing I notice is that,

not only does it allow me to sleep better, but it really helps to ease my

morning stiffness. It seems to relax the muscles etc. Try the drops. That

way you can regulate the amount you take. I found that you don't need much

at all.

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In a message dated 10/26/00 4:50:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

_@... writes:

<< Who out there can give me a good name for Melatonin? Dr. Bradstreet

seemed to think the brand we were using may be the reason we were

getting increased bruxism (teeth grinding) at night.

Thanks - >>

:

What brand were you using, I'd like to avoid it since my kids already grind

their teeth.

thanks

tina

[Guest guest]

,

We've been using 1/2mg 'Source Naturals' melatonin without problems.

Which one are you using?

[ ] Melatonin

> Who out there can give me a good name for Melatonin? Dr. Bradstreet

> seemed to think the brand we were using may be the reason we were

> getting increased bruxism (teeth grinding) at night.

>

> Thanks -

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Nutri Biotics liquid melatonin with kava kava has always worked best for my

son

[ ] Melatonin

>Who out there can give me a good name for Melatonin? Dr. Bradstreet

>seemed to think the brand we were using may be the reason we were

>getting increased bruxism (teeth grinding) at night.

>

>Thanks -

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Since you're talking about teeth grinding, just wanted to give you some

information that Dave at Kirkmans posted. He said it is sometimes caused by a

deficiency in Manganese. We started adding Manganese supplements for my son

and his teeth grinding totally stopped.

Jo (South Carolina)

[Guest guest]

From: <_@...>

Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 4:48 PM

>Who out there can give me a good name for Melatonin? Dr. Bradstreet

seemed to think the brand we were using may be the reason we were

getting increased bruxism (teeth grinding) at night. Thanks -

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/

500mcg Melatonin (Item TL-1938)

They also sell Twinlab brand 3mg and others.

Bob Fisher

Kalamazoo, Michigan

" Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change

the world; it's the only thing that ever does " Margaret Mead

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In a message dated 10/26/00 4:50:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

_@... writes:

<< Who out there can give me a good name for Melatonin? Dr. Bradstreet

seemed to think the brand we were using may be the reason we were

getting increased bruxism (teeth grinding) at night.

Thanks - >>

Many parents have reported that teeth grinding ceased when the child was

given extra Vitamin B5 (Panthothene).

Bob Fisher

Kalamazoo, Michigan

" Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change

the world; it's the only thing that ever does " Margaret Mead

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In a message dated 11/17/00 12:58:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,

sjcsydney@... writes:

<< Dear Becky,

Whoah! Are you saying that other than increasing the Melatonin (what

was the original dose?) to 9mg, no changes were made to this little boy's

supplementation? That the Melatonin brought about more verbalization? Has

anyone else experienced this? My daughter's on a very low Melatonin dose

(1/2 mg per day).

>>

and Becky,

Over the summer of 1999, my son made huge gains. It was a very tough time as

we moved from CA to an apt in TN, new school that spring, then a new house,

then another new school. I started giving him melatonin to adjust to the new

time. I don't know if it was coincidence or not that he made these gains. I

expected regression with the move and all, then a very unstructured summer

without school. But it didn't happen.

Carol G

[Guest guest]

Dear Becky,

Whoah! Are you saying that other than increasing the Melatonin (what

was the original dose?) to 9mg, no changes were made to this little boy's

supplementation? That the Melatonin brought about more verbalization? Has

anyone else experienced this? My daughter's on a very low Melatonin dose

(1/2 mg per day).

Melatonin

>

> Hi all!

>

> I have a question about melatonin, also. A friend of mine was having

> difficulty with her son on prozac (insomnia), so her pediatrician

> recommended the melatonin up to 9 mg (mainstream doc I might add). Well

he

> weighs about 45 lbs.

>

> So, now the boy is talking MUCH more, can spell his name (not easy because

> it's 9 letters long) and he's counting to 30. Is this possible that it IS

> helping the detox his brain????? He was making small gains last year (now

> he's 6), but he's going by leaps and bounds. They just got back from

> Disneyworld and had a wonderful time (couldn't get him off the rides),

while

> the trip this summer was pure torture for them all.

>

> Also, how do you guys feel about the MT protein being missing discovery.

Of

> course, they say the MT protein helps detoxify the heavy metals. Is there

> possibly any connection with the melatonin???????? Maybe it's pushing up

> the glutathione as another post suggested???

>

> Becky

> Rockville MD

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was told to start out my son on 1 mg. then raise it to 3 mg. We just

started only two days ago, so I don't have any feedback yet.

[Guest guest]

May sound silly but the melatonin issue made me think, my husband has

been diagnosed with a sleep disorder and has learned alot about the

stages of sleep. The 3rd and 4th stage of sleep is when the bodies

natural healing takes place. We know that many of our children have

failed to have normal sleep patterns in the past and some still do. I

wonder if giving them melatonin enables them to get to the point of

3rd and 4th stage sleep and then their bodies have possibly the

ability to began the healing process. Could that possibly be why

Beckys freind child is doing so much better, and as she stated that

it may push up the glutathione. Maybe between the 2 this would also

help much. Does anyone have any input on such a large dose for such a

small child. Just wondering.

Leah

[Guest guest]

After Beverly posted about melatonin (months ago)I put my son on it because he was going bezerk after chemet. He did a complete turn around. Then we chelated again and "lost" him. It took 2 weeks of melatonin to bring him back again. We are no longer chelating, we are going to sit back and watch for a while. I cant risk losing him again.I'd rather have him the way he is then to regress back again to the way he was a year ago. Let me say that we have big time mercury issues.My son had a level of 11 for mercury with ref range 0-3 from Dr.Data. I'm a big believer in the Melatonin. It was after my sons response to melatonin that Bradstreet did research and added it to his protocol. This is one supplement I wouldnt miss giving. ) (just my 2 cents)

Kathi

Mom to Colten 3

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Kathy, Sorry to hear your son didn't respond well

to chelation. I was interested to hear, though, that

he does well with Melatonin. Our son is 10 and autistic. We have done 5 cycles of chelation -

3 days on and 4 days off. We started with

both DMSA and ALA. On one of the off days,

he had just taken his melatonin at 7:30 pm and we

discovered a homework assignment that needed to

be finished (a story). Well, to my surprise, Adam

did it without a single complaint/the handwriting was

just excellent/and he stayed with it for 1 hour without a peep! Wow! The melatonin actually must

have helped produce these reactions, because the

"off" days tend to be pretty full of anxiety or emotions. So, I agree with you. Melatonin does more than provide a sleep help. Now I wish it could serve as a homework help without putting him to sleep after 1 1/2 hours....

BTW: The chelation is doing my son great.

1. It has restored him memory in many instances -

he recalled events over 2 years ago and told me

about them. I was just astounded.

2. It has given him "an awakening". He has "found"

toys that he said "they were hidden" and began

playing with them, a lot. Pretend play, too. Brain

fog being lifted is what is happening.

3. His casual conversation is so much more normal. Right on target with his replies and much much more initiation.

Now I wish the "off days" would be better. He seems more anxious on these days....and the

happiness he had while on chelation slowly goes away. I am going to try some supplements for

anxiousness to see if I can help him with this.

Andy Cutler's book mentions: Glutamine, chromium picolinate, pregnenolone, taurine, borage oil, niacinamide, B-6 and a small amount of GABA -

but these were all used in adults with amalgam

toxicity - so I'm not sure what to do...

Anyone out there have any ideas? Aly

Aly

Re: [ ] Melatonin

After Beverly posted about melatonin (months ago)I put my son on it because he was going bezerk after chemet. He did a complete turn around. Then we chelated again and "lost" him. It took 2 weeks of melatonin to bring him back again. We are no longer chelating, we are going to sit back and watch for a while. I cant risk losing him again.I'd rather have him the way he is then to regress back again to the way he was a year ago. Let me say that we have big time mercury issues.My son had a level of 11 for mercury with ref range 0-3 from Dr.Data. I'm a big believer in the Melatonin. It was after my sons response to melatonin that Bradstreet did research and added it to his protocol. This is one supplement I wouldnt miss giving. ) (just my 2 cents) Kathi Mom to Colten 3

[Guest guest]

Crystal,

I noticed in Andy Cutler's book that he (an adult)

used a combination of slow release Melatonin and

regular melatonin. Perhaps you might investigate

the slow release? Maybe two pills would just be

too too much for a child. Apparently adults with

amalgam toxicity take a lot of melatonin to help them sleep. Aly

Aly

[ ] melatonin

Hi All,

I am interested in the melatonin issue but I am not sure how to implement it with my son. I know alot have had the same problem as me is that when I give it to him before bed. HE ALWAYS has about 4 hours really good sleep and then wakes up. Now right now he sleeps about 10 hours straight with the occasional snoring or occasional wake up and giggling and falling back to sleep. I really do not want him to wake up every night after four hours . Is there another way you all are implementing it?

Crystal

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Just a guess but I really feel that your son is a cnadidate for

going much slower than you did and i don't think you will notice the

regression as much. Cut your DMSA dose by half or quarter to start

and sloooowwwllyy increase it. The rebound negative effect will

probabky not be noticed.

Also, you may want to consider a reduced dosage at night during off

weeks to avoid the effects of rebound. Don't even think of stopping,

the mercury is the bad guy so you want ot get it out not stop ot see

what happens. I truly believe you were just loosening too much which

drove him " beserk " . Go Slow and observe, observe, observe but don't

stop. Good luck, KenG

> After Beverly posted about melatonin (months ago)I put my son on it

because

> he was going bezerk after chemet. He did a complete turn around.

Then we

> chelated again and " lost " him. It took 2 weeks of melatonin to

bring him back

> again. We are no longer chelating, we are going to sit back and

watch for a

> while. I cant risk losing him again.I'd rather have him the way he

is then to

> regress back again to the way he was a year ago. Let me say that we

have big

> time mercury issues.My son had a level of 11 for mercury with ref

range 0-3

> from Dr.Data. I'm a big believer in the Melatonin. It was after my

sons

> response to melatonin that Bradstreet did research and added it to

his

> protocol. This is one supplement I wouldnt miss giving. ) (just

my 2

> cents)

> Kathi

> Mom to Colten 3

[Guest guest]

Hi,

We have seen the same thing also. We see calmness in the morning, but

come afternoon and evening very agressive. is also 8 about 56

pounds. We tryed first with 1 1/2 mg and then another night with even

half of that. I know its good from what I've read but I'm, thinking

mabye we have to get farther into the process with other supplements

before his body will tolerate it. I'm not sure what I'll do yet.

Leah

[Guest guest]

My two cents (and that may be more than my advice is worth) is it's

important to remember that Melatonin is a hormone. When giving

Melatonin just like giving an SSRI which effects Seratonin levels or

a steroid, doses should always be increased gradually over time when

starting them, and decreased gradually when stopping them.

When we give Melatonin to our kids, especially in higher amounts,

their own production of Melatonin will decrease. If we stop the high

doses cold turkey, our kids may experience difficulty sleeping due to

in-sufficient production of Melatonin. So, it's safer to ramp-up and

down the Melatonin doses to allow their bodies to adjust more

easily. Ask you doctor for advice.

FWIW

Jeff

[Guest guest]

On the subject of melatonin and bad reactions, I have not needed to use it but have read that it is most effective when given 1/2 hr before bed and if it becomes less effective it is best to stop it for a while rather than increase the dose, I'll never remember where I read it but there is loads of info on the net. Maybe it was in "The Melatonin Miracle" a book I had from the library.

Hope this helps,

Jon .

[Guest guest]

When melatonin was prescribed for my daughter by a doctor of osteopathy, he

made no mention about it's sleep-inducing properties. He was more concerned

about it's ability to protect her brain during chelation.

[ ] Melatonin

> Andy or Anyone:

>

> I've been reading the DAN Paper (1.5). It suggests giving Melatonin at

> bedtime 3 days prior and during chelation and a few days after.

>

> Do you always need to give melatonin? Should I use it only if my son has

> trouble sleeping due to chelation?

>

> In Christ's love and mine...Jen : )

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Besides being a sleeping aid, melatonin is a powerful antioxidant

that has shown an ability to protect the mitochondria from oxidative

damage. That said, there is no evidence that is useful in mercury

detoxification other than to help with sleeping problems. There are a

lot of interesting potential dvantages, but nobody (to the best of my

knowledge) has shown that it makes any significant impact.

Bottom line: use it if it helps, lose it if it doesn't.

Jim Laidler

> Andy or Anyone:

>

> I've been reading the DAN Paper (1.5). It suggests giving

Melatonin at

> bedtime 3 days prior and during chelation and a few days after.

>

> Do you always need to give melatonin? Should I use it only if my

son has

> trouble sleeping due to chelation?

>

> In Christ's love and mine...Jen : )

[Guest guest]

The only thing I have to add is that melatonin seems to be unusual in

that the body's own production is not reduced by giving more of it as

a supplement, so you can start and stop it at will.

Andy

> Besides being a sleeping aid, melatonin is a powerful antioxidant

> that has shown an ability to protect the mitochondria from oxidative

> damage. That said, there is no evidence that is useful in mercury

> detoxification other than to help with sleeping problems. There are

a

> lot of interesting potential dvantages, but nobody (to the best of

my

> knowledge) has shown that it makes any significant impact.

>

> Bottom line: use it if it helps, lose it if it doesn't.

>

> Jim Laidler

>

> --- In @y..., " L. Thorne " <jthorne@j...>

wrote:

> > Andy or Anyone:

> >

> > I've been reading the DAN Paper (1.5). It suggests giving

> Melatonin at

> > bedtime 3 days prior and during chelation and a few days after.

> >

> > Do you always need to give melatonin? Should I use it only if my

> son has

> > trouble sleeping due to chelation?

> >

> > In Christ's love and mine...Je

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/19/01 12:47:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

mjsneath@... writes:

<< My question is: Is the melatonin really necessary? If so, can I give

it in the morning so it won't affect dreams? My son sleeps fine at

night without it..

>>

:

No and no. I believe you can effectively chelate without using melatonin,

especially if your child is already a good sleeper. And never give a child

melatonin in the morning or during the day unless you are trying to cross

several time zones and need to completely change his/her sleep cycle.

[Guest guest]

Anne - I use melatonin (1 mg) for my 5 year old, 50 lb daughter. I do have

some reservations about it, since it is a hormone and messes with the brain's

seratonin levels. It makes her fall asleep like a powerful drug, usually

within 1/2 hour, which also worries me a little. I use it sparingly (when I'm

reallly exhausted). I know that autistic adults report that melatonin gives

them bad nightmares. Also, I find that my daughter wakes up at 3:00 a.m.

following melatonin sometimes, maybe from nightmares. Having said that, it

works well, but be cautious. The more you use it the less effective it

becomes.

[Guest guest]

--Here is part of what the new DAN consensus paper states:

One study has found that neurons are protected from mercury damage by

hormonal levels of melatonin. Melatonin is also concentrated in the

mitochondria and protects them from oxidative damage.

Aside from its anti-oxidant properties, melatonin helps to regulate

the sleep/wake cycle, which is often seriously deranged in autistic

children. Its long-term use in institutionalized children has

established its safety. Doses of up to 0.1 mg/kg at bedtime should be

adequate to help with sleep disturbances. Some clinicians have noted

that smaller doses of melatonin (0.3mg in adults) are just as

effective for sleep and may cause fewer problems with nightmares

and/or night terrors. A sustained release form of melatonin is

currently under development and should help with those children who

awaken four to six hours after the dose of melatonin.

Hope this helps.

Ann

- In @y..., Annemfnba@a... wrote:

> Can anyone tell me what they know about Melatonin and how safe it

is. Also

> what dosages are safe.

>

> Thanks

> Anne

>

>

>

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> > Can anyone tell me what they know about Melatonin and how safe it

> is. Also

> > what dosages are safe.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Anne

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been