Guest guest Report post Posted September 24, 2005 elizabeth savage wrote: > All I will say is that was 4 years ago when my husbands company was > sold and he lost his job and insurance . I was in my 16th week of > treatment and my white blood cell count droped . My husband has cashed > in his 401k retirement to pay rent . They would have wanted us to pay > for meds instead of rent , well I had 7 children living with me at the > time . My circumstances today are irrelevant . The rest of your post > was off topic so dont go there ........the subject is closed Thankfully, I got word yesterday that the Louisiana State Insurance Commissioner has mandated that the insurance for anyone in an effected area must be honored until Aug. 2006, at that time...even if it's not paid. In order to keep the insurance after that, all premiums must be brought up to date. So I'm good for now, and just banking the money I would normally pay for insurance.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 24, 2005 I hadnt even thought about how Katrina was going to effect those on treatment in the effected areas . I am so glad that your insurance for now is going to not be canceled . Take care __________________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 25, 2005 My second semester nursing instructor told me I wouldn't be a good nurse (I was 19)....by the time I got to 4th semester, I was sure I would end up doing something awful to some poor patient....and I told my 4th semester instructor how scared I was...I was scared of giving the wrong medication, hitting the bone when I gave an injection, missing some important clue that would end up harming my patient....I was scared of EVERYTHING, I told her. God bless her....she said, " So you're scared....good! because that will make you be more careful about everything. It is the ones that think they know it all that really scare me " . She was right, of course. I double checked everything, if in doubt called the docs...and if I didn't know something I admitted it, then looked for the answer....as a matter of fact, I'm still doing that...LOL So I want YOU to know that Jackie...being scared isn't bad....and not knowing everything makes us look for the answers.....and NOBODY can tell you how good or bad you'll be. Whenever I see my second semester instructor, I go and tell her I turned out to be a pretty good nurse....LOL....Darn it! I forgot to tell her about the Nurseweek award.....LOL Silvia Well I know one thing for sure I'm sure the > > people of Texas will behave better than the ones in > > New Orleans did . > > hey > > > > > > get real chefboy and others. Does it feel better > > now to be the > > 'victims' of the tragedy? How dare 'those > > people' be upset at > > what's happened to them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our > > conversations. We hope you have found the support > > you need with us. > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy > > access to our group, just click the link-- > > Hepatitis C/ > > > > Happy Posting > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 25, 2005 Listen Ric....don't tell anybody I asked this because they'll probably think I'm stupid but how do you " set your own e-mail program to 'don't copy the original message in replys " . I thought it was done manually by highlighting the message and hitting reply. Hey! I'm a nurse. I'm lucky I casn use the computer at all...LOL Silvia > > Good Post Jane. And I do know that some people, especially > outside the US, have to pay for every word used in their e-mail > program or minutes. and some only get 30 minutes in the library. > so, please, if you can, set your own e-mail program to 'don't > copy the original message in replys' You can just copy and paste > the part of the message you want to answer. That saves so much > time, please? Also remember to keep the subject line fairly > close and use the OT if it's completely off the wall. These are > common courtesy's. ric Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 25, 2005 JoEllen....may I ask you a question? During treatment for a Black lady (they have a very low success rate with treatment), since we needed to use whatever would increase her chances of success, we made the decision to give her hormone replacement since she's post- menopausal. She is now done with her treatment (she cleared!) and would like to stop the Premarin....but doesn't want the hot flashes....LOL... I said I would look into natural hormones, risk, etc. I would appreciate your advice. Thanks. Silvia > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, > >this has upset me more than anything has in the past, > >I have struggled so hard to get good grades, I have to > >re read things a million times and sometimes I still > >cant remember what I read,, so I dont know,, maybe he > >is right, I will never make a good doc, Who knows,, > >anyway, have a good time,, > >I love you too > >jax > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER let someone > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. > >josie > > > > > > > >---------- > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > www.medicinemom.com > ******************************************** > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of JoEllen > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended > only for the named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to you in error, > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > immediately from your computer. Any other use, retention,dissemination, > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is > strictly forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 25, 2005 Sylvia, you have AOL and thats a complete mystery to me. all I can tell you is GET RID OF IT!.. I hate aol. can you tell?....r Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 25, 2005 At 04:58 PM 9/25/2005, you wrote: >JoEllen....may I ask you a question? During treatment for a Black lady >(they have a very low success rate with treatment), since we needed >to use whatever would increase her chances of success, we made the >decision to give her hormone replacement since she's post- >menopausal. She is now done with her treatment (she cleared!) and >would like to stop the Premarin....but doesn't want the hot >flashes....LOL... > >I said I would look into natural hormones, risk, etc. I would >appreciate your advice. Thanks. >Silvia > Hi Silvia We treat patients for menopausal sx all the time using acupuncture itself or combined with herbs. THere are some very commonly used formulas that Clear heat and nourish the Kidney.In this context, the Kidney system, not just the viscera itself as in western medicine but - In Chinese Medicine " Kidney " pertains to aging, growth, reproduction. Often someone complaining of sx like night sweats, thirst, irritability, will be given a standard formula depending on the pattern of sx they present. This can vary sa menopuase can be very involved for some patients yet others breeze through it barely noticing it. So for example someone with alot of internal heat, night sweats, etc. will be given a different rx for example Zhi Bai Di Huang Wan than someone whose symptoms are different like for example insomnia, difficulty concentrating, poor memory- might be given somethign like An Shen Bu Xin Wan which means roughly Strengthen the Heart formula. If this patient made it through the Hep tx- the rest - managing her menopausal sx should be a piece of cake! I would encourage her to see a local acupuncturist/herbalist. for a local referral www.nccaom.org The above formulas are commonly used with success but she really should get someone local to treat and prescribe specifically for her. Often patients with HepC who are taking the pharmaceutical treatment dont want to bother with herbs too. Which I can understand sometimes. These types of herbs would have to be taken consistently or its not worth taking at all. I know I am biased because I love acupuncture and do indeed think it is the coolest thing in the world - but I still strongly suggest to anyone with hep (or menopause for that matter) to consider trying acupuncture because it really can do wonders to help manage the sx. Sorry if my replies seem so general but TCM (traditional Chinese MEd) views health and illness differently. If you sent me 12 patients with HEP C, they could possibly all have a different diagnosis - with some overlap in TCM terms. So they might all be given different acupuncture points and different herbs. Hope this helps somewhat and doesnt confuse everyone Peace Josie I > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, > > >this has upset me more than anything has in the past, > > >I have struggled so hard to get good grades, I have to > > >re read things a million times and sometimes I still > > >cant remember what I read,, so I dont know,, maybe he > > >is right, I will never make a good doc, Who knows,, > > >anyway, have a good time,, > > >I love you too > > >jax > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER let >someone > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. > > >josie > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > www.medicinemom.com > > ******************************************** > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of >JoEllen > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended > > only for the named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to you >in error, > > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > > immediately from your computer. Any other use, >retention,dissemination, > > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is > > strictly forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 Liz....where have you been? We've been making sure nobody run out of meds. Same with people who get their prescriptions from mail in pharmacies in Lousiana. The drug companies were very generous and gave us whatever we needed. Getting them there was the difficult part. Sivia > > I hadnt even thought about how Katrina was going to effect those on treatment in the effected areas . I am so glad that your insurance for now is going to not be canceled . Take care > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 Is msn better? Silvia > Sylvia, you have AOL and thats a complete mystery to me. all I > can tell you is GET RID OF IT!.. I hate aol. can you tell?....r Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 Thank you....I have copied your response and forwarded it to her. You're right....this lady is amazing. One of the lucky ones that breezed through treatment. I'm ashamed to say that I know very little about herbal products. I probably know more about the ones that can be dangerous/ I am always afraid of herbs being contaminated or having fungal growth or something like that.....or even worse, interfering with the treatment meds. One of the boys on this site....I think it's (still can't keep names straight).....who has anemia and fatigue and asked about the root. I saw another post where he asked about gingseng......so I did a little research and found that high doses can cause anxiety, insomnia, etc. and it can be contaminated with small amounts of lead or have fungal growth on the roots. That's enough for me to tell him to forget it. Plus I think it may cause people to become a little " hyper " but that is not going to improve the hemoglobin. Since I know will just look for something else, I thought I'd find him something safe that may actually raise the hemoglobin....and after careful consideration, my choice would have to be.....Juzen-Taiho-To...one of the Kampo products which contains bone marrow-stimulating compounds. What do you think? Silvia > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, > > > >this has upset me more than anything has in the past, > > > >I have struggled so hard to get good grades, I have to > > > >re read things a million times and sometimes I still > > > >cant remember what I read,, so I dont know,, maybe he > > > >is right, I will never make a good doc, Who knows,, > > > >anyway, have a good time,, > > > >I love you too > > > >jax > > > > > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER let > >someone > > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. > > > >josie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > > www.medicinemom.com > > > ******************************************** > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of > >JoEllen > > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended > > > only for the named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to you > >in error, > > > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > > > immediately from your computer. Any other use, > >retention,dissemination, > > > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is > > > strictly forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 One of the natural hormone replacements is black cohosh , tell her to stay away from it . It is hepatatoxic . " JoEllen Donahue Hermes L.Ac. " <medicinemom@...> wrote:At 04:58 PM 9/25/2005, you wrote: >JoEllen....may I ask you a question? During treatment for a Black lady >(they have a very low success rate with treatment), since we needed >to use whatever would increase her chances of success, we made the >decision to give her hormone replacement since she's post- >menopausal. She is now done with her treatment (she cleared!) and >would like to stop the Premarin....but doesn't want the hot >flashes....LOL... > >I said I would look into natural hormones, risk, etc. I would >appreciate your advice. Thanks. >Silvia > Hi Silvia We treat patients for menopausal sx all the time using acupuncture itself or combined with herbs. THere are some very commonly used formulas that Clear heat and nourish the Kidney.In this context, the Kidney system, not just the viscera itself as in western medicine but - In Chinese Medicine " Kidney " pertains to aging, growth, reproduction. Often someone complaining of sx like night sweats, thirst, irritability, will be given a standard formula depending on the pattern of sx they present. This can vary sa menopuase can be very involved for some patients yet others breeze through it barely noticing it. So for example someone with alot of internal heat, night sweats, etc. will be given a different rx for example Zhi Bai Di Huang Wan than someone whose symptoms are different like for example insomnia, difficulty concentrating, poor memory- might be given somethign like An Shen Bu Xin Wan which means roughly Strengthen the Heart formula. If this patient made it through the Hep tx- the rest - managing her menopausal sx should be a piece of cake! I would encourage her to see a local acupuncturist/herbalist. for a local referral www.nccaom.org The above formulas are commonly used with success but she really should get someone local to treat and prescribe specifically for her. Often patients with HepC who are taking the pharmaceutical treatment dont want to bother with herbs too. Which I can understand sometimes. These types of herbs would have to be taken consistently or its not worth taking at all. I know I am biased because I love acupuncture and do indeed think it is the coolest thing in the world - but I still strongly suggest to anyone with hep (or menopause for that matter) to consider trying acupuncture because it really can do wonders to help manage the sx. Sorry if my replies seem so general but TCM (traditional Chinese MEd) views health and illness differently. If you sent me 12 patients with HEP C, they could possibly all have a different diagnosis - with some overlap in TCM terms. So they might all be given different acupuncture points and different herbs. Hope this helps somewhat and doesnt confuse everyone Peace Josie I > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, > > >this has upset me more than anything has in the past, > > >I have struggled so hard to get good grades, I have to > > >re read things a million times and sometimes I still > > >cant remember what I read,, so I dont know,, maybe he > > >is right, I will never make a good doc, Who knows,, > > >anyway, have a good time,, > > >I love you too > > >jax > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER let >someone > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. > > >josie > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > www.medicinemom.com > > ******************************************** > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of >JoEllen > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended > > only for the named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to you >in error, > > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > > immediately from your computer. Any other use, >retention,dissemination, > > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is > > strictly forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 We left at 9pm last thursday for the airport and landed in Madrid at 4am Saturday morning .I was offline traveling ....I have access to internet here in my hotel though . Thank goodness or I would be bored to tears ,rofl . I am so glad your helping them out with meds , that is so awesome . Did you hook up with Jerry's group getting stuff into the effected areas ? silvianursey <Bhprice425@...> wrote: Liz....where have you been? We've been making sure nobody run out of meds. Same with people who get their prescriptions from mail in pharmacies in Lousiana. The drug companies were very generous and gave us whatever we needed. Getting them there was the difficult part. Sivia > > I hadnt even thought about how Katrina was going to effect those on treatment in the effected areas . I am so glad that your insurance for now is going to not be canceled . Take care > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 Silvia , there may be some info on herbal stuff at Seeker's , I know I have lots posted on the bad but there is also good stuff in there . Maybe Jackie will know silvianursey <Bhprice425@...> wrote: Thank you....I have copied your response and forwarded it to her. You're right....this lady is amazing. One of the lucky ones that breezed through treatment. I'm ashamed to say that I know very little about herbal products. I probably know more about the ones that can be dangerous/ I am always afraid of herbs being contaminated or having fungal growth or something like that.....or even worse, interfering with the treatment meds. One of the boys on this site....I think it's (still can't keep names straight).....who has anemia and fatigue and asked about the root. I saw another post where he asked about gingseng......so I did a little research and found that high doses can cause anxiety, insomnia, etc. and it can be contaminated with small amounts of lead or have fungal growth on the roots. That's enough for me to tell him to forget it. Plus I think it may cause people to become a little " hyper " but that is not going to improve the hemoglobin. Since I know will just look for something else, I thought I'd find him something safe that may actually raise the hemoglobin....and after careful consideration, my choice would have to be.....Juzen-Taiho-To...one of the Kampo products which contains bone marrow-stimulating compounds. What do you think? Silvia > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, > > > >this has upset me more than anything has in the past, > > > >I have struggled so hard to get good grades, I have to > > > >re read things a million times and sometimes I still > > > >cant remember what I read,, so I dont know,, maybe he > > > >is right, I will never make a good doc, Who knows,, > > > >anyway, have a good time,, > > > >I love you too > > > >jax > > > > > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER let > >someone > > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. > > > >josie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > > www.medicinemom.com > > > ******************************************** > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of > >JoEllen > > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended > > > only for the named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to you > >in error, > > > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > > > immediately from your computer. Any other use, > >retention,dissemination, > > > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is > > > strictly forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 Can you please cite some references regarding the hepatotoxicity of Black Cohosh? Sally Re: Re: hey One of the natural hormone replacements is black cohosh , tell her to stay away from it . It is hepatatoxic . " JoEllen Donahue Hermes L.Ac. " <medicinemom@...> wrote:At 04:58 PM 9/25/2005, you wrote: >JoEllen....may I ask you a question? During treatment for a Black lady >(they have a very low success rate with treatment), since we needed to >use whatever would increase her chances of success, we made the >decision to give her hormone replacement since she's post- menopausal. >She is now done with her treatment (she cleared!) and would like to >stop the Premarin....but doesn't want the hot flashes....LOL... > >I said I would look into natural hormones, risk, etc. I would >appreciate your advice. Thanks. Silvia > Hi Silvia We treat patients for menopausal sx all the time using acupuncture itself or combined with herbs. THere are some very commonly used formulas that Clear heat and nourish the Kidney.In this context, the Kidney system, not just the viscera itself as in western medicine but - In Chinese Medicine " Kidney " pertains to aging, growth, reproduction. Often someone complaining of sx like night sweats, thirst, irritability, will be given a standard formula depending on the pattern of sx they present. This can vary sa menopuase can be very involved for some patients yet others breeze through it barely noticing it. So for example someone with alot of internal heat, night sweats, etc. will be given a different rx for example Zhi Bai Di Huang Wan than someone whose symptoms are different like for example insomnia, difficulty concentrating, poor memory- might be given somethign like An Shen Bu Xin Wan which means roughly Strengthen the Heart formula. If this patient made it through the Hep tx- the rest - managing her menopausal sx should be a piece of cake! I would encourage her to see a local acupuncturist/herbalist. for a local referral www.nccaom.org The above formulas are commonly used with success but she really should get someone local to treat and prescribe specifically for her. Often patients with HepC who are taking the pharmaceutical treatment dont want to bother with herbs too. Which I can understand sometimes. These types of herbs would have to be taken consistently or its not worth taking at all. I know I am biased because I love acupuncture and do indeed think it is the coolest thing in the world - but I still strongly suggest to anyone with hep (or menopause for that matter) to consider trying acupuncture because it really can do wonders to help manage the sx. Sorry if my replies seem so general but TCM (traditional Chinese MEd) views health and illness differently. If you sent me 12 patients with HEP C, they could possibly all have a different diagnosis - with some overlap in TCM terms. So they might all be given different acupuncture points and different herbs. Hope this helps somewhat and doesnt confuse everyone Peace Josie I > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, > > >this has upset me more than anything has in the past, > > >I have struggled so hard to get good grades, I have to > > >re read things a million times and sometimes I still > > >cant remember what I read,, so I dont know,, maybe he > > >is right, I will never make a good doc, Who knows,, anyway, have a > > >good time,, I love you too > > >jax > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER let >someone > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. > > >josie > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > www.medicinemom.com > > ******************************************** > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of >JoEllen > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended > > only for the named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to you >in error, > > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > > immediately from your computer. Any other use, >retention,dissemination, > > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is > > strictly forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 Dangers of Black Cohosh As HRT Popular Herb Linked to Liver Disease By Charlene Laino WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD on Friday, October 17, 2003 Oct. 17, 2003 (BALTIMORE) -- Black cohosh, an herbal remedy gaining popularity as a panacea for the hot flashes, mood swings, and other symptoms of menopause, can cause the body's immune system to launch an attack on the liver, doctors warn. Stanley M. Cohen, MD, assistant professor of medicine at the University of Chicago, tells WebMD that he and colleagues have diagnosed what they believe is the first case of autoimmune hepatitis caused by the use of black cohosh. A progressive inflammation of the liver, caused by the body's immune system attack on liver cells --autoimmune hepatitis can cause people to become so tired that even crossing the room is a chore. Some patients complain of abdominal discomfort, others of achy joints and itching. The skin may become yellow, and the liver can become enlarged. Without proper treatment, this serious illness progresses and most people eventually die. The disease is thought to have some genetic link, with women accounting for as many as 70% of the patients. Fortunately, with prompt diagnosis and therapy, most people, including his patients, recover, Cohen says. " If you're taking black cohosh, ask your doctor for liver function tests, " he says. His patient had been taking the herb for only a few weeks when symptoms developed. " Black cohosh has the potential for serious side effects, " Cohen says. A search of the medical literature revealed five reports of other liver problems associated with the use of black cohosh, he says. Eamonn Quigley, MD, of the department of medicine at Cork University Hospital in Cork, Ireland, says that several studies show high use of herbal products among patients with liver disease. " Many [people] have made the assumption that herbal remedies are innocuous, but we now know they are not, " he says. The doctors spoke with WebMD at the 68th Annual Scientific Meeting of the American College of Gastroenterology this week. Dr. Cohen says that the use of black cohosh has increased since last year, when the large Women's Health Initiative study demonstrated that use of estrogen was associated with an increased risk of breast cancer and heart problems. That led the nation's top doctors to conclude that for many patients, the benefits of hormone replacement therapy don't outweigh the risks. " Since then, women have been looking for other products that can relieve menopausal symptoms, " Dr. Cohen said, " and one of the most popular is black cohosh, " known scientifically as Actea racemosa. Ulbricht, PharmD, RPh, founder and editor of the Natural Standard Research Collaboration, which collects data on complementary therapies, says several studies have reported black cohosh to improve menopausal symptoms, including hot flashes, mood disturbances, palpitations, and vaginal dryness, for up to six months. " But although these initial studies are suggestive, they have been few in number and have universally suffered from weaknesses, " says Dr. Ulbricht, who is also a senior attending pharmacist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. Also, there have been no studies looking at whether the herb is safe and effective over the long-term, she says. Dr. Cohen says his team came to the conclusion that their patient, a 57-year-old woman, likely suffered from black cohosh-induced autoimmune hepatitis after exhaustive examination. The woman, who came in complaining of increasing fatigue and lethargy over the past two weeks, had recently stopped hormone replacement therapy at the advice of her primary physician. She started taking black cohosh three weeks prior to feeling ill, he says. Liver function tests and a liver biopsy revealed abnormalities that are consistent with a diagnosis of drug-induced autoimmune hepatitis, Dr. Cohen says. The woman was told to stop taking the herb and was treated with prescribed steroids. She felt completely better just two weeks later, and liver function tests were back to normal in about nine weeks. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- SOURCES: 68th Annual Scientific Meeting of the American College of Gastroenterology, Baltimore, Oct. 12-15, 2003.Stanley M. Cohen, MD, assistant professor, medicine, University of Chicago. Eamonn Quigley, MD, department of medicine, Cork University Hospital, Cork, Ireland. Ulbricht, PharmD, RPh, senior attending pharmacist, Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston; founder, editor,Natural Standard Research Collaboration. > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, > > > >this has upset me more than anything has in the past, > > > >I have struggled so hard to get good grades, I have to > > > >re read things a million times and sometimes I still > > > >cant remember what I read,, so I dont know,, maybe he > > > >is right, I will never make a good doc, Who knows,, anyway, have a > > > >good time,, I love you too > > > >jax > > > > > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER let > >someone > > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. > > > >josie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > > www.medicinemom.com > > > ******************************************** > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of > >JoEllen > > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended > > > only for the named recipient(s) above. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 At 02:01 AM 9/26/2005, you wrote: >Thank you....I have copied your response and forwarded it to her. >You're right....this lady is amazing. One of the lucky ones that >breezed through treatment. > >I'm ashamed to say that I know very little about herbal products. I >probably know more about the ones that can be dangerous/ I am always >afraid of herbs being contaminated or having fungal growth or >something like that.....or even worse, interfering with the treatment >meds. Be sure to use herbal products from companies that have their products rated GMP ( good manufacturing process) follow more strict guidelines with regard to safety. They are carefully tested for trace elements etc >One of the boys on this site....I think it's (still can't keep >names straight).....who has anemia and fatigue and asked about the > root. I saw another post where he asked about >gingseng......so I did a little research and found that high doses >can cause anxiety, insomnia, etc. and it can be contaminated with >small amounts of lead or have fungal growth on the roots. That's >enough for me to tell him to forget it. Plus I think it may cause >people to become a little " hyper " but that is not going to improve >the hemoglobin. Since I know will just look for something >else, I thought I'd find him something safe that may actually raise >the hemoglobin....and after careful consideration, my choice would >have to be.....Juzen-Taiho-To...one of the Kampo products which >contains bone marrow-stimulating compounds. What do you think? >Silvia that is also known as Shi Chuan da Bu Yin - great yin tonic. Great formula in many cases, however it is impossible to diagnose & treat over the internet- so I would still suggest that he see a local herbalist who can determine which herbs would best help treat according to his individual pattern of disharmony. > > > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, > > > > >this has upset me more than anything has in the past, > > > > >I have struggled so hard to get good grades, I have to > > > > >re read things a million times and sometimes I still > > > > >cant remember what I read,, so I dont know,, maybe he > > > > >is right, I will never make a good doc, Who knows,, > > > > >anyway, have a good time,, > > > > >I love you too > > > > >jax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER >let > > >someone > > > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. > > > > >josie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > > > www.medicinemom.com > > > > ******************************************** > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property >of > > >JoEllen > > > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended > > > > only for the named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to >you > > >in error, > > > > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > > > > immediately from your computer. Any other use, > > >retention,dissemination, > > > > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is > > > > strictly forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 Gimme a couple of hrs to go through my resources . I am in Spain right now so have a little patience . Sally Hines <shines@...> wrote:Can you please cite some references regarding the hepatotoxicity of Black Cohosh? Sally Re: Re: hey One of the natural hormone replacements is black cohosh , tell her to stay away from it . It is hepatatoxic . " JoEllen Donahue Hermes L.Ac. " <medicinemom@...> wrote:At 04:58 PM 9/25/2005, you wrote: >JoEllen....may I ask you a question? During treatment for a Black lady >(they have a very low success rate with treatment), since we needed to >use whatever would increase her chances of success, we made the >decision to give her hormone replacement since she's post- menopausal. >She is now done with her treatment (she cleared!) and would like to >stop the Premarin....but doesn't want the hot flashes....LOL... > >I said I would look into natural hormones, risk, etc. I would >appreciate your advice. Thanks. Silvia > Hi Silvia We treat patients for menopausal sx all the time using acupuncture itself or combined with herbs. THere are some very commonly used formulas that Clear heat and nourish the Kidney.In this context, the Kidney system, not just the viscera itself as in western medicine but - In Chinese Medicine " Kidney " pertains to aging, growth, reproduction. Often someone complaining of sx like night sweats, thirst, irritability, will be given a standard formula depending on the pattern of sx they present. This can vary sa menopuase can be very involved for some patients yet others breeze through it barely noticing it. So for example someone with alot of internal heat, night sweats, etc. will be given a different rx for example Zhi Bai Di Huang Wan than someone whose symptoms are different like for example insomnia, difficulty concentrating, poor memory- might be given somethign like An Shen Bu Xin Wan which means roughly Strengthen the Heart formula. If this patient made it through the Hep tx- the rest - managing her menopausal sx should be a piece of cake! I would encourage her to see a local acupuncturist/herbalist. for a local referral www.nccaom.org The above formulas are commonly used with success but she really should get someone local to treat and prescribe specifically for her. Often patients with HepC who are taking the pharmaceutical treatment dont want to bother with herbs too. Which I can understand sometimes. These types of herbs would have to be taken consistently or its not worth taking at all. I know I am biased because I love acupuncture and do indeed think it is the coolest thing in the world - but I still strongly suggest to anyone with hep (or menopause for that matter) to consider trying acupuncture because it really can do wonders to help manage the sx. Sorry if my replies seem so general but TCM (traditional Chinese MEd) views health and illness differently. If you sent me 12 patients with HEP C, they could possibly all have a different diagnosis - with some overlap in TCM terms. So they might all be given different acupuncture points and different herbs. Hope this helps somewhat and doesnt confuse everyone Peace Josie I > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, > > >this has upset me more than anything has in the past, > > >I have struggled so hard to get good grades, I have to > > >re read things a million times and sometimes I still > > >cant remember what I read,, so I dont know,, maybe he > > >is right, I will never make a good doc, Who knows,, anyway, have a > > >good time,, I love you too > > >jax > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER let >someone > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. > > >josie > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > www.medicinemom.com > > ******************************************** > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of >JoEllen > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended > > only for the named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to you >in error, > > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > > immediately from your computer. Any other use, >retention,dissemination, > > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is > > strictly forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 Thanks Liz. Silvia > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, > > > >this has upset me more than anything has in the past, > > > >I have struggled so hard to get good grades, I have to > > > >re read things a million times and sometimes I still > > > >cant remember what I read,, so I dont know,, maybe he > > > >is right, I will never make a good doc, Who knows,, > > > >anyway, have a good time,, > > > >I love you too > > > >jax > > > > > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER let > >someone > > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. > > > >josie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > > www.medicinemom.com > > > ******************************************** > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of > >JoEllen > > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended > > > only for the named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to you > >in error, > > > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > > > immediately from your computer. Any other use, > >retention,dissemination, > > > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is > > > strictly forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/177_08_211002/whi10119_fm.html http://www.ahcpub.com/hot_topics/?htid=1 & httid=1634 http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_250/ai_n6116538 > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, > > > >this has upset me more than anything has in the past, > > > >I have struggled so hard to get good grades, I have to > > > >re read things a million times and sometimes I still > > > >cant remember what I read,, so I dont know,, maybe he > > > >is right, I will never make a good doc, Who knows,, anyway, have a > > > >good time,, I love you too > > > >jax > > > > > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER let > >someone > > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. > > > >josie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > > www.medicinemom.com > > > ******************************************** > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of > >JoEllen > > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended > > > only for the named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to you > >in error, > > > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > > > immediately from your computer. Any other use, > >retention,dissemination, > > > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is > > > strictly forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 Here are just a few of the sites that have information on the damage black cohosh can cuase on the liver . Just click on any and type in the search box on the site to get to the information you are looking for . Except for the last link which should take you directly there . www.webmd.com www.medscape.com http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/blackcohosh.html Sally Hines <shines@...> wrote: Can you please cite some references regarding the hepatotoxicity of Black Cohosh? Sally Re: Re: hey One of the natural hormone replacements is black cohosh , tell her to stay away from it . It is hepatatoxic . " JoEllen Donahue Hermes L.Ac. " <medicinemom@...> wrote:At 04:58 PM 9/25/2005, you wrote: >JoEllen....may I ask you a question? During treatment for a Black lady >(they have a very low success rate with treatment), since we needed to >use whatever would increase her chances of success, we made the >decision to give her hormone replacement since she's post- menopausal. >She is now done with her treatment (she cleared!) and would like to >stop the Premarin....but doesn't want the hot flashes....LOL... > >I said I would look into natural hormones, risk, etc. I would >appreciate your advice. Thanks. Silvia > Hi Silvia We treat patients for menopausal sx all the time using acupuncture itself or combined with herbs. THere are some very commonly used formulas that Clear heat and nourish the Kidney.In this context, the Kidney system, not just the viscera itself as in western medicine but - In Chinese Medicine " Kidney " pertains to aging, growth, reproduction. Often someone complaining of sx like night sweats, thirst, irritability, will be given a standard formula depending on the pattern of sx they present. This can vary sa menopuase can be very involved for some patients yet others breeze through it barely noticing it. So for example someone with alot of internal heat, night sweats, etc. will be given a different rx for example Zhi Bai Di Huang Wan than someone whose symptoms are different like for example insomnia, difficulty concentrating, poor memory- might be given somethign like An Shen Bu Xin Wan which means roughly Strengthen the Heart formula. If this patient made it through the Hep tx- the rest - managing her menopausal sx should be a piece of cake! I would encourage her to see a local acupuncturist/herbalist. for a local referral www.nccaom.org The above formulas are commonly used with success but she really should get someone local to treat and prescribe specifically for her. Often patients with HepC who are taking the pharmaceutical treatment dont want to bother with herbs too. Which I can understand sometimes. These types of herbs would have to be taken consistently or its not worth taking at all. I know I am biased because I love acupuncture and do indeed think it is the coolest thing in the world - but I still strongly suggest to anyone with hep (or menopause for that matter) to consider trying acupuncture because it really can do wonders to help manage the sx. Sorry if my replies seem so general but TCM (traditional Chinese MEd) views health and illness differently. If you sent me 12 patients with HEP C, they could possibly all have a different diagnosis - with some overlap in TCM terms. So they might all be given different acupuncture points and different herbs. Hope this helps somewhat and doesnt confuse everyone Peace Josie I > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, > > >this has upset me more than anything has in the past, > > >I have struggled so hard to get good grades, I have to > > >re read things a million times and sometimes I still > > >cant remember what I read,, so I dont know,, maybe he > > >is right, I will never make a good doc, Who knows,, anyway, have a > > >good time,, I love you too > > >jax > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER let >someone > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. > > >josie > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > www.medicinemom.com > > ******************************************** > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of >JoEllen > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended > > only for the named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to you >in error, > > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > > immediately from your computer. Any other use, >retention,dissemination, > > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is > > strictly forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 No problem sweety , I made the mistake of going on black cohosh after my hysterectomy .Boy did my liver not like the stuff , that was when I started really researching meds before I took them . I learned quickly that I needed to check with the doctors before tying anything over the counter . LOL silvianursey <Bhprice425@...> wrote:Thanks Liz. Silvia > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, > > > >this has upset me more than anything has in the past, > > > >I have struggled so hard to get good grades, I have to > > > >re read things a million times and sometimes I still > > > >cant remember what I read,, so I dont know,, maybe he > > > >is right, I will never make a good doc, Who knows,, > > > >anyway, have a good time,, > > > >I love you too > > > >jax > > > > > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER let > >someone > > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. > > > >josie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > > www.medicinemom.com > > > ******************************************** > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of > >JoEllen > > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended > > > only for the named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to you > >in error, > > > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > > > immediately from your computer. Any other use, > >retention,dissemination, > > > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is > > > strictly forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 I got it Liz. Silvia > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, > > > >this has upset me more than anything has in the past, > > > >I have struggled so hard to get good grades, I have to > > > >re read things a million times and sometimes I still > > > >cant remember what I read,, so I dont know,, maybe he > > > >is right, I will never make a good doc, Who knows,, anyway, have a > > > >good time,, I love you too > > > >jax > > > > > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER let > >someone > > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. > > > >josie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > > www.medicinemom.com > > > ******************************************** > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of > >JoEllen > > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended > > > only for the named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to you > >in error, > > > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > > > immediately from your computer. Any other use, > >retention,dissemination, > > > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is > > > strictly forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 Well, I've looked at the citations proffered, and don't find them to be definitive. And then I've found more than one paper on pubmed disputing the findings of those two reports. There are only two. Of the thousands of women in the US, and probably around the world, using Black Cohosh I think there'd be more than 2 reports of possible problems. I thought I'd read up on that report before, and after reading pubmed, I recall that I had. At least one of the reported liver toxicity problems was related to an herbal concoction including ground ivy, which *is* known to be hepatotoxic in its own right. I would be reluctant to draw universal conclusions based on a sample of one or even two. I've been using the Black Cohosh for about 4 years. Its been a godsend to me as I cannot tolerate premarin at all. I will discontinue my Black Cohosh this week to see if there are any changes for me. I don't expect any, other than hot flashes. But fortunately our summer is pretty much over here, even though we've had 90 degree days as late as October 6 here. Thank you all for the information. Sally Re: Re: hey No problem sweety , I made the mistake of going on black cohosh after my hysterectomy .Boy did my liver not like the stuff , that was when I started really researching meds before I took them . I learned quickly that I needed to check with the doctors before tying anything over the counter . LOL silvianursey <Bhprice425@...> wrote:Thanks Liz. Silvia > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, this has > > > >upset me more than anything has in the past, I have struggled so > > > >hard to get good grades, I have to re read things a million times > > > >and sometimes I still cant remember what I read,, so I dont > > > >know,, maybe he is right, I will never make a good doc, Who > > > >knows,, anyway, have a good time,, > > > >I love you too > > > >jax > > > > > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER let > >someone > > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. josie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > > www.medicinemom.com > > > ******************************************** > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property of > >JoEllen > > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended only for the > > > named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to you > >in error, > > > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > > > immediately from your computer. Any other use, > >retention,dissemination, > > > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly > > > forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 Dear Sally, Every thing we eat,drink,take(medications and herbal medications) is metabolized through the liver. So while you have had success with black cohosh does not mean everyone would have the same results.*smile I think the statement here would be that of use all herbal, and prescription medications with caution. Make sure that your doctor is aware of all the medications that you are currently taking, that includes herbal medications. I for one stopped taking hormones along time ago. Rather deal with the symptoms of menopause on my own. And I am careful to make sure that I include calicum in my diet, get exercise to prevent bone loss. But that is me. Now I will tell you, I will freeze you out if you come to my house because of the hot flashes. LOL Between menopause, and the side effect of effexor Xr being excessive sweating. I keep my house on the cool side. The family complains. I tell them to get a blanket!! LOL Love Janet > > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, this has > > > > >upset me more than anything has in the past, I have struggled so > > > > >hard to get good grades, I have to re read things a million times > > > > >and sometimes I still cant remember what I read,, so I dont > > > > >know,, maybe he is right, I will never make a good doc, Who > > > > >knows,, anyway, have a good time,, > > > > >I love you too > > > > >jax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER > let > > >someone > > > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. josie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > > > www.medicinemom.com > > > > ******************************************** > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property > of > > >JoEllen > > > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended only for the > > > > named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to > you > > >in error, > > > > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > > > > immediately from your computer. Any other use, > > >retention,dissemination, > > > > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly > > > > forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 26, 2005 Thanks Janet, All of my doctors are aware of all of my medications, vitamins, herbals, and supplements. I print out a fresh accounting every time I see one of my doctors. They get a fresh list with every doctor, every pharmacy, every pill, capsule, etc. Every adverse reaction I've been able to chase down and document, whether in the literature or not. I was one of the first to experience and report the bleeding problems <not gastric> with the ibuprofen product. My doctor at the time discounted it, but my pharmacist took note and reported it. Soon that side became reported as a " rare " incident, now its reported as " uncommon " , which is a bit more frequent than rare. I believed I saw a blanket indictment of the Black Cohosh on this list. Perhaps I misunderstood. If so, I apologize. I certainly would not prescribe a supplement for anyone. I can only say what my experience is, and research information, which I did. I also won't say that no one should ever use ginseng, even though ginseng and siberian ginseng both make me very ill, and they have both been listed both positive and negative in studies. Freezine one out in the Pacific North West in the summer is not an option. Airconditioning is very rare here. When the temperature outside gets warm, the inside gets warmer. I just sweat. Like I said, the summer is pretty much over here, now. I will see. Thank you for the smile. Sally Re: hey Dear Sally, Every thing we eat,drink,take(medications and herbal medications) is metabolized through the liver. So while you have had success with black cohosh does not mean everyone would have the same results.*smile I think the statement here would be that of use all herbal, and prescription medications with caution. Make sure that your doctor is aware of all the medications that you are currently taking, that includes herbal medications. I for one stopped taking hormones along time ago. Rather deal with the symptoms of menopause on my own. And I am careful to make sure that I include calicum in my diet, get exercise to prevent bone loss. But that is me. Now I will tell you, I will freeze you out if you come to my house because of the hot flashes. LOL Between menopause, and the side effect of effexor Xr being excessive sweating. I keep my house on the cool side. The family complains. I tell them to get a blanket!! LOL Love Janet > > > > >Well I think I am going to have to re-think school,, this has > > > > >upset me more than anything has in the past, I have struggled so > > > > >hard to get good grades, I have to re read things a million times > > > > >and sometimes I still cant remember what I read,, so I dont > > > > >know,, maybe he is right, I will never make a good doc, Who > > > > >knows,, anyway, have a good time,, > > > > >I love you too > > > > >jax > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jax- dont give up.It's very easy to be overwhelmed but NEVER > let > > >someone > > > > >else influence what you think you are able to accomplish. josie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > > > > JoEllen Donahue Hermes, L.Ac. > > > > Acupuncture & Herbal Medicine > > > > www.medicinemom.com > > > > ******************************************** > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are the property > of > > >JoEllen > > > > Donahue Hermes, L.Ac., are confidential, and intended only for the > > > > named recipient(s) above. If it has been sent to > you > > >in error, > > > > please notify the sender at 415-731-4328 and delete this message > > > > immediately from your computer. Any other use, > > >retention,dissemination, > > > > forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly > > > > forbidden. Thank you for your consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
