Guest guest Posted December 30, 2000 Report Share Posted December 30, 2000 Sheila, Love ya and totally respect your choice to be a vegetarian, but do me a favor and dont preach about the evils of meat and dairy. There are just as many dieticians out there who have opinions completely opposite of the ones you are listening to. Besides, of all the elite athletes and healthiest people in the world you can find, the percentage of vegetarians is about the same as the normal population, so I find it hard to believe that all these chemicals and toxins and secretions and such are doing that much harm, much less killing us. Sorry to get on my high horse this morning (come to think of it, he looks pretty tasty, ha, ha) . Have a great one. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2000 Report Share Posted December 30, 2000 it seems to take a long time for my posts to reach this site if I dont just hit reply..anyway. More on recipes. here is the recipe for Emeril Lagasse's essence. You know, the stuff he throws on the food and says " BAMM! " . all that chicken will start to taste like rubber is you dont add some variety. this seasoning rub can be applied to any meat that you either grill, bake or cook in a pan on top of the stove. just sprinkle some on to enhance flavor. I suggest omitting the salt the last month of your Challenge. 2 1/2 T. paprika 2 T. salt 2 T. garlic powder 1 T. black pepper 1 T. onion powder 1 T. cayenne pepper 1 T. dried oregano 1 T. dried thyme Combine all ingredients thoroughly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2000 Report Share Posted December 30, 2000 Hey Deus, great protein info!! some of the vegetarians would like to know alternative proteins to avoid meat sources. Meat just has a lot of other JUNK in it (chemicals, acids etc) that we dont need. Same with all that mucos clogging dairy products we could do without. i like falling back on the using of myoplex since it does have the added vitamins/minerals for those that dont like or remember to pop lots of vity's in the a.m. work-out strong, dreams of muscle-- sheila from dallas ----Original Message Follows---- From: Deus Ex Machina <vicc@...> Reply-bodyforlifeegroups bodyforlifeegroups Subject: protein Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 15:52:13 +1100 hi, everyting you vanted to know about protein but ver afreed to ask http://www.mesomorphosis.com/exclusive/mcdonald/protein01.htm Deus _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2000 Report Share Posted December 30, 2000 hey ya'll! Come on!! where are those recipes??? Share! we need variety!! dont make me have to give you the one about my sweet potato chips...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2000 Report Share Posted December 30, 2000 Ok Rhonda, here it is. You slice very thin, I use the slicer on the side of my cheese grater, a whole sweet potato. you dont need to peel it. spritz a cookie sheet with olive oil (you dont have one of those olive oil spritzers? you really need to get one. gives out just enough oil to be healthy). add a layer of the sliced sweet potatoes. spritz them with the olive oil. here's where personal taste comes in. you can season them with whatever you want-onion powder, garlic powder, Mrs. Dash etc. bake them for 15 minutes at 350 degrees then turn them over and bake them oh, another 5 or 10 minutes. its not an exact science. I like to make alot and then store them on an airtight container. these make me not miss ranch style doritoes so much and they are handy once made if you have a snack attack. cyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2000 Report Share Posted December 30, 2000 ok no problem...i just want to wake up those vegetair's out there so they will submit some info about recipe's. I dont want them to be intimidated by all the carnivores out there! And hey, while you're at it....how about asking that lady who told the story about her kid peeing in the tub to stick to " body for life " topics. ----Original Message Follows---- From: MarkShaneWhite@... Reply-bodyforlifeegroups bodyforlifeegroups Subject: Re: protein Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 08:43:52 EST Sheila, Love ya and totally respect your choice to be a vegetarian, but do me a favor and dont preach about the evils of meat and dairy. There are just as many dieticians out there who have opinions completely opposite of the ones you are listening to. Besides, of all the elite athletes and healthiest people in the world you can find, the percentage of vegetarians is about the same as the normal population, so I find it hard to believe that all these chemicals and toxins and secretions and such are doing that much harm, much less killing us. Sorry to get on my high horse this morning (come to think of it, he looks pretty tasty, ha, ha) . Have a great one. Mark _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2000 Report Share Posted December 30, 2000 Hi , I really want the sweet potato chips recipe! I like sweet potatoes. Unfortunately, I eat a lot of cottage cheese, yogurt, oatmeal, turkey, tuna, shakes, and bars... easy, easy stuff that transports to work well. I must admit that chicken really does start to taste the same, and for a long time turkey and eggs were just unthinkable because I'd eaten tooooooo many. I keep it simple, but vary the spices. Thanks for the " spice it up a bit " Emeril recipe. I'll try it. Rhonda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2000 Report Share Posted December 30, 2000 Thanks! I bought one of those spritzers at a pampered chef party, but gave it to my mom for Christmas. Next time I'll have to get myself one. Olive oil pam should do the trick for now though. R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2000 Report Share Posted December 30, 2000 Lumina Corp [luminacorp@...] wrote: > Hey Deus, great protein info!! some of the vegetarians would like to know > alternative proteins to avoid meat sources. Meat just has a lot of other > JUNK in it (chemicals, acids etc) that we dont need. Same with all that > mucos clogging dairy products we could do without. i like falling back on > the using of myoplex since it does have the added vitamins/minerals for > those that dont like or remember to pop lots of vity's in the a.m. > work-out strong, dreams of muscle-- > sheila from dallas black beans are very good source. beans in general, lentils and tofu are high in protein. peanuts and walnuts are high in protein but high in fats too. keep in mind MRPs like myoplex are animal derived products. you can get soy protein isolate, but I stopped using it because it can be high in phytoestrogens. soy protein and tofu can be high in phytic acids which limit mineral absorption so make sure you get as much variety of vegetable proteins as possible and if in doubt have a mineral test to see if you are deficient in any minerals. you can get cheap mineral hair tests on the internet. check the USDA database at http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl for food composition there is an article about Bill Pearl who was partially vegetarian at http://ksteveh.tripod.com/pearl.html youll also find good stuff at the vegetarian resource group www.vrg.org happy new year! Deus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2000 Report Share Posted December 30, 2000 Cyn.. The sweet potato chips sound yummy. You can actually buy Pure Olive Oil Fat Free Cooking Spray at the grocery store. I buy the generic brand, but I think Mazola or Pam makes one too. It's what I've been using for fat-free frying. Cheryl C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2001 Report Share Posted January 2, 2001 Sheila, if you're vegan, Myoplex has whey protein which is a milk product. Kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2001 Report Share Posted January 2, 2001 Thanks for the site references Deus. Sheila, remember that your protein source is only as good as the limiting essential amino acid. Speaking in a very general manner, combining legumes such as beans and lentils with grains such as wheat, corn and rice complement each other in weak areas. Bill Pearl is lacto-ovo vegetarian as I recall and thus had the benefit of milk and egg sources of protein which are more balanced on the amino acid profiles. Soy is relatively balanced with the essential amino acids. I only comment because I appreciate that it is more difficult to keep your protein levels up as a vegan with the full complement of essential amino acids. Kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2001 Report Share Posted January 2, 2001 Kit, are you saying that getting protein from broccoli would not be as complete as the ones you mentioned here? I will prob be eating some meat and some diary products but then trying to add vegs in that are protein sources like broccoli, cauliflower etc. I like beans/rice as well and will prob add brwn rice in quite a bit. thanks for the info! ----Original Message Follows---- From: " Kit Keyes " <kit.keyes@...> Reply-bodyforlifeegroups bodyforlifeegroups Subject: RE: protein Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:38:04 -0800 Thanks for the site references Deus. Sheila, remember that your protein source is only as good as the limiting essential amino acid. Speaking in a very general manner, combining legumes such as beans and lentils with grains such as wheat, corn and rice complement each other in weak areas. Bill Pearl is lacto-ovo vegetarian as I recall and thus had the benefit of milk and egg sources of protein which are more balanced on the amino acid profiles. Soy is relatively balanced with the essential amino acids. I only comment because I appreciate that it is more difficult to keep your protein levels up as a vegan with the full complement of essential amino acids. Kit _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2001 Report Share Posted January 20, 2001 In a message dated hoops@... writes: I also love my new Foreman grill. We use it for hashbrowns all the time. Rhonda Hey Rhonda, Sounds good. How do you make them? I love hash browns. Never heard of them til we came here...but I've got a grill and I'd like to try some out. L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2001 Report Share Posted March 7, 2001 Hey Cristi! I'm in with you tomorrow! I'll give you my final count tomorrow night! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2001 Report Share Posted April 22, 2001 At 187 grams of protein per day, split up into 6 meals, that's about 31 grams of protein per meal. Not too hard to do. Also, remember that you don't have to have exactly that amount in each meal. You can have a higher amount in some and lower in others, as long as it equals out throughout the day to about 187 grams per day. Tina *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/22/01 at 10:59 PM ddeberry@... wrote: > thanx for the info on the nutritional value tables. new question--How in the heck do you get in 46grams of protein per meal. I weigh 187# and if I've calculated this correctly, that is how much protein I should take in per meal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2001 Report Share Posted April 23, 2001 Brett [bdavis@...] wrote: > Unless he is looking at 1.5 grams/pound to gain more muscle. there is absolutely no evidence that more then 1 g/p has any added benefit in gaining muscle. what it will do is cause your liver to swell. Deus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2001 Report Share Posted April 23, 2001 > , > > Do you know if PKU is similar to ITP? My daughter has that and she is > interested in BFL and I never thought there may be a protein issue. > > Joe > Hi Joe. I just did a little quick reading on ITP when I saw your post. If I have the correct condition ITP is a blood disorder om which the immune system destroys platelets in the blood. Is that the right? If so this is not similar to PKU. With PKU (Phenylketonuria) the body is deficient in the enzyme necessary to properly metabolize protein. Specifically, my children cannot metabolize the amino acid phenylalanine. The Body for Life program would be absolutely toxic to them. Nevertheless, I would suggest that your daughter speak with her physician (or better yet a specialist) about BFL before starting the program. With the exception of excersizing on an empty stomach, this program is what my physicians and nutritionist have been " prescribing " for my conditions for years. I'm sorry I can't be of more help to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2001 Report Share Posted April 23, 2001 Thank you so much for sharing this with us. You obviously have done alot of necessary research about protein. I hope your children will be healthy and happy in spite of their condition. I'm sure they will be with such a knowledgable and loving mom. in Wichita, KS C1W11D2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 I get 31 grams per meal. 187 X 1= 187 divided by 6 = 31.17 Cheryl C. -------------------------------------------------------- <How in the heck do you get in 46grams of protein per meal. I weigh 187# and if I've calculated this correctly, that is how much protein I should take in per meal. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 I get 31 grams per meal. 187 X 1= 187 divided by 6 = 31.17 Cheryl C. -------------------------------------------------------- <How in the heck do you get in 46grams of protein per meal. I weigh 187# and if I've calculated this correctly, that is how much protein I should take in per meal. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2001 Report Share Posted September 6, 2001 Wilbanks wrote: Since your body can't use more than about 20-30 grams of protein at a time, and you need to eat a ration of 4:1 or 3:1 carb:protein, that amounts to about 2 to 4 ounces of corn sugar. *** This figure of ~30 grams of protein being useable by the body in one sitting is used fairly commonly. Does anyone have a reference for this? I think it's a little simplistic to say that all humans at any point in time can only use 30 grams at a time. Some factors, in my opinion, would affect the rate at which the body can use protein: -time of day: morning, post-training... -protein source: digestibility, amino acid score, size of peptides... -hormone status: sex, training, steroid use, age... When you consider all of these factors, it's hard to imagine that a " juiced up " 25 year old male bodybuilder can only utilize the same amount as his grandmother. Ok, this is an extreme case... Any thoughts? Pacey Vancouver, Canada _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2001 Report Share Posted September 6, 2001 You're right. It's just a guessing guideline. Since I eat 5 meals per day, 30g puts me at 150g per day which is close to 1g per pound of body weight. I have never read anything sensible or substantiated that claimed eating more the 1g/lb had any benefits. Wilbanks Madison, WI > > Since your body can't use more than about 20-30 grams of protein at a > time, and you need to eat a ration of 4:1 or 3:1 carb:protein, that > amounts to about 2 to 4 ounces of corn sugar. > > *** This figure of ~30 grams of protein being useable by the body in one > sitting is used fairly commonly. Does anyone have a reference for this? I > think it's a little simplistic to say that all humans at any point in time > can only use 30 grams at a time. Some factors, in my opinion, would affect > the rate at which the body can use protein: > > -time of day: morning, post-training... > -protein source: digestibility, amino acid score, size of peptides... > -hormone status: sex, training, steroid use, age... > > When you consider all of these factors, it's hard to imagine that a " juiced > up " 25 year old male bodybuilder can only utilize the same amount as his > grandmother. Ok, this is an extreme case... Any thoughts? > > Pacey > Vancouver, Canada > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2001 Report Share Posted September 12, 2001 I don't think it is as simple as that. I am sorry but I don't have a particular study to reference either but most of what I have read suggests that it varies with weight, the range being about 20-30 grams at a setting for a small (say in the 120 lb to 160 lb range) up into the range of about 50-70 grams for a large individual (in the 200lb plus range) and even these are just estimates and vary from one article to another or from the directions on the back of one protein supplement to the back of another but that seems to be about the range I have seen. Chance Donohue Dillon MT www.edsgym.com > > Since your body can't use more than about 20-30 grams of protein at a > time, and you need to eat a ration of 4:1 or 3:1 carb:protein, that > amounts to about 2 to 4 ounces of corn sugar. > > *** This figure of ~30 grams of protein being useable by the body in one > sitting is used fairly commonly. Does anyone have a reference for this? I > think it's a little simplistic to say that all humans at any point in time > can only use 30 grams at a time. Some factors, in my opinion, would affect > the rate at which the body can use protein: > > -time of day: morning, post-training... > -protein source: digestibility, amino acid score, size of peptides... > -hormone status: sex, training, steroid use, age... > > When you consider all of these factors, it's hard to imagine that a " juiced > up " 25 year old male bodybuilder can only utilize the same amount as his > grandmother. Ok, this is an extreme case... Any thoughts? > > Pacey > Vancouver, Canada > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 I feel best when I eat lots of baked fish. jv O ======---,-----,----,---,--,-, o |--Q \ o ----\ \ o_ ________ () ()\_ Fish to Live, Live to Fish -<_>< On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, nekrosys wrote: > Sorry guys & gals, but I'm full of ?'s today. Do any of you notice > that you need tons of protein in your diet or you literally start to > feel weaker? I take a protein supplement on a fairly inconsistant > basis and I can really tell a difference between the days I take it > and the days I don't. I'm just curious if this is a quirk of my > particalur body make up or if other people have this problem? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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