Silly question

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

It's the folic acid :-) Sorry to hear that Grace is needing the prednisone

again. That happens a lot, with so many of the children :-( What's her dose?

Every day or every other day? How long was she able to go without it and what

kind of symptoms did she get that made the doctor want to put her back on it?

Josh is still holding steady at 15mgs prednisone a day. I had almost hoped we

would try to lower it some, after seeing the doctor last Friday, but she said

it's still too soon after the flare. We see the doctor again on May 5th, so

maybe then we'll go down to 12.5mgs? Only time will tell.

I hope Grace is feeling okay. Tell her that Josh and Kayla say HELLO!!!

Talk to you soon :-)

Georgina

Jakuch@... wrote:

> From: Jakuch@...

>

> Dear Everyone,

> I feel silly asking this since I've read the answer many times, but what

> medication DON'T you give your children the day of their MTX dose? For the

> life of me I can't remember. Is it Prednisone? Folic Acid? I realize I've

> been giving Grace the whole schedule (she's back on low dose pred.,

> unfortunately) and just remembered that something should be skipped for a

> day. Help! My gray matter isn't what it used to be.

> N.

[Guest guest]

Dear Georgina & Everyone,

In response to your questions, Grace started in Feb. on a taper dose of

Prednisone. 5ccs the first week, 4ccs the second and so on. It actually took

about six weeks to taper down to nothing due to a reaction from her Chicken

Pox vaccination.

She went about 18 days pred. free. The first week was just about fine but

after that her swelling and fevers slowly came back, as did the fatigue. I

kept in contact with her doc and he wanted to wait as long as we could before

starting the pred. again. When she started limping and complaining we all

agreed it was time to start the pred. again.

What is interesting is that she was on 1cc of pred. for about two weeks and

doing relatively fine. When I asked her doc if we could just go back to that

dose he said it probably wouldn't do any good -- that we needed to start at

5ccs again to knock back the inflammation. That made sense to me. This time,

we started back on 5ccs (she only weighs 30 lbs.) and we cut back a cc every

three or four days, depending how she's doing. Her doc said not to go below

1cc, however (i.e. not to stop), until our next appt. on May 3. Right now

she's on 2ccs and seems to be doing well. During this we upped her MTX dose

from two pills to three on Fridays. She loves taking them imbedded in a

spoonful of ice cream now, and proudly says, " That's it! " after.

I will definitely tell her Josh and Kayla say hi. The other day I told her

about two boys who had the same thing (she calls it a virus) as she did. I

told her one lived in Hawaii and the other lived in Peru! In her mind this

upped the status of her " virus " to be in such important company! Perhaps I

have see if she wants to write a little note to Josh or Diego.

Thanks,

N.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Dieguito is taking Prednisone all the days and Thursday MTX but the doctor

didn't mention about skip the dose of Pred this day....Maybe is the Folic

Acid...

Regards,

--------------

[ ] Silly question

From: Jakuch@...

Dear Everyone,

I feel silly asking this since I've read the answer many times, but what

medication DON'T you give your children the day of their MTX dose? For the

life of me I can't remember. Is it Prednisone? Folic Acid? I realize I've

been giving Grace the whole schedule (she's back on low dose pred.,

unfortunately) and just remembered that something should be skipped for a

day. Help! My gray matter isn't what it used to be.

N.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/13/00 8:03:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,

anna_nim@... writes:

<< If there was detection equipment and THAT is the reason they knew troops

would need antibiotics, why not just give the antibiotics instead of the

vaccine when the detection equipment indicates exposure? >>

There is detection equipment. It is made by a company in Pittsburgh, PA, and

they are " proud as punch " of their reliable detection equipment.

[Guest guest]

This is a question I've never heard an answer too. I asked our " DOD

briefer's " if the vaccine was all you needed, and at least they said " No " .

And that you would also need the antibiotics, of which " Citro " , is what they

are using. So at least the briefings are being altered to a little more of

the truth. (It's a start anyway). However, the question of " How long does a

vaccinated person have from the time symptoms arise to receive antibiotic

treatment, and at that point, is it too late? " has never been addressed, I

don't believe. That I do feel however is a good question.

<< List:

If the anthrax vaccine is so " effective " against inhalation anthrax then

would one assume there would be no symptoms?? If so, how would they

know to follow up with the necessary antibiotics? And if symptoms

were the indication, would it be too late to treat? (At least by

DoD's claims)

>>

[Guest guest]

Do you know the company's name I am from Pittsburgh and just went through a

bull session I mean briefing where the flight surgeon said we could not detect

anthrax until too late.

[Guest guest]

Gretchen -

One more silly question to add to the list: If we kept the shot secret

during the gulf war because we were afraid saddam might then use something

else, then WHY are we (our government) making it such a public spectacle now?

Don't they say the threat is not diminished?

Just asking.

Jeff

anna_nim wrote:

> From: anna_nim <anna_nim@...>

>

> List:

>

> If the anthrax vaccine is so " effective " against inhalation anthrax then

> would one assume there would be no symptoms?? If so, how would they

> know to follow up with the necessary antibiotics? And if symptoms

> were the indication, would it be too late to treat? (At least by

> DoD's claims)

>

> If there was detection equipment and THAT is the reason they knew troops

> would need antibiotics, why not just give the antibiotics instead of

> the vaccine when the detection equipment indicates exposure?

>

> I have heard the argument that vaccine shortens the time necessary on

> antibiotics is all. A mighty " So what? " to that.

>

> Course I guess the answer to my silly question is:$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

> and more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for starters.

>

> Gretchen

>

[Guest guest]

Randi, When I asked that question of our " resident expert " , he said the

vaccine will give you about 48 hours to start the antibiotics. My answer to

that one was " it will take longer than that before they know anthrax has

been used. " Remember, the first few days are flu-like symptoms, then you

feel better for a couple of days, then wham - you're dead.

Geneva

Re: Silly question

> From: Randice1@...

>

> This is a question I've never heard an answer too. I asked our " DOD

> briefer's " if the vaccine was all you needed, and at least they said " No " .

> And that you would also need the antibiotics, of which " Citro " , is what

they

> are using. So at least the briefings are being altered to a little more

of

> the truth. (It's a start anyway). However, the question of " How long

does a

> vaccinated person have from the time symptoms arise to receive antibiotic

> treatment, and at that point, is it too late? " has never been addressed, I

> don't believe. That I do feel however is a good question.

>

> << List:

>

> If the anthrax vaccine is so " effective " against inhalation anthrax then

> would one assume there would be no symptoms?? If so, how would they

> know to follow up with the necessary antibiotics? And if symptoms

> were the indication, would it be too late to treat? (At least by

> DoD's claims)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/16/00 9:03:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

mrjr@... writes:

<< but would it be terrible to give my 5 year old son breastmilk to drink if

he wanted to drink some? >>

I think it would be just fine - he is just being a little curious thats all.

It will probably do him some good too!!

(I think its kinda cute that he asked for some!)

Love,

Chelly

[Guest guest]

Ronda,

I think there is NOTHING wrong with that unless it makes YOU uncomfortable.

It is wonderful for him!

But I guess I am not the one to ask since my almost 4 year old (she will be 4

on 9/20) still nurses when she feels the need. 1-2x a day. My daughter and I

are fine with it. She is a healthy child. We only nurse in private. This

society can't even handle an infant nursing in public

Just my .02 cents

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[Guest guest]

I think is world average is 4 years!

Silly question

Hi. I know this may sound disgusting, but would it be terrible to give my 5 year old son breastmilk to drink if he wanted to drink some? Of course i would pump it in a cup for him, but would it be bad to give it to him? He wants some and it is probably because his baby sister is breastfeeding.

Ronda

<mommy of 5 year old Darren

and 2 month old bf Zayna>

[Guest guest]

Hi. I know this may sound disgusting, but would it be terrible to give my

5 year old son breastmilk to drink if he wanted to drink some? Of course i

would pump it in a cup for him, but would it be bad to give it to him? He

wants some and it is probably because his baby sister is breastfeeding.

Its your milk and your his mom - what a sweet thing - I wouldn't hesitate!

Yes, I'm sure its because his baby sister is feeding.

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/17/00 12:03:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

mrjr@... writes:

<< Hi. I know this may sound disgusting, but would it be terrible to give my

5 year old son breastmilk to drink if he wanted to drink some? Of course i

would pump it in a cup for him, but would it be bad to give it to him? He

wants some and it is probably because his baby sister is breastfeeding >>

No, it's not disgusting Give him some if you want.. Can't hurt him. He

probably won't like the taste anymore though.

www.diapers.bizland.com

[Guest guest]

It's great for him and not disqusting at all. Many five year olds are still breastfeeding.

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Levy

If I seem a little passionate about this right now, it's because I'm in the middle of writing a paper on the formula industry as a patriarchal system that oppresses women by coercing them into giving their babies formula instead of free, healthy breastmilk.

I don't think it is as simple as that myself. More like an effort to reduce the worlds population with the added bonus of putting third world countries into debt and reaping funds for milk and vaccines also.

Also another agenda is explained in this interview with an African shaman: http://www.50megs.com/davidicke/icke/magazine/vol6/spectmutwa2.html

Not that you could write about it.

[Guest guest]

Ronda,

There is absolutely nothing disgusting about giving a 5 year old breastmilk!

I know many 5 year olds who are still breastfeeding. In fact, the

worldwide average for weaning is 4 years, with some children in

some parts of the world nursing until they are 13. It's up to you

if you feel comfortable or not, but go ahead and give him as much as he

wants. There are many aspects of breastmilk that he can still benefit

from. There have been reports from around the world of women actually

breatfeeding elderly relatives who are very sick. Breastmilk is a

miraculous substance.

If I seem a little passionate about this right now, it's because I'm

in the middle of writing a paper on the formula industry as a patriarchal

system that oppresses women by coercing them into giving their babies formula

instead of free, healthy breastmilk.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 07/17/2000 7:49:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dbern@... writes:

<< guess I'm just old-fashioned, but 5 seems 4 years too long.

>>

The world health organization recommends you bf for at least 2 years. Even

the aap recommends at least one year and as long as the mom and child like.

1 year is way to short. BTW-that one year thing was an arbitrary number set

up by formula feeding moms as when to dump the bottle.

TEresa

[Guest guest]

,

Of course it's not as simple as that! I was just summing up in

one sentence. It's totally about genocide and capitalist gain in

less developed countries. Formula feeding and vaccination programs

and the distribution of drugs, pesticides, etc. that have been rejected

in the Industrialized world because they are unsafe all go hand in hand

(again, I encourage everyone to read AIDS Inc. by Jon Rappoport

for a really good explanation of this and it's link to AIDS). For

my paper I have to write about one example of how patriarchy has affected

my life and is affecting others, and use feminist critique (radical, liberal

and Marxist) to analyze why this is happening. I chose breastfeeding

for obvious reasons; I was sent formula samples when I was pregnant.

So basically this is just one example of what you were talking about, but

it's a women's studies course, so I have to put the oppression of women

spin on it (which is a major part of it; it's not just about genocide).

Of course, it's mostly a Marxist issue because the industry makes so much

money from formula every year ($6 billion). Anyway, I'm rambling

because I've literally been writing this paper all day and my brain is

over-stimulated. I just didn't want you to think that I missed that

obvious connection.

PS. Thanks for the interesting interview.

[Guest guest]

I am with Sheri, i think we are conditioned to not need our kids and for our

kids to not need us. When i went to my first LLL meeting, all of the nursing

mothers were nursing toddlers and i was really put off at first. It just

felt weird to see them nursing. But the more i think about it, really, why

not? Alot of the parenting i do seems so right and natural to me. Ex. I

had my babies to be with me, not someone else. I am going to raise them,

not the baby sitter or the daycare center. I want to be with them all the

time because I LIKE IT!!! I have been called clingy, over protective and

have been told that my girls have that " want to be held all the time " mind

set. ANd this is from my family and friends!!!! Sorry, i seem to be

rambling. But i feel like such a freak sometimes, even though, suprisingly,

most of the older women i am friends with support my decisions, like not

vaccinating. This list is the only list and group of people who seem to

think like i do.

LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!!!!!

Christin

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:32:30 -0500, you wrote:

>It's great for him and not disqusting at all. Many five year olds are still

breastfeeding.

>

I guess I'm just old-fashioned, but 5 seems 4 years too long.

db

[Guest guest]

At 06:48 PM 07/17/2000 -0500, you wrote:

>On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:32:30 -0500, you wrote:

>

>>It's great for him and not disqusting at all. Many five year olds are

still breastfeeding.

>>

>

>I guess I'm just old-fashioned, but 5 seems 4 years too long.

>db

>

Why do you think that???? Could it be conditioning????

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA 95959

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE

DECISION TO

VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

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http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin

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Education, Homeopathic Education

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CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

[Guest guest]

I must say that we are the main country that does not bf for a much longer period of time... And if the kids are healthier for it and the mom is feeling good about it- why not?

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I guess I'm just old-fashioned, but 5 seems 4 years too long. db

[Guest guest]

Dave,

The WHO recommends breastfeeding until at least two years of

age. Besides, breastfeeding a toddler is fun - it's a completely

different experience than breastfeeding a younger baby. And a toddler

will still continue to reap the health benefits from breastmilk.

I'm still writing this paper (stopped for an e-mail break), so don't get

me going (LOL)!

Dave Berntson wrote:

On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:32:30 -0500, you wrote:

>It's great for him and not disqusting at all. Many five year

olds are still breastfeeding.

>

I guess I'm just old-fashioned, but 5 seems 4 years too long.

db

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[Guest guest]

I am not really telling anyone anymore, because I started getting really

strange looks and comments when she was approaching her 3'rd birthday,

but I'm still breastfeeding my 3.5 year old. It's hard to give it up.

I don't know if there are any nutritional benefits any longer, but she

sure loves it and with no vaccinations and a good doze of breastmilk

she's never sick. Lone

[Guest guest]

Re: Silly question

> I am with Sheri, i think we are conditioned to not need our kids and for

our

> kids to not need us. When i went to my first LLL meeting, all of the

nursing

> mothers were nursing toddlers and i was really put off at first. It just

> felt weird to see them nursing. But the more i think about it, really,

why

> not? Alot of the parenting i do seems so right and natural to me. Ex.

It is amazing to find women who hate breastfeeding in public even though you

can't see any breast at all--even my family think you should take the baby

somewhere else to feed. Says a lot about my mother. My wife was thrown out

of a shopping centre as a woman complained--she then told the local

newspaper and they ran a story--you were meant to hide in a special

windowless room. Just shows how you can pass down stupidity from one

generation to the next, easy.