Re: re: HBOT and Pain in Muscles

[Guest guest]

Holly wrote:

> << Count me in for the $235 TDP lamp. >>

>

> This is a nice lamp ( I own the $235 one) but I'm not sure how much

> better it is that a regular infra red bulb. The lamp works well

> with castor oil a ala Edgar Cayce. The newer, more expensive models

> will heat a larger surface area. If you want to make your own

> holder for the lamp you can buy the new style infra red plate for

> $180 and rig it up yourself.

,

Are you referring to the manufacturer's replacement plate

for the new " Bio-spectrum Multi-frequency TDP Lamp " ?

Do you have a URL for a supplier selling at $180 ?

Thanks

Bill

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim

Looks like a lot of people are interested. I'm seriously

thinking of buying one of the new MF floor-stand units,

especially if I can find a better price.

Maybe your " importer-exporter in Canada " will drop-ship to

each person's individual address -- if we can collectively

meet their minimum order amount ?

Bill

At 01:26 PM 7-15-2000 -0400, you wrote:

>Bill,

>Cerebrex's IS a better price than the ones I looked at before

>recommending him. I have seen his $235 TDP lamp as high as $450

>and the $700 desk model MF lamp for about $1300!

>

>If some people wanted to get together an order, I can come up

>with the importer-exporter in Canada I came across. They have

>high minimum orders as I recall.

>

>jim

>

>

>Bill Kingsbury wrote:

>>

>> Hi Jim

>> Any ideas on where, or how to get a better price on

>> this new " Bio-spectrum Multi-frequency TDP Lamp " with

>> the floor stand - which has a list price of $1000 ?

>>

>> Thanks

>> Bill

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

To learn more about the F.I.R. lamps, here's some links to

information with pictures, from one of the big retailers.

We can find better prices....

Bio-spectrum Lamps :

Versions 1, 3, and MF (Mineral Far Infrared) machines :

http://www.findhealer.com/mall/telstar/fproducts.php3

http://www.findhealer.com/mall/telstar/fir2.php3

Advantages of the newer 'MF' Bio-spectrum machine :

http://www.findhealer.com/mall/telstar/I005.php3

Frequently Asked Questions :

MF TDP Bio-spectrum Lamps and Qigong Machines V5.0

http://www.findhealer.com/mall/telstar/articles/introduction.php3

Bio-Spectrum Lamp Clinical Studies - Index :

http://www.findhealer.com/mall/telstar/articles/clinic.php3

The Qi Gong Master Outgoing Energy Simulator :

http://www.findhealer.com/mall/telstar/Q001.php3

..

[Guest guest]

Dan, Do you have a site (URL) where this is available?

P.M.

Re: re: HBOT and Pain in Muscles

>

> Re: re: HBOT and Pain in Muscles

>>

>>

>> > Bill,

>> >

>> > Cerebrex's IS a better price than the ones I looked at before

>> > recommending him. I have seen his $235 TDP lamp as high as $450

>> > and the $700 desk model MF lamp for about $1300!

>> >

>> > If some people wanted to get together an order, I can come up

>> > with the importer-exporter in Canada I came across. They have

>> > high minimum orders as I recall.

>> >

>> > jim

>> >

>> > Bill Kingsbury wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Hi Jim

>> > > Any ideas on where, or how to get a better price on

>> > > this new " Bio-spectrum Multi-frequency TDP Lamp " with

>> > > the floor stand - which has a list price of $1000 ?

>> > >

>> > > Thanks

>> > > Bill

>> > --

>> > Coming events cast their shadows before. --

>> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

>> > jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

>> >

>>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> > Experience MSN...

>> > Get 1 FREE* month of unlimited Internet access!

>> > 1/6323/6/_/507288/_/963682207/

>>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> >

>> > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

>> other alternative self- help subjects.

>> >

>> > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>> >

>> > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

>> are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

>> information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at

>your

>> own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability

>to

>> take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree

to

>> hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

>> here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a

>researcher

>> or health care provider.

>> >

>> > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

>> address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

>> > DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! :

>> >

>> > oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist

>> >

>> > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal

>mode.

>> >

>>

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds!

>> 1. Fill in the brief application

>> 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds

>> 3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR

>> 1/6631/6/_/507288/_/963697862/

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>

>> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

>other alternative self- help subjects.

>>

>> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>>

>> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

>are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

>information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at

your

>own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability

to

>take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

>hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

>here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

>or health care provider.

>>

>> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

>address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

>> DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! :

>>

>> oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist

>>

>> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal

mode.

>>

>

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is divine.

>We'll show you how at www.supersig.com.

>1/6808/6/_/507288/_/963716862/

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self- help subjects.

>

>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

>

>You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

>DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! :

>

> oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist

>

> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

also some therapeutic massage therapists know how to treat

carpal symdrome... with stretching excercises for the wrist

and arms... sometimes a pinched nerve in the arm. shouder

and I belive neck can give a referred symtom that it appears

as a carpal problem and I guess it is ! Also a lot of help

can be found with LLLT (Low Level Laser Therapy or some types

of LED... Light Emitting Diodes - Light therapy with FIR -

Far Infrared Lamps) also changing your position when doing

repetitive movements / or standing - sitting position !

Keep on doing what your doing..keep on getting what your

getting.... off soapbox now :-)

Mike Slivinski LMT

- Re: re: HBOT and Pain in Muscles

Anyone with carpal tunnel should be on a

supplement high in vitamin B6. Also a B complex

with Vitamin B2 also.

Give it 6-8 weeks and see if it is better.

JP

Re: re: HBOT and Pain in Muscles

> On a related issue: what can be done for Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? I have a

> friend who is experiencing extreme pain, but doesn't want to take

excessive

> amounts of cortisone shots, which at this point is the only option she's

been

> given.

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is divine.

> We'll show you how at www.supersig.com.

> 1/6820/6/_/507288/_/963592222/

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self- help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

>

> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

> DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! :

>

> oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist

>

> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

>

>

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds!

1. Fill in the brief application

2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds

3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR

1/6628/6/_/507288/_/963593362/

------------------------------------------------------------------------

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self- help subjects.

THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! :

oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist

oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

..........................................................

iWon.com http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you?

..........................................................

------------------------------------------------------------------------

To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is divine.

We'll show you how at www.supersig.com.

1/6811/6/_/507288/_/963675110/

------------------------------------------------------------------------

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self- help subjects.

THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! :

oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist

oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

[Guest guest]

,

I imagine some chiropractors have these. But, first, I must once again make the

distinction that these are nothing like the infra-red lamps that have been

around for decades. This is NOT infra-red!!! This is FAR infra-red (FIR)! There

is also a middle infra-red in between them. Microwaves are next in the EM

spectrum after FIR. FIR is really an EM lamp, not a light lamp. Folks, I suggest

we start calling them FIR lamps, which is what they are, instead of continuing

to use the name far infra-red, because it CONTINUALLY confuses people who don't

have a clear grasp of the EM spectrum, and what is where. But to say it a

different way, everything you know or believe about infra-red is NOT what we are

discussing here!

These lamps are based on the principle that certain rare earths, when bombarded

with infra-red, give off FAR infra-red. With the TDP lamp, there is some

confusion because there is a cherry red heating plate behind the FIR plate that

gets red hot to produce infra-red, which then excites the molecules of the rare

earths coating the FIR plate, creating the FIR phenomena. The second generation

lamp, the Multi-Frequency FIR lamp does not use a hot plate to excite the FIR.

The story for all this goes back several decades in China. The Government there

tasked the scientists with coming up with a single, safe, relatively inexpensive

whatever that could help as many human maladies as possible. Too bad we don't

have a government that would try this approach to medicine.

The FIR TDP lamp is what they came up with. The reason it works is that every

cell in our body produces FIR for its own purposes. FIR supplies warmth without

heat. It triggers cellular responses. And who knows what else, but FIR is

necessary for life and health. When we are run down our cells do not produce

enough. Then, because we run around naked in the Sun every day like we are

supposed to, we get whatever supplement we need from the Sun.

What, you say? You don't go naked in the Sun every day as you are supposed to?

Aren't you a naturist/nudist as you were designed by your maker? Did you believe

the bogus science lie that UV causes skin cancer? What nonsense! If anyone still

believes the Sun is bad for you, read Dr. Libberman's book, Light: Healing

of the Future. He points out that people who Sunbathe with baby oil and turn

brown every year have the LOWEST incidence of skin cancer of ANY population of

humans!!!!!!! Ergo, the Sun's UV does NOT cause skin cancer!!!!

The population with the highest incidence of skin cancer is: white (not light)

skinned people who work indoors under artificial lights, most often flourescent,

and then go out each year and get a burn by not building up to their tan slowly!

Further, the naked eye MUST get at least two hours a day of UV daily to maintain

" reproductive vigor " an excellent indicator of good health. That means no

contacts, no glasses, no sunglasses. The UV gives messages to the pineal which

then directs other glands in LIFE SUSTAINING functions.

Dese is da facts, jacques, like em or lump em! Our techno-junkie society is

creating sickness with solarphobia! Now, we have a new tool for those of us who

don't get enough sunlight on our skin. The FIR lamp produces a portion of the

spectrum we NEED. When you sunbathe, remember that wonderful " warm-to-the-bone "

feeling? That is what the FIR lamp does! Everyone who has tried my lamp has

gone, " Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........!!!! " in less than 10 minutes.

Every body pain exposed to it has departed. This includes, but is not limited to

conditions my friends, family and I have had diagnosed as arthritis, bursitis,

neuralgia, herneated disks, myospasms, and every other vague, undiagnosed pain

too. I have found that to work on a really bad, chronic pain, it takes 60 minute

treatments to really work well. Many minor pains disappear in 15 minutes, but

return in a day or two. But, since I have every friend taking 60 minute

treatments, after a few treatments, everyone is from much better to all better,

depending on what bothered them. Naturally, something like herneated disks takes

many more treatments than chronic back spasms, which for me took 3 60 minute

treatments. The weather was too warm to use my lamp for the last several weeks.

My mom mentioned just 2 days ago that the treatments seem to last even more

after you've had a few.

I can't speak highly enough of this FIR technology! I will not willingly be

without one ever again! I wholeheartedly recommend them to every human being.

They won't solve every problem humans have, but they seem to help every human

with something. As example, I have been detoxing for 18 months & the skin on my

face has some pores with bumps from stuff that never came to the surface. To see

if the FIR would help the skin on my face I gingerly took a 30 minute treatment

and..... my sinuses drained better than with the Flonase steroid nose spray I

use!

The FIR penetrates 3-4 " into the body and helps whatever things it can help. So,

since very few of us eat & live a perfect life, I believe anyone with any

complaint should offer it to a FIR lamp to see what happens. At minimum, it

feels good and is harmless. At best, you are going to want to buy one, as do

many of my friends.

Try t, you'll like it!

jim

patrick rodriguez wrote:

> Jim. Is this like the lamps the Chiropractors have, or is it like a

> infar-red sauna?

> There are two models, Do you know the difference? are they two different

> lamps or one floor and desk? I am thinking of getting one, what do you use

> it for?

>

--

" Coming events cast their shadows before. " --

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

[Guest guest]

Dear Jim,

Sounds better and better !

I want to go for the big one now !

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul

URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

email: saul@...

Re: re: HBOT and Pain in Muscles

> ,

>

> I imagine some chiropractors have these. But, first, I must once again

make the distinction that these are nothing like the infra-red lamps that

have been around for decades. This is NOT infra-red!!! This is FAR infra-red

(FIR)! There is also a middle infra-red in between them. Microwaves are next

in the EM spectrum after FIR. FIR is really an EM lamp, not a light lamp.

Folks, I suggest we start calling them FIR lamps, which is what they are,

instead of continuing to use the name far infra-red, because it CONTINUALLY

confuses people who don't

> have a clear grasp of the EM spectrum, and what is where. But to say it a

different way, everything you know or believe about infra-red is NOT what we

are discussing here!

>

> These lamps are based on the principle that certain rare earths, when

bombarded with infra-red, give off FAR infra-red. With the TDP lamp, there

is some confusion because there is a cherry red heating plate behind the FIR

plate that gets red hot to produce infra-red, which then excites the

molecules of the rare earths coating the FIR plate, creating the FIR

phenomena. The second generation lamp, the Multi-Frequency FIR lamp does not

use a hot plate to excite the FIR.

>

> The story for all this goes back several decades in China. The Government

there tasked the scientists with coming up with a single, safe, relatively

inexpensive whatever that could help as many human maladies as possible. Too

bad we don't have a government that would try this approach to medicine.

>

> The FIR TDP lamp is what they came up with. The reason it works is that

every cell in our body produces FIR for its own purposes. FIR supplies

warmth without heat. It triggers cellular responses. And who knows what

else, but FIR is necessary for life and health. When we are run down our

cells do not produce enough. Then, because we run around naked in the Sun

every day like we are supposed to, we get whatever supplement we need from

the Sun.

>

> What, you say? You don't go naked in the Sun every day as you are supposed

to? Aren't you a naturist/nudist as you were designed by your maker? Did you

believe the bogus science lie that UV causes skin cancer? What nonsense! If

anyone still believes the Sun is bad for you, read Dr. Libberman's

book, Light: Healing of the Future. He points out that people who Sunbathe

with baby oil and turn brown every year have the LOWEST incidence of skin

cancer of ANY population of humans!!!!!!! Ergo, the Sun's UV does NOT cause

skin cancer!!!!

>

> The population with the highest incidence of skin cancer is: white (not

light) skinned people who work indoors under artificial lights, most often

flourescent, and then go out each year and get a burn by not building up to

their tan slowly! Further, the naked eye MUST get at least two hours a day

of UV daily to maintain " reproductive vigor " an excellent indicator of good

health. That means no contacts, no glasses, no sunglasses. The UV gives

messages to the pineal which then directs other glands in LIFE SUSTAINING

functions.

>

> Dese is da facts, jacques, like em or lump em! Our techno-junkie society

is creating sickness with solarphobia! Now, we have a new tool for those of

us who don't get enough sunlight on our skin. The FIR lamp produces a

portion of the spectrum we NEED. When you sunbathe, remember that wonderful

" warm-to-the-bone " feeling? That is what the FIR lamp does! Everyone who has

tried my lamp has gone, " Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........!!!! " in less than 10

minutes.

>

> Every body pain exposed to it has departed. This includes, but is not

limited to conditions my friends, family and I have had diagnosed as

arthritis, bursitis, neuralgia, herneated disks, myospasms, and every other

vague, undiagnosed pain too. I have found that to work on a really bad,

chronic pain, it takes 60 minute treatments to really work well. Many minor

pains disappear in 15 minutes, but return in a day or two. But, since I have

every friend taking 60 minute treatments, after a few treatments, everyone

is from much better to all better,

> depending on what bothered them. Naturally, something like herneated disks

takes many more treatments than chronic back spasms, which for me took 3 60

minute treatments. The weather was too warm to use my lamp for the last

several weeks. My mom mentioned just 2 days ago that the treatments seem to

last even more after you've had a few.

>

> I can't speak highly enough of this FIR technology! I will not willingly

be without one ever again! I wholeheartedly recommend them to every human

being. They won't solve every problem humans have, but they seem to help

every human with something. As example, I have been detoxing for 18 months &

the skin on my face has some pores with bumps from stuff that never came to

the surface. To see if the FIR would help the skin on my face I gingerly

took a 30 minute treatment and..... my sinuses drained better than with the

Flonase steroid nose spray I

> use!

>

> The FIR penetrates 3-4 " into the body and helps whatever things it can

help. So, since very few of us eat & live a perfect life, I believe anyone

with any complaint should offer it to a FIR lamp to see what happens. At

minimum, it feels good and is harmless. At best, you are going to want to

buy one, as do many of my friends.

>

> Try t, you'll like it!

>

> jim

>

> patrick rodriguez wrote:

>

> > Jim. Is this like the lamps the Chiropractors have, or is it like a

> > infar-red sauna?

> > There are two models, Do you know the difference? are they two

different

> > lamps or one floor and desk? I am thinking of getting one, what do you

use

> > it for?

> >

>

> --

> " Coming events cast their shadows before. " --

>

> jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Free yourself!

> Get 1 month of FREE* Internet access from MSN!

> 1/6322/6/_/507288/_/963853313/

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self- help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

>

> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

> DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! :

>

> oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist

>

> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jim

After reading your post on the FIR lamp it seems to get the same results as

my Mineral Infa-Red Lamp called the CHI lamp whose origin and development

was in China. Are we talking about the same lamp? My CHI lamp gets

approximately the same results as the FIR Lamp. About 15 minutes and the

pain, indigestion or whatever is gone. I paid $595.00 retail from a guy who

really marks up his items for sale.

[Guest guest]

Saul,

Go for it! The MF model has a long list of maladies it helps that the TDP

doesn't. You will love the gizmo when you get it. It is one of those wonderful

things that is better than it has to be!

P.S.: I just got an email from Ed, and his last floor model in stock just sold.

Sorry I got someone's hopes up for a 3-day delivery.

jim

Saul Pressman wrote:

> Dear Jim,

>

> Sounds better and better !

> I want to go for the big one now !

>

> Best of Health!

> Dr. Saul

>

> URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

> email: saul@...

--

" Coming events cast their shadows before. " --

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>Dear Jim

>After reading your post on the FIR lamp it seems to get the same

>results as my Mineral Infa-Red Lamp called the CHI lamp whose

>origin and development was in China. Are we talking about the

>same lamp? My CHI lamp gets approximately the same results as

>the FIR Lamp. About 15 minutes and the pain, indigestion or

>whatever is gone. I paid $595.00 retail from a guy who really

>marks up his items for sale.

I'll jump in here to point out there are (at least) three versions

of the FIR lamp (aka CHI lamp) from China. The one being offered

at the special $799 price is the newest, and the most capable lamp,

selling elsewhere for $1495, or more.

For detailed information comparing the different lamp versions,

see :

Versions 1, 3, and MF (Mineral Far Infrared) machines :

http://www.findhealer.com/mall/telstar/fproducts.php3

http://www.findhealer.com/mall/telstar/fir2.php3

Advantages of the newer 'MF' Bio-spectrum machine :

http://www.findhealer.com/mall/telstar/I005.php3

Bill

[Guest guest]

,

It probably is. My FIR lamp is a " TDP mineral lamp. " The minerals referred to

are the rare earth minerals that emit FIR when bombarded with IR or certain

other frequencies. Does your lamp look anything like any of the pictures on Ed's

website? http://wwwcerebrex.com/tdplamps.html

If it does, then that is fairly certainly the same. Does your lamp have a black

plate in front of a heating plate that glows cherry red? The newer MF lamp, the

one now being offered for $799 uses some frequencies rather than a heating

plate, but they have to have that black plate covered with the reare earths.

These are called a " Multi-Frequency " lamp. But, they both emit FIR.

Further, the FIR spectrum of energy is what is measured as coming from the

fingertips of a qi gong healer. So, some people do call it a chi lamp. It's

fairly certain you have a FIR lamp.

jim

FAMANSON@... wrote:

> Dear Jim

> After reading your post on the FIR lamp it seems to get the same results as

> my Mineral Infa-Red Lamp called the CHI lamp whose origin and development

> was in China. Are we talking about the same lamp? My CHI lamp gets

> approximately the same results as the FIR Lamp. About 15 minutes and the

> pain, indigestion or whatever is gone. I paid $595.00 retail from a guy who

> really marks up his items for sale.

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds!

> 1. Fill in the brief application

> 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds

> 3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR

> 1/6630/6/_/507288/_/963880912/

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self- help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information

we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk.

Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take

responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold

yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here

without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health

care provider.

>

> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

> DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! :

>

> oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist

>

> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode.

--

" Coming events cast their shadows before. " --

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

[Guest guest]

Dear Jim. Affirmative. My lamp does have a black plate inside a guard

covering and you really don't see any red except a slight crevice behind the

black plate so I do believe, as you say, it is the same. Thanks

[Guest guest]

The docs for TDP MW lamp listed for $235 at Cerebrex say mineral plate

lasts for 1500 hours. Then what? Can the plate be replaced? Is there a

supplier? How much are they? Or do you have to replace the whole lamp? Does

anyone know the answer to these questions?

Jeanne Gagne

J & J Systems' Web Design

http://www.jjsystems.on.ca/

Get paid to surf the web with All Advantage.

http://www.alladvantage.com/home.asp?refid=faq249

[Guest guest]

Hello All, regarding TDP and MF lamps... the minerlized

black ceramic plate.... how... why does it have a life

span ... one is up to 10,000 hours and the other less.

Do the minerals detoriate some how???

Thanks mike slivinski

[Guest guest]

Jeanne,

I don't know what they cost, but yes they are available. Ed either knows or can

find out. I've seen mention of them somewhere, but no price was quoted.

jim

J Gagne wrote:

> The docs for TDP MW lamp listed for $235 at Cerebrex say mineral plate

> lasts for 1500 hours. Then what? Can the plate be replaced? Is there a

> supplier? How much are they? Or do you have to replace the whole lamp? Does

> anyone know the answer to these questions?

>

--

" Coming events cast their shadows before. " --

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience