Does mold exposure cause hypothalamic obesity?

January 20, 2006

Sure thing ! Loni

<toria@...> wrote: YOU'RE WELCOME, LONI--LET ME KNOW IF YOU GET

ON IT, & HOW IT WORKS FOR YOU,

OK?

VICTORIA

Re: [] Re: Does mold exposure cause " hypothalamic

> obesity " ?

>

>> Oh that's great to know-I will really try to get this then. Did your

>> fatigue deminish also?

>> I am struggling with working because I'm so tired all the time. We can't

>> make it without me working. We are going to sell the house next year but

>> in the meantime, I have to figure out how to work. Hmmm. It will be a

>> task

>> to find someone I think.

>>

>> Loni

>>

>> carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

>> The only thing I did (and I sauned a lot)that helped to clear my

>> mind enough to work again was cholestramine- and I only started it

>> many months into my recovery- it made such a big difference- I think

>> it is worth your going to any length to try it- you don;t have to

>> stay on it for long- if you take it 4x a day - a few weeks should

>> help emensly---

>>

>> In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote:

>>>

>>> The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would

>> prescribe CSM & I think that would be hard since my cholerterol is

>> so low. The environ doc said that sauna would be helpful. I don't

>> know for sure but that is what he said. Loni

>>>

>>> carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just

>> have a cholesterol heavy meal some other

>>> time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are

>>> that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the

>>> cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with

>> some

>>> fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach

>> and

>>> into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some

>>> other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much-

>>> it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated

>>>

>>> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

>>> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that

>> is

>>> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

>>> >

>>> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

>>> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

>>> chelation

>>> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

>>> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would

>> say..

>>> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

>>> >

>>> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in

>> the

>>> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

>>> through

>>> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes..

>> This

>>> is

>>> > what I have read..

>>> >

>>> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

>>> >

>>> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

>>> >

January 20, 2006

thanks.

Re: [] Re: Does mold exposure cause " hypothalamic

>> obesity " ?

>>

>>> Oh that's great to know-I will really try to get this then. Did your

>>> fatigue deminish also?

>>> I am struggling with working because I'm so tired all the time. We

>>> can't

>>> make it without me working. We are going to sell the house next year but

>>> in the meantime, I have to figure out how to work. Hmmm. It will be a

>>> task

>>> to find someone I think.

>>>

>>> Loni

>>>

>>> carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

>>> The only thing I did (and I sauned a lot)that helped to clear my

>>> mind enough to work again was cholestramine- and I only started it

>>> many months into my recovery- it made such a big difference- I think

>>> it is worth your going to any length to try it- you don;t have to

>>> stay on it for long- if you take it 4x a day - a few weeks should

>>> help emensly---

>>>

>>> In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would

>>> prescribe CSM & I think that would be hard since my cholerterol is

>>> so low. The environ doc said that sauna would be helpful. I don't

>>> know for sure but that is what he said. Loni

>>>>

>>>> carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just

>>> have a cholesterol heavy meal some other

>>>> time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are

>>>> that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the

>>>> cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with

>>> some

>>>> fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach

>>> and

>>>> into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some

>>>> other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much-

>>>> it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated

>>>>

>>>> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

>>>> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that

>>> is

>>>> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

>>>> >

>>>> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

>>>> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

>>>> chelation

>>>> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

>>>> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would

>>> say..

>>>> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

>>>> >

>>>> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in

>>> the

>>>> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

>>>> through

>>>> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes..

>>> This

>>>> is

>>>> > what I have read..

>>>> >

>>>> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

>>>> >

>>>> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

>>>> >

January 20, 2006

I plan on washing my bedding in borax and other things but will it

help if I hepa vac my matress? I can't throw everything out b/c I

won't have $$ to replace it. I wonder how much spores the air

scrubbers that the mold cleanup guy is putting in my house will get

them nasties. I have now a Eureka hepa filterization vaccum and

will vac with it Sat. I will start washing bedding etc once they do

the cleanup. I have valances on windows and will wash them too. I

have felt really crappy the last two days and it's been warm here in

NC. They even said on tv that molds are growing like wildfire b/c

of the moist, warm temps. Isn't that lovely.

Well, I wonder if I'll ever get an appetite back. Strangely for me

I can't smell very good but can smell chemicals. Like the air

purifiers I bought have that VOC smell coming off them and I'm

trying to help the air. The heater smells that smell too. I have

gotten a burnt smell in my nose before which is bizzare. If I stop

swelling up in the face will be a miracle itself. So tired of

getting up and all swelled in face. Never fell rested not matter

what and my first symptoms were sleep problems then came along

tremors, dizziness, cognitive dysfunction, memory problems, joint

pain, pins/needles sensations, shocking on head/face/neck, pain from

head to toe, numbness from head to toe and major fatigue. And

whatever else. I def. have gotten worse since heat came on from

doing better on LDN for a year. I'm still going to take the LDN.

Oh, my legs would turn jello too but haven't in a while.

OK, had to update my paypal account so I can now order Shoemakers

book. One for me and one for my neuro but I hope I'm not wasting my

money b/c he may not be intersted in reading it or talking to Dr.

Shoemaker to help me. I won't have the $$$ either for deductible

and 20% but maybe I can work out something about payments.

Rhonda

--- In , jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@y...>

wrote:

>

> Just wanted to mention that we threw away our old mattresses and

furniture a few days ago and have been sleeping on the floor. Though

I am getting some stiffness due to this, but I have more energy,

head clearing, more appetite etc. I just couldn't believe that

mattress ruined my life for the past 5 years ! I also lose weight

very easily and this has been happening for several years.

>

> Jay

>

January 25, 2006

I looked it up & it amplifies dopamine, a neurotransmitte in the brain so that's

why you feel better. It is an antiviral drug. When you take this, how long is

the effect? I take a neurotransmitter suppliment but the effects are short

lived. I assume because I'm too toxic. Chemicals kill the benefit quickly. I

also need to take Sam E with it & I can't process the sulfer (liver damage).

Such as life. Loni

<toria@...> wrote: i have the INTENSE fatigue too....my neuro

has me on amantadine. it helps

ALOT.

take care,

victoria

Re: [] Re: Does mold exposure cause " hypothalamic

obesity " ?

> Oh that's great to know-I will really try to get this then. Did your

> fatigue deminish also?

> I am struggling with working because I'm so tired all the time. We can't

> make it without me working. We are going to sell the house next year but

> in the meantime, I have to figure out how to work. Hmmm. It will be a task

> to find someone I think.

>

> Loni

>

> carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

> The only thing I did (and I sauned a lot)that helped to clear my

> mind enough to work again was cholestramine- and I only started it

> many months into my recovery- it made such a big difference- I think

> it is worth your going to any length to try it- you don;t have to

> stay on it for long- if you take it 4x a day - a few weeks should

> help emensly---

>

> In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote:

>>

>> The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would

> prescribe CSM & I think that would be hard since my cholerterol is

> so low. The environ doc said that sauna would be helpful. I don't

> know for sure but that is what he said. Loni

>>

>> carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just

> have a cholesterol heavy meal some other

>> time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are

>> that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the

>> cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with

> some

>> fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach

> and

>> into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some

>> other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much-

>> it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated

>>

>> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

>> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that

> is

>> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

>> >

>> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

>> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

>> chelation

>> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

>> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would

> say..

>> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

>> >

>> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in

> the

>> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

>> through

>> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes..

> This

>> is

>> > what I have read..

>> >

>> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

>> >

>> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

>> >

January 25, 2006

Does it do anything for MSH, VEGF?

Dopamine agonists might help - a lot - with some aspects of mold

illness, (Just look at all the ADD/ADHD kids who they put on

psychostimulants who improve academically, even in moldy schools)

-but I think a person with long term mycotoxin exposure (usually an

adult by that time) would still run into SERIOUS problems with all

sorts of things (ENERGY LEVEL) unless those OTHER systems were

addressed..

However, from what I have read, amantadine does do some positive

things in the immune system, but not being a doctor, its way over my

head.

January 25, 2006

There are a few options that are lower in cost. One is to get some poly sheeting

at the

Hardware store, it comes on a roll. If you cover the top and sides it works

pretty well at

keeping the stuff out of your face, it is what many New Zealanders have done.

You duct

tape it around the edges on the bottom side of the mattress.

JC Penneys have some inexpensive mattress covers that are a laminate bonded to

fabric

that zips on. Also there are vinyl ones that zip on. Those depend on how

sensitive the

person sleeping on it is to the smell. I get sick from vinyl until it outgasses,

so for

example, with shower curtains, I hang them in the garage for a week or so. I let

my pillow

covers from Penneys air out in a separate room, then washed them, now they are

in a

drawer for awhile, until I get comfortable with the smell.

> Just wanted to mention that we threw away our old mattresses and furniture a

few days

ago and have been sleeping on the floor. Though I am getting some stiffness due

to this,

but I have more energy, head clearing, more appetite etc. I just couldn't

believe that

mattress ruined my life for the past 5 years ! I also lose weight very easily

and this has

been happening for several years.

>

> Jay

>

> Serena

>

> There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise.

> ...Ayn Rand,

paraphrased

>

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January 27, 2006

Loni,

Have you tried 5-HTP ? I use Now brand in the early evening, or

sometimes twice a day, and it's pretty good. Its a precursor of

serotonin.. (not a drug)

On 1/26/06, Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:

> My family wants me to try the antidepressants (because the MD's can't find

what's wrong & they go right to the SSRI's) but I feel the same as you, I don't

need any more poison, I can't survive it. I wish I could make them understand,

The last exposure that causes major damage to mucous membrane & I lost 20 lbs.

Had an argument with my husband over it & he said why don't I try it. I get

close to saying what the hell, get them off of my back, but I don't want to kill

myself because I am so weak & fragile right now. Wouldn't take much. With SSRI

drugs anyway you have to have some of the seritonin for it to work. It takes

what you have & keeps it active. Does anyone know the best way to test for

neurotransmitters. Serena, I agree with you very strongly. Loni

>

January 27, 2006

Yes I am taking that. It's in the Neuro Replete that I take for rebuilding

Neurotransmitters. My doc says I need the sulfer (Sam E) to make it do it's job.

Well it does work much better but my liver cannot metabolize sulfer so I get

more toxic & have pain.

So you get a good result from Now's 5HTP? Do you have more energy during the

day from taking it? I get up in the am & an hour later I'm severely fatigued for

the rest of the day. I take a nap, then take the Neuro Replete or I also take

Neuro Optimizer & it helps a little for a awhile, then back to bed. I have so

many things to do & can't get hardly anything accomplished. Have to teenagers to

run around too. Loni

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