Does mold exposure cause hypothalamic obesity?

January 5, 2006

With all the talk about making patients responsible for their own

health and shifting the costs from healthcare off of employers and on

to the healthcare consumer, its obvious that the long term financial

cost to even employed and insured people of the health issues caused

by their mold exposure are going to be substantial, even

life-wrecking. I am talking about the damage to the alpha-MSH receptor

cells in their ventromedial hypothalamus. This causes chaos in the

body.. and major health issues, for the rest of one's life. It could

easily result in somebody being labelled as unhealthy and hence, being

unable to get a decent job.

So, if the mold exposure was forced on to them - should they be the

ones paying this price?

It seems inclreasingly clear that this damage caused to the

ventromedial hypothalamus, which disrupts modulation of the autonomic

nervous system by nutrient and hormonal signals, is one of the primary

mechanisms by which mold damages people's health. This damage looks

more and more like it could often be one of the primary causes of what

is called " hypothalamic obesity " . Among other things. It also seems to

damage people's libido, majorly so, as well as make it impossibole for

them to get a good nights sleep.

Ever again.

Which plays havoc with the immune system.

This is one of the main points Dr. Shoemaker makes in Mold Warriors,

but its rarely discussed here. It seems to be where people should be

concentrating their efforts, because this damage is lifetime damage.

How much is your sex life - for the rest of your life, worth?

January 5, 2006

I wonder if taking hypothalmus supportive suppliments would help to produce some

of these hormones? Anyone tried this? Loni

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: With all the talk about making

patients responsible for their own

health and shifting the costs from healthcare off of employers and on

to the healthcare consumer, its obvious that the long term financial

cost to even employed and insured people of the health issues causedon

by their mold exposure are going to be substantial, even

life-wrecking. I am talking about the damage to the alpha-MSH receptor

cells in their ventromedial hypothalamus. This causes chaos in the

body.. and major health issues, for the rest of one's life. It could

easily result in somebody being labelled as unhealthy and hence, being

unable to get a decent job.

So, if the mold exposure was forced on to them - should they be the

ones paying this price?

It seems inclreasingly clear that this damage caused to the

ventromedial hypothalamus, which disrupts modulation of the autonomic

nervous system by nutrient and hormonal signals, is one of the primary

mechanisms by which mold damages people's health. This damage looks

more and more like it could often be one of the primary causes of what

is called " hypothalamic obesity " . Among other things. It also seems to

damage people's libido, majorly so, as well as make it impossibole for

them to get a good nights sleep.

Ever again.

Which plays havoc with the immune system.

This is one of the main points Dr. Shoemaker makes in Mold Warriors,

but its rarely discussed here. It seems to be where people should be

concentrating their efforts, because this damage is lifetime damage.

How much is your sex life - for the rest of your life, worth?

FAIR USE NOTICE:

January 5, 2006

Has anyone tried major detox, maybe chelation, sauna to get the organs working

to some degree again??? Loni

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: With all the talk about making

patients responsible for their own

health and shifting the costs from healthcare off of employers and on

to the healthcare consumer, its obvious that the long term financial

cost to even employed and insured people of the health issues caused

by their mold exposure are going to be substantial, even

life-wrecking. I am talking about the damage to the alpha-MSH receptor

cells in their ventromedial hypothalamus. This causes chaos in the

body.. and major health issues, for the rest of one's life. It could

easily result in somebody being labelled as unhealthy and hence, being

unable to get a decent job.

So, if the mold exposure was forced on to them - should they be the

ones paying this price?

It seems inclreasingly clear that this damage caused to the

ventromedial hypothalamus, which disrupts modulation of the autonomic

nervous system by nutrient and hormonal signals, is one of the primary

mechanisms by which mold damages people's health. This damage looks

more and more like it could often be one of the primary causes of what

is called " hypothalamic obesity " . Among other things. It also seems to

damage people's libido, majorly so, as well as make it impossibole for

them to get a good nights sleep.

Ever again.

Which plays havoc with the immune system.

This is one of the main points Dr. Shoemaker makes in Mold Warriors,

but its rarely discussed here. It seems to be where people should be

concentrating their efforts, because this damage is lifetime damage.

How much is your sex life - for the rest of your life, worth?

FAIR USE NOTICE:

January 6, 2006

Oooooh, it does a whole lot more than make you disinterested in sex. Even if

you were interested, the fatigue would pretty much take care of any real

ambition. Some people gain weight, some people don't. I was one who lost weight.

The MSH problems have been discussed here, back before you joined (Oh god how

I wish we had a threaded forum!). There is some work being done on an injectable

form of MSH, but it's not available in this country. Apparently, the next best

thing is procrit, but just try getting that through your insurance! They fight

you every step of the way. I'm going 10 rounds with them right now. They will

either come across like decent people, or I will sue for it them and win, or

last resort, I will go to Australia or another country where I have friends an

MSH is legal and available. Then I will sue the responsible parties for the

cost of it all anyway. I understand there are groups of bodybuilders who bring

it here illegally, but I don't think I want any part of that. I want whatever I

do about this to be clear and above board and right in their faces. They don't

have the right to cripple me like this and then ignore it. I _will_ have some

justice, trust me.

Thing is - if you don't have the genetic problem with low MSH, then you get to

recover and get on with life. You clear up the toxins, and your hypothalamus

recovers and gets on with its business. So it's not like this is something that

every moldie will have to deal with forever or anything. I just feel it's the

worst of the poisoning effects because it causes so many other problems, any one

of which would be a whole diagnosis on its own. You'd think the endocrinologists

would have wigged this one out on their own, but apparently not...

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

With all the talk about making patients responsible for their own

health and shifting the costs from healthcare off of employers and on

to the healthcare consumer, its obvious that the long term financial

cost to even employed and insured people of the health issues caused

by their mold exposure are going to be substantial, even

life-wrecking. I am talking about the damage to the alpha-MSH receptor

cells in their ventromedial hypothalamus. This causes chaos in the

body.. and major health issues, for the rest of one's life. It could

easily result in somebody being labelled as unhealthy and hence, being

unable to get a decent job.

So, if the mold exposure was forced on to them - should they be the

ones paying this price?

It seems inclreasingly clear that this damage caused to the

ventromedial hypothalamus, which disrupts modulation of the autonomic

nervous system by nutrient and hormonal signals, is one of the primary

mechanisms by which mold damages people's health. This damage looks

more and more like it could often be one of the primary causes of what

is called " hypothalamic obesity " . Among other things. It also seems to

damage people's libido, majorly so, as well as make it impossibole for

them to get a good nights sleep.

Ever again.

Which plays havoc with the immune system.

This is one of the main points Dr. Shoemaker makes in Mold Warriors,

but its rarely discussed here. It seems to be where people should be

concentrating their efforts, because this damage is lifetime damage.

How much is your sex life - for the rest of your life, worth?

FAIR USE NOTICE:

January 6, 2006

The major de-tox and chelation as far as the Drs I have seen- is

supposed to be accomplished with Cholestramine

With all the talk about

making patients responsible for their own

> health and shifting the costs from healthcare off of employers and

on

> to the healthcare consumer, its obvious that the long term

financial

> cost to even employed and insured people of the health issues

caused

> by their mold exposure are going to be substantial, even

> life-wrecking. I am talking about the damage to the alpha-MSH

receptor

> cells in their ventromedial hypothalamus. This causes chaos in the

> body.. and major health issues, for the rest of one's life. It

could

> easily result in somebody being labelled as unhealthy and hence,

being

> unable to get a decent job.

>

> So, if the mold exposure was forced on to them - should they be the

> ones paying this price?

>

> It seems inclreasingly clear that this damage caused to the

> ventromedial hypothalamus, which disrupts modulation of the

autonomic

> nervous system by nutrient and hormonal signals, is one of the

primary

> mechanisms by which mold damages people's health. This damage looks

> more and more like it could often be one of the primary causes of

what

> is called " hypothalamic obesity " . Among other things. It also

seems to

> damage people's libido, majorly so, as well as make it impossibole

for

> them to get a good nights sleep.

>

> Ever again.

>

> Which plays havoc with the immune system.

>

> This is one of the main points Dr. Shoemaker makes in Mold

Warriors,

> but its rarely discussed here. It seems to be where people should

be

> concentrating their efforts, because this damage is lifetime

damage.

>

> How much is your sex life - for the rest of your life, worth?

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

January 6, 2006

I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

" Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that is

sometimes used.. (EDTA)

It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual chelation

has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would say..

like mercury and lead.. etc.

The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in the

bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted through

the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes.. This is

what I have read..

It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

January 6, 2006

Thw lasr Dr I saw used the word chelation with reguards to

cholestramine- do not know the exact def;

>

> I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

> " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that is

> sometimes used.. (EDTA)

>

> It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

> something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

chelation

> has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

> biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would say..

> like mercury and lead.. etc.

>

> The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in the

> bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

through

> the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes.. This

is

> what I have read..

>

> It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

>

January 6, 2006

Here's a definition.

Medicine. To remove (a heavy metal, such as lead or mercury) from the

bloodstream by means of a chelate, such as EDTA.

I guess it can't rightly be called chelation. " Detox " seems accurate enough, I

guess. It makes me think of drunk tanks and famous Betty Ford alumni, but then,

they're poisoned, too. I suspect they had a lot more fun getting this way than

we did, but think about it - they shake, they sweat, get dizzy, lose

coordination, feel like there are bugs on their skin, wired and tired, feel

nauseated. Not so different, I guess, except they want more of it and we can't

get shed of it quickly enough to suit us.

Serena

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January 6, 2006

Chelation is used for heavy metals & removing plaque from arteries. It does take

out other minerals too so replacement of them is important. My environ doc said

it will take out mycotoxins & other chemicals but env docs do not use this

method due to the damage it COULD cause to the kidneys. I am investigating,

however, because I cannot use CSM due to my low low cholesterol. 127 overall

last blood test. I believe the low cholesterol is due to the mycotoxins

damaging my liver & I'm just not making it. Can't eat foods high in cholesterol

due to my allergies. Because my cholesterol is low, my hormones are low & I am

very fatigued due to that also.

I'm going to the gym to try sauna for detox but have trouble sweating. ADH is

pretty much non existance. I drink water in the sauna but this dry heat is just

not working for me. I'd like to do the sauna if it worked because the skin is

the largest elimination organ & we hardly use it. The other organs seem to get

used & abused.

I guess there is an oral EDTA that would be slower & easier on the kidneys but

not sure that it would work well.

Loni

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

" Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that is

sometimes used.. (EDTA)

It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual chelation

has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would say..

like mercury and lead.. etc.

The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in the

bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted through

the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes.. This is

what I have read..

It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

FAIR USE NOTICE:

January 6, 2006

Loni,

I'm not a doctor, so this is just speculation, but maybe you could try

diluted *low dose* cholestyramine over a longer period? I'm just

thinking that if you could get those initial worst toxins out, that

might improve your overall status. Why doesn't your doctor want you to

get better? Maybe there is something I don;t know here.. but..

Or, alternatively, just for a little while, eat high-cholesterol

foods, like eggs, to get your level UP, and then do cholestyramine,

then after that first few weeks, go back to your low-cholesterol

regular diet.. Eating lots of fats during that time would actually

help the cholestyramine bind more bile acids, I'd think, because your

liver makes more bile when you eat fatty foods.. which is then

'bound' by the cholestyramine, with its burden of absorbed biotoxins..

Cholesterol isn't as bad as they say, many are realizing, by the way..

in fact, it has many vital roles..or so I've heard.

People with extremely low cholesterol have trouble making steroid

hormones, like testosterone and estrogen, I would think.. It might

also delay puberty or stop menstruation..

In some cases, like in China during the Great Leap Forward famine

years.. it can even make people infertile for years.. (Birthrates

didn't return to normal until the mid to late 1960s, the famine was

1958-62 and ended in 1963ish with the abandonment of forced

collectivization)

Natures way of contraception?

January 6, 2006

I would use the CSm, just have a cholesterol heavy meal some other

time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are

that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the

cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with some

fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach and

into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some

other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much-

it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated

> I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

> " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that is

> sometimes used.. (EDTA)

>

> It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

> something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

chelation

> has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

> biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would say..

> like mercury and lead.. etc.

>

> The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in the

> bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

through

> the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes.. This

is

> what I have read..

>

> It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

January 6, 2006

The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would prescribe CSM & I

think that would be hard since my cholerterol is so low. The environ doc said

that sauna would be helpful. I don't know for sure but that is what he said.

Loni

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just have a

cholesterol heavy meal some other

time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are

that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the

cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with some

fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach and

into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some

other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much-

it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated

> I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

> " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that is

> sometimes used.. (EDTA)

>

> It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

> something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

chelation

> has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

> biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would say..

> like mercury and lead.. etc.

>

> The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in the

> bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

through

> the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes.. This

is

> what I have read..

>

> It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

January 6, 2006

The only thing I did (and I sauned a lot)that helped to clear my

mind enough to work again was cholestramine- and I only started it

many months into my recovery- it made such a big difference- I think

it is worth your going to any length to try it- you don;t have to

stay on it for long- if you take it 4x a day - a few weeks should

help emensly---

In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote:

>

> The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would

prescribe CSM & I think that would be hard since my cholerterol is

so low. The environ doc said that sauna would be helpful. I don't

know for sure but that is what he said. Loni

>

> carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just

have a cholesterol heavy meal some other

> time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are

> that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the

> cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with

some

> fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach

and

> into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some

> other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much-

> it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated

>

> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that

is

> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

> >

> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

> chelation

> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would

say..

> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

> >

> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in

the

> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

> through

> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes..

This

> is

> > what I have read..

> >

> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

> >

> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> >

January 6, 2006

Oh that's great to know-I will really try to get this then. Did your fatigue

deminish also?

I am struggling with working because I'm so tired all the time. We can't make

it without me working. We are going to sell the house next year but in the

meantime, I have to figure out how to work. Hmmm. It will be a task to find

someone I think.

Loni

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

The only thing I did (and I sauned a lot)that helped to clear my

mind enough to work again was cholestramine- and I only started it

many months into my recovery- it made such a big difference- I think

it is worth your going to any length to try it- you don;t have to

stay on it for long- if you take it 4x a day - a few weeks should

help emensly---

In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote:

>

> The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would

prescribe CSM & I think that would be hard since my cholerterol is

so low. The environ doc said that sauna would be helpful. I don't

know for sure but that is what he said. Loni

>

> carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just

have a cholesterol heavy meal some other

> time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are

> that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the

> cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with

some

> fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach

and

> into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some

> other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much-

> it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated

>

> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that

is

> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

> >

> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

> chelation

> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would

say..

> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

> >

> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in

the

> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

> through

> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes..

This

> is

> > what I have read..

> >

> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

> >

> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> >

January 6, 2006

-yes, I woul say that my ability to recover from any type of

exercise did improve

-- In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...>

wrote:

>

> Oh that's great to know-I will really try to get this then. Did

your fatigue deminish also?

> I am struggling with working because I'm so tired all the time.

We can't make it without me working. We are going to sell the house

next year but in the meantime, I have to figure out how to work.

Hmmm. It will be a task to find someone I think.

>

> Loni

>

> carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote:

> The only thing I did (and I sauned a lot)that helped to clear my

> mind enough to work again was cholestramine- and I only started it

> many months into my recovery- it made such a big difference- I

think

> it is worth your going to any length to try it- you don;t have to

> stay on it for long- if you take it 4x a day - a few weeks should

> help emensly---

>

> In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote:

> >

> > The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would

> prescribe CSM & I think that would be hard since my cholerterol is

> so low. The environ doc said that sauna would be helpful. I don't

> know for sure but that is what he said. Loni

> >

> > carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just

> have a cholesterol heavy meal some other

> > time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are

> > that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the

> > cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with

> some

> > fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach

> and

> > into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal

some

> > other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol

much-

> > it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated

> >

> > > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

> > > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* -

that

> is

> > > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

> > >

> > > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

> > > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

> > chelation

> > > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

> > > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would

> say..

> > > like mercury and lead.. etc.

> > >

> > > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in

> the

> > > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

> > through

> > > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes..

> This

> > is

> > > what I have read..

> > >

> > > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

> > >

> > > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> > >

January 8, 2006

Serena,

Regarding MSH in Australia! Are your friends getting better who are on it

there??

Can doctors here get it from Australia. We can get drugs from Canada so why

not?

Has anyone or doc checked into this. Does this MSH normalize the immune

system?

What do bodybuilders do with that hormone????

Loni

SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: