Does mold exposure cause hypothalamic obesity?

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LiveSimply wrote:

>

> Serena,

> personally, I have eaten through my financial resources and I can't

> make more money until I get better.

>

If you are in a place that requires major remediation to be

liveable, the experience of those of us who tried and failed says

that it is more likely that you will just continue to become more

ill until you have no other option but to crawl out or take your

last breath.

Our experience indicates that it is better to make the jump sooner

than later.

Even if the place was successfully remediated, it would take a long

time before the ambient toxin level denatures - and your recovery

will probably be very slow.

If you went all-out on avoidance instead of persisting in a place

that needs major work, your chances of improving swiftly and

returning to work are greatly increased.

-

[Guest guest]

Quack, I'm sorry I " yelled " at you. Sort of. I'd do it again, if I thought it

would help you focus a little more so you could get better. (It might not be the

best thing. It's definitely no a nice thing. It's just the only way I've figured

to cut through the fog.)

I do understand your landlord is a bum. But he's not helping you. I understand

Katrina is a terrible thing. That's where my family is from, and they are sick.

I even understand your thinking that a degree can be helpful in getting

employment. But it's not mandatory. I didn't have one for well over 40 years.

Remember that I have never, NEVER said that anything is your fault. It's not

your fault. But it IS your responsibility to help yourself. That's a different

concept altogether. Being in mold will make you stone crazy, and the danger is

that you will, because of it, not be able to take responsibility and do what

needs doing. To be " responsible " means, " able to respond " . The illness can and

will leave you in that condition.

You don't have a philosphical problem. (Well, maybe you do, but we can argue

about that later when you feel better. ; ) You have a very real and present

survival problem. I am worried about it _because_ you keep wandering off into

the ozone. The illness can cause that. Did it to me, too. I know that you don't

want to go, but if you could stay with a friend or relative for a little while

or something, it might help clear your mind so you can really get on this and BE

able to respond. Right? This isn't likely to be any fun for you, but the beauty

of this group is that you can hook it up whever you happen to be. (Ask Bob. He's

gotten very good at it.)

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

Serena,

First, let me apologize for ranting at you.. You know, I think you

were right when you said that I am probably being effected by the

mold.. I was just sitting in my bathroom and you know, I can tell that

its true because I just finished cleaning and I was getting what can

only be described as mild visual field distortions.. almost borderline

hallucinations.. And this is with all the windows open and fans on..

Arrgh...

Someone else wrote me a letter in solodarity and here is what I

replied to her which perhaps gets to the point of what i was trying to

say..

_____________cut here________

Thank you,

I just don't see the moving option as being a realistic one for many

people except as a LAST resort. Because often, people don't have

anywhere to move TO.

___to Serena____

(Really, Serena, this is TRUE. If you don't believe me, look at the

mess left by Katrina - the RUINED LIVES - I am sure that many older

people will DIE without a place to live. The system is BROKEN,

profoundly broken. It is often NOT poor people's fault they are poor.

They never had a chance. Really. Not one chance in 100. And we are in

denial about where its going. Because good jobs are going away for

good.

The system is broken and we are unwilling to look at the real reasons

why because - surprise, we are next in line for disenfranchisement..

nobody wants to realize that..)

__return to letter___

personally, I have eaten through my financial resources and I can't

make more money until I get better.

That means landlord cleaning up place. Other landlords do it. I pay

good money for my apartment, probably much more than most people on

the list do for their spaces. (almost $1400/month)

I live in a multi-unit apartment under rent control. Almost all the

other housing units in my neighborhood are also rental stock. As a

whole, the rents in my building are comparable to others in the

neighborhood. However, our building is perhaps the worst maintained.

Our house is the only house on our block that consistantly floods. Our

landlord doesn't do practically any real maintenance and for years we

have been on our own. At this point, our building *smells*. The

Department of Building Inspection has issued them an ultimatum, which

they are ignoring. The Department of Health has also cited them for

the mold.

I don't know what it is but there is something wrong with these people.

*I have always been a good tenant* in places I have lived and tried to

keep up the buildings. Before I moved here I was healthy and didn't

even have any allergies, now I am in terrible health. For many years i

had no idea what was causing my decline into sickness.

Now it is obvious, as you can see the effect on my of having fans

blowing fresh air in (freezing cold) vs. no fans. (illness) I don't

have a degree, so I can't really get a corporate job with decent

insurance in this economy until I recover. For people with degrees,

its a lot easier. They don't understand this, though. How hard it is

for the formerly middle class working people of this country. because

they are profoundly alone.

Serena's .sig file quotes Ayn Rand, which implies to me that she has

an agenda to some extent. Perhaps I have an agenda too, but its not

the one some are trying to pin on me.

I just think that it is the *landlord's* responsibility to provide a

safe living space as their part of the contract between them and a

tenant. If they deliberately try to shirk that responsibility to save

money, that might be forgivable IF they cleaned up their act when they

realized that they were making people SICK. But if anything, that has

made my landlord worse. Which to me makes them a PREDATOR. A slumlord.

A killer.

Thats wrong.. they are completely evil to do that.. I feel that its my

obligation to fight people like that.

Thats all.

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,

To be honest, I'm gradually coming to this same conclusion. You put

this good advice very well..

And I am thinking about this a lot. Really, as I am now feeling ill,

(and increasingly, often nauseous quite a bit when I am in cars) I am

having it rubbed in my face..

But as this is clearly my landlord's goal -to force us and the other

older tenants in the building, time - and rent wise, out, and also

since its clearly *their* fault, they are laughing at me.. I am sure.

Its complicated..

If people like me just leave and let them get away with doing this,

then we are all f---ed.. (excuse my 'french'.) and might as well just

dig our graves now and get it over with..

Look, I have the same issues as the other people here, with the

exception of children.. (God, then i would be losing it.. seriously)

My main concern is - is this health damage - in particularly the

neurological issues I have now - permanent? You know how it goes and I

am listening to your advice..

Health is the most important thing...Everything else, even legal

issues, are secondary..

Thank you, all of you for caring..

On 1/8/06, erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

> LiveSimply wrote:

> >

> > Serena,

> > personally, I have eaten through my financial resources and I can't

> > make more money until I get better.

> >

>

> If you are in a place that requires major remediation to be

> liveable, the experience of those of us who tried and failed says

> that it is more likely that you will just continue to become more

> ill until you have no other option but to crawl out or take your

> last breath.

>

> Our experience indicates that it is better to make the jump sooner

> than later.

>

> Even if the place was successfully remediated, it would take a long

> time before the ambient toxin level denatures - and your recovery

> will probably be very slow.

> If you went all-out on avoidance instead of persisting in a place

> that needs major work, your chances of improving swiftly and

> returning to work are greatly increased.

> -

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had 4 moldy places, 3 landlords and they all were slumlords and

these were not cheap places. They were all wrong as all I wanted was

them to clean the mold. We learned as we went along having to move

so many times. We didn't have the money, and had to throw away our

belongings several times. You can worry about the justice later and

just find a safe place. I was going to school and had big plans

before this-- but since I was in the mold too long, I can barely

visit someone now without problems. I will never be able to work. Do

you have the chemical sensitivity yet? I finally got away from the

mold but now can't live with fragrance of any kind, cooking causes

such pain, etc. It is very hard work, but it is worth leaving. I

am not in pain every minute like when I was in the mold. I get the

pain when my neighbor does laundry or when I try to go to the grocery

store, or or when my husband cooks, etc. And of course I live with

the damage that the mold did on my body, lungs, sinusus, neurological

problems, muscle pain. My husband seems to be much better, atleast

he can work.

> Serena,

>

> First, let me apologize for ranting at you.. You know, I think you

> were right when you said that I am probably being effected by the

> mold.. I was just sitting in my bathroom and you know, I can tell

that

> its true because I just finished cleaning and I was getting what can

> only be described as mild visual field distortions.. almost

borderline

> hallucinations.. And this is with all the windows open and fans on..

>

> Arrgh...

>

> Someone else wrote me a letter in solodarity and here is what I

> replied to her which perhaps gets to the point of what i was trying

to

> say..

> _____________cut here________

>

> Thank you,

>

> I just don't see the moving option as being a realistic one for many

> people except as a LAST resort. Because often, people don't have

> anywhere to move TO.

>

> ___to Serena____

>

> (Really, Serena, this is TRUE. If you don't believe me, look at the

> mess left by Katrina - the RUINED LIVES - I am sure that many older

> people will DIE without a place to live. The system is BROKEN,

> profoundly broken. It is often NOT poor people's fault they are

poor.

> They never had a chance. Really. Not one chance in 100. And we are

in

> denial about where its going. Because good jobs are going away for

> good.

>

> The system is broken and we are unwilling to look at the real

reasons

> why because - surprise, we are next in line for disenfranchisement..

> nobody wants to realize that..)

>

> __return to letter___

>

> personally, I have eaten through my financial resources and I can't

> make more money until I get better.

>

> That means landlord cleaning up place. Other landlords do it. I pay

> good money for my apartment, probably much more than most people on

> the list do for their spaces. (almost $1400/month)

>

> I live in a multi-unit apartment under rent control. Almost all the

> other housing units in my neighborhood are also rental stock. As a

> whole, the rents in my building are comparable to others in the

> neighborhood. However, our building is perhaps the worst maintained.

>

> Our house is the only house on our block that consistantly floods.

Our

> landlord doesn't do practically any real maintenance and for years

we

> have been on our own. At this point, our building *smells*. The

> Department of Building Inspection has issued them an ultimatum,

which

> they are ignoring. The Department of Health has also cited them for

> the mold.

>

> I don't know what it is but there is something wrong with these

people.

>

> *I have always been a good tenant* in places I have lived and tried

to

> keep up the buildings. Before I moved here I was healthy and didn't

> even have any allergies, now I am in terrible health. For many

years i

> had no idea what was causing my decline into sickness.

>

> Now it is obvious, as you can see the effect on my of having fans

> blowing fresh air in (freezing cold) vs. no fans. (illness) I don't

> have a degree, so I can't really get a corporate job with decent

> insurance in this economy until I recover. For people with degrees,

> its a lot easier. They don't understand this, though. How hard it is

> for the formerly middle class working people of this country.

because

> they are profoundly alone.

>

> Serena's .sig file quotes Ayn Rand, which implies to me that she has

> an agenda to some extent. Perhaps I have an agenda too, but its not

> the one some are trying to pin on me.

>

> I just think that it is the *landlord's* responsibility to provide a

> safe living space as their part of the contract between them and a

> tenant. If they deliberately try to shirk that responsibility to

save

> money, that might be forgivable IF they cleaned up their act when

they

> realized that they were making people SICK. But if anything, that

has

> made my landlord worse. Which to me makes them a PREDATOR. A

slumlord.

> A killer.

>

> Thats wrong.. they are completely evil to do that.. I feel that its

my

> obligation to fight people like that.

>

> Thats all.

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can relate to you . I am so struggling to work now. The stress of needing

to work is making my stress so much worse. My husband wants to put me on

antidepressants but I am so afraid that it will make me more toxic & get much

worse. He doesn't understand & thinks I should try it. The MD's can't find

anything wrong with me. I have no hormones,no energy, lots of mycotoxin

antibodies. I can't find a doc to put me on CSM because my cholesterol is too

low. I had to take my daughter to dance class & could hardly do that. Loni

ldelp84227 <ldelp84227@...> wrote:

I had 4 moldy places, 3 landlords and they all were slumlords and

these were not cheap places. They were all wrong as all I wanted was

them to clean the mold. We learned as we went along having to move

so many times. We didn't have the money, and had to throw away our

belongings several times. You can worry about the justice later and

just find a safe place. I was going to school and had big plans

before this-- but since I was in the mold too long, I can barely

visit someone now without problems. I will never be able to work. Do

you have the chemical sensitivity yet? I finally got away from the

mold but now can't live with fragrance of any kind, cooking causes

such pain, etc. It is very hard work, but it is worth leaving. I

am not in pain every minute like when I was in the mold. I get the

pain when my neighbor does laundry or when I try to go to the grocery

store, or or when my husband cooks, etc. And of course I live with

the damage that the mold did on my body, lungs, sinusus, neurological

problems, muscle pain. My husband seems to be much better, atleast

he can work.

> Serena,

>

> First, let me apologize for ranting at you.. You know, I think you

> were right when you said that I am probably being effected by the

> mold.. I was just sitting in my bathroom and you know, I can tell

that

> its true because I just finished cleaning and I was getting what can

> only be described as mild visual field distortions.. almost

borderline

> hallucinations.. And this is with all the windows open and fans on..

>

> Arrgh...

>

> Someone else wrote me a letter in solodarity and here is what I

> replied to her which perhaps gets to the point of what i was trying

to

> say..

> _____________cut here________

>

> Thank you,

>

> I just don't see the moving option as being a realistic one for many

> people except as a LAST resort. Because often, people don't have

> anywhere to move TO.

>

> ___to Serena____

>

> (Really, Serena, this is TRUE. If you don't believe me, look at the

> mess left by Katrina - the RUINED LIVES - I am sure that many older

> people will DIE without a place to live. The system is BROKEN,

> profoundly broken. It is often NOT poor people's fault they are

poor.

> They never had a chance. Really. Not one chance in 100. And we are

in

> denial about where its going. Because good jobs are going away for

> good.

>

> The system is broken and we are unwilling to look at the real

reasons

> why because - surprise, we are next in line for disenfranchisement..

> nobody wants to realize that..)

>

> __return to letter___

>

> personally, I have eaten through my financial resources and I can't

> make more money until I get better.

>

> That means landlord cleaning up place. Other landlords do it. I pay

> good money for my apartment, probably much more than most people on

> the list do for their spaces. (almost $1400/month)

>

> I live in a multi-unit apartment under rent control. Almost all the

> other housing units in my neighborhood are also rental stock. As a

> whole, the rents in my building are comparable to others in the

> neighborhood. However, our building is perhaps the worst maintained.

>

> Our house is the only house on our block that consistantly floods.

Our

> landlord doesn't do practically any real maintenance and for years

we

> have been on our own. At this point, our building *smells*. The

> Department of Building Inspection has issued them an ultimatum,

which

> they are ignoring. The Department of Health has also cited them for

> the mold.

>

> I don't know what it is but there is something wrong with these

people.

>

> *I have always been a good tenant* in places I have lived and tried

to

> keep up the buildings. Before I moved here I was healthy and didn't

> even have any allergies, now I am in terrible health. For many

years i

> had no idea what was causing my decline into sickness.

>

> Now it is obvious, as you can see the effect on my of having fans

> blowing fresh air in (freezing cold) vs. no fans. (illness) I don't

> have a degree, so I can't really get a corporate job with decent

> insurance in this economy until I recover. For people with degrees,

> its a lot easier. They don't understand this, though. How hard it is

> for the formerly middle class working people of this country.

because

> they are profoundly alone.

>

> Serena's .sig file quotes Ayn Rand, which implies to me that she has

> an agenda to some extent. Perhaps I have an agenda too, but its not

> the one some are trying to pin on me.

>

> I just think that it is the *landlord's* responsibility to provide a

> safe living space as their part of the contract between them and a

> tenant. If they deliberately try to shirk that responsibility to

save

> money, that might be forgivable IF they cleaned up their act when

they

> realized that they were making people SICK. But if anything, that

has

> made my landlord worse. Which to me makes them a PREDATOR. A

slumlord.

> A killer.

>

> Thats wrong.. they are completely evil to do that.. I feel that its

my

> obligation to fight people like that.

>

> Thats all.

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes that would be best but it is hard & seems at times that it will never

happen. But I need to keep positive, really hard. Loni

SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: As I understand it, yes. Very

expensive. And yet, people will buy it, just to dave themselves the trouble fo

getting a real tan. I think I'm willing to figure out how to afford it in order

to get better.

Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Oh I bet that is expensive. Loni

SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: It's not a lotion. It's an

injectable.

Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Geez, It seems like we should be able to

get some sun tan lotion from Australia. Loni

SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: Well, not everyone I know is a

friend. I don't even like everyone I know. What's so weird about that? I just

met some of these people while I was studying up on MSH.

Get your Mold Warriors out. It explains the whole thing with MSH. In part, it

controls the way your skin reacts to sunlight.

Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:

Hi Serena, A sunless tanner? Isn't MSH a hormone? That really sounds strange.

Are they not using it over there for treatment of the immune system? So I'm

confused a little. You know bodybuilders over there but they are not your

friends. What are they then? Loni

SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote:

Loni,

I don't have any friends in Australia with this illness. They're bodybuilders.

The Ozzies have developed MSH as a sunless tanner. Have you had your MSH levels

checked?

Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:

Serena,

Regarding MSH in Australia! Are your friends getting better who are on it

there??

Can doctors here get it from Australia. We can get drugs from Canada so why

not?

Has anyone or doc checked into this. Does this MSH normalize the immune

system?

What do bodybuilders do with that hormone????

Loni

Serena

There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise.

...Ayn Rand,

paraphrased

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Does going out in the sun a lot improve one's MSH? Or taking any

precursor nutrients, etc?

On his web site, Dr. Schaller says zinc supplements can improve MSH levels..

How much does it cost to have your MSH tested?

[Guest guest]

What about hypothalmus glandulars? Loni

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: Does going out in the sun a lot

improve one's MSH? Or taking any

precursor nutrients, etc?

On his web site, Dr. Schaller says zinc supplements can improve MSH levels..

How much does it cost to have your MSH tested?

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[Guest guest]

i have the INTENSE fatigue too....my neuro has me on amantadine. it helps

ALOT.

take care,

victoria

Re: [] Re: Does mold exposure cause " hypothalamic

obesity " ?

> Oh that's great to know-I will really try to get this then. Did your

> fatigue deminish also?

> I am struggling with working because I'm so tired all the time. We can't

> make it without me working. We are going to sell the house next year but

> in the meantime, I have to figure out how to work. Hmmm. It will be a task

> to find someone I think.

>

> Loni

>

> carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

> The only thing I did (and I sauned a lot)that helped to clear my

> mind enough to work again was cholestramine- and I only started it

> many months into my recovery- it made such a big difference- I think

> it is worth your going to any length to try it- you don;t have to

> stay on it for long- if you take it 4x a day - a few weeks should

> help emensly---

>

> In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote:

>>

>> The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would

> prescribe CSM & I think that would be hard since my cholerterol is

> so low. The environ doc said that sauna would be helpful. I don't

> know for sure but that is what he said. Loni

>>

>> carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just

> have a cholesterol heavy meal some other

>> time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are

>> that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the

>> cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with

> some

>> fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach

> and

>> into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some

>> other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much-

>> it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated

>>

>> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

>> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that

> is

>> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

>> >

>> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

>> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

>> chelation

>> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

>> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would

> say..

>> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

>> >

>> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in

> the

>> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

>> through

>> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes..

> This

>> is

>> > what I have read..

>> >

>> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

, What is the amantadine? Thanks, Loni

<toria@...> wrote: i have the INTENSE fatigue too....my neuro

has me on amantadine. it helps

ALOT.

take care,

victoria

Re: [] Re: Does mold exposure cause " hypothalamic

obesity " ?

> Oh that's great to know-I will really try to get this then. Did your

> fatigue deminish also?

> I am struggling with working because I'm so tired all the time. We can't

> make it without me working. We are going to sell the house next year but

> in the meantime, I have to figure out how to work. Hmmm. It will be a task

> to find someone I think.

>

> Loni

>

> carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

> The only thing I did (and I sauned a lot)that helped to clear my

> mind enough to work again was cholestramine- and I only started it

> many months into my recovery- it made such a big difference- I think

> it is worth your going to any length to try it- you don;t have to

> stay on it for long- if you take it 4x a day - a few weeks should

> help emensly---

>

> In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote:

>>

>> The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would

> prescribe CSM & I think that would be hard since my cholerterol is

> so low. The environ doc said that sauna would be helpful. I don't

> know for sure but that is what he said. Loni

>>

>> carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just

> have a cholesterol heavy meal some other

>> time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are

>> that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the

>> cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with

> some

>> fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach

> and

>> into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some

>> other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much-

>> it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated

>>

>> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

>> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that

> is

>> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

>> >

>> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

>> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

>> chelation

>> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

>> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would

> say..

>> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

>> >

>> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in

> the

>> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

>> through

>> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes..

> This

>> is

>> > what I have read..

>> >

>> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

I haven't followd the obesity thread b/c I'm the opposite but I

think for sure it is causing me not to be able to eat. I have now

smell, taste, no appetite and it's like starving me to death. It's

so horrible. I think I'd rather be getting the weight on than

starving. I'm trying to stay above 100 lbs and not easy. This has

happened slowly and really bad the last three years. I will read

the obesity post when I get a chance b/c interesting beleive someone

said the toxins are doing that which I guess starving me or feeding

off me. It's not a good feeling to not eat and shrink either and I

don't have any urge to eat and food makes me even more nauseated.

I stay naseated all the time like a hangover. Never feel rested

which is exhausting but the low dose naltrexone has helped like I

said before tremendously I think fighting the toxins as much as

possible with the immune system. I'm not promoting this in any way

just saying something that has helped me survive the laste year and

glad I found it.

Rhonda

> >> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

> >> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* -

that

> > is

> >> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

> >> >

> >> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some

binding

> >> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

> >> chelation

> >> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

> >> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would

> > say..

> >> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

> >> >

> >> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in

> > the

> >> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

> >> through

> >> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes..

> > This

> >> is

> >> > what I have read..

> >> >

> >> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Ok thanks , I need to beat this fatigue, it's awful. Loni

<toria@...> wrote: actually, its other name is symmetrel,

loni.....sometimes used for the flu.

my neuro has me on it for fatigue.....i feel better, more energetic when

i'm on it. i don't take it all the time, although i probably should. it

seems as if it doesn't work as well, (for me) if i take it ALL the time,

though. but loni, its by prescription, of course, & ASK YOUR DOCTOR--i'm no

doc, never have been a doc, & don't claim to be a doc, ok?

take care,

victoria

Re: [] Re: Does mold exposure cause " hypothalamic

obesity " ?

> Oh that's great to know-I will really try to get this then. Did your

> fatigue deminish also?

> I am struggling with working because I'm so tired all the time. We can't

> make it without me working. We are going to sell the house next year but

> in the meantime, I have to figure out how to work. Hmmm. It will be a task

> to find someone I think.

>

> Loni

>

> carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

> The only thing I did (and I sauned a lot)that helped to clear my

> mind enough to work again was cholestramine- and I only started it

> many months into my recovery- it made such a big difference- I think

> it is worth your going to any length to try it- you don;t have to

> stay on it for long- if you take it 4x a day - a few weeks should

> help emensly---

>

> In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote:

>>

>> The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would

> prescribe CSM & I think that would be hard since my cholerterol is

> so low. The environ doc said that sauna would be helpful. I don't

> know for sure but that is what he said. Loni

>>

>> carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just

> have a cholesterol heavy meal some other

>> time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are

>> that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the

>> cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with

> some

>> fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach

> and

>> into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some

>> other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much-

>> it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated

>>

>> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

>> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that

> is

>> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

>> >

>> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

>> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

>> chelation

>> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

>> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would

> say..

>> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

>> >

>> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in

> the

>> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

>> through

>> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes..

> This

>> is

>> > what I have read..

>> >

>> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

actually, its other name is symmetrel, loni.....sometimes used for the flu.

my neuro has me on it for fatigue.....i feel better, more energetic when

i'm on it. i don't take it all the time, although i probably should. it

seems as if it doesn't work as well, (for me) if i take it ALL the time,

though. but loni, its by prescription, of course, & ASK YOUR DOCTOR--i'm no

doc, never have been a doc, & don't claim to be a doc, ok?

take care,

victoria

Re: [] Re: Does mold exposure cause " hypothalamic

obesity " ?

> Oh that's great to know-I will really try to get this then. Did your

> fatigue deminish also?

> I am struggling with working because I'm so tired all the time. We can't

> make it without me working. We are going to sell the house next year but

> in the meantime, I have to figure out how to work. Hmmm. It will be a task

> to find someone I think.

>

> Loni

>

> carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

> The only thing I did (and I sauned a lot)that helped to clear my

> mind enough to work again was cholestramine- and I only started it

> many months into my recovery- it made such a big difference- I think

> it is worth your going to any length to try it- you don;t have to

> stay on it for long- if you take it 4x a day - a few weeks should

> help emensly---

>

> In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote:

>>

>> The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would

> prescribe CSM & I think that would be hard since my cholerterol is

> so low. The environ doc said that sauna would be helpful. I don't

> know for sure but that is what he said. Loni

>>

>> carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just

> have a cholesterol heavy meal some other

>> time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are

>> that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the

>> cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with

> some

>> fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach

> and

>> into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some

>> other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much-

>> it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated

>>

>> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

>> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that

> is

>> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

>> >

>> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

>> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

>> chelation

>> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

>> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would

> say..

>> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

>> >

>> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in

> the

>> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

>> through

>> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes..

> This

>> is

>> > what I have read..

>> >

>> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Rhonda, I gained 70 lbs over 10 years from cronic exposure, then

lost over 40 in a few months when I crashed, Dr were telling me not

to loose any more weight, but I could not keep from loosing- now

have been stable for a year, so am trying to loose the last 30 ,

with CSM to sop up the toxin as I go- Loosing is a bad sign- try to

live someplace else while you get the place fixed- no good having a

home if you are crippled or dead- good luck;

> > >> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

> > >> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* -

> that

> > > is

> > >> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

> > >> >

> > >> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some

> binding

> > >> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

> > >> chelation

> > >> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not

remove

> > >> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some

would

> > > say..

> > >> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

> > >> >

> > >> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect

in

> > > the

> > >> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

> > >> through

> > >> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes..

> > > This

> > >> is

> > >> > what I have read..

> > >> >

> > >> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to mention that we threw away our old mattresses and furniture a few

days ago and have been sleeping on the floor. Though I am getting some stiffness

due to this, but I have more energy, head clearing, more appetite etc. I just

couldn't believe that mattress ruined my life for the past 5 years ! I also lose

weight very easily and this has been happening for several years.

Jay

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

Rhonda, I gained 70 lbs over 10 years from cronic exposure, then

lost over 40 in a few months when I crashed, Dr were telling me not

to loose any more weight, but I could not keep from loosing- now

have been stable for a year, so am trying to loose the last 30 ,

with CSM to sop up the toxin as I go- Loosing is a bad sign- try to

live someplace else while you get the place fixed- no good having a

home if you are crippled or dead- good luck;

> > >> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

> > >> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* -

> that

> > > is

> > >> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

> > >> >

> > >> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some

> binding

> > >> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

> > >> chelation

> > >> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not

remove

> > >> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some

would

> > > say..

> > >> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

> > >> >

> > >> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect

in

> > > the

> > >> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

> > >> through

> > >> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes..

> > > This

> > >> is

> > >> > what I have read..

> > >> >

> > >> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

[Guest guest]

Jay, I got a neat present at Christmas. It was a 3 " high-quality memory foam

topper for my mattress. Since I'm no longer in contact with the mattress itself,

I could easily encase the original mattress in a plastic barrier and say goodbye

to anything that ever thought about taking up residence in there. I have no idea

what the topper's ultimate performace will be as regards dustmites and mold

spores, it isn't permeable like woven fabrics, so I'm really not too worried

about it. I also swapped out my regular pillows for a memory foam neck roll for

about $10. An ordinary washable mattress pad seems to be all that is needed to

cover it. It doesn't get all sweaty and nasty like an air mattress does, doesn't

come with its own assortment of critters like a down featherbed, and doesn't act

like a heat sink (I'd compare it to soft leather in the way it retains and

dissipates body heat very consistently and evenly). YMMV, but I notice no smell

from the foam material at all - nothing like

what PVC or urethane products usually give off.

I could just as easily throw it right on the floor and sleep on it without

getting stiff if I wanted to. Various articles I've read rate it as being just

about as good as those

grossly expensive mattresses that are built with the memory foam already

attached.

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Just wanted to mention that we threw away our old mattresses and furniture a

few days ago and have been sleeping on the floor. Though I am getting some

stiffness due to this, but I have more energy, head clearing, more appetite

etc. I just couldn't believe that mattress ruined my life for the past 5 years !

I also lose weight very easily and this has been happening for several years.

Jay

Serena

There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise.

...Ayn Rand,

paraphrased

---------------------------------

Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!

[Guest guest]

I used a blow up aerobed for a year when I was very reative and

worried about cross-contamination- they are very cheap and

confortable- got one over the internet

> > > >> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

> > > >> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy

metals* -

> > that

> > > > is

> > > >> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

> > > >> >

> > > >> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some

> > binding

> > > >> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but..

actual

> > > >> chelation

> > > >> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not

> remove

> > > >> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some

> would

> > > > say..

> > > >> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they

collect

> in

> > > > the

> > > >> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not

excreted

> > > >> through

> > > >> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA

genotypes..

> > > > This

> > > >> is

> > > >> > what I have read..

> > > >> >

> > > >> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

[Guest guest]

I'm interested in the # " memory form topper? What brand and where did you

purchase it?

Thanks, Sue

Jay, I got a neat present at Christmas. It was a 3 " high-quality memory foam

topper for my mattress. Since I'm no longer in contact with the mattress

itself, I could easily encase the original mattress in a plastic barrier and

say

goodbye to anything that ever thought about taking up residence in there.

[Guest guest]

YOU'RE WELCOME, LONI--LET ME KNOW IF YOU GET ON IT, & HOW IT WORKS FOR YOU,

OK?

VICTORIA

Re: [] Re: Does mold exposure cause " hypothalamic

> obesity " ?

>

>

>> Oh that's great to know-I will really try to get this then. Did your

>> fatigue deminish also?

>> I am struggling with working because I'm so tired all the time. We can't

>> make it without me working. We are going to sell the house next year but

>> in the meantime, I have to figure out how to work. Hmmm. It will be a

>> task

>> to find someone I think.

>>

>> Loni

>>

>> carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

>> The only thing I did (and I sauned a lot)that helped to clear my

>> mind enough to work again was cholestramine- and I only started it

>> many months into my recovery- it made such a big difference- I think

>> it is worth your going to any length to try it- you don;t have to

>> stay on it for long- if you take it 4x a day - a few weeks should

>> help emensly---

>>

>> In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote:

>>>

>>> The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would

>> prescribe CSM & I think that would be hard since my cholerterol is

>> so low. The environ doc said that sauna would be helpful. I don't

>> know for sure but that is what he said. Loni

>>>

>>> carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just

>> have a cholesterol heavy meal some other

>>> time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are

>>> that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the

>>> cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with

>> some

>>> fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach

>> and

>>> into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some

>>> other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much-

>>> it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated

>>>

>>> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

>>> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that

>> is

>>> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

>>> >

>>> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding

>>> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual

>>> chelation

>>> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove

>>> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would

>> say..

>>> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

>>> >

>>> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in

>> the

>>> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted

>>> through

>>> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes..

>> This

>>> is

>>> > what I have read..

>>> >

>>> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue -

It was a gift so I don't have the price and all, but I think it came from

overstock.com. Another non-silver bullet, but everything helps a little.

ssr3351@... wrote:

I'm interested in the # " memory form topper? What brand and where did you

purchase it?

Thanks, Sue

Jay, I got a neat present at Christmas. It was a 3 " high-quality memory foam

topper for my mattress. Since I'm no longer in contact with the mattress

itself, I could easily encase the original mattress in a plastic barrier and

say

goodbye to anything that ever thought about taking up residence in there.

[Guest guest]

Rhonda,

I am having the same problems like you with the weight. I can't seem to get

any on me!!! I went from a size 14 to a size 6-8 in less than 8 months. I had a

severe digestive problem after the exposure and it had gotten better with the

Aciphex but now , my first day on CSM......OH BOY!!!! BELCH CITY!!!

Right now I am at the library and my abdomen really hurts.( Like before the

Aciphex)

Take care and let me know if you find out a secret to gain some weight.

Thanks,

Marcie

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

I used a blow up aerobed for a year when I was very reative and

worried about cross-contamination- they are very cheap and

confortable- got one over the internet

> > > >> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

> > > >> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy

metals* -

> > that

> > > > is

> > > >> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

> > > >> >

> > > >> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some

> > binding

> > > >> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but..

actual

> > > >> chelation

> > > >> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not

> remove

> > > >> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some

> would

> > > > say..

> > > >> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they

collect

> in

> > > > the

> > > >> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not

excreted

> > > >> through

> > > >> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA

genotypes..

> > > > This

> > > >> is

> > > >> > what I have read..

> > > >> >

> > > >> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the idea , Serena. But those are pricey too. I will wait to buy the

mattress until we move in to the new house. I think the most important thing for

me is to buy the mattress cover that is mold, dust mite resistant. Any ideas ?

Thanks

Jay

SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote:

Jay, I got a neat present at Christmas. It was a 3 " high-quality memory foam

topper for my mattress. Since I'm no longer in contact with the mattress itself,

I could easily encase the original mattress in a plastic barrier and say goodbye

to anything that ever thought about taking up residence in there. I have no idea

what the topper's ultimate performace will be as regards dustmites and mold

spores, it isn't permeable like woven fabrics, so I'm really not too worried

about it. I also swapped out my regular pillows for a memory foam neck roll for

about $10. An ordinary washable mattress pad seems to be all that is needed to

cover it. It doesn't get all sweaty and nasty like an air mattress does, doesn't

come with its own assortment of critters like a down featherbed, and doesn't act

like a heat sink (I'd compare it to soft leather in the way it retains and

dissipates body heat very consistently and evenly). YMMV, but I notice no smell

from the foam material at all - nothing like

what PVC or urethane products usually give off.

I could just as easily throw it right on the floor and sleep on it without

getting stiff if I wanted to. Various articles I've read rate it as being just

about as good as those

grossly expensive mattresses that are built with the memory foam already

attached.

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Just wanted to mention that we threw away our old mattresses and furniture a

few days ago and have been sleeping on the floor. Though I am getting some

stiffness due to this, but I have more energy, head clearing, more appetite

etc. I just couldn't believe that mattress ruined my life for the past 5 years !

I also lose weight very easily and this has been happening for several years.

Jay

Serena

There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise.

...Ayn Rand,

paraphrased

---------------------------------

Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover

Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it!

[Guest guest]

That's a good idea . But I don't want to buy anything while we are still in

the 'contaminated' place.

Thanks

Jay

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

I used a blow up aerobed for a year when I was very reative and

worried about cross-contamination- they are very cheap and

confortable- got one over the internet

> > > >> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

> > > >> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy

metals* -

> > that

> > > > is

> > > >> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

> > > >> >

> > > >> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some

> > binding

> > > >> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but..

actual

> > > >> chelation

> > > >> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not

> remove

> > > >> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some

> would

> > > > say..

> > > >> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they

collect

> in

> > > > the

> > > >> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not

excreted

> > > >> through

> > > >> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA

genotypes..

> > > > This

> > > >> is

> > > >> > what I have read..

> > > >> >

> > > >> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

[Guest guest]

How do you test the mattress for mold?Loni

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote: Thanks for the idea , Serena. But

those are pricey too. I will wait to buy the mattress until we move in to the

new house. I think the most important thing for me is to buy the mattress cover

that is mold, dust mite resistant. Any ideas ?

Thanks

Jay

SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote:

Jay, I got a neat present at Christmas. It was a 3 " high-quality memory foam

topper for my mattress. Since I'm no longer in contact with the mattress itself,

I could easily encase the original mattress in a plastic barrier and say goodbye

to anything that ever thought about taking up residence in there. I have no idea

what the topper's ultimate performace will be as regards dustmites and mold

spores, it isn't permeable like woven fabrics, so I'm really not too worried

about it. I also swapped out my regular pillows for a memory foam neck roll for

about $10. An ordinary washable mattress pad seems to be all that is needed to

cover it. It doesn't get all sweaty and nasty like an air mattress does, doesn't

come with its own assortment of critters like a down featherbed, and doesn't act

like a heat sink (I'd compare it to soft leather in the way it retains and

dissipates body heat very consistently and evenly). YMMV, but I notice no smell

from the foam material at all - nothing like

what PVC or urethane products usually give off.

I could just as easily throw it right on the floor and sleep on it without

getting stiff if I wanted to. Various articles I've read rate it as being just

about as good as those

grossly expensive mattresses that are built with the memory foam already

attached.

jay krishnaa <jkrishnaa@...> wrote:

Just wanted to mention that we threw away our old mattresses and furniture a

few days ago and have been sleeping on the floor. Though I am getting some

stiffness due to this, but I have more energy, head clearing, more appetite

etc. I just couldn't believe that mattress ruined my life for the past 5 years !

I also lose weight very easily and this has been happening for several years.

Jay

Serena

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Marcie, The mold destroys the intestinal mucosa & I lost 20 lbs over just a

couple of months of over exposure (remediation). I have been diagnosed with

leaky gut & used Ultra Clear Sustain. It repairs the intestines & it does work.

I was loosing weight when I was diagnosed with leaky gut (didn't know at that

point it was mold doing the damage) & that was 2002 around. So I repaired it

then & I am trying to repair it again because this recently just happened

between July & Nov. Then you will gain weight again. The food leaks into the

circulation & you develop lots of allergic responses to foods & such. It is very

damaging to liver also. THat's what happened to me anyway. Loni

Marcie McGovern <marcie1029@...> wrote: Rhonda,

I am having the same problems like you with the weight. I can't seem to get

any on me!!! I went from a size 14 to a size 6-8 in less than 8 months. I had a

severe digestive problem after the exposure and it had gotten better with the

Aciphex but now , my first day on CSM......OH BOY!!!! BELCH CITY!!!

Right now I am at the library and my abdomen really hurts.( Like before the

Aciphex)

Take care and let me know if you find out a secret to gain some weight.

Thanks,

Marcie

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote:

I used a blow up aerobed for a year when I was very reative and

worried about cross-contamination- they are very cheap and

confortable- got one over the internet

> > > >> > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation.

> > > >> > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy

metals* -

> > that

> > > > is

> > > >> > sometimes used.. (EDTA)

> > > >> >

> > > >> > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some

> > binding

> > > >> > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but..

actual

> > > >> chelation

> > > >> > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not

> remove

> > > >> > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some

> would

> > > > say..

> > > >> > like mercury and lead.. etc.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they

collect

> in

> > > > the

> > > >> > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not

excreted

> > > >> through

> > > >> > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA

genotypes..

> > > > This

> > > >> is

> > > >> > what I have read..

> > > >> >

> > > >> > It makes sense for me.. YMMV.

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > FAIR USE NOTICE:

> > > >> >

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