Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 With all the talk about making patients responsible for their own health and shifting the costs from healthcare off of employers and on to the healthcare consumer, its obvious that the long term financial cost to even employed and insured people of the health issues caused by their mold exposure are going to be substantial, even life-wrecking. I am talking about the damage to the alpha-MSH receptor cells in their ventromedial hypothalamus. This causes chaos in the body.. and major health issues, for the rest of one's life. It could easily result in somebody being labelled as unhealthy and hence, being unable to get a decent job. So, if the mold exposure was forced on to them - should they be the ones paying this price? It seems inclreasingly clear that this damage caused to the ventromedial hypothalamus, which disrupts modulation of the autonomic nervous system by nutrient and hormonal signals, is one of the primary mechanisms by which mold damages people's health. This damage looks more and more like it could often be one of the primary causes of what is called " hypothalamic obesity " . Among other things. It also seems to damage people's libido, majorly so, as well as make it impossibole for them to get a good nights sleep. Ever again. Which plays havoc with the immune system. This is one of the main points Dr. Shoemaker makes in Mold Warriors, but its rarely discussed here. It seems to be where people should be concentrating their efforts, because this damage is lifetime damage. How much is your sex life - for the rest of your life, worth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 I wonder if taking hypothalmus supportive suppliments would help to produce some of these hormones? Anyone tried this? Loni LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: With all the talk about making patients responsible for their own health and shifting the costs from healthcare off of employers and on to the healthcare consumer, its obvious that the long term financial cost to even employed and insured people of the health issues causedon by their mold exposure are going to be substantial, even life-wrecking. I am talking about the damage to the alpha-MSH receptor cells in their ventromedial hypothalamus. This causes chaos in the body.. and major health issues, for the rest of one's life. It could easily result in somebody being labelled as unhealthy and hence, being unable to get a decent job. So, if the mold exposure was forced on to them - should they be the ones paying this price? It seems inclreasingly clear that this damage caused to the ventromedial hypothalamus, which disrupts modulation of the autonomic nervous system by nutrient and hormonal signals, is one of the primary mechanisms by which mold damages people's health. This damage looks more and more like it could often be one of the primary causes of what is called " hypothalamic obesity " . Among other things. It also seems to damage people's libido, majorly so, as well as make it impossibole for them to get a good nights sleep. Ever again. Which plays havoc with the immune system. This is one of the main points Dr. Shoemaker makes in Mold Warriors, but its rarely discussed here. It seems to be where people should be concentrating their efforts, because this damage is lifetime damage. How much is your sex life - for the rest of your life, worth? FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Has anyone tried major detox, maybe chelation, sauna to get the organs working to some degree again??? Loni LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: With all the talk about making patients responsible for their own health and shifting the costs from healthcare off of employers and on to the healthcare consumer, its obvious that the long term financial cost to even employed and insured people of the health issues caused by their mold exposure are going to be substantial, even life-wrecking. I am talking about the damage to the alpha-MSH receptor cells in their ventromedial hypothalamus. This causes chaos in the body.. and major health issues, for the rest of one's life. It could easily result in somebody being labelled as unhealthy and hence, being unable to get a decent job. So, if the mold exposure was forced on to them - should they be the ones paying this price? It seems inclreasingly clear that this damage caused to the ventromedial hypothalamus, which disrupts modulation of the autonomic nervous system by nutrient and hormonal signals, is one of the primary mechanisms by which mold damages people's health. This damage looks more and more like it could often be one of the primary causes of what is called " hypothalamic obesity " . Among other things. It also seems to damage people's libido, majorly so, as well as make it impossibole for them to get a good nights sleep. Ever again. Which plays havoc with the immune system. This is one of the main points Dr. Shoemaker makes in Mold Warriors, but its rarely discussed here. It seems to be where people should be concentrating their efforts, because this damage is lifetime damage. How much is your sex life - for the rest of your life, worth? FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Oooooh, it does a whole lot more than make you disinterested in sex. Even if you were interested, the fatigue would pretty much take care of any real ambition. Some people gain weight, some people don't. I was one who lost weight. The MSH problems have been discussed here, back before you joined (Oh god how I wish we had a threaded forum!). There is some work being done on an injectable form of MSH, but it's not available in this country. Apparently, the next best thing is procrit, but just try getting that through your insurance! They fight you every step of the way. I'm going 10 rounds with them right now. They will either come across like decent people, or I will sue for it them and win, or last resort, I will go to Australia or another country where I have friends an MSH is legal and available. Then I will sue the responsible parties for the cost of it all anyway. I understand there are groups of bodybuilders who bring it here illegally, but I don't think I want any part of that. I want whatever I do about this to be clear and above board and right in their faces. They don't have the right to cripple me like this and then ignore it. I _will_ have some justice, trust me. Thing is - if you don't have the genetic problem with low MSH, then you get to recover and get on with life. You clear up the toxins, and your hypothalamus recovers and gets on with its business. So it's not like this is something that every moldie will have to deal with forever or anything. I just feel it's the worst of the poisoning effects because it causes so many other problems, any one of which would be a whole diagnosis on its own. You'd think the endocrinologists would have wigged this one out on their own, but apparently not... LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: With all the talk about making patients responsible for their own health and shifting the costs from healthcare off of employers and on to the healthcare consumer, its obvious that the long term financial cost to even employed and insured people of the health issues caused by their mold exposure are going to be substantial, even life-wrecking. I am talking about the damage to the alpha-MSH receptor cells in their ventromedial hypothalamus. This causes chaos in the body.. and major health issues, for the rest of one's life. It could easily result in somebody being labelled as unhealthy and hence, being unable to get a decent job. So, if the mold exposure was forced on to them - should they be the ones paying this price? It seems inclreasingly clear that this damage caused to the ventromedial hypothalamus, which disrupts modulation of the autonomic nervous system by nutrient and hormonal signals, is one of the primary mechanisms by which mold damages people's health. This damage looks more and more like it could often be one of the primary causes of what is called " hypothalamic obesity " . Among other things. It also seems to damage people's libido, majorly so, as well as make it impossibole for them to get a good nights sleep. Ever again. Which plays havoc with the immune system. This is one of the main points Dr. Shoemaker makes in Mold Warriors, but its rarely discussed here. It seems to be where people should be concentrating their efforts, because this damage is lifetime damage. How much is your sex life - for the rest of your life, worth? FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 The major de-tox and chelation as far as the Drs I have seen- is supposed to be accomplished with Cholestramine With all the talk about making patients responsible for their own > health and shifting the costs from healthcare off of employers and on > to the healthcare consumer, its obvious that the long term financial > cost to even employed and insured people of the health issues caused > by their mold exposure are going to be substantial, even > life-wrecking. I am talking about the damage to the alpha-MSH receptor > cells in their ventromedial hypothalamus. This causes chaos in the > body.. and major health issues, for the rest of one's life. It could > easily result in somebody being labelled as unhealthy and hence, being > unable to get a decent job. > > So, if the mold exposure was forced on to them - should they be the > ones paying this price? > > It seems inclreasingly clear that this damage caused to the > ventromedial hypothalamus, which disrupts modulation of the autonomic > nervous system by nutrient and hormonal signals, is one of the primary > mechanisms by which mold damages people's health. This damage looks > more and more like it could often be one of the primary causes of what > is called " hypothalamic obesity " . Among other things. It also seems to > damage people's libido, majorly so, as well as make it impossibole for > them to get a good nights sleep. > > Ever again. > > Which plays havoc with the immune system. > > This is one of the main points Dr. Shoemaker makes in Mold Warriors, > but its rarely discussed here. It seems to be where people should be > concentrating their efforts, because this damage is lifetime damage. > > How much is your sex life - for the rest of your life, worth? > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation. " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that is sometimes used.. (EDTA) It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual chelation has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would say.. like mercury and lead.. etc. The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in the bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted through the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes.. This is what I have read.. It makes sense for me.. YMMV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Thw lasr Dr I saw used the word chelation with reguards to cholestramine- do not know the exact def; > > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation. > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that is > sometimes used.. (EDTA) > > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual chelation > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would say.. > like mercury and lead.. etc. > > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in the > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted through > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes.. This is > what I have read.. > > It makes sense for me.. YMMV. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Here's a definition. Medicine. To remove (a heavy metal, such as lead or mercury) from the bloodstream by means of a chelate, such as EDTA. I guess it can't rightly be called chelation. " Detox " seems accurate enough, I guess. It makes me think of drunk tanks and famous Betty Ford alumni, but then, they're poisoned, too. I suspect they had a lot more fun getting this way than we did, but think about it - they shake, they sweat, get dizzy, lose coordination, feel like there are bugs on their skin, wired and tired, feel nauseated. Not so different, I guess, except they want more of it and we can't get shed of it quickly enough to suit us. Serena There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise. ...Ayn Rand, paraphrased --------------------------------- Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Chelation is used for heavy metals & removing plaque from arteries. It does take out other minerals too so replacement of them is important. My environ doc said it will take out mycotoxins & other chemicals but env docs do not use this method due to the damage it COULD cause to the kidneys. I am investigating, however, because I cannot use CSM due to my low low cholesterol. 127 overall last blood test. I believe the low cholesterol is due to the mycotoxins damaging my liver & I'm just not making it. Can't eat foods high in cholesterol due to my allergies. Because my cholesterol is low, my hormones are low & I am very fatigued due to that also. I'm going to the gym to try sauna for detox but have trouble sweating. ADH is pretty much non existance. I drink water in the sauna but this dry heat is just not working for me. I'd like to do the sauna if it worked because the skin is the largest elimination organ & we hardly use it. The other organs seem to get used & abused. I guess there is an oral EDTA that would be slower & easier on the kidneys but not sure that it would work well. Loni LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation. " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that is sometimes used.. (EDTA) It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual chelation has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would say.. like mercury and lead.. etc. The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in the bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted through the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes.. This is what I have read.. It makes sense for me.. YMMV. FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Loni, I'm not a doctor, so this is just speculation, but maybe you could try diluted *low dose* cholestyramine over a longer period? I'm just thinking that if you could get those initial worst toxins out, that might improve your overall status. Why doesn't your doctor want you to get better? Maybe there is something I don;t know here.. but.. Or, alternatively, just for a little while, eat high-cholesterol foods, like eggs, to get your level UP, and then do cholestyramine, then after that first few weeks, go back to your low-cholesterol regular diet.. Eating lots of fats during that time would actually help the cholestyramine bind more bile acids, I'd think, because your liver makes more bile when you eat fatty foods.. which is then 'bound' by the cholestyramine, with its burden of absorbed biotoxins.. Cholesterol isn't as bad as they say, many are realizing, by the way.. in fact, it has many vital roles..or so I've heard. People with extremely low cholesterol have trouble making steroid hormones, like testosterone and estrogen, I would think.. It might also delay puberty or stop menstruation.. In some cases, like in China during the Great Leap Forward famine years.. it can even make people infertile for years.. (Birthrates didn't return to normal until the mid to late 1960s, the famine was 1958-62 and ended in 1963ish with the abandonment of forced collectivization) Natures way of contraception? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 I would use the CSm, just have a cholesterol heavy meal some other time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with some fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach and into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much- it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation. > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that is > sometimes used.. (EDTA) > > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual chelation > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would say.. > like mercury and lead.. etc. > > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in the > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted through > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes.. This is > what I have read.. > > It makes sense for me.. YMMV. > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would prescribe CSM & I think that would be hard since my cholerterol is so low. The environ doc said that sauna would be helpful. I don't know for sure but that is what he said. Loni carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just have a cholesterol heavy meal some other time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with some fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach and into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much- it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation. > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that is > sometimes used.. (EDTA) > > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual chelation > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would say.. > like mercury and lead.. etc. > > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in the > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted through > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes.. This is > what I have read.. > > It makes sense for me.. YMMV. > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 The only thing I did (and I sauned a lot)that helped to clear my mind enough to work again was cholestramine- and I only started it many months into my recovery- it made such a big difference- I think it is worth your going to any length to try it- you don;t have to stay on it for long- if you take it 4x a day - a few weeks should help emensly--- In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote: > > The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would prescribe CSM & I think that would be hard since my cholerterol is so low. The environ doc said that sauna would be helpful. I don't know for sure but that is what he said. Loni > > carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just have a cholesterol heavy meal some other > time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are > that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the > cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with some > fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach and > into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some > other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much- > it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated > > > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation. > > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that is > > sometimes used.. (EDTA) > > > > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding > > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual > chelation > > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove > > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would say.. > > like mercury and lead.. etc. > > > > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in the > > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted > through > > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes.. This > is > > what I have read.. > > > > It makes sense for me.. YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Oh that's great to know-I will really try to get this then. Did your fatigue deminish also? I am struggling with working because I'm so tired all the time. We can't make it without me working. We are going to sell the house next year but in the meantime, I have to figure out how to work. Hmmm. It will be a task to find someone I think. Loni carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: The only thing I did (and I sauned a lot)that helped to clear my mind enough to work again was cholestramine- and I only started it many months into my recovery- it made such a big difference- I think it is worth your going to any length to try it- you don;t have to stay on it for long- if you take it 4x a day - a few weeks should help emensly--- In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote: > > The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would prescribe CSM & I think that would be hard since my cholerterol is so low. The environ doc said that sauna would be helpful. I don't know for sure but that is what he said. Loni > > carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just have a cholesterol heavy meal some other > time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are > that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the > cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with some > fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach and > into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some > other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much- > it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated > > > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation. > > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that is > > sometimes used.. (EDTA) > > > > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding > > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual > chelation > > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove > > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would say.. > > like mercury and lead.. etc. > > > > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in the > > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted > through > > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes.. This > is > > what I have read.. > > > > It makes sense for me.. YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 -yes, I woul say that my ability to recover from any type of exercise did improve -- In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote: > > Oh that's great to know-I will really try to get this then. Did your fatigue deminish also? > I am struggling with working because I'm so tired all the time. We can't make it without me working. We are going to sell the house next year but in the meantime, I have to figure out how to work. Hmmm. It will be a task to find someone I think. > > Loni > > carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: > The only thing I did (and I sauned a lot)that helped to clear my > mind enough to work again was cholestramine- and I only started it > many months into my recovery- it made such a big difference- I think > it is worth your going to any length to try it- you don;t have to > stay on it for long- if you take it 4x a day - a few weeks should > help emensly--- > > In , Loni Rosser <loni326@y...> wrote: > > > > The only thing is that I would have to find a doc that would > prescribe CSM & I think that would be hard since my cholerterol is > so low. The environ doc said that sauna would be helpful. I don't > know for sure but that is what he said. Loni > > > > carondeen <kdeanstudios@v...> wrote: I would use the CSm, just > have a cholesterol heavy meal some other > > time. I don't think you can sweat out the mycotoxins, if you are > > that sick, you need to get them out of your system. Take the > > cholestramine, then jump start your liver and gall bladder with > some > > fish oil 1/2 hr later, this will dump the bile into your stomach > and > > into the intestines, so the CSM can bind with it- have a meal some > > other time , and the CSM won't be effecting your cholesterol much- > > it doesn't go through your blood stream- it is excreated > > > > > I DON'T think that Cholestyramine does chelation. > > > " Chelation " refers to a way of eliminating *heavy metals* - that > is > > > sometimes used.. (EDTA) > > > > > > It also involves eating a substance.. and there is some binding > > > something.. I really don't know the specifics.. but.. actual > > chelation > > > has nothing to do with mold toxins.. Chelation does not remove > > > biotoxins from the body. It removes heavy metals.. some would > say.. > > > like mercury and lead.. etc. > > > > > > The *biotoxins* appear to stick around because they collect in > the > > > bile acids/salts, from what I gather.. They are not excreted > > through > > > the intestines in people who have one of the HLA genotypes.. > This > > is > > > what I have read.. > > > > > > It makes sense for me.. YMMV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Serena, Regarding MSH in Australia! Are your friends getting better who are on it there?? Can doctors here get it from Australia. We can get drugs from Canada so why not? Has anyone or doc checked into this. Does this MSH normalize the immune system? What do bodybuilders do with that hormone???? Loni SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: Oooooh, it does a whole lot more than make you disinterested in sex. Even if you were interested, the fatigue would pretty much take care of any real ambition. Some people gain weight, some people don't. I was one who lost weight. The MSH problems have been discussed here, back before you joined (Oh god how I wish we had a threaded forum!). There is some work being done on an injectable form of MSH, but it's not available in this country. Apparently, the next best thing is procrit, but just try getting that through your insurance! They fight you every step of the way. I'm going 10 rounds with them right now. They will either come across like decent people, or I will sue for it them and win, or last resort, I will go to Australia or another country where I have friends an MSH is legal and available. Then I will sue the responsible parties for the cost of it all anyway. I understand there are groups of bodybuilders who bring it here illegally, but I don't think I want any part of that. I want whatever I do about this to be clear and above board and right in their faces. They don't have the right to cripple me like this and then ignore it. I _will_ have some justice, trust me. Thing is - if you don't have the genetic problem with low MSH, then you get to recover and get on with life. You clear up the toxins, and your hypothalamus recovers and gets on with its business. So it's not like this is something that every moldie will have to deal with forever or anything. I just feel it's the worst of the poisoning effects because it causes so many other problems, any one of which would be a whole diagnosis on its own. You'd think the endocrinologists would have wigged this one out on their own, but apparently not... LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote: With all the talk about making patients responsible for their own health and shifting the costs from healthcare off of employers and on to the healthcare consumer, its obvious that the long term financial cost to even employed and insured people of the health issues caused by their mold exposure are going to be substantial, even life-wrecking. I am talking about the damage to the alpha-MSH receptor cells in their ventromedial hypothalamus. This causes chaos in the body.. and major health issues, for the rest of one's life. It could easily result in somebody being labelled as unhealthy and hence, being unable to get a decent job. So, if the mold exposure was forced on to them - should they be the ones paying this price? It seems inclreasingly clear that this damage caused to the ventromedial hypothalamus, which disrupts modulation of the autonomic nervous system by nutrient and hormonal signals, is one of the primary mechanisms by which mold damages people's health. This damage looks more and more like it could often be one of the primary causes of what is called " hypothalamic obesity " . Among other things. It also seems to damage people's libido, majorly so, as well as make it impossibole for them to get a good nights sleep. Ever again. Which plays havoc with the immune system. This is one of the main points Dr. Shoemaker makes in Mold Warriors, but its rarely discussed here. It seems to be where people should be concentrating their efforts, because this damage is lifetime damage. How much is your sex life - for the rest of your life, worth? FAIR USE NOTICE: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Loni, I don't have any friends in Australia with this illness. They're bodybuilders. The Ozzies have developed MSH as a sunless tanner. Have you had your MSH levels checked? Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Serena, Regarding MSH in Australia! Are your friends getting better who are on it there?? Can doctors here get it from Australia. We can get drugs from Canada so why not? Has anyone or doc checked into this. Does this MSH normalize the immune system? What do bodybuilders do with that hormone???? Loni Serena There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise. ...Ayn Rand, paraphrased --------------------------------- Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 There is a lady in Aussie land who has a MCS support group that might be able to hook you up with others with mold etc situations. diana@... On Sat, 7 Jan 2006, SERENA EDWARDS wrote: > Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 16:35:38 -0800 (PST) > From: SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> > Reply- > > Subject: Re: [] Does mold exposure cause " hypothalamic obesity " ? > > Loni, > I don't have any friends in Australia with this illness. They're bodybuilders. The Ozzies have developed MSH as a sunless tanner. Have you had your MSH levels checked? > > > Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: > Serena, > Regarding MSH in Australia! Are your friends getting better who are on it there?? > Can doctors here get it from Australia. We can get drugs from Canada so why not? > Has anyone or doc checked into this. Does this MSH normalize the immune system? > What do bodybuilders do with that hormone???? > Loni > > > > > > Serena > > There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise. > ...Ayn Rand, paraphrased > > > > > --------------------------------- > Photos > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Hi Serena, A sunless tanner? Isn't MSH a hormone? That really sounds strange. Are they not using it over there for treatment of the immune system? So I'm confused a little. You know bodybuilders over there but they are not your friends. What are they then? Loni SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: Loni, I don't have any friends in Australia with this illness. They're bodybuilders. The Ozzies have developed MSH as a sunless tanner. Have you had your MSH levels checked? Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Serena, Regarding MSH in Australia! Are your friends getting better who are on it there?? Can doctors here get it from Australia. We can get drugs from Canada so why not? Has anyone or doc checked into this. Does this MSH normalize the immune system? What do bodybuilders do with that hormone???? Loni Serena There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise. ...Ayn Rand, paraphrased --------------------------------- Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Well, not everyone I know is a friend. I don't even like everyone I know. What's so weird about that? I just met some of these people while I was studying up on MSH. Get your Mold Warriors out. It explains the whole thing with MSH. In part, it controls the way your skin reacts to sunlight. Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Hi Serena, A sunless tanner? Isn't MSH a hormone? That really sounds strange. Are they not using it over there for treatment of the immune system? So I'm confused a little. You know bodybuilders over there but they are not your friends. What are they then? Loni SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: Loni, I don't have any friends in Australia with this illness. They're bodybuilders. The Ozzies have developed MSH as a sunless tanner. Have you had your MSH levels checked? Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Serena, Regarding MSH in Australia! Are your friends getting better who are on it there?? Can doctors here get it from Australia. We can get drugs from Canada so why not? Has anyone or doc checked into this. Does this MSH normalize the immune system? What do bodybuilders do with that hormone???? Loni Serena There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise. ...Ayn Rand, paraphrased --------------------------------- Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Geez, It seems like we should be able to get some sun tan lotion from Australia. Loni SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: Well, not everyone I know is a friend. I don't even like everyone I know. What's so weird about that? I just met some of these people while I was studying up on MSH. Get your Mold Warriors out. It explains the whole thing with MSH. In part, it controls the way your skin reacts to sunlight. Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Hi Serena, A sunless tanner? Isn't MSH a hormone? That really sounds strange. Are they not using it over there for treatment of the immune system? So I'm confused a little. You know bodybuilders over there but they are not your friends. What are they then? Loni SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: Loni, I don't have any friends in Australia with this illness. They're bodybuilders. The Ozzies have developed MSH as a sunless tanner. Have you had your MSH levels checked? Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Serena, Regarding MSH in Australia! Are your friends getting better who are on it there?? Can doctors here get it from Australia. We can get drugs from Canada so why not? Has anyone or doc checked into this. Does this MSH normalize the immune system? What do bodybuilders do with that hormone???? Loni Serena There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise. ...Ayn Rand, paraphrased --------------------------------- Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 It's not a lotion. It's an injectable. Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Geez, It seems like we should be able to get some sun tan lotion from Australia. Loni SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: Well, not everyone I know is a friend. I don't even like everyone I know. What's so weird about that? I just met some of these people while I was studying up on MSH. Get your Mold Warriors out. It explains the whole thing with MSH. In part, it controls the way your skin reacts to sunlight. Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Hi Serena, A sunless tanner? Isn't MSH a hormone? That really sounds strange. Are they not using it over there for treatment of the immune system? So I'm confused a little. You know bodybuilders over there but they are not your friends. What are they then? Loni SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: Loni, I don't have any friends in Australia with this illness. They're bodybuilders. The Ozzies have developed MSH as a sunless tanner. Have you had your MSH levels checked? Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Serena, Regarding MSH in Australia! Are your friends getting better who are on it there?? Can doctors here get it from Australia. We can get drugs from Canada so why not? Has anyone or doc checked into this. Does this MSH normalize the immune system? What do bodybuilders do with that hormone???? Loni Serena There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise. ...Ayn Rand, paraphrased --------------------------------- Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Oh I bet that is expensive. Loni SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: It's not a lotion. It's an injectable. Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Geez, It seems like we should be able to get some sun tan lotion from Australia. Loni SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: Well, not everyone I know is a friend. I don't even like everyone I know. What's so weird about that? I just met some of these people while I was studying up on MSH. Get your Mold Warriors out. It explains the whole thing with MSH. In part, it controls the way your skin reacts to sunlight. Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Hi Serena, A sunless tanner? Isn't MSH a hormone? That really sounds strange. Are they not using it over there for treatment of the immune system? So I'm confused a little. You know bodybuilders over there but they are not your friends. What are they then? Loni SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: Loni, I don't have any friends in Australia with this illness. They're bodybuilders. The Ozzies have developed MSH as a sunless tanner. Have you had your MSH levels checked? Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Serena, Regarding MSH in Australia! Are your friends getting better who are on it there?? Can doctors here get it from Australia. We can get drugs from Canada so why not? Has anyone or doc checked into this. Does this MSH normalize the immune system? What do bodybuilders do with that hormone???? Loni Serena There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise. ...Ayn Rand, paraphrased --------------------------------- Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 As I understand it, yes. Very expensive. And yet, people will buy it, just to dave themselves the trouble fo getting a real tan. I think I'm willing to figure out how to afford it in order to get better. Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Oh I bet that is expensive. Loni SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: It's not a lotion. It's an injectable. Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Geez, It seems like we should be able to get some sun tan lotion from Australia. Loni SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: Well, not everyone I know is a friend. I don't even like everyone I know. What's so weird about that? I just met some of these people while I was studying up on MSH. Get your Mold Warriors out. It explains the whole thing with MSH. In part, it controls the way your skin reacts to sunlight. Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Hi Serena, A sunless tanner? Isn't MSH a hormone? That really sounds strange. Are they not using it over there for treatment of the immune system? So I'm confused a little. You know bodybuilders over there but they are not your friends. What are they then? Loni SERENA EDWARDS <pushcrash@...> wrote: Loni, I don't have any friends in Australia with this illness. They're bodybuilders. The Ozzies have developed MSH as a sunless tanner. Have you had your MSH levels checked? Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: Serena, Regarding MSH in Australia! Are your friends getting better who are on it there?? Can doctors here get it from Australia. We can get drugs from Canada so why not? Has anyone or doc checked into this. Does this MSH normalize the immune system? What do bodybuilders do with that hormone???? Loni Serena There is no such thing as an anomaly. Recheck your original premise. ...Ayn Rand, paraphrased --------------------------------- Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Serena, First, let me apologize for ranting at you.. You know, I think you were right when you said that I am probably being effected by the mold.. I was just sitting in my bathroom and you know, I can tell that its true because I just finished cleaning and I was getting what can only be described as mild visual field distortions.. almost borderline hallucinations.. And this is with all the windows open and fans on.. Arrgh... Someone else wrote me a letter in solodarity and here is what I replied to her which perhaps gets to the point of what i was trying to say.. _____________cut here________ Thank you, I just don't see the moving option as being a realistic one for many people except as a LAST resort. Because often, people don't have anywhere to move TO. ___to Serena____ (Really, Serena, this is TRUE. If you don't believe me, look at the mess left by Katrina - the RUINED LIVES - I am sure that many older people will DIE without a place to live. The system is BROKEN, profoundly broken. It is often NOT poor people's fault they are poor. They never had a chance. Really. Not one chance in 100. And we are in denial about where its going. Because good jobs are going away for good. The system is broken and we are unwilling to look at the real reasons why because - surprise, we are next in line for disenfranchisement.. nobody wants to realize that..) __return to letter___ personally, I have eaten through my financial resources and I can't make more money until I get better. That means landlord cleaning up place. Other landlords do it. I pay good money for my apartment, probably much more than most people on the list do for their spaces. (almost $1400/month) I live in a multi-unit apartment under rent control. Almost all the other housing units in my neighborhood are also rental stock. As a whole, the rents in my building are comparable to others in the neighborhood. However, our building is perhaps the worst maintained. Our house is the only house on our block that consistantly floods. Our landlord doesn't do practically any real maintenance and for years we have been on our own. At this point, our building *smells*. The Department of Building Inspection has issued them an ultimatum, which they are ignoring. The Department of Health has also cited them for the mold. I don't know what it is but there is something wrong with these people. *I have always been a good tenant* in places I have lived and tried to keep up the buildings. Before I moved here I was healthy and didn't even have any allergies, now I am in terrible health. For many years i had no idea what was causing my decline into sickness. Now it is obvious, as you can see the effect on my of having fans blowing fresh air in (freezing cold) vs. no fans. (illness) I don't have a degree, so I can't really get a corporate job with decent insurance in this economy until I recover. For people with degrees, its a lot easier. They don't understand this, though. How hard it is for the formerly middle class working people of this country. because they are profoundly alone. Serena's .sig file quotes Ayn Rand, which implies to me that she has an agenda to some extent. Perhaps I have an agenda too, but its not the one some are trying to pin on me. I just think that it is the *landlord's* responsibility to provide a safe living space as their part of the contract between them and a tenant. If they deliberately try to shirk that responsibility to save money, that might be forgivable IF they cleaned up their act when they realized that they were making people SICK. But if anything, that has made my landlord worse. Which to me makes them a PREDATOR. A slumlord. A killer. Thats wrong.. they are completely evil to do that.. I feel that its my obligation to fight people like that. Thats all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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