sleeping

[Guest guest]

I am impressed with how well so many of your children are sleeping. I can

count the number of solid nights' sleep I have had since our Sara was born

(she will be five in two weeks) on one hand. Her twin brother, (not

ds), is an incredible sleeper. He seems to sleep 12 hours a night to Sara's

not solid 10 hours a night. I think some of her waking is related to the

habits we established early on, such as me rocking her to sleep or letting

her sleep in our bed. She now is in her own room and in her own bed;

however, finds her way to our bed every night; sometimes she goes right back

to sleep, other times she is very restless. I thought about letting the

twins sleep together at one point, however was afraid Sara's restless sleep

would wake up and I didn't need to have two awake. It seems the

bottomline of this sleep conversation is that as in typical children, ds

children have many different sleep patterns.

Marcia

Mom to Sara (ds) and Gabe age 4 and Lucas age 9

[Guest guest]

Hi Margaret,

a's motor skills still need some work on coordination, but other than

that she is a very strong determined little girl. She does about 30 quick

but lifts everytime you go to change her diaper or lay her on her back on

the floor. I can't even do that! She just started using her legs to stand if

you put her up to a coffee table or the couch to lean her hands on.

Although, she locks her knees and then when she gets tired starts screaming

for someone to set her down before she falls down. She can roll on the floor

and get into a crawling position and just rocks at this point.

I'll be so happy when she's a bit more mobile like her brother Cory and then

hopefully she will sleep more. I know she gets frustrated when she tries to

copy him and can't.

- mom to a (DS) and Cory - 15 months

sleeping

,

Well, about what I wrote, I am just remembering and we all know how that

goes with having kids. Does she sound normal for a child with Ds? Well she

sounds normal - she sounds very very much like Annice. I think it is the

age. How are her gross motor skills? Hopefully the more advanced they get

the more tired she will get. Hope this helps.

Margaret w/ Greyson and (DS) - 3 and Annice 17mos.

[Guest guest]

Hi

My name is Michele. I live in Chicago and have been doing the program also

for a couple of weeks. If you work out at night like me, that is probably why

you are having problems sleeping. I can only workout at night because I have

two small babies (under two)! When I come home from the gym, I take a

shower, eat something and then I am wide awake. I cant fall asleep.

Sometimes, I used to wake up in the middle of the night. I used to take

supplements to help me workout. If you do, that can be another problem. I

would especially wake up when I was taking supplements. I hope that is

helpful. Write back if you want to talk.

Michele

[Guest guest]

Hi again everyone,

Well, all of your suggestions regarding sleeping are great. But--I drink

no coffee, or any other type of caffeine for that matter. I workout

first thing in the morning so it's not too close to bedtime. I don't

take Phen-Free or any other supplements (even though I know I should!).

And I've been eating with the plan and keeping my simple carbs way low.

I've even tried eating more or less at night just in case it was a

problem with bring too hungry or too full at bedtime.

So I'm still puzzled. Perhaps it's just my body still adjusting to this

new " lifestyle. " Well, it better get used to it soon! Maybe I'm just too

stresses out...

Thanks again for the inspiration!

[Guest guest]

Well sleep is NEVER a problem for me! Unless I take one too many Ephedra

type products!! LOL!!

Well I just recently started my first 12 week challenge. ( Not officially,

just for myself) I've noticed a Dull headache here and there every now and

then throughout the day. I think dejunking my diet and eating right has a

lot to do with that. It takes my body a few weeks to accustom to the new

lifestyle adjustments. Maybe that's the same type of thing that's happening

to you too.

Good luck to you and never give up. I'm sure things will work themselves

out.

SHEL

[Guest guest]

Hi ! Thanks for standing up and being counted!

Regarding your question about sleeping (or

sleeplessness) there are several questions you must

ask yourself to pinpoint the problem.

1. Do you have a sensitivity to caffeine? If so, are

you using Phen Free? These products may cause

sleeplessness if take too close to nap time.

2. Are you consuming high carbs (high in simple

sugars) in you last meal of the day? Sugar has been

know to cause problems sleeping

3. Are you exercising fairly close to bedtime? The

raise in body temperature, increased blood flow and

endorphin " rush " may also cause sleeplessness.

4. What foods does your last two meals of the day

consist of? One of those meals may contain the

culprit in macro- or micro- nutrient form.

5. Are you a coffee drinker? (See #1)

In summary, the effects of the " transformation " effect

everyone differently. If your sleeplesness continues

to the point where it adversely affects your normal

routine I would suggest seeing your doctor. If

sleeplessness remains with minimal impact on your life

try changing your diet.

I too had this problem but mine was more physiological

than anything. My body would get so revved up I

couldn't sleep no matter how tired I was. I made

changes, cut down on coffee (I LOVE coffee -- I'm just

like Porter Freeman there!)and scheduled my last

workout at least 2.5 hours before I would settle down

for bed. Also, a warm shower and a cup of herbal tea

helped me immensely.

--- <lrussell@...> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I wanted to take a minute to introduce myself. I

> have been lurking on

> this list for a couple of weeks now, and have found

> all of your

> information, ideas and photos very helpful and very

> inspirational.

>

> I am in week five of my challenge and making great

> progress so far. The

> workout part of the problem has gone great, but the

> eating part was a

> problem for the first three weeks (had guests in

> town for two weeks and

> then had PMS!). Working now on the eating and it

> seems to be really

> kicking the fat burning into gear.

>

> My question today is: I have been having problems

> sleeping for the last

> week and I wondered if it could be a result of the

> program. I very

> rarely have problems sleeping, so it has been

> strange lately. Does

> anybody else have problems sleeping while on the

> program. If so, any

> ideas what's causing it?

>

> Thanks for all your inspiration,

>

>

>

=====

We have the ability to REINVENT ourselves everyday. Tomorrow, why not become

someone stronger, more determined, more confident, more loving, more passionate

about life and more successful?

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Sara: Not really commenting on your e-mail though I agree with it. My son

averages 5 hours a night which means I average 3-4 because I can't go to

sleep until I am sure he is asleep. I did; however, want to question your

user id pastmidvale. Is that by chance referencing Midvale, ID? Peggy

[Guest guest]

Sara,

Sleep--what's that!!! Garry and I go to bed about 10 and and JJ are

up at 4:30

Sam--10 hours

Tim--7 hours but he is my night owl in past years-bed at 11 up at 5

JJ--11 hours even with the change of meds lately And he does nap for about

1 hour during the day.

-9 hours

Essie--10 hours

Bed times start at 6pm(JJ) and Sam is in bed by 9.

Just my input.

& Garry, parents of (10 ds), (9 ds), JJ (7

ds/autism/celiac), (6 ds/ADHD/Celiac), and Esther (4 ds). All adopted.

[Guest guest]

Been doing a lot of thinking about this sleep thing. I think this is the

most difficult thing that we deal with. And from what I am seeing with a

broad range of autistic behaviors- this is worde than the destruction, the

aberrant behavior, the food fetishes, the perseverating.

So we need to work on this issue. Without sleep we cannot parent. Without

sleep, our kids' functional behavior is worde. Maybe we just haven't

addressed this issue as strongly as some of the other issues but I know for

me that this was a big mistake. For a long time, I thought that the lack of

being able to sleep was because I as a parent was not following a strong

enough program.

Think of the money that could be made if we had a RELIABLE sleep aide for

our kids. Just heard a commercial for AMBIEn on TV - it should only work as

reported!!!

Sara

_________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

Beyond the mattress...just found this old emial to me

from Jim, about direction. I am now sleeping head to

south. Looks like I better switch. Thought someone else

might benefit from this.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~From Jim~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sleeping head to south is the least of the

acceptable directions. I was sleeping head

to north which is one better and when I moved to

head east I slept like a baby. You need to move

your bed!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What do you all think of direction of bed while sleeping?

And how important is to have it EXACT...not just generally

north but lined up by compass?

~^^V^^~

[Guest guest]

Beyond the mattress...just found this old emial to me

from Jim, about direction. I am now sleeping head to

south. Looks like I better switch. Thought someone else

might benefit from this.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~From Jim~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sleeping head to south is the least of the

acceptable directions. I was sleeping head

to north which is one better and when I moved to

head east I slept like a baby. You need to move

your bed!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

What do you all think of direction of bed while sleeping?

And how important is to have it EXACT...not just generally

north but lined up by compass?

~^^V^^~

[Guest guest]

Do You Sleep

on a Healthy Bed?

by Eliana Jantz

The best way for me to begin to really address the " health " of your

bed is to introduce you to the age-old wonders of pure wool.

I have been developing alternative sleep environments since 1980,

using the best natural materials I could find, namely organic cotton

and wool.

Through my business The Natural Bedroom, I soon came to the obvious

conclusion that wool is superior to any other fiber, natural or

synthetic, when it comes to creating a " healthy " bed.

Here's why:

Wool handles moisture better than any other fiber. Completely mildew

resistant, you, the sleeper, will always feel comfortable and never

overly sweaty. There is no chance of mildew forming in the wool.

(Mildew is one of the main irritants to the immune system, and people

are often unaware of the presence of mildew in their bed).

Wool responds to your body temperature changes instantly, always

keeping you in the comfort zone. Never too hot nor too cold. This

means wool will be comfortable in the winter as well as summer. For

couples who share the same bed but require different conditions for

optimal comfort, wool allows for it, by acclimating accordingly.

Wool provides a wonderful resilient quality of support to your body.

Again, it seems to cover the gamut of differing individual

preferences, and is therefore a blessing to the couple sharing a bed.

Wool can be a great relief for menopausal symptoms, as well as

arthritic symptoms.

Wool has been a great friend to humanity for thousands of years the

world over.

America lost its connection to wool when the industrial revolution

introduced us wholesale to synthetics and their toxic counterparts.

Europe never lost its appreciation for wool. Wool is their mainstay

ingredient for quality bedding.

The wool I use is sheared locally and purchased directly from the

woolgrowers. It is then washed and carded (combed into consistent

layers ­ batting). This very " pure " form of wool is used to make

comforters and mattress toppers (or mini-mattresses), wool pads, wool

comforters, and pillows, including neck-support pillows.

Untreated and unbleached cotton muslin surrounds the wool. There is

no direct contact with the wool. You can completely surround yourself

with the healing qualities of wool, top and bottom. I can guarantee

that the improved quality of your sleep will be immediately obvious.

Now I would like to talk about the underlying mattress. This is what

determines the quality of support. Most Americans have grown up

sleeping on beds that are too soft ­ and often it isn't until years

later that this kind of support finally takes its toll and the body

yearns for firm, solid support.

Spring mattresses (now filled with synthetic and toxic materials) are

an American phenomenon. Europeans not only avoid boxsprings, but they

also use significantly fewer innersprings. The spring mattress is in

essence artificial support, and I consider it detrimental to good

structural health.

Foam mattresses, the non-spring alternative, when placed on a solid

base is a healthier form of support, but it does not breathe either,

which leaves our skin stifled in its objective to detoxify and

rebalance our whole system.

Good resting as a result of proper support will increase the normalcy

of our biorhythms, our digestion, elimination, absorption,

restoration, assimilation, immune and nerve system rebuilding.

I personally never liked the feel of the innerspring. As a child, I

felt like I would roll off and fall on the floor, and so my choice

was always the foam bed.

Finally, in 1980, I saw the first bed that I really liked. It was a

hand-made, cotton-filled futon. It felt really friendly. I was so

inspired I share-bought it for my sister's wedding.

Shortly afterward I moved from my home in Canada to northern

California ­ the land of the free and natural - but there was not a

single cotton futon to be found. I searched for a clue on how to make

these natural mattresses and was lucky to find someone who knew the

traditional Japanese technique.

I started to give workshops so people could make their own natural

mattresses, and I wrote how-to-manuals and materials and sold them by

mail order. But the problem with cotton-filled mattresses (cotton

futons) is that cotton has a tendency to mildew quite easily. Also,

it dries too slowly.

Here is where the wool topper will help. The wool topper will remedy

almost any situation, except the issue of mattress support quality.

If you are on a too soft mattress, obviously the wool topper will not

remedy this situation. The simplest solution? A cotton futon or foam

or latex mattress over a slatted wooden frame with a wool topper over

it. This rather lightweight wool topper or pad can be easily aired

and sunned - as the Europeans do - and moisture does not have a

chance to settle in the underlying mattress.

So far, that is the best practical advice I can offer you.

You are welcome to visit our web site at Shepherd's Dream to learn

more about our products and to learn how to get a brochure of the

wool-filled bedding items we offer. For our current prices via

autoresponder, click here.

You can also call me, Eliana Jantz, at 1-800-966-5540 for a free

consultation regarding your sleep needs. When you call during normal

business hours, California time, please mention that you heard about

Shepherd's Dream from Chet Day and Health & Beyond Weekly.

And, yes, you can always contact me via e-mail at jantz@....

> Beyond the mattress...just found this old emial to me

> from Jim, about direction. I am now sleeping head to

> south. Looks like I better switch. Thought someone else

> might benefit from this.

>

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~From Jim~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Sleeping head to south is the least of the

> acceptable directions. I was sleeping head

> to north which is one better and when I moved to

> head east I slept like a baby. You need to move

> your bed!

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> What do you all think of direction of bed while sleeping?

> And how important is to have it EXACT...not just generally

> north but lined up by compass?

>

> ~^^V^^~

[Guest guest]

Do You Sleep

on a Healthy Bed?

by Eliana Jantz

The best way for me to begin to really address the " health " of your

bed is to introduce you to the age-old wonders of pure wool.

I have been developing alternative sleep environments since 1980,

using the best natural materials I could find, namely organic cotton

and wool.

Through my business The Natural Bedroom, I soon came to the obvious

conclusion that wool is superior to any other fiber, natural or

synthetic, when it comes to creating a " healthy " bed.

Here's why:

Wool handles moisture better than any other fiber. Completely mildew

resistant, you, the sleeper, will always feel comfortable and never

overly sweaty. There is no chance of mildew forming in the wool.

(Mildew is one of the main irritants to the immune system, and people

are often unaware of the presence of mildew in their bed).

Wool responds to your body temperature changes instantly, always

keeping you in the comfort zone. Never too hot nor too cold. This

means wool will be comfortable in the winter as well as summer. For

couples who share the same bed but require different conditions for

optimal comfort, wool allows for it, by acclimating accordingly.

Wool provides a wonderful resilient quality of support to your body.

Again, it seems to cover the gamut of differing individual

preferences, and is therefore a blessing to the couple sharing a bed.

Wool can be a great relief for menopausal symptoms, as well as

arthritic symptoms.

Wool has been a great friend to humanity for thousands of years the

world over.

America lost its connection to wool when the industrial revolution

introduced us wholesale to synthetics and their toxic counterparts.

Europe never lost its appreciation for wool. Wool is their mainstay

ingredient for quality bedding.

The wool I use is sheared locally and purchased directly from the

woolgrowers. It is then washed and carded (combed into consistent

layers ­ batting). This very " pure " form of wool is used to make

comforters and mattress toppers (or mini-mattresses), wool pads, wool

comforters, and pillows, including neck-support pillows.

Untreated and unbleached cotton muslin surrounds the wool. There is

no direct contact with the wool. You can completely surround yourself

with the healing qualities of wool, top and bottom. I can guarantee

that the improved quality of your sleep will be immediately obvious.

Now I would like to talk about the underlying mattress. This is what

determines the quality of support. Most Americans have grown up

sleeping on beds that are too soft ­ and often it isn't until years

later that this kind of support finally takes its toll and the body

yearns for firm, solid support.

Spring mattresses (now filled with synthetic and toxic materials) are

an American phenomenon. Europeans not only avoid boxsprings, but they

also use significantly fewer innersprings. The spring mattress is in

essence artificial support, and I consider it detrimental to good

structural health.

Foam mattresses, the non-spring alternative, when placed on a solid

base is a healthier form of support, but it does not breathe either,

which leaves our skin stifled in its objective to detoxify and

rebalance our whole system.

Good resting as a result of proper support will increase the normalcy

of our biorhythms, our digestion, elimination, absorption,

restoration, assimilation, immune and nerve system rebuilding.

I personally never liked the feel of the innerspring. As a child, I

felt like I would roll off and fall on the floor, and so my choice

was always the foam bed.

Finally, in 1980, I saw the first bed that I really liked. It was a

hand-made, cotton-filled futon. It felt really friendly. I was so

inspired I share-bought it for my sister's wedding.

Shortly afterward I moved from my home in Canada to northern

California ­ the land of the free and natural - but there was not a

single cotton futon to be found. I searched for a clue on how to make

these natural mattresses and was lucky to find someone who knew the

traditional Japanese technique.

I started to give workshops so people could make their own natural

mattresses, and I wrote how-to-manuals and materials and sold them by

mail order. But the problem with cotton-filled mattresses (cotton

futons) is that cotton has a tendency to mildew quite easily. Also,

it dries too slowly.

Here is where the wool topper will help. The wool topper will remedy

almost any situation, except the issue of mattress support quality.

If you are on a too soft mattress, obviously the wool topper will not

remedy this situation. The simplest solution? A cotton futon or foam

or latex mattress over a slatted wooden frame with a wool topper over

it. This rather lightweight wool topper or pad can be easily aired

and sunned - as the Europeans do - and moisture does not have a

chance to settle in the underlying mattress.

So far, that is the best practical advice I can offer you.

You are welcome to visit our web site at Shepherd's Dream to learn

more about our products and to learn how to get a brochure of the

wool-filled bedding items we offer. For our current prices via

autoresponder, click here.

You can also call me, Eliana Jantz, at 1-800-966-5540 for a free

consultation regarding your sleep needs. When you call during normal

business hours, California time, please mention that you heard about

Shepherd's Dream from Chet Day and Health & Beyond Weekly.

And, yes, you can always contact me via e-mail at jantz@....

> Beyond the mattress...just found this old emial to me

> from Jim, about direction. I am now sleeping head to

> south. Looks like I better switch. Thought someone else

> might benefit from this.

>

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~From Jim~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Sleeping head to south is the least of the

> acceptable directions. I was sleeping head

> to north which is one better and when I moved to

> head east I slept like a baby. You need to move

> your bed!

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> What do you all think of direction of bed while sleeping?

> And how important is to have it EXACT...not just generally

> north but lined up by compass?

>

> ~^^V^^~

[Guest guest]

Why is head to east better?

Deanna

**********************************************

> Sleeping head to south is the least of the

> acceptable directions. I was sleeping head

> to north which is one better and when I moved to

> head east I slept like a baby. You need to move

> your bed!

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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[Guest guest]

Vilik wrote:

>

> What do you all think of direction of bed while sleeping?

The health influence of bed orientation can be outweighed by

that of bed location. Several location factors should be

minimized, or totally avoided where possible :

1) Geopathic lines and zones;

2) Broadcasting antennas' radiations (television, radio,

microwave, cellphone, radar, etc.) and the locations of their

mutual interference nodes (i.e., hot spots); and

3) Electrical and magnetic fields, especially those which include

harmonics and transients. This includes any EMFs emitted from :

miswired electrical services; nearby wiring (hidden or not);

nearby appliances (including clocks, radios, televisions,

computers, cellphones, heaters, refrigerators, air-conditioners);

and any improper grounding that results in electrical currents in:

a) water pipes, gas pipes, c) metal air-conditioning ductwork,

and d) any hidden or exposed metal framing or reinforcing of the

building.

> Sleeping head to south is the least of the

> acceptable directions. I was sleeping head

> to north which is one better and when I moved to

> head east I slept like a baby. You need to move

> your bed!

Reading the above, it is impossible to guess if the change of the

bed's direction accounted for the improvement in sleep. Was the

head (i.e., the brain) kept in the exact same location and the bed

pivoted around that point until the head pointed east ? If not,

then the movement of the beds' location could have had everything

to do with the improvement in sleep quality, and the direction of

the bed may have had little or nothing to do with it. Moving the

location (not necessarily the direction) of the bed a few feet can

have a large effect in some cases, such as those listed above.

There is one school of thought that would seem to advocate

sleeping with the head pointed towards the place of one's birth,

referred to as the " Vivaxis spot " -

excerpt from:

http://www.onlineoriginals.com/catalog/showitem.asp?prodID=1092 & sampl

e=text

Green Grass And Stones

An exploration of mysterious 'fields' around living things

Author - Dorothy K Fraser

Sample Text - Copyright © 1997

Chapter 2

- snip -

When we settled on Vancouver Island, I soon discovered a group of

dowsers, led by Frances Nixon, who had virtually re-invented and

renamed the subject, and taught the others, and me, a method of

dowsing using bare hands, with no instruments. We were not

looking for water or gold; we were looking for earth power, the

sort of thing that Stone Age man was dealing with.

When I knew her, Mrs. Nixon was a tall woman, perhaps in her

seventies, keenly perceptive and with enormous personal power.

Sometimes we visited her at her home on the rocky shore of Thetis

Island in the Gulf of Georgia, a beautiful place to learn about

anything. Mrs. Nixon was a good teacher. She told us to believe

the first results we got, even if they seemed crazy. She said

they were probably right, and they would make sense later. And

that is often true.

She taught us that we each bear a connection to the spot on the

earth where we were born, or actually just before we were born.

We can each draw energy from that connection with the earth's

field, by facing into a line towards the Vivaxis spot, and being

receptive to its influence. A connection is set up between an

individual and his Vivaxis, if he is in tune with it and if he is

oriented towards it in space.

It's clear to me now that Mrs Nixon didn't teach us everything

that she knew; I have tracked down a number of things that she

had only hinted at. And she would suddenly withdraw something we

were all working on. Now I think she thought that some things

were too dangerous -- she came close to saying so once. Mrs.

Nixon died a few years ago, and the group has fallen to pieces.

Much has been lost with her death.

- snip -

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

excerpt from:

http://www.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/bioenergies.htm

BIO-ENERGIES

By Walter Last

- snip -

Vivaxis Energies

Vivaxis is a term coined by Frances Nixon for etheric energy

beams that link us to specific locations. The most important one

of these is our birth vivaxis, linking us to key energy points

near the place of our birth in a two-way circuit. Perhaps

migrating birds and insects find their distant destinations by

being able to sense and follow these vivaxis beams. This would

also explain how dogs sometimes cover hundreds of miles of

unknown territory to unexpectedly turn up at their owner's house.

In addition, there are Earth beams circling our planet. These

contain the frequencies of all the elements necessary for life

and are related to our individual energy fields by our vivaxis

energies.

Health problems may arise if our energy absorption from these

essential energy beams is disturbed. This may happen as a

general planetary condition after nuclear testing or, on a more

individual scale, if we live in dwellings encased by metal (for

example, aluminum coating or insulation, steel-reinforced

concrete, wire mesh). Furthermore, our internal energy receptors

may become disturbed after exposure to X-rays or other strong

electromagnetic radiation, by wrongly applied strong magnets,

prolonged mental stress, by marijuana, vibrating tools,

infrasonic waves, environmental imbalances, pesticides as well as

toxic chemicals in various drugs, foods and cosmetics.

Foreign vivaxes to which we may become linked can be created by

hypnotism, strong magnets, electrical acupuncture treatment and

pulse-wave machines, accidentally received electric shocks, and

even contact healing and reflexology and acupressure, especially

if a therapist exerts strong pressure, on bilateral points. Some

of these foreign vivaxes can disturb our natural-force flows

before they gradually disappear. On a certain energy level we

seem to remain linked to everyone whom we ever touched.

- snip -

..

[Guest guest]

> <<He ALWAYS sleeps sitting up (Indian style) and bent over at the waist.

> He never falls asleep that way but ends up that way during the night

> and we still have to correct him about 4-5 times through the night.

> He snores once-in-a-while. . .but the position he sleeps in bugs me.

Kathy>>

>

>

> Hi, Everyone....Kathy...Gareth use to sleep this way all the time.

Dr. told

> me once he would be concerned about his aorta if it was

chronic.....guess to

> much stress on it. Anyways, keep the sleep apnea in mind.....it

might be

> 's way of getting enough air. Take care,

> Everyone.

> Margaret

WOW! Garrett sleeps that way a lot! He starts out like that though!

How scary about the aorta. I have never really worried about it, but

I guess I should! Thanks for the warning!

Traci

[Guest guest]

i will have to keep an eye on that too, nathan will often sleep bended in half

too or may hae his knees up under him while he is on his stomach and his little

butt in the air and his face on the bed,lol, i never thought it would dangerous,

but we often reposition him appropriately for his cpap mask so it dont leak and

the weighted blankets hlep inthis area too. shawna.

Re: sleeping

> <<He ALWAYS sleeps sitting up (Indian style) and bent over at the waist.

> He never falls asleep that way but ends up that way during the night

> and we still have to correct him about 4-5 times through the night.

> He snores once-in-a-while. . .but the position he sleeps in bugs me.

Kathy>>

>

>

> Hi, Everyone....Kathy...Gareth use to sleep this way all the time.

Dr. told

> me once he would be concerned about his aorta if it was

chronic.....guess to

> much stress on it. Anyways, keep the sleep apnea in mind.....it

might be

> 's way of getting enough air. Take care,

> Everyone.

> Margaret

WOW! Garrett sleeps that way a lot! He starts out like that though!

How scary about the aorta. I have never really worried about it, but

I guess I should! Thanks for the warning!

Traci

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--Sleeping has been a big issue for us. Eyal was originally dx with sleep

apnea at age 8 fter years of night awakening with screaming which I was told

was " part of the retardation " . HOOOOEEEEE!! :~(

He had very large tonsils and adnoids which caused obstructive sleep apnea.

Waking and screaming was the brin stem saying he neded Oxygen NOW>

But about a year after surgery he started to need less and less sleep. By

age 12 he was averaging six to 10 hours a week. Needless to say I was a

mess. He would awake and turn on the TV and videos blasting, and replaying

3 secon intervals.

Then we switched dr. caused we moved. She immediately suggested Benadryl so

that he would go to sleep and maybe stay asleep. I will not say it is a

panacea, but most nights we are getting him into bed by 10 and asleep

usually before 11. We are gradually trying to move him to 9 bedtime and 10

asleep as he now gets up earlier for school.

Hope this gives you some peace. Oh yes, as to new house - we have a gate

attached with velcro at the top of our stairs with a LOUD cowbell on it.

This has thus far confined Elie to the 2nd floor even if he awakes as he

doesn' like the bell sound. We also have Radio Shack magnet alarms on the

doors that go out of our house just in case he gets the idea to wander

outside.

Sara

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Hey Donna!

Seth has been up nights since the holidays too. But now that his room is

*Seth proofed*, I just let him play. I thought I'd give him until Monday to

get back on schedule, and then start the Melatonin too. Truthfully, those

vacation days when he slept till 10 or 11 were WONDERFUL!!!!!! LOL Love the

Barney tuck in story! Seth just takes his shoe, as usual. LOL

Gail :-)

<< Diane,

Lately, we've had issues with sleep. Last night was brutal as a matter

of fact. We had blood work done and I thought for sure Maddie would go

down

easy, but no way!!!! I blame this partly on us all being out of schedule

with the holidays; one day Maddie slept til 11:45!!!!!! Totally my fault,

I

know. I'll give it a little more time, and if she doesn't get back to

routine, I'll give her some melatonin like Joan suggests. BUT, that being

said, let me tell you what worked before. She ADORES Barney, so we put

her to bed each night with 4 of them. A couple of them talk when you

squeeze their hands, so we make a routine of tucking the talking Barneys in,

kissing them, having them kiss Maddie, and kissing Maddie. Her room is

safe, so if she gets up, I just let her play and do what she wants. I

always know when she's been up through the night because all her stuffed

animals are lined up FACE DOWN on the floor....LOLOLOL; she doens't want to

make eye contact with them......LOLOL But at least she gets the picture

that she's there for the night. Now, naturally, if she's sick, the ONLY

thing that will work is me laying with her, but sheesh, why should she be

any

different than her four siblings....;-)

Donna

>>

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At 01:36 PM 1/8/03 -0500, you wrote:

>. I

>always know when she's been up through the night because all her stuffed

>animals are lined up FACE DOWN on the floor....LOLOLOL; she doens't want to

>make eye contact with them......LOLOL But at least she gets the picture

>that she's there for the night. Now, naturally, if she's sick, the ONLY

>thing that will work is me laying with her, but sheesh, why should she be any

>different than her four siblings....;-)

>Donna

That is SUCH a trip that she doesn't want to make eye contact with her

animals!!!!! I never even thought of that before...I wonder if my son

feels that way with any of his!!!! LOL

Thanks for the chuckle!!!

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In a message dated 1/8/2003 3:09:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, kmh@...

writes:

> That is SUCH a trip that she doesn't want to make eye contact with her

> animals!!!!! I never even thought of that before...I wonder if my son

> feels that way with any of his!!!! LOL

> Thanks for the chuckle!!!

LOL Oh , she has a table and chair set in her bedroom and the chairs

are adorable. The backs of them are giant bunny faces, one boy and one

girl. When I go in some mornings, even the bunny chairs are tossed over and

face down....LOL

Donna

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In a message dated 1/8/03 8:32:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

joan@... writes:

> Andy does this stuff. He can't stand it when stuffed animals or realistic

> paintings look at him.

I was just reading all of these threads on sleeping and I have to say that I

(thats me) don't like stuffed animals or realistic paintings looking at me in

the dark either. I hadn't thought about it in years and I do not have any of

these things in my room. I don't even like people on covers of magazine

looking at me when I'm on the bathroom. lolololo Of course, I think it's

perfectly normal. smile. Guess I should take all those teddybears and bunnies

off Rochelle's shelf. She can't reach them and who knows if they bother her.

Diane

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I hate to admit it but everyone here has exactly the same schedule and

routine but me. I am so off track between the holidays and the new baby. I

think I may need an entire bottle of melotonin. Maddie is just too funny!

Seth slept until 11:00 too. I am just so jealous LOL.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 10 DS/OCD ?

[Guest guest]

that melotonin really works!!! anytime we are having a hard time getting

nathan to sleep, which is pretty often , we just give him a melotonin and

wiht in 30minuts he is out...zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I think i read somewhere it is

good for immunities booster too. shawna.

Sleeping

> Diane,

> Lately, we've had issues with sleep. Last night was brutal as a

matter

> of fact. We had blood work done and I thought for sure Maddie would go

down

> easy, but no way!!!! I blame this partly on us all being out of

schedule

> with the holidays; one day Maddie slept til 11:45!!!!!! Totally my

fault, I

> know. I'll give it a little more time, and if she doesn't get back to

> routine, I'll give her some melatonin like Joan suggests. BUT, that

being

> said, let me tell you what worked before. She ADORES Barney, so we put

> her to bed each night with 4 of them. A couple of them talk when you

> squeeze their hands, so we make a routine of tucking the talking Barneys

in,

> kissing them, having them kiss Maddie, and kissing Maddie. Her room is

> safe, so if she gets up, I just let her play and do what she wants. I

> always know when she's been up through the night because all her stuffed

> animals are lined up FACE DOWN on the floor....LOLOLOL; she doens't want

to

> make eye contact with them......LOLOL But at least she gets the picture

> that she's there for the night. Now, naturally, if she's sick, the ONLY

> thing that will work is me laying with her, but sheesh, why should she be

any

> different than her four siblings....;-)

> Donna

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 08:26 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>. The backs of them are giant bunny faces, one boy and one

>girl. When I go in some mornings, even the bunny chairs are tossed over and

>face down....

Andy does this stuff. He can't stand it when stuffed animals or realistic

paintings look at him. He scratched the eyes of this big bear I had as a

girl and the stuffed dog I kept by teh front door of my apartment in

college to scare boys away (not really).

The other day he was sort of looking at these bears all hung on clips by

the check out stand so I took one off to show him (not thinking...). He was

fine until I made it " talk " and then it was " aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! "

And I had to hang it up with it's face to the wall!

j