shampoo bars

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What is Angies site? Pamela

Yaaruln@... wrote: In a message dated 6/13/02 9:51:07 AM Central Daylight

Time,

mvogler@... writes:

> Is there any recipe out there that does not call for lye? Sort of like a

> lotion bar, only shampoo?

Angie's site, the herbarie has some recipes for liquid shampoo, no lye.

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The www.herbarie.com has it. I would think fnwl might also.

Hope this helps,

Sherry s

Now where would one find Polysorbate 20? Like at Walmart or...?

Angel (curious as ever!)

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RE: shampoo bars

Vogler, Melody H. was overheard saying:

> Sure will, sweetie!! The recipe is SOOO simple. Just mix 3.5 oz. of

> distilled water with 30 drops of whatever EO or FO you wish to use and

> 30 drops of Polysorbate 20, which will keep the oil and water mixed.

Now where would one find Polysorbate 20? Like at Walmart or...?

Angel (curious as ever!)

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In a message dated 11/7/02 9:18:17 PM Central Standard Time, Djg3@...

writes:

> Hi all I would like to find a good recipe for shampoo bars, the simpler

> the better! Any suggestions or recipes would be appreciated!

>

> TIA, Deborah

>

>

>

This is what we use at my house.

Shampoo Bar

12oz coconut oil

19oz olive oil

12oz caster oil

16oz water

6oz lye

1oz eo/fo

Pour when both mixtures have reached 100 degrees. Takes a day or two to set

up before unmolding. Cure 6 weeks.

Sage

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Hi Deborah,

Here is a basic s/poo bar recipe

Barbara's Basic Shampoo

10 oz Rapeseed oil

3 oz Coconut oil

2 oz Castor oil

2 oz Lye

5.5 oz Chamomile tea (very strong +2 sugars)

I find this great for dry curly hair, I have gone from frizz to curl using

this basic recipe.

At 07/11/02 23:12, you wrote:

>Hi all I would like to find a good recipe for shampoo bars, the simpler

>the better! Any suggestions or recipes would be appreciated!

Baz in Lancs UK

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Don't mean to sound ignorant, but what exactly is a shampoo bar?

In a message dated 11/8/02 7:25:03 AM Central Standard Time,

babs@... writes:

> Hi Deborah,

> Here is a basic s/poo bar recipe

>

> Barbara's Basic Shampoo

> 10 oz Rapeseed oil

> 3 oz Coconut oil

> 2 oz Castor oil

> 2 oz Lye

> 5.5 oz Chamomile tea (very strong +2 sugars)

>

> I find this great for dry curly hair, I have gone from frizz to curl using

> this basic recipe.

>

Kay and Stoli

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>Pour when both mixtures have reached 100 degrees. Takes a day or two to set

>up before unmolding. Cure 6 weeks.

>

>Sage

I made a shampoo bar quite a while back and it took what I thought

was FOREVER to harden. Is it the castor oil that does this to the

soap? I thought I totally messed up the recipe!

Judy

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In a message dated 11/8/02 3:05:21 PM Central Standard Time,

babs@... writes:

> Hi Kay and Stoli,

> A shampoo bar is like a bar of soap only with extra good things in for your

>

> hair, like castor oil, and I like rapeseed/canola oil for my hair,

>

Thanks, so it lathers well, hmmm, seems a strange concept, but I will just

have to try it! I have been using a tea tree shampoo and it is getting

harder and harder to find and even more expensive!!

Kay and Stoli

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In a message dated 11/8/02 9:31:54 AM Central Standard Time,

info@... writes:

> I made a shampoo bar quite a while back and it took what I thought

> was FOREVER to harden. Is it the castor oil that does this to the

> soap? I thought I totally messed up the recipe!

>

>

Judy,

I don't know. There is a lot of olive oil and that can take some time to

set, too. If the recipe had not warned me it would take a while to set

enough to unmold, I would have thought I messed it up, too! :-)

Sage

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In a message dated 11/8/02 9:31:58 AM Central Standard Time,

silverstoli@... writes:

> Don't mean to sound ignorant, but what exactly is a shampoo bar?

>

>

>

It is a bar, like a bar of soap, made to shampoo your hair. :-)

Sage

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Thanks for the recipe, Barbara! Where do you find rapeseed oil?

Deborah

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Thanks so much, Sage I haven't worked with lye yet, so do you have any

pointers?

TIA, Deborah

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At 08/11/02 13:58, you wrote:

>Don't mean to sound ignorant, but what exactly is a shampoo bar?

Hi Kay and Stoli,

A shampoo bar is like a bar of soap only with extra good things in for your

hair, like castor oil, and I like rapeseed/canola oil for my hair,

chammomile tea /eo and rosemary tea/eo are both good for hair too.

Just as you formulate your soap recipes to suit your requirements you can

do the same for your hair, I have not used commercial s/poo or conditioners

for 18 months, once my hair had got used to my s/poo bars (can take 3 -4

weeks) I found them much nicer to use and now I don't need a conditioner at

all. I occasionally use a lemon juice rinse, about once every six months

or so, or when I remember. HTH

Baz in Lancs UK

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In a message dated 11/9/02 6:17:00 AM Central Standard Time, Djg3@...

writes:

> Thanks so much, Sage I haven't worked with lye yet, so do you have any

>

I will probably be sent to the corner, but like a lot of soap makers, I do

not do the goggle, glove, toxic waste protective gear. I put my lye in a

plastic pitcher and set this at the back on my stove with the vent turned up

high. That is where I add the water. The fumes go up the vent and after

about 30 seconds you can put the pitcher anywhere and the fumes will not

bother you. The safety thing I do do is to put a bottle of vinegar on the

counter. This neutralizes the lye. So, in case of accident, pour vinegar.

If I spill dry lye crystals, I just wipe them up dry with a paper towel. Lye

can be nasty, but I really thing this horrible and unnecessary aura has been

created around it that frightens people from using it. Do you know it is

also used in the food industry? We eat this stuff in some foods. (kids, do

not try this at home) Take normal care and you will be fine. Good luck.

Sage

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At 08/11/02 22:29, you wrote:

>Thanks for the recipe, Barbara! Where do you find rapeseed oil?

Hi Deborah,

Sorry if you are in the US or Canada use Canola oil the rapeseed oil I use

here in the UK has the same properties. I know in the US it is

different. The sap value I use is 0.134. And I get it from the

supermarket. HTH

Baz in Lancs UK

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Hi Girls,

I make loads of s/poo bars and most are 70 oz batches and I find 3 - 4 oz

of castor more than enough, I balance that with a hard oil like Palm

Kernal, I also like to use lard and tallow ( personal choice) and

canola and coconut some times, I DBHP it and unmold after 24hours and get

hard bars all the time. HTH

> I made a shampoo bar quite a while back and it took what I thought

> was FOREVER to harden. Is it the castor oil that does this to the

> soap? I thought I totally messed up the recipe!

Baz in Lancs UK

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In a message dated 11/9/02 10:43:17 PM Central Standard Time, Yaaruln@...

writes:

> In a message dated 11/9/02 6:17:00 AM Central Standard Time, Djg3@...

> writes:

>

>

> > Thanks so much, Sage I haven't worked with lye yet, so do you have

> any

>

Hi:)

I am not Sage, but I want to tell you that one of the most important things

is to always add the lye to the water,....if you add water to lye you can get

a violent volcano-like eruption....you don't want that;)

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In a message dated 11/9/02 10:43:17 PM Central Standard Time, Yaaruln@...

writes:

> In a message dated 11/9/02 6:17:00 AM Central Standard Time, Djg3@...

> writes:

>

>

> > Thanks so much, Sage I haven't worked with lye yet, so do you have

> any

>

Hi:)

I am not Sage, but I want to tell you that one of the most important things

is to always add the lye to the water,....if you add water to lye you can get

a violent volcano-like eruption....you don't want that;)

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At 09/11/02 20:34, you wrote:

>I will probably be sent to the corner, but like a lot of soap makers, I do

>not do the goggle, glove, toxic waste protective gear.

Hi Girls,

Same here, just a word about the vinegar, vinegar is fine on things like

work tops etc, but not on the skin, it takes time to neutralize the lye if

you get it on your skin please use cold running water not vinegar, cold

running water washes off the lye and cools the burns at the same time.

Baz in Lancs UK

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In a message dated 11/10/02 7:06:24 AM Central Standard Time,

babs@... writes:

> Same here, just a word about the vinegar, vinegar is fine on things like

> work tops etc, but not on the skin, it takes time to neutralize the lye if

> you get it on your skin please use cold running water not vinegar, cold

> running water washes off the lye and cools the burns at the same time.

>

I wonder if the type of vinegar matters. I have gotten lye on my fingers and

used both running water and vinegar. Vinegar definitely got that slimy feel

off more quickly. I have the vinegar sitting out there because that is what

all my books that address the topic of lye safety recommend. (True, they

also recommend goggles, gloves, aprons, etc., and I ignore that.....) :-)

Sage

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In a message dated 11/10/02 9:18:32 AM Central Standard Time,

whimzyacres@... writes:

> I am not Sage, but I want to tell you that one of the most important things

> is to always add the lye to the water,....if you add water to lye you can

> get

> a violent volcano-like eruption....you don't want that;)

>

I am wondering if this is folk lore. I learned just as emphatically, the

opposite, to add the water to the lye to avoid the eruption and later have

read and heard that it does not really matter which way you do it. Now I

tend to believe that it does not matter. The safety measure I do take when I

mix is to have the pitcher at the back of the stove well under the vent and

well away from my face.

Ya gotta love the conflicting advice. When I started making soap I had books

that would give totally conflicting information on some points. It drove me

crazy before I learned that just had to relax, experiment, and learn what was

true for the methods, equipment, and supplies I use.

Sage

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Sage - The gentleman I purchase my lye from, (a reputable chemical dealer in

the business for many, many years) tells me every time I buy it, to be

extremely careful while using it, not only because it is terribly caustic

but because the fumes can damage the lungs and in his opinion, lye is one of

the MOST dangerous chemicals on the market. I, personally, don't believe

you can be TOO careful in its usage. As far as the vinegar goes, sure -

keep it near, but do not throw caution to the wind and not be protected from

the very real dangers of sodium hydroxide. Not being more protected IS

dangerous. Adding water to the lye instead of lye to the water, is also a

very dangerous practice. I for one do NOT encourage danger. Your comment

" lye can be dangerous " is incorrect. Lye IS dangerous. Although it may be

used in the food industry, do you suppose that extreme safety measures are

not enforced? As to taking " normal " care - just who sets the standard for

normal? When working with lye, " good luck " is simply not enough.

Namaste,

Lynette

Terralyn at the Terminal,

Philadelphia, PA

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I work in a laboratory and we ALWAYS add the acid or base to the water NEVER

the other way around.... it's like one of the BIG rules !!!! Doing it the

other way around causes an eruption which could be very dangerous if it got

on your skin or in your eyes....

HTH

Vicki

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In a message dated 11/10/02 4:33:56 PM Central Standard Time, Yaaruln@...

writes:

> I am wondering if this is folk lore.

No it is not folk lore...it can happen. When the water hits the lye, the lye

expands and if you have it in a small space it can actually be a very violent

and quick reaction. Do not add water to lye. Chemicals are nothing to fool

around with, and lye is a dangerous chemical all by itself. It needs to be

treated with respect.

My son is a high school science teacher and biology/chemistry major in

college, he had lots of advise for me when he found out I was using lye:)

OT: when he started teaching, they went into the chemical closet at the

school, (kids were not present) to clean out the retiring teacher's chemicals

and take inventory....they found Picric Acid, which in it's liquid form is

ok...but this had crystalized..in that form it is a level four explosive!

They had to evacuate the school and all the houses for 1/2 mile because it

could have vaporized everything if jostled! Hazmat wouldn't touch it, the

Military bomb squad had to dispose of it...good thing he didn't just throw it

in the trash! Sorry...I just had to tell that:)

Take care:)

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Thanks, everybody for the information about using lye! After reading the

posts, I feel even more than ever, though, that I would rather not use it.

So, does anyone have any recipes for shampoo bars that do not use lye?

Thanks,

Deborah