Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War

[Guest guest]

What I like about Dr. Phil is being proven right here - he makes us THINK. Even

if the subject he is discussing is one we can't immediately relate to ... it

still makes us think. I am sooo disappointed I missed seeing yesterday's show

but I went to the site gave us - I didn't see much there but I did learn

that this was a rerun from 1/01 and it is Part I - so I assume the next two

weeks will be II and III! So I will be sure and tune in or tape the next two

Tuesday shows for sure!

Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War

Hi Ladies,

I'm so glad I brought up Dr. Phil. I can see that he has many fans

round here. I really like him, too. I think he says things that

people don't want to hear. Many people, as Serenity pointed out,

don't want to take responsibility for their behavior. It's also

interesting what Park said, that she only started agreeing with him

after she lost a lot of weight; when she was larger, it was too hard

to face the truth.

I appreciate Katrina's post. You have such great insight into your

payoffs, Katrina.

I've definitely played the " poor me " in the past. You've all been

witness to it, but deep down inside I know I gained the weight back

because I binged for four months straight. Dr. Phil got me thinking

yesterday: Why did I do it if I hate being this size? What makes

food so hard to resist? I had broken up with my fiance of three

years two months before the bingeing began. I told myself that it

didn't matter, that it was a long time coming, etc. Only now do I

see that I ate for comfort. I ate because I was lonely, and food

filled that void. Fat insulates you from the world.

I was burned badly in my last relationship, and it's so easy to use

weight as an excuse: Oh, I'll get into another relationship, I'll

trust again, WHEN I lose weight. It allows you to not deal with the

other issues in your life. Only now do I realize that that's my

payoff. Facing the truth is hard, but it can set you free.

Dani

[Guest guest]

That is EXACTLY what Dr. Phil was saying. He let the women give all

their " reasons " , and them told them it was all BS. They were fat

because they chose to be.

Now, that seems kind of harsh, but look further. We are all where we

are, weight wise, because we look at a plate of cookies next to a

plate of salad, and choose the cookies 9 out of 10 times. There are

reasons behind those choices, but by acknowledging that they ARE

choices you can start to take ownership of your life.

All the excuses; " I love food too much " , " I'm under a lot of

stress " , " My metabolism is slow, or slower than it was 20 years ago "

are all just that, excuses. The reason we continue to be over weight

is because we choose this lifestyle. Why do we choose it? The

reasons are different for each of us. As Katriana said, sometimes it

is for a feeling of physical safety.

I can tell you my reasons. I'm sure there are more than just this,

but I'll give you the biggest one now. And remember, these are

emotions, not rational thoughts. I stay this way because I'm afraid

that once I loose the weight I'll find that people (and I) still

don't like me. I'm afraid to find out that it isn't the fat the

people don't like, but something intrinsic in me.

Now, I know that there is a lot of irrationality in there; for one I

have a number of good friends that tell me they love me. On my best

days I will say that I think I'm a pretty spiffy person, although the

days I'm able to say that are not as frequent as they should be.

Those irrational thoughts were forged in the past, by cruel people's

actions towards me. I know that I have to slay that deamon before

I'll get long term success at weight loss.

Anyway, Dr Phil was agreeing with what most of us on this list have

said before. I eat for a dozen reasons, none of them being from

hunger.

Alys

> Not having a TV, the one recent time that I've seen Oprah was while

I was at

> a Doctor appointment. For 20 minutes I listened (since I was

unable to focus

> on my book) to very obese women talk about how they are unable to

control the

> food they eat. I listened to the " I'm fat and it's not my fault.

I have no

> control of what goes into my mouth. " And, I'm sorry since I know

this will

> offend half the posting population if not more, but that's a load

of BS. If

> you truly cannot control your actions (which include eating), you

need to

> seek professional (not Oprah) help. People plead insanity in

murder cases

> since they are unable to control their actions.

> It just really pisses me off. I'm fat because I made the choice to

eat

> poorly and not exercise. I think the only way people can make a

successful

> lifestyle change is if they actually own up and take responsibility

for their

> actions. I am so sick of the " oh woe am I.. have pity on me since

I can't

> control myself " culture that is so prevalent these days.

> Grrrr.

>

> Sorry for the rant

> Serenity

[Guest guest]

a - I'm kinda easing into it now. NOT doing it the total BFL way yet ...

Today I did HIIT on the treadmill for 5 minutes (increased from 4) ... then I

did the bike for 6 minutes. Didn't hit my 10 there but kept up a good pace.

Then I did some biceps and triceps with free weights (only using 8 lbs) and only

did 3 reps of 12 each. After that I did all the stretches given me by the

Physical Therapist who included one leg exercie and says she will be going more

each time I go. I feel so great when I workout ... never thought I would miss

it this much ... and at first it bothered me that I'm not doing a 12-week

segment but I seem to be doing fine without it. I will start one once I can do

more of the BFL workouts tho - just so I have " start-finish " dates to mark my

goals.

Thanx for asking.

Rita

Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War

In a message dated 6/12/2002 12:33:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ribar@... writes:

> JUST when I was going to start C2. Now ordinarily this would be my perfect

> excuse to also go back to my old eating habits - but I haven't!!! BFL

> RULES!!!

>

Excellent, Rita! What a major accomplishment! When do you think you'll be

able to resume working out? a

[Guest guest]

that is true, people with thyroid problems, and a few other health

issues, do have more concrete reasons to have problems maintaining.

One women got up and said " women have more fat naturaly, and post-

meopausal women put weight on more readily " . His answer was " Yup.

Tough. That just means you have to try harder. " He gives no quarter!

I think that, most likely, he did not state any acceptions to his

ideas so that we would not all latch on to them. " See? I probably

have a faulthy thyroid! " It is a horrible situation for those

fighting it, and I hope never to be among them, but it really is a

small percentage of the people that are over weight, don't you think?

Alys

[Guest guest]

My mom in law has about a non exsistant thyriod. It was damaged

during a neck surgery when she was 17. She takes so many meds for it

I cant even remember them all. And to top that off, she also has a

type of arthritist she has to take meds for that totally whacks her

hormones out of whack.

That being said, since having been part of her family, I can honestly

say she tries her darnest to lose weight. And she needs to. she is

barely 4 foot 10 and weighs a lot ( I am guessing 250+). The most she

has lost since knowing her ( going on 9 years) is anbout 20 pounds.

But, for every so many pounds she losses they have to revamp her meds

and she then gains weight back.

I hate to say it but I do think some people are just more prone to

being over weight.

LOL, I am starting to think I am one of them

Shonda

> that is true, people with thyroid problems, and a few other health

> issues, do have more concrete reasons to have problems

maintaining.

> One women got up and said " women have more fat naturaly, and post-

> meopausal women put weight on more readily " . His answer was " Yup.

> Tough. That just means you have to try harder. " He gives no

quarter!

>

> I think that, most likely, he did not state any acceptions to his

> ideas so that we would not all latch on to them. " See? I probably

> have a faulthy thyroid! " It is a horrible situation for those

> fighting it, and I hope never to be among them, but it really is a

> small percentage of the people that are over weight, don't you

think?

>

> Alys

[Guest guest]

Yes it is a small percentage ... I brought it up because of a dear friend who

does have a serious thyroid problem. They are trying once again to change her

meds ...\

But for most (others) ... it is a matter of we just have to try harder!

Rita

Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War

that is true, people with thyroid problems, and a few other health

issues, do have more concrete reasons to have problems maintaining.

One women got up and said " women have more fat naturaly, and post-

meopausal women put weight on more readily " . His answer was " Yup.

Tough. That just means you have to try harder. " He gives no quarter!

I think that, most likely, he did not state any acceptions to his

ideas so that we would not all latch on to them. " See? I probably

have a faulthy thyroid! " It is a horrible situation for those

fighting it, and I hope never to be among them, but it really is a

small percentage of the people that are over weight, don't you think?

Alys

[Guest guest]

No Shonda - you are not one of them. It must be truly devastating to be trying

to lose weight and because of a serious thyroid or other disorder not being able

to. But most of us here do not have that problem. Deep down we know what our

problems are and BFL is going to help us. Or rather with BFL's help we are

going to help ourselves.

Rita

Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War

My mom in law has about a non exsistant thyriod. It was damaged

during a neck surgery when she was 17. She takes so many meds for it

I cant even remember them all. And to top that off, she also has a

type of arthritist she has to take meds for that totally whacks her

hormones out of whack.

That being said, since having been part of her family, I can honestly

say she tries her darnest to lose weight. And she needs to. she is

barely 4 foot 10 and weighs a lot ( I am guessing 250+). The most she

has lost since knowing her ( going on 9 years) is anbout 20 pounds.

But, for every so many pounds she losses they have to revamp her meds

and she then gains weight back.

I hate to say it but I do think some people are just more prone to

being over weight.

LOL, I am starting to think I am one of them

Shonda

> that is true, people with thyroid problems, and a few other health

> issues, do have more concrete reasons to have problems

maintaining.

> One women got up and said " women have more fat naturaly, and post-

> meopausal women put weight on more readily " . His answer was " Yup.

> Tough. That just means you have to try harder. " He gives no

quarter!

>

> I think that, most likely, he did not state any acceptions to his

> ideas so that we would not all latch on to them. " See? I probably

> have a faulthy thyroid! " It is a horrible situation for those

> fighting it, and I hope never to be among them, but it really is a

> small percentage of the people that are over weight, don't you

think?

>

> Alys

[Guest guest]

Wow Katrina,

You have really spent quality time figuring out where you've been and where

you're going. I wish everyone could do this (myself included). I believe that

so much of our growth in BFL is on the mental side. You have shared so much of

yourself here and I look forward to reading your future posts along the way.

Park

Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War

Hi Dani,

I've never seen Oprah, but she sounds WONDERFUL, and Dr. Phil sounds

great.

I'd just like to share some of the " payoffs " and other neurotic reasons for my

overweight/overeating (since I have put words to this and worked on this,

some weight has fallen off, and I am alot more willing to commit to goals

etc.)

Of course, this is just me, so it will only be an example of what you might

discover (the demons can be very tough to face, but I promise you, it is even

harder to live with them, so it's worth it ))

FAT as protection

- when I was sixteen I got raped. In the following months I gained alot of

weight. If I wasn't attractive, then I wouldn't get negative attention. Maybe

I

could even feel invisible.

- when I was a kid my dad was kind of violent. He would yell, and curse, and

smash furniture. He didn't ever hit us. But I was still afraid. I decided to

eat

as much as him so that I would become big and strong.

FAT as an excuse

- Since all my failures were due to my being fat, then I didn't have to look

at

the actual failures or more likely, the NON action... not doing things, not

acting, not making choices, not standing up for myself. " It won't change

anything, anyway... I'm fat and ugly and nobody loves me "

- Being fat allowed me to feel sorry for myself. What in all earth did feeling

sorry for myself give me? Well, the right to be sad, the right to feel like my

life

should have been better. It goes on and on.

EATING

- I discovered, one day, after a lot of meditating, that I want to eat because

I'm afraid that I'll feel deprived. I talked to my mom, and she told me about

the first months of my life. They were pretty chaotic, and she wasn't able to

give me the attention a baby usually needs. She may well have " missed

meals " , and I, as a baby, started overeating when I was given the chance...

to store up for future hunger.

- I also eat for comfort. When I feel abandoned or lonely or defeated... FOOD

seems to be the answer.

- I eat to celebrate.

There is more. It's layer upon layer upon layer...

The key question seems to be: What is the emotional payoff? What happens

when I do this? What does that allow me to do or feel? why would I want to

feel that?

Are there feelings that I wasn't allowed to express (sadness, anger)?

There is also a very large part of self-esteem and self-confidence (I pretty

much define self-esteem as the positive emotions of BEING who I am, while I

put self-confidence down as DOING. Once again - that's just me, and I only do

it because I feel a need to define things).

I discovered that I depend on OTHER PEOPLE's opinion of me to define me,

their approval to validate my self worth. What they thought about what I did,

said, felt, thought... MATTERED.

Another discovery was that for many girls our self esteem has to do with how

we perceive our appearance. If we feel pretty, we are more confident and

feel better about ourselves.

Guys seem to have it easier. They depend more on their capabilities for self

esteem. Good at soccor? Good at making people laugh? Good at math?

There is an excellent book about this called " schoolgirl "

Anyway... all the work to figure out emotional payoff REALLY HAS HELPED. It

really is worth it.

Over the last few months I have started doing what I love. Making choices for

myself, not taking responsibility for other people's feelings or choices. I no

longer depend on what other people think about me to decide whether I'm

worthy or not.

In short, I've probably quit doing what I don't want to do, and started doing

what I like doing (learning mandarin chinese and hawaiian.. going for a steam

bath, quitting my job that was killing me slowly, cooking up a storm with

veggies and spices).

It's hard to explain like this... but I did want to share, in case any of what

I

mention can be of help to you.

Love,

Katrina

[Guest guest]

Well, I was just joking about that part ;0)

But she does have a lot of problems. Thyriod, arthritits and heb C.

> > that is true, people with thyroid problems, and a few other

health

> > issues, do have more concrete reasons to have problems

> maintaining.

> > One women got up and said " women have more fat naturaly, and

post-

> > meopausal women put weight on more readily " . His answer

was " Yup.

> > Tough. That just means you have to try harder. " He gives no

> quarter!

> >

> > I think that, most likely, he did not state any acceptions to

his

> > ideas so that we would not all latch on to them. " See? I

probably

> > have a faulthy thyroid! " It is a horrible situation for those

> > fighting it, and I hope never to be among them, but it really

is a

> > small percentage of the people that are over weight, don't you

> think?

> >

> > Alys

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rita, how IS your back these days? Have you been able to start working out

again? Good for you for keeping strict on the nutrition side!

Park

Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat

War

In a message dated 6/12/2002 2:06:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,

skwigg@... writes:

> love Dr. Phil. That was a great show

YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HATE ME FOR HITTING THE SEND BUTTON TOO SOON ALL THE

TIME...anyway, BFL has reeducated me as to food consumption. I keep telling

my younger sister and my nieces all about it but they haven't seemed

interested. They still buy into the fantasy that some pill somewhere will

make them thin. a

[Guest guest]

Park, I'm going to physical therapy. The therapist said I was absolutely NOT

to lift heavy weights for a while. But I continue to do my cardio plus have

been doing some free weights - 8lbs for biceps and triceps. I work out for

about 30 minutes but not on a regular schedule - like Monday, Tuesday, Thursday,

Fri, and once on the weekend. Not always those days. Depends on my therapy

appointment. To be honest, I don't feel any better but on the other hand I

don't feel any worse! lol

I think I'm going to have to cut back and kind of start all over once I am

finished with therapy. What I am learning are the stretches that help a lot ...

and how to sleep better (on my back) ... AND ... a friend of mine JUST called

and suggested magnets. Do you know anything about those? Or does anyone here?

So I am eating clean ... finally went down a size and fit into my old size 12

brand new Gap jeans from 2 years ago! lol So I am feeling good about that.

I just can't wait to start a full challenge again! lol

Thanx for asking hon.

Rita

Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat

War

In a message dated 6/12/2002 2:06:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,

skwigg@... writes:

> love Dr. Phil. That was a great show

YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HATE ME FOR HITTING THE SEND BUTTON TOO SOON ALL THE

TIME...anyway, BFL has reeducated me as to food consumption. I keep

telling

my younger sister and my nieces all about it but they haven't seemed

interested. They still buy into the fantasy that some pill somewhere will

make them thin. a

[Guest guest]

alysd38 wrote:

> That is EXACTLY what Dr. Phil was saying. He let the women give all

> their " reasons " , and them told them it was all BS. They were fat

> because they chose to be.

I don't know about Doc Phil.. but yes! Exactly

> Now, that seems kind of harsh, but look further. We are all where we

> are, weight wise, because we look at a plate of cookies next to a

> plate of salad, and choose the cookies 9 out of 10 times. There are

> reasons behind those choices, but by acknowledging that they ARE

> choices you can start to take ownership of your life.

Hear hear! It is harsh.. but it's true. Or because we looked at watching TV

or exercising and chose TV.

> All the excuses; " I love food too much " , " I'm under a lot of

> stress " , " My metabolism is slow, or slower than it was 20 years ago "

> are all just that, excuses. The reason we continue to be over weight

> is because we choose this lifestyle. Why do we choose it? The

> reasons are different for each of us. As Katriana said, sometimes it

> is for a feeling of physical safety.

But it all boils down to " I choose to be fat. "

> I'm afraid to find out that it isn't the fat the

> people don't like, but something intrinsic in me.

This relates to one of my goals.. But, if I get my healthy body.. I'll know

that people don't like me because I'm flawed inside instead of always having

to wonder if I'm being judged because I'm flawed outside. I'd rather know

for sure.. you know?

> Anyway, Dr Phil was agreeing with what most of us on this list have

> said before. I eat for a dozen reasons, none of them being from

> hunger.

That's funny One of the things that I've loved about BFL is that I

actually feel hungry. Isn't that a weird feeling to actually embrace and

enjoy? It's great! I love the hunger I feel when it's time to eat! It's

something that I never felt before!! It tells me that I'm changing and I

love it Funny

Serenity

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http://users.starpower.net/kuranes/BFL/NityBFL.html

[Guest guest]

ribar wrote:

> a - I'm kinda easing into it now. NOT doing it the total BFL way yet ...

Today I did HIIT on the treadmill for 5 minutes (increased from 4) ... then I

did the bike for 6 minutes. Didn't hit my 10 there but kept up a good pace.

Then I did some biceps and triceps with free weights (only using 8 lbs) and only

did 3 reps of 12 each. After that I did all the stretches given me by the

Physical Therapist who included one leg exercie and says she will be going more

each time I go. I feel so great when I workout ... never thought I would miss

it this much ... and at first it bothered me that I'm not doing a 12-week

segment but I seem to be doing fine without it. I will start one once I can do

more of the BFL workouts tho - just so I have " start-finish " dates to mark my

goals.

> Thanx for asking.

> Rita

Just think of it this way, Rita. Your start date is " here and now " and your

finish date is death. And every great workout you have.. and great eating

day you have will lengthen the time between those two dates! That's my

perspective these days at least ~~

Serenity

--

http://users.starpower.net/kuranes/BFL/NityBFL.html

[Guest guest]

I like that hungry feeling too Nity. I feel like my metabolism is

running about 500 MPH. I've lost 5lbs in the past two weeks and have

skipped a bunch of workouts. (naughty, I know) I'm having a hard

time finding TIME. Like everyone else!! I've got this eating thing

down pat, I think. Now, time to work on water and workouts!!!

Astra

>

> > That is EXACTLY what Dr. Phil was saying. He let the women give

all

> > their " reasons " , and them told them it was all BS. They were fat

> > because they chose to be.

>

> I don't know about Doc Phil.. but yes! Exactly

>

> > Now, that seems kind of harsh, but look further. We are all

where we

> > are, weight wise, because we look at a plate of cookies next to a

> > plate of salad, and choose the cookies 9 out of 10 times. There

are

> > reasons behind those choices, but by acknowledging that they ARE

> > choices you can start to take ownership of your life.

>

> Hear hear! It is harsh.. but it's true. Or because we looked at

watching TV

> or exercising and chose TV.

>

> > All the excuses; " I love food too much " , " I'm under a lot of

> > stress " , " My metabolism is slow, or slower than it was 20 years

ago "

> > are all just that, excuses. The reason we continue to be over

weight

> > is because we choose this lifestyle. Why do we choose it? The

> > reasons are different for each of us. As Katriana said,

sometimes it

> > is for a feeling of physical safety.

>

> But it all boils down to " I choose to be fat. "

>

> > I'm afraid to find out that it isn't the fat the

> > people don't like, but something intrinsic in me.

>

> This relates to one of my goals.. But, if I get my healthy body..

I'll know

> that people don't like me because I'm flawed inside instead of

always having

> to wonder if I'm being judged because I'm flawed outside. I'd

rather know

> for sure.. you know?

>

> > Anyway, Dr Phil was agreeing with what most of us on this list

have

> > said before. I eat for a dozen reasons, none of them being from

> > hunger.

>

> That's funny One of the things that I've loved about BFL is

that I

> actually feel hungry. Isn't that a weird feeling to actually

embrace and

> enjoy? It's great! I love the hunger I feel when it's time to

eat! It's

> something that I never felt before!! It tells me that I'm changing

and I

> love it Funny

> Serenity

>

>

> --

> http://users.starpower.net/kuranes/BFL/NityBFL.html

[Guest guest]

astramari02 wrote:

> I like that hungry feeling too Nity. I feel like my metabolism is

> running about 500 MPH. I've lost 5lbs in the past two weeks and have

> skipped a bunch of workouts. (naughty, I know) I'm having a hard

> time finding TIME. Like everyone else!! I've got this eating thing

> down pat, I think. Now, time to work on water and workouts!!!

>

> Astra

Have I ever told you that your email address makes me think of Pastrami?

*sigh* And I don't even -like- Pastrami.. so why am I thinking about it?!

Argh!

I like whoever said that they have to workout early in the morning before

their brain realizes. That's my method most days. At least Cardio days.

I'm normally finished cardio by 6am. But weights I tend to put off and

then it's too easy to skip. Instead I should just do it. Right when I get

back from the Metro!

I've started keeping a 20 oz cup with me all the time. Yum

Serenity

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http://users.starpower.net/kuranes/BFL/NityBFL.html

[Guest guest]

There is a woman on the cover of a recent Muscle and Fitness Hers (green cover)

who is in phenomenal shape despite a thyroid condition. So it can definitely be

done.

Pat

In a message dated Wed, 12 Jun 2002 5:03:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

> Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War

[Guest guest]

alysd38 wrote:

> that is true, people with thyroid problems, and a few other health

> issues, do have more concrete reasons to have problems maintaining.

> One women got up and said " women have more fat naturaly, and post-

> meopausal women put weight on more readily " . His answer was " Yup.

> Tough. That just means you have to try harder. " He gives no quarter!

>

> I think that, most likely, he did not state any acceptions to his

> ideas so that we would not all latch on to them. " See? I probably

> have a faulthy thyroid! " It is a horrible situation for those

> fighting it, and I hope never to be among them, but it really is a

> small percentage of the people that are over weight, don't you think?

>

> Alys

I agree 100%. It just means you've got to work harder. Which means you can

be more proud of yourself when you reach and maintain your goals

Serenity

--

http://users.starpower.net/kuranes/BFL/NityBFL.html

[Guest guest]

Great thought Serenity!

Rita

Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War

ribar wrote:

> a - I'm kinda easing into it now. NOT doing it the total BFL way yet

.... Today I did HIIT on the treadmill for 5 minutes (increased from 4) ... then

I did the bike for 6 minutes. Didn't hit my 10 there but kept up a good pace.

Then I did some biceps and triceps with free weights (only using 8 lbs) and only

did 3 reps of 12 each. After that I did all the stretches given me by the

Physical Therapist who included one leg exercie and says she will be going more

each time I go. I feel so great when I workout ... never thought I would miss

it this much ... and at first it bothered me that I'm not doing a 12-week

segment but I seem to be doing fine without it. I will start one once I can do

more of the BFL workouts tho - just so I have " start-finish " dates to mark my

goals.

> Thanx for asking.

> Rita

Just think of it this way, Rita. Your start date is " here and now " and your

finish date is death. And every great workout you have.. and great eating

day you have will lengthen the time between those two dates! That's my

perspective these days at least ~~

Serenity

--

http://users.starpower.net/kuranes/BFL/NityBFL.html

[Guest guest]

> That's funny One of the things that I've loved about BFL is

>that I actually feel hungry. Isn't that a weird feeling to actually

>embrace and enjoy? It's great! I love the hunger I feel when it's

>time to eat! It's something that I never felt before!! It tells me

>that I'm changing and I love it Funny

Serenity,

I know what you mean. It's like BFL gave me permission to eat. I'd

always feel guilty for eating before. Like since I was fat I was

a " bad person " for eating. There was a whole lot of baggage I had

about eating that I never realized was there until I did this. It has

been a real growing experience don't you think?

Jan

[Guest guest]

jeahere wrote:

> > That's funny One of the things that I've loved about BFL is

> >that I actually feel hungry. Isn't that a weird feeling to actually

> >embrace and enjoy? It's great! I love the hunger I feel when it's

> >time to eat! It's something that I never felt before!! It tells me

> >that I'm changing and I love it Funny

>

> Serenity,

> I know what you mean. It's like BFL gave me permission to eat. I'd

> always feel guilty for eating before. Like since I was fat I was

> a " bad person " for eating. There was a whole lot of baggage I had

> about eating that I never realized was there until I did this. It has

> been a real growing experience don't you think?

>

> Jan

Oh definitely

Serenity

[Guest guest]

Rita, I have heard of magnets for arthritis I think, and I have seen slippers

with magnets inserted in the soles which is supposed to help with pain, but have

never had the need to use any (thank goodness). Way to go on the size 12

jeans!!! I have 2 pair of brand new size 12s that are SKIN TIGHT hanging in my

closet - hope to be in them comfortably in 4 more weeks!

Park

Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the

Fat War

In a message dated 6/12/2002 2:06:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,

skwigg@... writes:

> love Dr. Phil. That was a great show

YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HATE ME FOR HITTING THE SEND BUTTON TOO SOON ALL

THE

TIME...anyway, BFL has reeducated me as to food consumption. I keep

telling

my younger sister and my nieces all about it but they haven't seemed

interested. They still buy into the fantasy that some pill somewhere

will

make them thin. a

[Guest guest]

Park - My 12's are pretty tight too - but what the hell! lol

WAY to go on yours almost fitting! We'll be a fashion statement together.

Rita

Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the

Fat War

In a message dated 6/12/2002 2:06:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,

skwigg@... writes:

> love Dr. Phil. That was a great show

YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HATE ME FOR HITTING THE SEND BUTTON TOO SOON ALL

THE

TIME...anyway, BFL has reeducated me as to food consumption. I keep

telling

my younger sister and my nieces all about it but they haven't seemed

interested. They still buy into the fantasy that some pill somewhere

will

make them thin. a

[Guest guest]

Jan,

You wrote:

<<It's like BFL gave me permission to eat. I'd

always feel guilty for eating before. Like since I was fat I was

a " bad person " for eating. >>

This is *exactly* the way I feel too! I would feel like such a pig before, no

matter what I ate. So self concious and guilty. I used to say " I'm sure I

could live on my fat reserves without eating for a month " and things like that.

It is so freeing to be able to eat *a lot* and well and feel great and lose this

fat!

Park

Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War

> That's funny One of the things that I've loved about BFL is

>that I actually feel hungry. Isn't that a weird feeling to actually

>embrace and enjoy? It's great! I love the hunger I feel when it's

>time to eat! It's something that I never felt before!! It tells me

>that I'm changing and I love it Funny

Serenity,

I know what you mean. It's like BFL gave me permission to eat. I'd

always feel guilty for eating before. Like since I was fat I was

a " bad person " for eating. There was a whole lot of baggage I had

about eating that I never realized was there until I did this. It has

been a real growing experience don't you think?

Jan

[Guest guest]

Park,

It is great isn't it! As women we get all these weird things going on

with body image and eating. Right after I started BFL I saw an Oprah

show with a little girl on there who was eating paper because she was

afraid to eat food because she was afraid to be " fat " . It broke my

heart. Makes me want to pass out the BFL book to all little girls

with eating problems.

Jan