Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 I love Dr. Phil. That was a great show. I don't manage to watch Oprah very often either, but I love to catch it when Dr. Phil is on. The guy is a riot. He seems to say exactly what you DON'T want to hear! It's certainly tough to come up with any excuses after listening to him for an hour. There are video clips for that show on her website: http://oprah.com/tows/pastshows/tows_past_20010130.jhtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 In a message dated 6/12/2002 2:06:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, skwigg@... writes: > love Dr. Phil. That was a great show I watched part of it and found myself agreeing with everything he said. We have definite food issues in my family, stemming from a loveless emotionally-abusive childhood. My older sister was anoxeric for years and she " taught " her two daughters to throw up after large meals like Thanksgiving, etc. (True story). I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 In a message dated 6/12/2002 2:06:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, skwigg@... writes: > love Dr. Phil. That was a great show Continued....I was anorexic also for many years...ate only once a day and exercised three hours or more 7 days a week. My younger sister is obese and her daughters are all obese. It is so sad...she has taken them for years to a " fat doctor " who gives them all diet pills. This has gone on for years and all are still fat. The youngest daughter has been and out of rehab's since she was 15 (4 years ago). She has been arrested for trying to fill a forged perscription for xanax. Of all the sisters, I am the only one who has been through therapy and who (I feel) has a damn good understanding of the food issues that we carry as baggage. I can truthfully say that BFL has reeduc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 In a message dated 6/12/2002 2:06:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, skwigg@... writes: > love Dr. Phil. That was a great show YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HATE ME FOR HITTING THE SEND BUTTON TOO SOON ALL THE TIME...anyway, BFL has reeducated me as to food consumption. I keep telling my younger sister and my nieces all about it but they haven't seemed interested. They still buy into the fantasy that some pill somewhere will make them thin. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 Hi Dani, I've never seen Oprah, but she sounds WONDERFUL, and Dr. Phil sounds great. I'd just like to share some of the " payoffs " and other neurotic reasons for my overweight/overeating (since I have put words to this and worked on this, some weight has fallen off, and I am alot more willing to commit to goals etc.) Of course, this is just me, so it will only be an example of what you might discover (the demons can be very tough to face, but I promise you, it is even harder to live with them, so it's worth it )) FAT as protection - when I was sixteen I got raped. In the following months I gained alot of weight. If I wasn't attractive, then I wouldn't get negative attention. Maybe I could even feel invisible. - when I was a kid my dad was kind of violent. He would yell, and curse, and smash furniture. He didn't ever hit us. But I was still afraid. I decided to eat as much as him so that I would become big and strong. FAT as an excuse - Since all my failures were due to my being fat, then I didn't have to look at the actual failures or more likely, the NON action... not doing things, not acting, not making choices, not standing up for myself. " It won't change anything, anyway... I'm fat and ugly and nobody loves me " - Being fat allowed me to feel sorry for myself. What in all earth did feeling sorry for myself give me? Well, the right to be sad, the right to feel like my life should have been better. It goes on and on. EATING - I discovered, one day, after a lot of meditating, that I want to eat because I'm afraid that I'll feel deprived. I talked to my mom, and she told me about the first months of my life. They were pretty chaotic, and she wasn't able to give me the attention a baby usually needs. She may well have " missed meals " , and I, as a baby, started overeating when I was given the chance... to store up for future hunger. - I also eat for comfort. When I feel abandoned or lonely or defeated... FOOD seems to be the answer. - I eat to celebrate. There is more. It's layer upon layer upon layer... The key question seems to be: What is the emotional payoff? What happens when I do this? What does that allow me to do or feel? why would I want to feel that? Are there feelings that I wasn't allowed to express (sadness, anger)? There is also a very large part of self-esteem and self-confidence (I pretty much define self-esteem as the positive emotions of BEING who I am, while I put self-confidence down as DOING. Once again - that's just me, and I only do it because I feel a need to define things). I discovered that I depend on OTHER PEOPLE's opinion of me to define me, their approval to validate my self worth. What they thought about what I did, said, felt, thought... MATTERED. Another discovery was that for many girls our self esteem has to do with how we perceive our appearance. If we feel pretty, we are more confident and feel better about ourselves. Guys seem to have it easier. They depend more on their capabilities for self esteem. Good at soccor? Good at making people laugh? Good at math? There is an excellent book about this called " schoolgirl " Anyway... all the work to figure out emotional payoff REALLY HAS HELPED. It really is worth it. Over the last few months I have started doing what I love. Making choices for myself, not taking responsibility for other people's feelings or choices. I no longer depend on what other people think about me to decide whether I'm worthy or not. In short, I've probably quit doing what I don't want to do, and started doing what I like doing (learning mandarin chinese and hawaiian.. going for a steam bath, quitting my job that was killing me slowly, cooking up a storm with veggies and spices). It's hard to explain like this... but I did want to share, in case any of what I mention can be of help to you. Love, Katrina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 I don't get the chance to watch Opra or Dr. Phil but recently People magazine had a cover story on " how the stars stay trim " or something like that. I read with interest hoping that at least one of them used BFL but none of them did. I must say that surprised me a lot because BFL is the only thing I have found to transform one's body to the extent that it claims. But then again, many of those stars are thin but none too buff so there's my answer. What I want to know is what plan Janet uses. She's more buff than any of them so what's her secret? Stasia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 Dani, I LOVE Dr Phil, and am a big Oprah fan too (even though I used her name in vain in a previous post). I like Phil because I, too, believe we cannot go forward in our lives if we allow ourselves to always be victims. When you are a victim you have no controle. The one thing that bothered me is that he was asking us to identify the emotional reasons we are over weight, but not telling us what to do with them once we see them. I have known for a long time the reasons behind my problem. I just am not sure how to get around them permanently. Alys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 Katarina, Thank you for your post. It shows that you are a women in touch with herself. An inspiration to us all. Alys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 Not having a TV, the one recent time that I've seen Oprah was while I was at a Doctor appointment. For 20 minutes I listened (since I was unable to focus on my book) to very obese women talk about how they are unable to control the food they eat. I listened to the " I'm fat and it's not my fault. I have no control of what goes into my mouth. " And, I'm sorry since I know this will offend half the posting population if not more, but that's a load of BS. If you truly cannot control your actions (which include eating), you need to seek professional (not Oprah) help. People plead insanity in murder cases since they are unable to control their actions. It just really pisses me off. I'm fat because I made the choice to eat poorly and not exercise. I think the only way people can make a successful lifestyle change is if they actually own up and take responsibility for their actions. I am so sick of the " oh woe am I.. have pity on me since I can't control myself " culture that is so prevalent these days. Grrrr. Sorry for the rant Serenity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 I just have to make a comment on the Janet thing. First of all I think she is absolutely gorgeous and I think she is a great performer, I have admired her for many years (so has my husband, he thinks she is to die for ;-) ANYWAYS....from what I have seen of her she has always seemed to struggle with her weight, she would go up and down being thin and then getting a little chubby (in hollywoods standards that is). Well recently she has just been in FANTASTIC shape, she has abs any woman would kill for. I wanted to know how she did it and exactly how much work she had to put into getting those rock hard abs. Well to my dissapointment I have heard something that made me rather sad, those abs are not a product of her own hard work and dedication, she had surgery to get them to look that way. I never knew there was such a thing, but I guess so, I should have known they have surgery reconstructive surgery for EVERYTHING now a days. I guess it just dissapointed me because I thought it was something she did on her own, I guess all of hollywood is the same, they have the money for it why sweat and work hard when you can pay to look great. Just my two sense worth, not that anyone asked. --- s_bachrach <s_bachrach@...> wrote: > I don't get the chance to watch Opra or Dr. Phil but > recently People > magazine had a cover story on " how the stars stay > trim " or something > like that. I read with interest hoping that at least > one of them used > BFL but none of them did. I must say that surprised > me a lot because > BFL is the only thing I have found to transform > one's body to the > extent that it claims. But then again, many of those > stars are thin > but none too buff so there's my answer. What I want > to know is what > plan Janet uses. She's more buff than any of > them so what's > her secret? > > Stasia > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 Thank you for your support!!!!!!!!! I'm working hard at fixing myself up, and it is sooooo rewarding. Now I want everyone else to do it, too *LOL* All I can do is share my thoughts and my successes. Hugs, Katrina > Katarina, > > Thank you for your post. It shows that you are a women in touch with > herself. An inspiration to us all. > > Alys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 I haven't heard Dr. Phil utter a word that wasn't totally 100% dead- on-balls accurate. He da man. I think this is true. When I eat, it's out of boredom usually, or so I think. It's also triggered by stresses, I have alot of emotional issues from growing up and all that jazz...don't we all? Someone asked WHAT to do with your problems once you've identified them. I think each problem is so unique that you truly need to speak with a counselor or someone to determine that. I got over alot of things with my father by writing him a letter. Did it change how he acted? No. But I was heard and found out a lot about him and myself. It changed our relationship and I was able to let go of alot of anger and hurt feelings that were roadblocks to any success I might have. So, that's just one way. Has it helped my eating? Not really. I don't think I've SOLVED that problem, but I've definitely changed my actions. I think educating yourself as much as possible about food is key here. That way, you make an EDUCATED DECISION about every morsel you put in your mouth. You can't make the excuse of ignorance...removes that for you. That's all I have to say. Great topic. Astra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 > I think the only way people can make a successful > lifestyle change is if they actually own up and take responsibility for their > actions. I am so sick of the " oh woe am I.. have pity on me since I can't > control myself " culture that is so prevalent these days. > Grrrr. Serenity, THAT IS SOOOO TRUE! once you really take responsibility for your own condition and situation YOU are in charge! Imagine the empowerment ) And I've never seen Oprah or Doc Phil, but it seemed to me that Phil was saying exactly what you said: If you don't own up to your own part in your situation, you'll never budge an inch! Katrina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 In a message dated 6/12/2002 12:33:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, ribar@... writes: > JUST when I was going to start C2. Now ordinarily this would be my perfect > excuse to also go back to my old eating habits - but I haven't!!! BFL > RULES!!! > Excellent, Rita! What a major accomplishment! When do you think you'll be able to resume working out? a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 k4ina wrote: > > I think the only way people can make a successful > > lifestyle change is if they actually own up and take responsibility for their > > actions. I am so sick of the " oh woe am I.. have pity on me since I can't > > control myself " culture that is so prevalent these days. > > Grrrr. > > Serenity, THAT IS SOOOO TRUE! > > once you really take responsibility for your own condition and situation YOU > are in charge! > > Imagine the empowerment ) > > And I've never seen Oprah or Doc Phil, but it seemed to me that Phil was > saying exactly what you said: If you don't own up to your own part in your > situation, you'll never budge an inch! > > Katrina *smile* Maybe he came on later on in that episode.. but I had already gone to see the doc by that point so I'll never know. Serenity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 I think for the most part he has good points to make ... but I'll bet the people out there with severe thyroid (or other health issues which affect weight) problems took issue with his remarks! I enjoy Dr. Phil and was sorry I missed yesterday's show. I don't watch Oprah every day but I do tune in on Tuesdays to see what his topic will be. Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War I don't know if any of you watch Oprah. I don't watch her show regularly, but I'm a big fan. I happened to be watching today, and she had Dr. Phil McGraw, a psychologist, on. The topic was weight issues, specifically being overweight. Dr. Phil is really into the " no one is a victim " mantra. The gist of what he said is that being overweight carries with it a " payoff, " and that, subconsciously, overweight people are choosing to stay heavy because they get something from it. According to him, we overeat for a reason; something triggers our bingeing, and the cycle is perpetuated by the guilt we feel when we eat, so we turn to food once again for comfort. He called this the " downward spiral of food addiction. " He thinks too many people utilize excuses such as " I have a slow metabolism " or " Everyone in my family is overweight " in order to justify their being overweight. He also stated that if you don't understand the reason for your overeating you will never permanently lose weight. In other words, you can start by changing the behavior, but you have to eventually change the underlying causes of the behavior. You have to deal with the emotional issues of your overeating by asking yourself, " What am I getting by keeping this weight on? If I'm so unhappy about being fat, why don't I do something about it? Why do I continue making excuses for myself? " Dr. Phil claims that no matter how much you deny it, you're somehow hiding behind your weight; there must be a payoff, or you wouldn't engage in the behavior. Finally, he stressed that there is no magic diet, potion or pill that will help you lose weight, and that it is much more significant to focus on your weight two years from now than two weeks from now. In other words, even if you lose weight quickly, you're bound to gain it back if you don't understand WHY you put on the pounds in the first place. You must have a set of strategies in place that will prevent your gaining the weight back. It was a fascinating show and discussion. I'd love to hear all your input. Dani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 What a shame a ... I was a diet pill addict for almost 30 years - not that it helped at ALL ... but how I didn't make myself really sick between diet pills and water pills I have no idea - just lucky I guess. Oddly enough what got me off the diet pills was the Atkins Diet! I had just decided I would give it a try and weaned myself off the diet pills and have never taken another one - that was 3 years ago - I did lose a lot of weight but of course as soon as I hit my " goal " I yoyo'd right back up. I was actually going to start again early in January this year but I went to the doctor and she told me because of some gout-like symptons I had that I had to start lessening my fat intake. AND stop the GD water pills! By then a friend had started talking to me (on line) about BFL ... she kept telling me what a great book it was ... motivational ... and that she had started and loved it ... I finally got the book and will always be thankful to her for bringing this into my life. One way I KNOW it is working that I hurt my back just at the end of my Challenge 1. I was told by a doctor and now a physical therapist I had to STOP all my workouts for a while. JUST when I was going to start C2. Now ordinarily this would be my perfect excuse to also go back to my old eating habits - but I haven't!!! BFL RULES!!! Rita Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War In a message dated 6/12/2002 2:06:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, skwigg@... writes: > love Dr. Phil. That was a great show YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HATE ME FOR HITTING THE SEND BUTTON TOO SOON ALL THE TIME...anyway, BFL has reeducated me as to food consumption. I keep telling my younger sister and my nieces all about it but they haven't seemed interested. They still buy into the fantasy that some pill somewhere will make them thin. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 She probably rehearses several hours a day! Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War I don't get the chance to watch Opra or Dr. Phil but recently People magazine had a cover story on " how the stars stay trim " or something like that. I read with interest hoping that at least one of them used BFL but none of them did. I must say that surprised me a lot because BFL is the only thing I have found to transform one's body to the extent that it claims. But then again, many of those stars are thin but none too buff so there's my answer. What I want to know is what plan Janet uses. She's more buff than any of them so what's her secret? Stasia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 Hi Dani, I have heard Dr. Phil discourse on this subject a number of times. It's funny - at 225 lbs I felt he was just a wee bit unfeeling and hard on " large " people. Now, at 164 lbs, I totally agree with everything he says. I have learned that nearly everything to do with ME is in MY power to control. I have learned that excuses of bad genes, poor metabolism, and stress are simply excuses. I have learned that I can change my body in the midst of all of these odds. Dr. Phil seems to be one of those people that you either love or hate. I personnally like his no nonsense / common sense approach and agree with most of his work. Park Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War I don't know if any of you watch Oprah. I don't watch her show regularly, but I'm a big fan. I happened to be watching today, and she had Dr. Phil McGraw, a psychologist, on. The topic was weight issues, specifically being overweight. Dr. Phil is really into the " no one is a victim " mantra. The gist of what he said is that being overweight carries with it a " payoff, " and that, subconsciously, overweight people are choosing to stay heavy because they get something from it. According to him, we overeat for a reason; something triggers our bingeing, and the cycle is perpetuated by the guilt we feel when we eat, so we turn to food once again for comfort. He called this the " downward spiral of food addiction. " He thinks too many people utilize excuses such as " I have a slow metabolism " or " Everyone in my family is overweight " in order to justify their being overweight. He also stated that if you don't understand the reason for your overeating you will never permanently lose weight. In other words, you can start by changing the behavior, but you have to eventually change the underlying causes of the behavior. You have to deal with the emotional issues of your overeating by asking yourself, " What am I getting by keeping this weight on? If I'm so unhappy about being fat, why don't I do something about it? Why do I continue making excuses for myself? " Dr. Phil claims that no matter how much you deny it, you're somehow hiding behind your weight; there must be a payoff, or you wouldn't engage in the behavior. Finally, he stressed that there is no magic diet, potion or pill that will help you lose weight, and that it is much more significant to focus on your weight two years from now than two weeks from now. In other words, even if you lose weight quickly, you're bound to gain it back if you don't understand WHY you put on the pounds in the first place. You must have a set of strategies in place that will prevent your gaining the weight back. It was a fascinating show and discussion. I'd love to hear all your input. Dani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 Oh - I am soooo disappointed! I thought she worked for those abs too! :-( Rita Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War I just have to make a comment on the Janet thing. First of all I think she is absolutely gorgeous and I think she is a great performer, I have admired her for many years (so has my husband, he thinks she is to die for ;-) ANYWAYS....from what I have seen of her she has always seemed to struggle with her weight, she would go up and down being thin and then getting a little chubby (in hollywoods standards that is). Well recently she has just been in FANTASTIC shape, she has abs any woman would kill for. I wanted to know how she did it and exactly how much work she had to put into getting those rock hard abs. Well to my dissapointment I have heard something that made me rather sad, those abs are not a product of her own hard work and dedication, she had surgery to get them to look that way. I never knew there was such a thing, but I guess so, I should have known they have surgery reconstructive surgery for EVERYTHING now a days. I guess it just dissapointed me because I thought it was something she did on her own, I guess all of hollywood is the same, they have the money for it why sweat and work hard when you can pay to look great. Just my two sense worth, not that anyone asked. --- s_bachrach <s_bachrach@...> wrote: > I don't get the chance to watch Opra or Dr. Phil but > recently People > magazine had a cover story on " how the stars stay > trim " or something > like that. I read with interest hoping that at least > one of them used > BFL but none of them did. I must say that surprised > me a lot because > BFL is the only thing I have found to transform > one's body to the > extent that it claims. But then again, many of those > stars are thin > but none too buff so there's my answer. What I want > to know is what > plan Janet uses. She's more buff than any of > them so what's > her secret? > > Stasia > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 I agree! He is so dead on with every issue! I heard he is going to have his own show - is this true??? Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War I haven't heard Dr. Phil utter a word that wasn't totally 100% dead- on-balls accurate. He da man. I think this is true. When I eat, it's out of boredom usually, or so I think. It's also triggered by stresses, I have alot of emotional issues from growing up and all that jazz...don't we all? Someone asked WHAT to do with your problems once you've identified them. I think each problem is so unique that you truly need to speak with a counselor or someone to determine that. I got over alot of things with my father by writing him a letter. Did it change how he acted? No. But I was heard and found out a lot about him and myself. It changed our relationship and I was able to let go of alot of anger and hurt feelings that were roadblocks to any success I might have. So, that's just one way. Has it helped my eating? Not really. I don't think I've SOLVED that problem, but I've definitely changed my actions. I think educating yourself as much as possible about food is key here. That way, you make an EDUCATED DECISION about every morsel you put in your mouth. You can't make the excuse of ignorance...removes that for you. That's all I have to say. Great topic. Astra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 Wow, that's very disappointing. I also heard that she had a rib removed because she was a bit barrell chested. Don't know if that's true or not. It's a shame, because being so wealthy she has personal trainers and TIME at her disposal. She should be able to work out!! Not that I'm one to judge. Hey, maybe if I had the mula, I'd do the same thang. Astra > > I don't get the chance to watch Opra or Dr. Phil but > > recently People > > magazine had a cover story on " how the stars stay > > trim " or something > > like that. I read with interest hoping that at least > > one of them used > > BFL but none of them did. I must say that surprised > > me a lot because > > BFL is the only thing I have found to transform > > one's body to the > > extent that it claims. But then again, many of those > > stars are thin > > but none too buff so there's my answer. What I want > > to know is what > > plan Janet uses. She's more buff than any of > > them so what's > > her secret? > > > > Stasia > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 Hi Ladies, I'm so glad I brought up Dr. Phil. I can see that he has many fans round here. I really like him, too. I think he says things that people don't want to hear. Many people, as Serenity pointed out, don't want to take responsibility for their behavior. It's also interesting what Park said, that she only started agreeing with him after she lost a lot of weight; when she was larger, it was too hard to face the truth. I appreciate Katrina's post. You have such great insight into your payoffs, Katrina. I've definitely played the " poor me " in the past. You've all been witness to it, but deep down inside I know I gained the weight back because I binged for four months straight. Dr. Phil got me thinking yesterday: Why did I do it if I hate being this size? What makes food so hard to resist? I had broken up with my fiance of three years two months before the bingeing began. I told myself that it didn't matter, that it was a long time coming, etc. Only now do I see that I ate for comfort. I ate because I was lonely, and food filled that void. Fat insulates you from the world. I was burned badly in my last relationship, and it's so easy to use weight as an excuse: Oh, I'll get into another relationship, I'll trust again, WHEN I lose weight. It allows you to not deal with the other issues in your life. Only now do I realize that that's my payoff. Facing the truth is hard, but it can set you free. Dani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 I guess it all goes back to the whole thing about if you have the money why waste the time and energy, it would be nice though for us middle class americans trying to get in shape to have a role model to follow after to get those kind of abs vs. someone who paid money to look good. That is what it is all about, their looks are there source of income so it all depends on that. For us common folks, diet and excercise are the way to good abs. ;-( --- ribar <ribar@...> wrote: > Oh - I am soooo disappointed! I thought she > worked for those abs too! :-( > Rita > Re: > Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War > > > I just have to make a comment on the Janet > thing. First of all I think she is absolutely > gorgeous and I think she is a great performer, I > have > admired her for many years (so has my husband, he > thinks she is to die for ;-) > ANYWAYS....from what I have seen of her she has > always > seemed to struggle with her weight, she would go > up > and down being thin and then getting a little > chubby > (in hollywoods standards that is). Well recently > she > has just been in FANTASTIC shape, she has abs any > woman would kill for. I wanted to know how she > did it > and exactly how much work she had to put into > getting > those rock hard abs. Well to my dissapointment I > have > heard something that made me rather sad, those abs > are > not a product of her own hard work and dedication, > she > had surgery to get them to look that way. I never > knew there was such a thing, but I guess so, I > should > have known they have surgery reconstructive > surgery > for EVERYTHING now a days. I guess it just > dissapointed me because I thought it was something > she > did on her own, I guess all of hollywood is the > same, > they have the money for it why sweat and work hard > when you can pay to look great. > Just my two sense worth, not that anyone asked. > > --- s_bachrach <s_bachrach@...> wrote: > > I don't get the chance to watch Opra or Dr. Phil > but > > recently People > > magazine had a cover story on " how the stars > stay > > trim " or something > > like that. I read with interest hoping that at > least > > one of them used > > BFL but none of them did. I must say that > surprised > > me a lot because > > BFL is the only thing I have found to transform > > one's body to the > > extent that it claims. But then again, many of > those > > stars are thin > > but none too buff so there's my answer. What I > want > > to know is what > > plan Janet uses. She's more buff than > any of > > them so what's > > her secret? > > > > Stasia > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2002 Report Share Posted June 12, 2002 I think maybe all this surgery runs in the family! lol Rita Re: Oprah/Dr. Phil: Fighting the Fat War Wow, that's very disappointing. I also heard that she had a rib removed because she was a bit barrell chested. Don't know if that's true or not. It's a shame, because being so wealthy she has personal trainers and TIME at her disposal. She should be able to work out!! Not that I'm one to judge. Hey, maybe if I had the mula, I'd do the same thang. Astra > > I don't get the chance to watch Opra or Dr. Phil but > > recently People > > magazine had a cover story on " how the stars stay > > trim " or something > > like that. I read with interest hoping that at least > > one of them used > > BFL but none of them did. I must say that surprised > > me a lot because > > BFL is the only thing I have found to transform > > one's body to the > > extent that it claims. But then again, many of those > > stars are thin > > but none too buff so there's my answer. What I want > > to know is what > > plan Janet uses. She's more buff than any of > > them so what's > > her secret? > > > > Stasia > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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