Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Hi Orb, Additionally the Omega 3 EPA and DHA are at risk inside the body. I take 3 fish oil capsules morning and night with 250 mg of Vit E. This ensures that the lipoproteins which carry the EPA and DHA have additional fatty acid based anti oxidant for their journey from the gut to the cell walls. I also eat a lot of good Australian salmon. Greg [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products > http://www.crop.cri.nz/home/news/releases/1159137244997.jsp > > Consumers buying foods with omega-3 may not be getting the good oil > they think they are says Rufus , a lipids scientist with Crop > & Food Research. > > He and colleague, Dr Carlene McLean, have studied commercially > available fish oil in New Zealand, that's been manufactured > overseas. They found it contains varying levels of primary and > secondary oxidation products. > > " These oxidised products result in variations in the quality of fish > oils and may explain the mixed results in international human > clinical trials investigating omega 3 health benefits " Dr McLean > said. > > Recent results from international cellular, animal and human trials > indicate that the oxidised products in fish oils may have potential > carcinogenic and pro-inflammatory actions. These products have the > potential to increase the risk of atherosclerosis and thrombosis and > reduce the potential benefits of omega-3 fatty acids. > > Dr says that unfortunately, fish oils containing omega-3 > fatty acids are unstable and more vulnerable to oxidation than > vegetable oils or other animal fats. When fish oils come into > contact with oxygen and are exposed to metals, light and heat they > degrade. Oxidation of the oil accelerates after extraction from the > fish and during subsequent storage. > > Dr McLean says New Zealand is at the forefront of research providing > solutions for long-term preservation of commercial oil products for > human use. Fish oil producers are working with scientists at Crop & > Food Research to ensure New Zealand-produced oil is of the highest > quality. > > " We are using the by-products from the filleting process, which > constitute up to 60% of the fish weight and contain up to 10% oil, > to produce a value-added, high-quality nutraceutical oil, " says Dr > McLean. " As well as looking at ways to improve handling of the raw > material after harvest, we are working with industry to modify their > by-product processing operations, to improve yields and the quality > of oil and protein extracts. " > > Dr says, " It is essential to ensure that fish oil in food > products has good levels of omega-3 fatty acids, and that measures > have been taken to minimise degradation, so consumers do get the > good oil they believe they are purchasing. " > > Footnote: > Recognition of the health benefits of omega-3 fatty acids has grown > since the Inuit Eskimos low incidence of heart disease was > highlighted in the 1970s. Their high fat diet is sourced from marine > animals and it has now been established that the omega-3 fatty acids > found in fish play a unique and important role in preventing heart > disease. > > Many other benefits have also been associated with consumption of > fish oils including enhanced immunity, improved bone, joint and eye > health and better brain function. Links have also been made to > mental health. > > Around the world, food companies have responded to consumer > awareness of these health benefits by creating products with omega-3 > fatty acids. These include: breads, spreads, yoghurts and drinks. > > Footnote 2: Drs and McLean work on lipids, proteins & their > oxidation. Recent research, at their base, has focused on the > analysis of volatile oxidation products in fish species. This has > been achieved using the only Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometer - > SPME dedicated to oils in New Zealand. > > > For more information contact: > Dr Rufus , or Dr Carlene McLean > Crop & Food Research > Tel 03 539 1849 > Email R@... > McLeanC@... > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 A hearty " welcome back " to Greg. IMHO one more reason not to rely on supplements. There's nothing like mother nature. on 11/17/2006 1:24 AM, Greg at greg.watson@... wrote: Hi Orb, Additionally the Omega 3 EPA and DHA are at risk inside the body. I take 3 fish oil capsules morning and night with 250 mg of Vit E. This ensures that the lipoproteins which carry the EPA and DHA have additional fatty acid based anti oxidant for their journey from the gut to the cell walls. I also eat a lot of good Australian salmon. Greg [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products > http://www.crop.cri.nz/home/news/releases/1159137244997.jsp > > Consumers buying foods with omega-3 may not be getting the good oil > they think they are says Rufus , a lipids scientist with Crop > & Food Research. > > He and colleague, Dr Carlene McLean, have studied commercially > available fish oil in New Zealand, that's been manufactured > overseas. They found it contains varying levels of primary and > secondary oxidation products. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 This is a real concern not only with fish oil, but will all supplements. There is a pharmaceutically available product now called Omacar which is around 90% pure EPA/DHA. Nothing on the supplement market comes close to this in concentration of EPA/DHA. However, the USP is now officially verifying supplements, and if you go to the following website you can see which brands have passed verification. Nature Made, Kirkland, and BJs brand fish Oils are all USP Verified. Also, From the website http://www.usp.org/USPVerified/dietarySupplements/ What the USP Verified Mark Means on a Supplement Label The distinctive USP Verified Mark represents that USP has rigorously tested and verified the supplement, to assure the following: What's on the label is in fact in the bottle—all the listed ingredients in the declared amount. The supplement does not contain harmful levels of contaminants. The supplement will break down and release ingredients in the body The supplement has been made under good manufacturing practices. USP is an independent, not-for-profit organization. No other organization in the U.S. that tests supplements is recognized in federal law as the nation's official standard-setting body for medicines and supplements. USP standards are enforceable by the FDA. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Hi Jeff, Yes the EPA and DHA per Omacor capsule is very high: http://www.omacor.com/ http://www.omacor.com/filestore/OmacorSPC.pdf 460 mg EPA and 380 mg DHA compared to 180 mg EPA and 120 mg DHA for a normal fish oil capsule. Equal to 3 normal fish oil capsules. As it appears to a prescription only product (I don't know why as it is the same as taking 3 normal fish oil capsules) I would suspect it is more than 3 times the price of a normal fish oil capsule. I suggest it is better to pay for a fish oil capsule with a bit of added Vit E and take a bit more Vit E when you swallow it. I also keep my fish oil and Vit E in the fridge (cool and dark) for added protection against oxidation. Greg Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products > This is a real concern not only with fish oil, but > will all supplements. > > There is a pharmaceutically available product now > called Omacar which is around 90% pure EPA/DHA. > > Nothing on the supplement market comes close to this > in concentration of EPA/DHA. > > However, the USP is now officially verifying > supplements, and if you go to the following website > you can see which brands have passed verification. > > Nature Made, Kirkland, and BJs brand fish Oils are all > USP Verified. > > Also, From the website > > http://www.usp.org/USPVerified/dietarySupplements/ > > What the USP Verified Mark Means on a Supplement Label > The distinctive USP Verified Mark represents that USP > has rigorously tested and verified the supplement, to > assure the following: > > What's on the label is in fact in the bottle-all the > listed ingredients in the declared amount. > > The supplement does not contain harmful levels of > contaminants. > > The supplement will break down and release ingredients > in the body > > The supplement has been made under good manufacturing > practices. > > USP is an independent, not-for-profit organization. > > No other organization in the U.S. that tests > supplements is recognized in federal law as the > nation's official standard-setting body for medicines > and supplements. USP standards are enforceable by the > FDA. > > Jeff > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Not so. Many concentrated EPA/DHA supplements are widelyavailable OTC,On 11/17/06, Greg < greg.watson@...> wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 At 06:34 AM 11/17/2006, you wrote: Hi Jeff, Yes the EPA and DHA per Omacor capsule is very high: http://www.omacor.com/ http://www.omacor.com/filestore/OmacorSPC.pdf 460 mg EPA and 380 mg DHA compared to 180 mg EPA and 120 mg DHA for a normal fish oil capsule. Equal to 3 normal fish oil capsules. As it appears to a prescription only product (I don't know why as it is the same as taking 3 normal fish oil capsules) I would suspect it is more than 3 times the price of a normal fish oil capsule. I suggest it is better to pay for a fish oil capsule with a bit of added Vit E and take a bit more Vit E when you swallow it. I also keep my fish oil .. . . in the fridge (cool and dark) for added protection against oxidation. Yes, and ditto. My resveratrol similarly lives in the fridge's coolest compartment along with my current bottle of pinot noir. Maco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Hi Greg: Are you really sure it is the same as taking three regular capsules? An issue it seems to me with fish oil from any source is the other fats in with the EPA and DHA. Such as the myristic acid - 14:0. Hopefully a capsule where 80% is EPA+DHA will have a lot less 14:0. For preference I would choose to use the product, whatever that is, that has the lowest ratio of myristic to EPA+DHA. And take whatever number of capsules I thought I needed to get the amount of EPA+DHA I want. Do we know the numbers for these? Rodney. > > Hi Jeff, > > Yes the EPA and DHA per Omacor capsule is very high: > > http://www.omacor.com/ > http://www.omacor.com/filestore/OmacorSPC.pdf > > 460 mg EPA and 380 mg DHA compared to 180 mg EPA and 120 mg DHA for a normal > fish oil capsule. Equal to 3 normal fish oil capsules. As it appears to a > prescription only product (I don't know why as it is the same as taking 3 > normal fish oil capsules) I would suspect it is more than 3 times the price > of a normal fish oil capsule. > > I suggest it is better to pay for a fish oil capsule with a bit of added Vit > E and take a bit more Vit E when you swallow it. I also keep my fish oil and > Vit E in the fridge (cool and dark) for added protection against oxidation. > > Greg > > Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products > > > > This is a real concern not only with fish oil, but > > will all supplements. > > > > There is a pharmaceutically available product now > > called Omacar which is around 90% pure EPA/DHA. > > > > Nothing on the supplement market comes close to this > > in concentration of EPA/DHA. > > > > However, the USP is now officially verifying > > supplements, and if you go to the following website > > you can see which brands have passed verification. > > > > Nature Made, Kirkland, and BJs brand fish Oils are all > > USP Verified. > > > > Also, From the website > > > > http://www.usp.org/USPVerified/dietarySupplements/ > > > > What the USP Verified Mark Means on a Supplement Label > > The distinctive USP Verified Mark represents that USP > > has rigorously tested and verified the supplement, to > > assure the following: > > > > What's on the label is in fact in the bottle-all the > > listed ingredients in the declared amount. > > > > The supplement does not contain harmful levels of > > contaminants. > > > > The supplement will break down and release ingredients > > in the body > > > > The supplement has been made under good manufacturing > > practices. > > > > USP is an independent, not-for-profit organization. > > > > No other organization in the U.S. that tests > > supplements is recognized in federal law as the > > nation's official standard-setting body for medicines > > and supplements. USP standards are enforceable by the > > FDA. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Omacor is about 130 a month by presription. We are talking to the company that makes it to see if they wil make, (or already make) a non prescription product that is as pure. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 > Not so. Many concentrated EPA/DHA supplements are > widely > available OTC, Such as? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Hi Marco, Where are your grapes from? Greg Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products At 06:34 AM 11/17/2006, you wrote: Hi Jeff,Yes the EPA and DHA per Omacor capsule is very high:http://www.omacor.com/http://www.omacor.com/filestore/OmacorSPC.pdf460 mg EPA and 380 mg DHA compared to 180 mg EPA and 120 mg DHA for a normal fish oil capsule. Equal to 3 normal fish oil capsules. As it appears to a prescription only product (I don't know why as it is the same as taking 3 normal fish oil capsules) I would suspect it is more than 3 times the price of a normal fish oil capsule.I suggest it is better to pay for a fish oil capsule with a bit of added Vit E and take a bit more Vit E when you swallow it. I also keep my fish oil . . .in the fridge (cool and dark) for added protection against oxidation.Yes, and ditto. My resveratrol similarly lives in the fridge's coolest compartment along with my current bottle of pinot noir.Maco No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006 5:56 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Hi Rodney, Here is the list from Blackmores, showing what the other 70% contains: 14:0 myristic acid [Typically: 7.5%](range: 5% - 9%) 14:1 myristoleic acid [0.5%] (0% - 2%) 16:0 palmitric acid [16%] (14% - 18%) 16:1 palmitoleic acid [8%] (8% - 12%) 18:1 oleic acid [12.5%] (11.5% - 17%) 18:2 linoleic acid [4.5%] (1% - 5%) 20:1 gondoic acid [2%] (1.5% - 3.5%) 20:2 eicosadienoic acid [1.2%] (0.5% - 4%) 20:4 arachidonic acid [1.8%] (1% - 3%) 20:5 eicosapentaenoic acid [18%] (17.1% - 18.9%) 22:1 cetoleic acid [1%] (0% - 2%) 22:5 docosapentaenoic acid [2%] (1% - 3.5%) 22:6 docosahexaenoic acid [12%] (11.4% - 12.6%) Others [9.7%] 95% - 20%) Contaminants for which Australia has standards include: Aldrin, Dieldrin, BHC, Chlordane, DDT, HCB, Heptachlor and ne. Greg Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products >> >> >> > This is a real concern not only with fish oil, but >> > will all supplements. >> > >> > There is a pharmaceutically available product now >> > called Omacar which is around 90% pure EPA/DHA. >> > >> > Nothing on the supplement market comes close to this >> > in concentration of EPA/DHA. >> > >> > However, the USP is now officially verifying >> > supplements, and if you go to the following website >> > you can see which brands have passed verification. >> > >> > Nature Made, Kirkland, and BJs brand fish Oils are all >> > USP Verified. >> > >> > Also, From the website >> > >> > http://www.usp.org/USPVerified/dietarySupplements/ >> > >> > What the USP Verified Mark Means on a Supplement Label >> > The distinctive USP Verified Mark represents that USP >> > has rigorously tested and verified the supplement, to >> > assure the following: >> > >> > What's on the label is in fact in the bottle-all the >> > listed ingredients in the declared amount. >> > >> > The supplement does not contain harmful levels of >> > contaminants. >> > >> > The supplement will break down and release ingredients >> > in the body >> > >> > The supplement has been made under good manufacturing >> > practices. >> > >> > USP is an independent, not-for-profit organization. >> > >> > No other organization in the U.S. that tests >> > supplements is recognized in federal law as the >> > nation's official standard-setting body for medicines >> > and supplements. USP standards are enforceable by the >> > FDA. >> > >> > Jeff >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Hi , My point was why buy a prescription fish oil when other forms are also available? Especially why pay more when it has no Vit E for free radical protection? Greg Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products Not so. Many concentrated EPA/DHA supplements are widelyavailable OTC, On 11/17/06, Greg < greg.watson@...> wrote: No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006 5:56 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Pure Omega-3Natural FactorsFor high EPA: Omegabrite and AOR EPA-Brite On 11/17/06, Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...> wrote: > Not so. Many concentrated EPA/DHA supplements are > widely > available OTC, Such as? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 Hi Jeff, I suggest they are on to a gold mine and will have no interest in making their product available at a lower price. I mean if they can sell it at that price why would they sell it for less? Greg Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products > Omacor is about 130 a month by presription. We are > talking to the company that makes it to see if they > wil make, (or already make) a non prescription product > that is as pure. > > Jeff > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Lef.org has a product " Mega EPA/DHA " that has about half that dose per capsule. 120 caps are ~ $13. http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00625.html > > > Not so. Many concentrated EPA/DHA supplements are > > widely > > available OTC, > > Such as? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 thanks As there is no standard serving size for the Supplement Facts label of these products, many of the products give different " serving " sizes so we have to level them out to make a fair comparison. Omacor is 84% pure. (per gram, EPA 465, DHA 375) Life Extension is 60% Pure (per 2 gms, EPA 720, DHA 480) EPA Brite doesnt tell the serving size so I am assuming it to be 1 gm which makes it 32% Pure. EVen if it was .5 gram, it would still only be 64% pure (per gram 325 EPA 1 DHA) OmegaBrite is 80% Pure (per 1.5 grams EPA 1050, DHA 150) Pure Omega is 66% Pure (per 1.2 grams 516 EPA, 276, DHA) Natural Factors is 60% Pure (per 1 gm, 400 EPA, 200 DHA) One that wasnt mentioned, that is the highest is Twinlab, Mega Twin EPA is 84% Pure (per gram, 600 EPA, 240 DHA) The Twinlab and the OmegaBrite are the purest with the Twinlab being about .12 per pill cheaper. The Omegabrite is a little low in DHA at 105 while the Twinlab is 240. None of these brands are USP certified though the omegabrite passed consumerlabs.com independant testing. Looks like the Twinlab is the purest OTC with the best amounts of EPA/DHA If anyone knows of any others, please let me know Thanks Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Hi Greg: Thanks for those data. I should say at the outset that I do not know for sure what is the best criterion we should be using to assess the desirability of these foods. But the ratio of EPA+DHA to myristic is one measure that seems to make sense, at least superficially. The higher this ratio the better, of course. From the data you show it appears that for that fish oil the ratio is 4·0:1. That ratio would be a lot lower if we were to include palmitic as a component of the denominator. It probably should be there, although it seems it is not as bad a myristic. But anyway, there are quite a few foods that have an appreciably better ratio than 4. From looking at the data from nutritiondata.com a few examples of better ratios are: pink salmon 6·5:1 // various types of tuna, 6·4:1 for skipjack, up to 16:1 for light tuna and 20:1 for yellow tuna // 22·9:1 for shrimp // and 30·9 for fish roe including caviar. By contrast, the ratio is zero (zero EPA+DHA and enough myristic) for most land animal fats including butter, pork tenderloin, beef tenderloin, and zero also for coconut oil. Although pork liver does contain some EPA+DHA for a ratio of 1:1. It certainly seems that EPA and DHA are both healthy. But the question of what is the best way to get them (until we have access to products that contain 100% EPA+DHA with no other deleterious fats along with them) is still not a settled issue. Rodney. > >> > >> Hi Jeff, > >> > >> Yes the EPA and DHA per Omacor capsule is very high: > >> > >> http://www.omacor.com/ > >> http://www.omacor.com/filestore/OmacorSPC.pdf > >> > >> 460 mg EPA and 380 mg DHA compared to 180 mg EPA and 120 mg DHA for > > a normal > >> fish oil capsule. Equal to 3 normal fish oil capsules. As it > > appears to a > >> prescription only product (I don't know why as it is the same as > > taking 3 > >> normal fish oil capsules) I would suspect it is more than 3 times > > the price > >> of a normal fish oil capsule. > >> > >> I suggest it is better to pay for a fish oil capsule with a bit of > > added Vit > >> E and take a bit more Vit E when you swallow it. I also keep my > > fish oil and > >> Vit E in the fridge (cool and dark) for added protection against > > oxidation. > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products > >> > >> > >> > This is a real concern not only with fish oil, but > >> > will all supplements. > >> > > >> > There is a pharmaceutically available product now > >> > called Omacar which is around 90% pure EPA/DHA. > >> > > >> > Nothing on the supplement market comes close to this > >> > in concentration of EPA/DHA. > >> > > >> > However, the USP is now officially verifying > >> > supplements, and if you go to the following website > >> > you can see which brands have passed verification. > >> > > >> > Nature Made, Kirkland, and BJs brand fish Oils are all > >> > USP Verified. > >> > > >> > Also, From the website > >> > > >> > http://www.usp.org/USPVerified/dietarySupplements/ > >> > > >> > What the USP Verified Mark Means on a Supplement Label > >> > The distinctive USP Verified Mark represents that USP > >> > has rigorously tested and verified the supplement, to > >> > assure the following: > >> > > >> > What's on the label is in fact in the bottle-all the > >> > listed ingredients in the declared amount. > >> > > >> > The supplement does not contain harmful levels of > >> > contaminants. > >> > > >> > The supplement will break down and release ingredients > >> > in the body > >> > > >> > The supplement has been made under good manufacturing > >> > practices. > >> > > >> > USP is an independent, not-for-profit organization. > >> > > >> > No other organization in the U.S. that tests > >> > supplements is recognized in federal law as the > >> > nation's official standard-setting body for medicines > >> > and supplements. USP standards are enforceable by the > >> > FDA. > >> > > >> > Jeff > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Hi Rodney, I generally go for natural sources and for every 100 g of Tasmanian farmed pink salmon I eat, I get about 1.8 g EPA + DHA. or about two of the high potency fish oil capsules. On non fish days I take 4 fish oil caps in the morning with 500 IUs Vit E along with a few other supplements. http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au/ (this old site of mine needs updating). Here is what I'm currently doing www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au Greg Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products > >> > >> > >> > This is a real concern not only with fish oil, but > >> > will all supplements. > >> > > >> > There is a pharmaceutically available product now > >> > called Omacar which is around 90% pure EPA/DHA. > >> > > >> > Nothing on the supplement market comes close to this > >> > in concentration of EPA/DHA. > >> > > >> > However, the USP is now officially verifying > >> > supplements, and if you go to the following website > >> > you can see which brands have passed verification. > >> > > >> > Nature Made, Kirkland, and BJs brand fish Oils are all > >> > USP Verified. > >> > > >> > Also, From the website > >> > > >> > http://www.usp.org/USPVerified/dietarySupplements/ > >> > > >> > What the USP Verified Mark Means on a Supplement Label > >> > The distinctive USP Verified Mark represents that USP > >> > has rigorously tested and verified the supplement, to > >> > assure the following: > >> > > >> > What's on the label is in fact in the bottle-all the > >> > listed ingredients in the declared amount. > >> > > >> > The supplement does not contain harmful levels of > >> > contaminants. > >> > > >> > The supplement will break down and release ingredients > >> > in the body > >> > > >> > The supplement has been made under good manufacturing > >> > practices. > >> > > >> > USP is an independent, not-for-profit organization. > >> > > >> > No other organization in the U.S. that tests > >> > supplements is recognized in federal law as the > >> > nation's official standard-setting body for medicines > >> > and supplements. USP standards are enforceable by the > >> > FDA. > >> > > >> > Jeff > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Absolutely. The only reason I can think of to opt for the prescription versionmight be reimbursement by one's medical coverage plan. Therefore, it mightconceivably cost the individual less, albeit 1.) providing the prescription product producer unwarranted profit 2.) decreasing cost efficiency of health care $s, and 3.) increasing the costs of health care, at least in the very short term....On 11/17/06, Greg <greg.watson@...> wrote: Hi , My point was why buy a prescription fish oil when other forms are also available? Especially why pay more when it has no Vit E for free radical protection? Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Another reason people choose the presciption bersion is quality control ad consistancy Supplements are not really regulated in the USA and there is an unacceptable rate of products that fail quality control testing. The rancidity may not be an issue Consumerlabs did test 42 fish oil products recently and all of the passed for mercury and PCBs and only 2 failed the test for rancidity. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2006 Report Share Posted November 18, 2006 Some. __,_Something to take into account when comparing Twin Labs and Omegabrite is that Omegabrite individually seals each gelcap in nitrogen in a blisterpack seal...So it seems reasonable to assume that no other product goes so far to protect against oxidation prior to ingestion... B .._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 --- In , Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...> wrote: > > > If anyone knows of any others, please let me know What is your opinion of the various " vegetarian " (i.e., algae-based) DHA supplements? For example, Source Naturals Neuromins: http://www.sourcenaturals.com/products/?id=GP1093 Thanks, - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 Hi , It contains no EPA which is the fatty acid we need in the cell membrane walls to generate more beneficial prostaglandins. Greg [ ] Re: Fish Oil and Oxidation Products > >> >> >> If anyone knows of any others, please let me know > > What is your opinion of the various " vegetarian " > (i.e., algae-based) DHA supplements? For example, > Source Naturals Neuromins: > > http://www.sourcenaturals.com/products/?id=GP1093 > > > Thanks, > - > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 The body can make EPA from ALA and the body can back convert DHA to EPA.. Thats why EPA and DHA are not considered " essential " and only ALA and LA are. As the review article I posted last week suggested, aquatic sources of EFAs may not be neccessary Regards Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2006 Report Share Posted November 19, 2006 Essential or not, many studies have shown beneficialhealth outcomes (including mood stabilization with highEPA doses, lower dementia risk with high serum DHA)associated with higher intakes of marine omega-3 oils. On 11/18/06, Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...> wrote: The body can make EPA from ALA and the body can back convert DHA to EPA.. Thats why EPA and DHA are not considered " essential " and only ALA and LA are. As the review article I posted last week suggested, aquatic sources of EFAs may not be neccessary Regards Jeff . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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