Re: Fish Oil and Oxidation Products

[Guest guest]

Hi Orb,

Additionally the Omega 3 EPA and DHA are at risk inside the body. I take 3

fish oil capsules morning and night with 250 mg of Vit E. This ensures that

the lipoproteins which carry the EPA and DHA have additional fatty acid

based anti oxidant for their journey from the gut to the cell walls.

I also eat a lot of good Australian salmon.

Greg

[ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products

> http://www.crop.cri.nz/home/news/releases/1159137244997.jsp

>

> Consumers buying foods with omega-3 may not be getting the good oil

> they think they are says Rufus , a lipids scientist with Crop

> & Food Research.

>

> He and colleague, Dr Carlene McLean, have studied commercially

> available fish oil in New Zealand, that's been manufactured

> overseas. They found it contains varying levels of primary and

> secondary oxidation products.

>

> " These oxidised products result in variations in the quality of fish

> oils and may explain the mixed results in international human

> clinical trials investigating omega 3 health benefits " Dr McLean

> said.

>

> Recent results from international cellular, animal and human trials

> indicate that the oxidised products in fish oils may have potential

> carcinogenic and pro-inflammatory actions. These products have the

> potential to increase the risk of atherosclerosis and thrombosis and

> reduce the potential benefits of omega-3 fatty acids.

>

> Dr says that unfortunately, fish oils containing omega-3

> fatty acids are unstable and more vulnerable to oxidation than

> vegetable oils or other animal fats. When fish oils come into

> contact with oxygen and are exposed to metals, light and heat they

> degrade. Oxidation of the oil accelerates after extraction from the

> fish and during subsequent storage.

>

> Dr McLean says New Zealand is at the forefront of research providing

> solutions for long-term preservation of commercial oil products for

> human use. Fish oil producers are working with scientists at Crop &

> Food Research to ensure New Zealand-produced oil is of the highest

> quality.

>

> " We are using the by-products from the filleting process, which

> constitute up to 60% of the fish weight and contain up to 10% oil,

> to produce a value-added, high-quality nutraceutical oil, " says Dr

> McLean. " As well as looking at ways to improve handling of the raw

> material after harvest, we are working with industry to modify their

> by-product processing operations, to improve yields and the quality

> of oil and protein extracts. "

>

> Dr says, " It is essential to ensure that fish oil in food

> products has good levels of omega-3 fatty acids, and that measures

> have been taken to minimise degradation, so consumers do get the

> good oil they believe they are purchasing. "

>

> Footnote:

> Recognition of the health benefits of omega-3 fatty acids has grown

> since the Inuit Eskimos low incidence of heart disease was

> highlighted in the 1970s. Their high fat diet is sourced from marine

> animals and it has now been established that the omega-3 fatty acids

> found in fish play a unique and important role in preventing heart

> disease.

>

> Many other benefits have also been associated with consumption of

> fish oils including enhanced immunity, improved bone, joint and eye

> health and better brain function. Links have also been made to

> mental health.

>

> Around the world, food companies have responded to consumer

> awareness of these health benefits by creating products with omega-3

> fatty acids. These include: breads, spreads, yoghurts and drinks.

>

> Footnote 2: Drs and McLean work on lipids, proteins & their

> oxidation. Recent research, at their base, has focused on the

> analysis of volatile oxidation products in fish species. This has

> been achieved using the only Gas Chromatography Mass Spectrometer -

> SPME dedicated to oils in New Zealand.

>

>

> For more information contact:

> Dr Rufus , or Dr Carlene McLean

> Crop & Food Research

> Tel 03 539 1849

> Email R@...

> McLeanC@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

A hearty " welcome back " to Greg.

IMHO one more reason not to rely on supplements. There's nothing like mother nature.

on 11/17/2006 1:24 AM, Greg at greg.watson@... wrote:

Hi Orb,

Additionally the Omega 3 EPA and DHA are at risk inside the body. I take 3

fish oil capsules morning and night with 250 mg of Vit E. This ensures that

the lipoproteins which carry the EPA and DHA have additional fatty acid

based anti oxidant for their journey from the gut to the cell walls.

I also eat a lot of good Australian salmon.

Greg

[ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products

> http://www.crop.cri.nz/home/news/releases/1159137244997.jsp

>

> Consumers buying foods with omega-3 may not be getting the good oil

> they think they are says Rufus , a lipids scientist with Crop

> & Food Research.

>

> He and colleague, Dr Carlene McLean, have studied commercially

> available fish oil in New Zealand, that's been manufactured

> overseas. They found it contains varying levels of primary and

> secondary oxidation products.

>

[Guest guest]

This is a real concern not only with fish oil, but

will all supplements.

There is a pharmaceutically available product now

called Omacar which is around 90% pure EPA/DHA.

Nothing on the supplement market comes close to this

in concentration of EPA/DHA.

However, the USP is now officially verifying

supplements, and if you go to the following website

you can see which brands have passed verification.

Nature Made, Kirkland, and BJs brand fish Oils are all

USP Verified.

Also, From the website

http://www.usp.org/USPVerified/dietarySupplements/

What the USP Verified Mark Means on a Supplement Label

The distinctive USP Verified Mark represents that USP

has rigorously tested and verified the supplement, to

assure the following:

What's on the label is in fact in the bottle—all the

listed ingredients in the declared amount.

The supplement does not contain harmful levels of

contaminants.

The supplement will break down and release ingredients

in the body

The supplement has been made under good manufacturing

practices.

USP is an independent, not-for-profit organization.

No other organization in the U.S. that tests

supplements is recognized in federal law as the

nation's official standard-setting body for medicines

and supplements. USP standards are enforceable by the

FDA.

Jeff

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeff,

Yes the EPA and DHA per Omacor capsule is very high:

http://www.omacor.com/

http://www.omacor.com/filestore/OmacorSPC.pdf

460 mg EPA and 380 mg DHA compared to 180 mg EPA and 120 mg DHA for a normal

fish oil capsule. Equal to 3 normal fish oil capsules. As it appears to a

prescription only product (I don't know why as it is the same as taking 3

normal fish oil capsules) I would suspect it is more than 3 times the price

of a normal fish oil capsule.

I suggest it is better to pay for a fish oil capsule with a bit of added Vit

E and take a bit more Vit E when you swallow it. I also keep my fish oil and

Vit E in the fridge (cool and dark) for added protection against oxidation.

Greg

Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products

> This is a real concern not only with fish oil, but

> will all supplements.

>

> There is a pharmaceutically available product now

> called Omacar which is around 90% pure EPA/DHA.

>

> Nothing on the supplement market comes close to this

> in concentration of EPA/DHA.

>

> However, the USP is now officially verifying

> supplements, and if you go to the following website

> you can see which brands have passed verification.

>

> Nature Made, Kirkland, and BJs brand fish Oils are all

> USP Verified.

>

> Also, From the website

>

> http://www.usp.org/USPVerified/dietarySupplements/

>

> What the USP Verified Mark Means on a Supplement Label

> The distinctive USP Verified Mark represents that USP

> has rigorously tested and verified the supplement, to

> assure the following:

>

> What's on the label is in fact in the bottle-all the

> listed ingredients in the declared amount.

>

> The supplement does not contain harmful levels of

> contaminants.

>

> The supplement will break down and release ingredients

> in the body

>

> The supplement has been made under good manufacturing

> practices.

>

> USP is an independent, not-for-profit organization.

>

> No other organization in the U.S. that tests

> supplements is recognized in federal law as the

> nation's official standard-setting body for medicines

> and supplements. USP standards are enforceable by the

> FDA.

>

> Jeff

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not so. Many concentrated EPA/DHA supplements are widelyavailable OTC,On 11/17/06, Greg <

greg.watson@...> wrote:

[Guest guest]

At 06:34 AM 11/17/2006, you wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Yes the EPA and DHA per Omacor capsule is very high:

http://www.omacor.com/

http://www.omacor.com/filestore/OmacorSPC.pdf

460 mg EPA and 380 mg DHA compared to 180 mg EPA and 120 mg DHA for a

normal

fish oil capsule. Equal to 3 normal fish oil capsules. As it appears to a

prescription only product (I don't know why as it is the same as taking 3

normal fish oil capsules) I would suspect it is more than 3 times the

price

of a normal fish oil capsule.

I suggest it is better to pay for a fish oil capsule with a bit of added

Vit

E and take a bit more Vit E when you swallow it. I also keep my fish oil

.. . .

in the fridge (cool and dark) for added protection against

oxidation.

Yes, and ditto. My resveratrol similarly lives in the

fridge's coolest compartment along with my current bottle of pinot

noir.

Maco

[Guest guest]

Hi Greg:

Are you really sure it is the same as taking three regular capsules?

An issue it seems to me with fish oil from any source is the other

fats in with the EPA and DHA. Such as the myristic acid - 14:0.

Hopefully a capsule where 80% is EPA+DHA will have a lot less 14:0.

For preference I would choose to use the product, whatever that is,

that has the lowest ratio of myristic to EPA+DHA. And take whatever

number of capsules I thought I needed to get the amount of EPA+DHA I

want.

Do we know the numbers for these?

Rodney.

>

> Hi Jeff,

>

> Yes the EPA and DHA per Omacor capsule is very high:

>

> http://www.omacor.com/

> http://www.omacor.com/filestore/OmacorSPC.pdf

>

> 460 mg EPA and 380 mg DHA compared to 180 mg EPA and 120 mg DHA for

a normal

> fish oil capsule. Equal to 3 normal fish oil capsules. As it

appears to a

> prescription only product (I don't know why as it is the same as

taking 3

> normal fish oil capsules) I would suspect it is more than 3 times

the price

> of a normal fish oil capsule.

>

> I suggest it is better to pay for a fish oil capsule with a bit of

added Vit

> E and take a bit more Vit E when you swallow it. I also keep my

fish oil and

> Vit E in the fridge (cool and dark) for added protection against

oxidation.

>

> Greg

>

> Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products

>

>

> > This is a real concern not only with fish oil, but

> > will all supplements.

> >

> > There is a pharmaceutically available product now

> > called Omacar which is around 90% pure EPA/DHA.

> >

> > Nothing on the supplement market comes close to this

> > in concentration of EPA/DHA.

> >

> > However, the USP is now officially verifying

> > supplements, and if you go to the following website

> > you can see which brands have passed verification.

> >

> > Nature Made, Kirkland, and BJs brand fish Oils are all

> > USP Verified.

> >

> > Also, From the website

> >

> > http://www.usp.org/USPVerified/dietarySupplements/

> >

> > What the USP Verified Mark Means on a Supplement Label

> > The distinctive USP Verified Mark represents that USP

> > has rigorously tested and verified the supplement, to

> > assure the following:

> >

> > What's on the label is in fact in the bottle-all the

> > listed ingredients in the declared amount.

> >

> > The supplement does not contain harmful levels of

> > contaminants.

> >

> > The supplement will break down and release ingredients

> > in the body

> >

> > The supplement has been made under good manufacturing

> > practices.

> >

> > USP is an independent, not-for-profit organization.

> >

> > No other organization in the U.S. that tests

> > supplements is recognized in federal law as the

> > nation's official standard-setting body for medicines

> > and supplements. USP standards are enforceable by the

> > FDA.

> >

> > Jeff

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Omacor is about 130 a month by presription. We are

talking to the company that makes it to see if they

wil make, (or already make) a non prescription product

that is as pure.

Jeff

[Guest guest]

> Not so. Many concentrated EPA/DHA supplements are

> widely

> available OTC,

Such as?

[Guest guest]

Hi Marco,

Where are your grapes from?

Greg

Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products

At 06:34 AM 11/17/2006, you wrote:

Hi Jeff,Yes the EPA and DHA per Omacor capsule is very high:http://www.omacor.com/http://www.omacor.com/filestore/OmacorSPC.pdf460 mg EPA and 380 mg DHA compared to 180 mg EPA and 120 mg DHA for a normal fish oil capsule. Equal to 3 normal fish oil capsules. As it appears to a prescription only product (I don't know why as it is the same as taking 3 normal fish oil capsules) I would suspect it is more than 3 times the price of a normal fish oil capsule.I suggest it is better to pay for a fish oil capsule with a bit of added Vit E and take a bit more Vit E when you swallow it. I also keep my fish oil . . .in the fridge (cool and dark) for added protection against oxidation.Yes, and ditto. My resveratrol similarly lives in the fridge's coolest compartment along with my current bottle of pinot noir.Maco

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[Guest guest]

Hi Rodney,

Here is the list from Blackmores, showing what the other 70% contains:

14:0 myristic acid [Typically: 7.5%](range: 5% - 9%)

14:1 myristoleic acid [0.5%] (0% - 2%)

16:0 palmitric acid [16%] (14% - 18%)

16:1 palmitoleic acid [8%] (8% - 12%)

18:1 oleic acid [12.5%] (11.5% - 17%)

18:2 linoleic acid [4.5%] (1% - 5%)

20:1 gondoic acid [2%] (1.5% - 3.5%)

20:2 eicosadienoic acid [1.2%] (0.5% - 4%)

20:4 arachidonic acid [1.8%] (1% - 3%)

20:5 eicosapentaenoic acid [18%] (17.1% - 18.9%)

22:1 cetoleic acid [1%] (0% - 2%)

22:5 docosapentaenoic acid [2%] (1% - 3.5%)

22:6 docosahexaenoic acid [12%] (11.4% - 12.6%)

Others [9.7%] 95% - 20%)

Contaminants for which Australia has standards include: Aldrin, Dieldrin,

BHC, Chlordane, DDT, HCB, Heptachlor and ne.

Greg

Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products

>>

>>

>> > This is a real concern not only with fish oil, but

>> > will all supplements.

>> >

>> > There is a pharmaceutically available product now

>> > called Omacar which is around 90% pure EPA/DHA.

>> >

>> > Nothing on the supplement market comes close to this

>> > in concentration of EPA/DHA.

>> >

>> > However, the USP is now officially verifying

>> > supplements, and if you go to the following website

>> > you can see which brands have passed verification.

>> >

>> > Nature Made, Kirkland, and BJs brand fish Oils are all

>> > USP Verified.

>> >

>> > Also, From the website

>> >

>> > http://www.usp.org/USPVerified/dietarySupplements/

>> >

>> > What the USP Verified Mark Means on a Supplement Label

>> > The distinctive USP Verified Mark represents that USP

>> > has rigorously tested and verified the supplement, to

>> > assure the following:

>> >

>> > What's on the label is in fact in the bottle-all the

>> > listed ingredients in the declared amount.

>> >

>> > The supplement does not contain harmful levels of

>> > contaminants.

>> >

>> > The supplement will break down and release ingredients

>> > in the body

>> >

>> > The supplement has been made under good manufacturing

>> > practices.

>> >

>> > USP is an independent, not-for-profit organization.

>> >

>> > No other organization in the U.S. that tests

>> > supplements is recognized in federal law as the

>> > nation's official standard-setting body for medicines

>> > and supplements. USP standards are enforceable by the

>> > FDA.

>> >

>> > Jeff

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My point was why buy a prescription fish oil when other forms are also available? Especially why pay more when it has no Vit E for free radical protection?

Greg

Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products

Not so. Many concentrated EPA/DHA supplements are widelyavailable OTC,

On 11/17/06, Greg < greg.watson@...> wrote:

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[Guest guest]

Pure Omega-3Natural FactorsFor high EPA: Omegabrite and AOR EPA-Brite

On 11/17/06, Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...> wrote:

> Not so. Many concentrated EPA/DHA supplements are

> widely

> available OTC,

Such as?

[Guest guest]

Hi Jeff,

I suggest they are on to a gold mine and will have no interest in making

their product available at a lower price. I mean if they can sell it at that

price why would they sell it for less?

Greg

Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products

> Omacor is about 130 a month by presription. We are

> talking to the company that makes it to see if they

> wil make, (or already make) a non prescription product

> that is as pure.

>

> Jeff

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lef.org has a product " Mega EPA/DHA " that has about half that dose per

capsule. 120 caps are ~ $13.

http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00625.html

>

> > Not so. Many concentrated EPA/DHA supplements are

> > widely

> > available OTC,

>

> Such as?

>

[Guest guest]

thanks

As there is no standard serving size for the

Supplement Facts label of these products, many of the

products give different " serving " sizes so we have to

level them out to make a fair comparison.

Omacor is 84% pure.

(per gram, EPA 465, DHA 375)

Life Extension is 60% Pure

(per 2 gms, EPA 720, DHA 480)

EPA Brite doesnt tell the serving size so I am

assuming it to be 1 gm which makes it 32% Pure. EVen

if it was .5 gram, it would still only be 64% pure

(per gram 325 EPA 1 DHA)

OmegaBrite is 80% Pure

(per 1.5 grams EPA 1050, DHA 150)

Pure Omega is 66% Pure

(per 1.2 grams 516 EPA, 276, DHA)

Natural Factors is 60% Pure

(per 1 gm, 400 EPA, 200 DHA)

One that wasnt mentioned, that is the highest is

Twinlab, Mega Twin EPA is 84% Pure

(per gram, 600 EPA, 240 DHA)

The Twinlab and the OmegaBrite are the purest with the

Twinlab being about .12 per pill cheaper. The

Omegabrite is a little low in DHA at 105 while the

Twinlab is 240.

None of these brands are USP certified though the

omegabrite passed consumerlabs.com independant

testing.

Looks like the Twinlab is the purest OTC with the best

amounts of EPA/DHA

If anyone knows of any others, please let me know

Thanks

Jeff

[Guest guest]

Hi Greg:

Thanks for those data.

I should say at the outset that I do not know for sure what is the

best criterion we should be using to assess the desirability of these

foods. But the ratio of EPA+DHA to myristic is one measure that

seems to make sense, at least superficially. The higher this ratio

the better, of course.

From the data you show it appears that for that fish oil the ratio is

4·0:1. That ratio would be a lot lower if we were to include

palmitic as a component of the denominator. It probably should be

there, although it seems it is not as bad a myristic.

But anyway, there are quite a few foods that have an appreciably

better ratio than 4. From looking at the data from nutritiondata.com

a few examples of better ratios are: pink salmon 6·5:1 // various

types of tuna, 6·4:1 for skipjack, up to 16:1 for light tuna and 20:1

for yellow tuna // 22·9:1 for shrimp // and 30·9 for fish roe

including caviar.

By contrast, the ratio is zero (zero EPA+DHA and enough myristic) for

most land animal fats including butter, pork tenderloin, beef

tenderloin, and zero also for coconut oil. Although pork liver does

contain some EPA+DHA for a ratio of 1:1.

It certainly seems that EPA and DHA are both healthy. But the

question of what is the best way to get them (until we have access to

products that contain 100% EPA+DHA with no other deleterious fats

along with them) is still not a settled issue.

Rodney.

> >>

> >> Hi Jeff,

> >>

> >> Yes the EPA and DHA per Omacor capsule is very high:

> >>

> >> http://www.omacor.com/

> >> http://www.omacor.com/filestore/OmacorSPC.pdf

> >>

> >> 460 mg EPA and 380 mg DHA compared to 180 mg EPA and 120 mg DHA

for

> > a normal

> >> fish oil capsule. Equal to 3 normal fish oil capsules. As it

> > appears to a

> >> prescription only product (I don't know why as it is the same as

> > taking 3

> >> normal fish oil capsules) I would suspect it is more than 3 times

> > the price

> >> of a normal fish oil capsule.

> >>

> >> I suggest it is better to pay for a fish oil capsule with a bit

of

> > added Vit

> >> E and take a bit more Vit E when you swallow it. I also keep my

> > fish oil and

> >> Vit E in the fridge (cool and dark) for added protection against

> > oxidation.

> >>

> >> Greg

> >>

> >> Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products

> >>

> >>

> >> > This is a real concern not only with fish oil, but

> >> > will all supplements.

> >> >

> >> > There is a pharmaceutically available product now

> >> > called Omacar which is around 90% pure EPA/DHA.

> >> >

> >> > Nothing on the supplement market comes close to this

> >> > in concentration of EPA/DHA.

> >> >

> >> > However, the USP is now officially verifying

> >> > supplements, and if you go to the following website

> >> > you can see which brands have passed verification.

> >> >

> >> > Nature Made, Kirkland, and BJs brand fish Oils are all

> >> > USP Verified.

> >> >

> >> > Also, From the website

> >> >

> >> > http://www.usp.org/USPVerified/dietarySupplements/

> >> >

> >> > What the USP Verified Mark Means on a Supplement Label

> >> > The distinctive USP Verified Mark represents that USP

> >> > has rigorously tested and verified the supplement, to

> >> > assure the following:

> >> >

> >> > What's on the label is in fact in the bottle-all the

> >> > listed ingredients in the declared amount.

> >> >

> >> > The supplement does not contain harmful levels of

> >> > contaminants.

> >> >

> >> > The supplement will break down and release ingredients

> >> > in the body

> >> >

> >> > The supplement has been made under good manufacturing

> >> > practices.

> >> >

> >> > USP is an independent, not-for-profit organization.

> >> >

> >> > No other organization in the U.S. that tests

> >> > supplements is recognized in federal law as the

> >> > nation's official standard-setting body for medicines

> >> > and supplements. USP standards are enforceable by the

> >> > FDA.

> >> >

> >> > Jeff

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Rodney,

I generally go for natural sources and for every 100 g of Tasmanian farmed

pink salmon I eat, I get about 1.8 g EPA + DHA. or about two of the high

potency fish oil capsules. On non fish days I take 4 fish oil caps in the

morning with 500 IUs Vit E along with a few other supplements.

http://optimalhealth.cia.com.au/ (this old site of mine needs updating).

Here is what I'm currently doing www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au

Greg

Re: [ ] Fish Oil and Oxidation Products

> >>

> >>

> >> > This is a real concern not only with fish oil, but

> >> > will all supplements.

> >> >

> >> > There is a pharmaceutically available product now

> >> > called Omacar which is around 90% pure EPA/DHA.

> >> >

> >> > Nothing on the supplement market comes close to this

> >> > in concentration of EPA/DHA.

> >> >

> >> > However, the USP is now officially verifying

> >> > supplements, and if you go to the following website

> >> > you can see which brands have passed verification.

> >> >

> >> > Nature Made, Kirkland, and BJs brand fish Oils are all

> >> > USP Verified.

> >> >

> >> > Also, From the website

> >> >

> >> > http://www.usp.org/USPVerified/dietarySupplements/

> >> >

> >> > What the USP Verified Mark Means on a Supplement Label

> >> > The distinctive USP Verified Mark represents that USP

> >> > has rigorously tested and verified the supplement, to

> >> > assure the following:

> >> >

> >> > What's on the label is in fact in the bottle-all the

> >> > listed ingredients in the declared amount.

> >> >

> >> > The supplement does not contain harmful levels of

> >> > contaminants.

> >> >

> >> > The supplement will break down and release ingredients

> >> > in the body

> >> >

> >> > The supplement has been made under good manufacturing

> >> > practices.

> >> >

> >> > USP is an independent, not-for-profit organization.

> >> >

> >> > No other organization in the U.S. that tests

> >> > supplements is recognized in federal law as the

> >> > nation's official standard-setting body for medicines

> >> > and supplements. USP standards are enforceable by the

> >> > FDA.

> >> >

> >> > Jeff

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Absolutely. The only reason I can think of to opt for the prescription versionmight be reimbursement by one's medical coverage plan. Therefore, it mightconceivably cost the individual less, albeit 1.) providing the prescription product

producer unwarranted profit 2.) decreasing cost efficiency of health care $s, and 3.) increasing the costs of health care, at least in the very short term....On 11/17/06,

Greg <greg.watson@...> wrote:

Hi ,

My point was why buy a prescription fish oil when other forms are also available? Especially why pay more when it has no Vit E for free radical protection?

Greg

[Guest guest]

Another reason people choose the presciption bersion

is quality control ad consistancy

Supplements are not really regulated in the USA and

there is an unacceptable rate of products that fail

quality control testing.

The rancidity may not be an issue

Consumerlabs did test 42 fish oil products recently

and all of the passed for mercury and PCBs and only 2

failed the test for rancidity.

Jeff

[Guest guest]

Some.

__,_Something to take into account when comparing Twin Labs and Omegabrite is that Omegabrite individually seals each gelcap in nitrogen in a blisterpack seal...So it seems reasonable to assume that no other product goes so far to protect against oxidation prior to ingestion...

B

.._,___

[Guest guest]

--- In , Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...>

wrote:

>

>

> If anyone knows of any others, please let me know

What is your opinion of the various " vegetarian "

(i.e., algae-based) DHA supplements? For example,

Source Naturals Neuromins:

http://www.sourcenaturals.com/products/?id=GP1093

Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

It contains no EPA which is the fatty acid we need in the cell membrane

walls to generate more beneficial prostaglandins.

Greg

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> Source Naturals Neuromins:

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> http://www.sourcenaturals.com/products/?id=GP1093

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The body can make EPA from ALA and the body can back

convert DHA to EPA..

Thats why EPA and DHA are not considered " essential "

and only ALA and LA are.

As the review article I posted last week suggested,

aquatic sources of EFAs may not be neccessary

Regards

Jeff

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Essential or not, many studies have shown beneficialhealth outcomes (including mood stabilization with highEPA doses, lower dementia risk with high serum DHA)associated with higher intakes of marine omega-3 oils.

On 11/18/06, Jeff Novick <chefjeff40@...> wrote:

The body can make EPA from ALA and the body can back

convert DHA to EPA..

Thats why EPA and DHA are not considered " essential "

and only ALA and LA are.

As the review article I posted last week suggested,

aquatic sources of EFAs may not be neccessary

Regards

Jeff

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