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January 7, 1993

Dear List,

>Does anyone have any feedback about the quality of GNC products?

Sandy...we have a gold card and had bought the GNC variety for years...then

we got a bit smarter. If you want good vitamins...SHAKLEE makes food

derived vitamins and they are bound to be operating in Canada...am I wrong?

I guess I could be, Canada is farther along than the US in terms of the NWO

schedule. In any case, food derived vitamins are the way to go. I am sure

you will get more specific suggestions from others. We have been happy with

SOLGAR,

THOMPSONS, NATURE'S PLUS, and there are a lot more available.

Getting the right kind of supplement is real important...we can shoot

ourselves in the foot very easily with unatural supplements. Juicing live

foods is probably the best way to get what we need. Super green foods will

supply a wonderful amount of necessary nutrition...we all ought to be using

a good one.

God Bless,

15:8-9

This people draweth nigh unto me

with their mouth, and honoureth me

with their lips; but their heart is far

from me. But in vain they do worship

me, teaching for doctrines the

commandments of men.

November 17, 1998

Hello all...

I just wanted to say hi too.. and to let everyone know I am here to

learn and contribute..

let the games begin

Sherri-Lee

December 21, 1998

Dear Vilik, I always knew you were a woman, Tell me WHY the game,

I am just blunt old me, I want lay it on the line answers. WHy the other

way?

to each its own, but for me I like to be me, woman, mother wife,grandma,

44 year old aging cheerleader type,

susan

the chamber maid

January 7, 1999

I am not an expert but I have shopped at GNC for a number of years and as a

rule, I find their products equal to other sources. Of course, they are

strong on products dealing with diet and exercise.

January 7, 1999

In a message dated 1/7/99 9:12:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,

details51@... writes:

<< Does anyone have any feedback about the quality of GNC products? >>

I have no experience with GNC private label products but I would be shocked if

they are making it themselves. Many companies actually go to competitors to

have products made and labeled. This is one issue to consider whenever buying

any store name brand, regardless of industry. The supplement industry is one

of the scariest ones because they really have no regulation. Its not that I

am in favor of some big governmental agency stepping in, but it would be good

to really know that labels are at least accurate. So I personally use Solgar,

they've been around a very long time and I have only heard good things about

them.

February 5, 1999

I came across the following at: http://www.ceri.com/mito2.htm a fascinating

article on Mitochondria, Hypothyroidism

and Weight Loss.

The Balance Between Free Radicals and Antioxidants

For decades, evidence has been accumulating that hydrogen peroxide is

necessary for the

production of thyroid hormone. It seems highly likely that hydrogen peroxide

is required to

“activate” iodine for the iodination of tyrosine. Although antioxidants are

clearly necessary to

protect thyroid cells from the deleterious effects of the oxidative stress

of this process, it is vital

that they not interfere with the iodination process itself. At sufficiently

high levels, some

antioxidants may very well be capable of quenching key iodination

free-radical intermediates and

might thereby inhibit thyroid hormone production, lower basal metabolic

rate, and impair weight

loss and/or cause weight gain. We will be discussing this possibility in

more detail in a future

article.

jim

--

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http://www.doorway.to/poetry ICQ:16531148

amicus certus in re incerta

February 10, 1999

Hotmail has recurring problems.

I have experienced them my self.

You might have to wait a day or two for

hotmail to just fix things with their servers.

dan

(no subject)

>From: " sandy green " <details51@...>

>

>To the list,

>

>My computer has been out for repair and I now have 123 messages to sort

>through. The problem is that it's taking approx. 30-50 seconds to delete

>a message or move on to the next one. At this rate, I'll never move on,

>not to mention keep my computer in tact (I want to kill it).I have

>another email site which is operating very normally. Hotmail takes

>forever to respond to these problems. Is anyone else experiencing this

>with Hotmail?

>

>Sandy Green

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March 18, 1999

what was that.......... lolololol

April 1, 1999

Patty

I have known that there was something going on for awhile but didn't know

what it was. There was a program on tv that I was watching that talked

about it. They described her to a T. I started watching her more. When I

talked about it with her, telling her what I thought was going on, she

didn't want to believe me at first. She would tell me that she couldn't

help what was going on. She told me that it was like there was a voice

telling her, in her head, that she wasn't clean. Even though she knew she

should be. Then she would tell me she did it because she liked it. Now she

just wants to be over it.

We went out of town for Spring break, to see family in Colorado. She did so

good there. My mom said that if she didn't know better she would have never

known she had ocd. She is still doing real good. She asks us if we

notice. It makes her feel so good.

It has helped her relationship with her brother also.

She didn't want to believe it at first. Now since we have found out there

are so many others out there that are going through the same thing we are

able to talk about it freely with her.

(no subject)

>From: Patty <snafuhayes@...>

>

>Hello list!

>I'm glad to hear there are others out there with 13 year old children with

>OCD. To Kathy: I can't seem to tell whether my daughter realizes just

exactly

>what she's doing. I ask her about why she has to go up and down our stairs

5

>or 6 times to get it just right but she never seems to have an answer for

me.

>She smiles at me and says she just likes to do it. Is this denial?

>I have the book Kissing Doorknobs on my bookcase for her to read at her

>initiative but so far she won't look at it. I noticed Tammy has joined the

>list. Tammy, does your daughter recocgnize what she is doing to herself?

If

>so, did she recocgnize she had a problem on her own or did you help her?

My

>daughter " " doesn't seem to think there is anything wrong. Also to

Jim -

>could you please tell me the McMaster web site you posted. I wrote it down

>but misplaced it. I live in Canada and would also like to find out about

the

>resources available here. Take care everyone.

>Patty

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April 2, 1999

Welcome, Patty!

Patty wrote:

>

> From: Patty <snafuhayes@...>

>

> Hello list.

> My name is Patty. I have been viewing this list for some time now to get an

> idea of how everyone else is coping with OCD. I have a 13 your old daughter

> who is exhibiting some OCD behaviour. She started washing her hands a couple

> of years ago till they almost bled. She doesn't do that anymore. She is now

> in the repetative mode. She can't do anything just once. Although it doesn't

> seem to bother her it annoys the rest of us who have to live with her. I hope

> that didn't sound mean!

No, it doesn't! I come from a family full of disorders, and, believe

me, one person's symptom can drive others nuts. It can be a real

challenge to live together peacefully.

fran

April 4, 1999

Patty

We had times when it didn't go to well, but for now thing are looking up.

My children are getting along great, like they once did. I thank God for

that.

I try not to miss a day when I don't give her a big hug and tell her that I

love her. She gets the biggest grin on her face. She has told me that she

really like this. I do too. My son is 17 but is open with me also. We are

a very loving family. We are always telling each other that we love each

other. It has helped in keeping us close.

I hope things go well with you and your family. Hopefully there will come a

time when your daughter realizes what she has and wants help. Sometimes

that day seems like it will never come. Hang in there.

Happy Easter

Tammy

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>From: Patty <snafuhayes@...>

>

>Tammy

>

>I'm glad to hear that your daughter felt close enough to you to recognize

and

>talk to you about her ocd. I think family support is everything and I wish

>'s older sister (17) would be as open and willing to help her sister

as

>much as your son does. I'm keeping my eyes open and my fingers crossed for

my

>daughter to come to me freely.

>

>Happy Easter everyone and take care!

>

>Patty

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April 4, 1999

Also to Jim -

could you please tell me the McMaster web site you posted. I wrote it down

but misplaced it. I live in Canada and would also like to find out about

the resources available here. Take care everyone.

>Patty-

Sorry for the delay, i have been out-of-town.

http://www-fhs.mcmaster.ca/direct/ -Check out the Anxiety Resource link.

BTW I received an acknowlegement from Dr. Swinson after sending him a copy

of my post to this List.

Jim

April 9, 1999

Dear ,

Arrange some ozone treatment for her.

Regards,

Noel.

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First it is ridiculed

Then it is violently opposed

Finally it is accepted as self evident.

Schopenhauer.

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April 13, 1999

My husband calls it " tripping " as in " Ava stop tripping and get ready for

school ! " . I have heard myself say over and over " you don't have time to sit and

stare, get ready " . So yeah, I'm

familiar with this one. Ava has had picture check lists of tasks to get out of

the house (when she couldn't read) written check lists posted in two places, as

she got older I gave her the

list of tasks and a clock and let her figure out what time each could take and

her still be ready. I've used egg timers, incentives,

consequences...everything. My experience is it works

some of the time for periods of time. OCD waxes and wanes, meds work and then

not. Right now she's 11 and I find that what is currently working is to give

her a lot of structure and

responsibility in the morning so she can't even begin to sit and stare. I don't

remind her of the time and I don't raise my voice - I just stay out of it. She

gets up at 6:30, takes the dog

for a short walk to the corner and back, showers and dresses, makes her own

breakfast, does the dishes, brushes her teeth, does her hair, gathers her

bookbag, takes the dog on the long walk

to the end of the block and back and is sitting in the car by 7:45. If any of

these things get left out I say " I too have a hard time being efficient, usually

when I'm overtired, you can go

to bed a half hour earlier tonight and we'll see if that helps " . If it doesn't

help, it's an hour earlier the next night. She really does need a lot of sleep

so it actually does help and it

helps me stay calm and neutral.

Morning problems are a part of most parent's life but it can definitley be

trickier for parents of OCDers.

Dana

Patty wrote:

> From: Patty <snafuhayes@...>

>

> Hi everyone. I'm finally able to read all the mail and am happy to see some

> new members. Although the stories are heartbreaking, we can all certainly

> relate. 's teacher approached me with something called " Primary

> Obsessional Slowness " . I know I read this somewhere in one of the books I

> researched about OCD but I don't remember too much about it. He thought it

> might relate to what is going through. A lot of the things she used to

> do and some of the things she does now seem to fit. Does anyone else know

> about this side of OCD? still takes " forever " to get ready for school.

> I have put time limits to everything she does to keep her on time at school,

> at least. If I don't time her she'll sit in front of her mirror and just sit

> there and stare at herself until I call her to go to school. No wonder she

> was late so often! Some good news though, her report came home with some

> improvement, thank goodness. Her teacher has helped her greatly because he

> knows she needs more time to answer test questions because she answering them

> several times. At least he gets it! OK, enough from me. Again, welcome new

> members. We are here for each other. Take care!

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Dear Theresa: I have a 16 year old daughter who also had a particularly bad

week in school partly because of the bombing in Colorado. She has been

having rapid heart beats which may be panic attacks. She also, the week

before, was home and missed two days of school. As a result, she was behind

in school. Having to make up several tests and the talk of the bombing

escalated her ocd. On Friday, she asked to come home as she was crying and

saying her ocd was out of control. Do you parents out there ever feel that

it seems as if whenever your child seems to be doing well, thats when all of

sudden their ocd is out of control? I can write on this list one day that my

child is doing well and then the next week, it is the exact opposite. Also

when I tried to organize her when she came home, she got resentful. I think

she wanted more sympathy and less help with her school work and tests.

Isn't it our jobs to keep them from feeling sorry for themselves. I

try to be helpful but at times I think she wants me to just say, " oh, honey

don't worry about school " . I'm tired.

However, in response to someone else on this list, I surprised my

husband this weekend for a night away. We need it. Sorry for the length.

Sheree

April 24, 1999

HI Theresa:

Wow, Ellen did some excellent bossing back of her OCD to get to school

after worrying about the Columbine school massacre. Even my non-OCD

co-workers had a hard time settling down to work after watching the news on

this tragedy; it is hard to imagine how difficult this must be for our

OCDers, especially those with violent obsessions.

Please keep us posted on how your 504 arrangements are going. My son just

went to his 504 meeting for the first time on Thursday and he handled very

well. It was hard for him but he is learning to participate in the

decisions about his treatment and school/mental health interventions. We

even had an offer from one of his 6th grade teachers to help us orient the

7th grade teachers in the Fall, and share with them techniques and

strategies she found to help Steve with his OCD in the classroom.

Take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 09:39 AM 4/24/99 -0400, you wrote:

> Hi My name is Theresa and I have a fourteen year old daughter

>who has OCD. I've been reading the e-mails and have been thinking I've

>been there and I've done that. It's so gratifying to know that there are

>other parents who are going through the same emotions and heartaches that

>my family has experienced. I read the information on the 504 plan and

>immediately investigated. For years,I've struggled with the school system

>and no one has ever said you can do this. Thanks for the information.

>Yesterday was a real crises day. Ellen wouldn't go to school. She had

>decided for the past three days that she was sick and didn't feel well.She

>had been displaying quite a lot of her OCD symptoms,but I thought it was

>because of PACT testing. When I woke her up,she wanted me to take her to

>the doctor,but I told her she didn't have anything wrong with her. She

>finally admitted she was scared because of the Columbine school

>shootings.I knew I couldn't give in to this because if I did ,she would

>try every morning. After numerous telephone calls to the principal,the

>school psychologist,the guidance counselor,and Ellen's psychologist,she

>finally made it to school at 10. I realize this is probably a little

>long,but it's nice to be able to vent to people who actually know and

>understand what it's really like.We live in S.C. Thanks,

> Theresa

April 26, 1999

Dear Sheree - It sounds to me like the adolescent beast rearing its ugly

head! Hang in there, it does get better.....Faith

Re: (no subject)

From: SSacks9021@...

Dear Theresa and others: Help! Right now I feel so frustrated. In my

last

post, I told you all we were going away, which we did. Unfortunately we

had

to come home too. I had an incident with my daughter the evening before

we

left to go to Cape May. She was out with about 4 friends and called

around

10 pmand ll pm to ask if they could all sleep over. I said no, because

I

had work the next day. At l0 minutes to l2 (midnite) she called to ask

again. I said no and come home now. Curfew is at midnight. At 1 am we

woke

up to find all 5 kids in my den. I was amazed and appalled. To think

she

would deliberately disobey me!!! She said they planned to go to

another's

house but got locked out. I say it does not matter because she should

have

made plans at l0:00 when she first called. Now she is angry at US.

Well we

grounded her for 2 weekends and she said you can't stop me from going

out.

Is this ocd or just a beligerant adolescent? When I think of the ocd

and

all the visits to school, the nurse, the psychologist, the docs, etc.

and now

this.........its hard not to be depressed myself. It seems too much for

any

one person. Sorry, guys, just feeling really angry. Sometimes I get

resentful too. Sheree

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April 26, 1999

Hi, Theresa,

I have a very busy schedule and I'm trying to keep up with the traffic of this

mailing list. Whew! it's not easy.

My son, 16 year old, has the same problem. Once we even tried the home

schooling for two weeks. But, it was not a good idea, he just escaped from the

school and the reality. I put him back to school again. But, of course,

whenever he is behind, he does not want to go to school, because he is not ready

for test or project due's. I sometimes let him stay home, but, most of times,

he has to go. The main reason I let him stay home is because I don't want him to

embarrass even further. As it is now, he looks very funny to other students,

missing and late to classes, not to turning in homeworks, etc. It's quite

painful for a teenage who used to be a top 5% student. The 504 plan is not

working to the extent he needs. I'll talk with the school officials to press

more allowance. I don't have a lot to share other than painful strugglings.

Your note is not long. I'm glad to see that I'm not alone. Take care.

TC

" Theresa " <pudding@...> on 04/24/99 09:39:18 AM

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Hi

My name is Theresa and I have a fourteen year old daughter who has OCD.

I've been reading the e-mails and have been thinking I've been there and I've

done that. It's so gratifying to know that there are other parents who are going

through the same emotions and heartaches that my family has experienced.

I read the information on the 504 plan and immediately investigated. For

years,I've struggled with the school system and no one has ever said you can do

this. Thanks for the information.

Yesterday was a real crises day. Ellen wouldn't go to school. She had

decided for the past three days that she was sick and didn't feel well.She had

been displaying quite a lot of her OCD symptoms,but I thought it was because of

PACT testing. When I woke her up,she wanted me to take her to the doctor,but I

told her she didn't have anything wrong with her. She finally admitted she was

scared because of the Columbine school shootings.I knew I couldn't give in to

this because if I did ,she would try every morning. After numerous telephone

calls to the principal,the school psychologist,the guidance counselor,and

Ellen's

psychologist,she finally made it to school at 10.

I realize this is probably a little long,but it's nice to be able to vent

to people who actually know and understand what it's really like.We live in S.C.

Thanks,

Theresa

April 26, 1999

Kathy,

How lucky you are. Steve's teacher understands OCD? Otherwise, how can she

help? Chris's teachers do not understand and accuse not doing homeworks.

TC

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