Guest guest Posted January 7, 1993 Report Share Posted January 7, 1993 Dear List, >Does anyone have any feedback about the quality of GNC products? Sandy...we have a gold card and had bought the GNC variety for years...then we got a bit smarter. If you want good vitamins...SHAKLEE makes food derived vitamins and they are bound to be operating in Canada...am I wrong? I guess I could be, Canada is farther along than the US in terms of the NWO schedule. In any case, food derived vitamins are the way to go. I am sure you will get more specific suggestions from others. We have been happy with SOLGAR, THOMPSONS, NATURE'S PLUS, and there are a lot more available. Getting the right kind of supplement is real important...we can shoot ourselves in the foot very easily with unatural supplements. Juicing live foods is probably the best way to get what we need. Super green foods will supply a wonderful amount of necessary nutrition...we all ought to be using a good one. God Bless, 15:8-9 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 1998 Report Share Posted November 17, 1998 Hello all... I just wanted to say hi too.. and to let everyone know I am here to learn and contribute.. let the games begin Sherri-Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 1998 Report Share Posted December 21, 1998 Dear Vilik, I always knew you were a woman, Tell me WHY the game, I am just blunt old me, I want lay it on the line answers. WHy the other way? to each its own, but for me I like to be me, woman, mother wife,grandma, 44 year old aging cheerleader type, susan the chamber maid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 1999 Report Share Posted January 7, 1999 I am not an expert but I have shopped at GNC for a number of years and as a rule, I find their products equal to other sources. Of course, they are strong on products dealing with diet and exercise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 1999 Report Share Posted January 7, 1999 In a message dated 1/7/99 9:12:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, details51@... writes: << Does anyone have any feedback about the quality of GNC products? >> I have no experience with GNC private label products but I would be shocked if they are making it themselves. Many companies actually go to competitors to have products made and labeled. This is one issue to consider whenever buying any store name brand, regardless of industry. The supplement industry is one of the scariest ones because they really have no regulation. Its not that I am in favor of some big governmental agency stepping in, but it would be good to really know that labels are at least accurate. So I personally use Solgar, they've been around a very long time and I have only heard good things about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 1999 Report Share Posted February 5, 1999 I came across the following at: http://www.ceri.com/mito2.htm a fascinating article on Mitochondria, Hypothyroidism and Weight Loss. The Balance Between Free Radicals and Antioxidants For decades, evidence has been accumulating that hydrogen peroxide is necessary for the production of thyroid hormone. It seems highly likely that hydrogen peroxide is required to “activate” iodine for the iodination of tyrosine. Although antioxidants are clearly necessary to protect thyroid cells from the deleterious effects of the oxidative stress of this process, it is vital that they not interfere with the iodination process itself. At sufficiently high levels, some antioxidants may very well be capable of quenching key iodination free-radical intermediates and might thereby inhibit thyroid hormone production, lower basal metabolic rate, and impair weight loss and/or cause weight gain. We will be discussing this possibility in more detail in a future article. jim -- jim@... http://www.doorway.to/madscience http://www.doorway.to/poetry ICQ:16531148 amicus certus in re incerta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 1999 Report Share Posted February 10, 1999 Hotmail has recurring problems. I have experienced them my self. You might have to wait a day or two for hotmail to just fix things with their servers. dan (no subject) >From: " sandy green " <details51@...> > >To the list, > >My computer has been out for repair and I now have 123 messages to sort >through. The problem is that it's taking approx. 30-50 seconds to delete >a message or move on to the next one. At this rate, I'll never move on, >not to mention keep my computer in tact (I want to kill it).I have >another email site which is operating very normally. Hotmail takes >forever to respond to these problems. Is anyone else experiencing this >with Hotmail? > >Sandy Green > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 1999 Report Share Posted March 18, 1999 what was that.......... lolololol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 1999 Report Share Posted April 1, 1999 Patty I have known that there was something going on for awhile but didn't know what it was. There was a program on tv that I was watching that talked about it. They described her to a T. I started watching her more. When I talked about it with her, telling her what I thought was going on, she didn't want to believe me at first. She would tell me that she couldn't help what was going on. She told me that it was like there was a voice telling her, in her head, that she wasn't clean. Even though she knew she should be. Then she would tell me she did it because she liked it. Now she just wants to be over it. We went out of town for Spring break, to see family in Colorado. She did so good there. My mom said that if she didn't know better she would have never known she had ocd. She is still doing real good. She asks us if we notice. It makes her feel so good. It has helped her relationship with her brother also. She didn't want to believe it at first. Now since we have found out there are so many others out there that are going through the same thing we are able to talk about it freely with her. (no subject) >From: Patty <snafuhayes@...> > >Hello list! >I'm glad to hear there are others out there with 13 year old children with >OCD. To Kathy: I can't seem to tell whether my daughter realizes just exactly >what she's doing. I ask her about why she has to go up and down our stairs 5 >or 6 times to get it just right but she never seems to have an answer for me. >She smiles at me and says she just likes to do it. Is this denial? >I have the book Kissing Doorknobs on my bookcase for her to read at her >initiative but so far she won't look at it. I noticed Tammy has joined the >list. Tammy, does your daughter recocgnize what she is doing to herself? If >so, did she recocgnize she had a problem on her own or did you help her? My >daughter " " doesn't seem to think there is anything wrong. Also to Jim - >could you please tell me the McMaster web site you posted. I wrote it down >but misplaced it. I live in Canada and would also like to find out about the >resources available here. Take care everyone. >Patty > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Ideas on how we can improve ONElist? > >Check out the Suggestion Box feature on our new web site >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >The is sponsored by the OCSDA. You may visit their web site at http://www.ocdhelp.org/ and view schedules for chatroom support at http://www.ocdhelp.org/chat.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 1999 Report Share Posted April 2, 1999 Welcome, Patty! Patty wrote: > > From: Patty <snafuhayes@...> > > Hello list. > My name is Patty. I have been viewing this list for some time now to get an > idea of how everyone else is coping with OCD. I have a 13 your old daughter > who is exhibiting some OCD behaviour. She started washing her hands a couple > of years ago till they almost bled. She doesn't do that anymore. She is now > in the repetative mode. She can't do anything just once. Although it doesn't > seem to bother her it annoys the rest of us who have to live with her. I hope > that didn't sound mean! No, it doesn't! I come from a family full of disorders, and, believe me, one person's symptom can drive others nuts. It can be a real challenge to live together peacefully. fran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 1999 Report Share Posted April 4, 1999 Patty We had times when it didn't go to well, but for now thing are looking up. My children are getting along great, like they once did. I thank God for that. I try not to miss a day when I don't give her a big hug and tell her that I love her. She gets the biggest grin on her face. She has told me that she really like this. I do too. My son is 17 but is open with me also. We are a very loving family. We are always telling each other that we love each other. It has helped in keeping us close. I hope things go well with you and your family. Hopefully there will come a time when your daughter realizes what she has and wants help. Sometimes that day seems like it will never come. Hang in there. Happy Easter Tammy (no subject) >From: Patty <snafuhayes@...> > >Tammy > >I'm glad to hear that your daughter felt close enough to you to recognize and >talk to you about her ocd. I think family support is everything and I wish >'s older sister (17) would be as open and willing to help her sister as >much as your son does. I'm keeping my eyes open and my fingers crossed for my >daughter to come to me freely. > >Happy Easter everyone and take care! > >Patty > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Come check out our brand new web site! > >Onelist: Making the Internet intimate >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >The is sponsored by the OCSDA. You may visit their web site at http://www.ocdhelp.org/ and view schedules for chatroom support at http://www.ocdhelp.org/chat.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 1999 Report Share Posted April 4, 1999 Also to Jim - could you please tell me the McMaster web site you posted. I wrote it down but misplaced it. I live in Canada and would also like to find out about the resources available here. Take care everyone. >Patty- Sorry for the delay, i have been out-of-town. http://www-fhs.mcmaster.ca/direct/ -Check out the Anxiety Resource link. BTW I received an acknowlegement from Dr. Swinson after sending him a copy of my post to this List. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 1999 Report Share Posted April 9, 1999 Dear , Arrange some ozone treatment for her. Regards, Noel. Noel 89 Royal Parade P O Box 137 Parkville VIC 3052 Australia Telephone 03 9347 8444 International 613 9347 8444 Fax 03 9347 8850 International 613 9347 850 Email noelc@... Home Page www.smile.org.au Sapere Aude: Dare to be wise. All truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed Then it is violently opposed Finally it is accepted as self evident. Schopenhauer. (no subject) From: Baskins <BSBaskins@...> Is there a particular website or egroup that deals mainly with systemic candida healing or alleviation or cleansing? My mother in Chicago has been battling this for years with limited success. Any information or guidance would be appreciated. Help! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tired of empty chat rooms and out of date bulletin boards? http://www.ONElist.com ONElist: Making the Internet Intimate ------------------------------------------------------------------------ OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can subscribe/unsubscribe via e-mail by sending AN e-mail to the following address DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE oxyplus-subscribeonelist - subscribe to a list. oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist - unsubscribe from a list. oxyplus-digestonelist - switch your subscription to digest mode. oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 1999 Report Share Posted April 9, 1999 Have your physician test for adequate digestion. He may recommend betaine hydrochloride and some enzymes. Baskins wrote: > > From: Baskins <BSBaskins@...> > > Is there a particular website or egroup that deals mainly with systemic > candida healing or alleviation or cleansing? My mother in Chicago has > been battling this for years with limited success. Any information or > guidance would be appreciated. Help! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Tired of empty chat rooms and out of date bulletin boards? > http://www.ONElist.com > ONElist: Making the Internet Intimate > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless > > You can subscribe/unsubscribe via e-mail by sending AN e-mail to the following address > DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE > oxyplus-subscribeonelist - subscribe to a list. > oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist - unsubscribe from a list. > oxyplus-digestonelist - switch your subscription to digest mode. > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 1999 Report Share Posted April 13, 1999 My husband calls it " tripping " as in " Ava stop tripping and get ready for school ! " . I have heard myself say over and over " you don't have time to sit and stare, get ready " . So yeah, I'm familiar with this one. Ava has had picture check lists of tasks to get out of the house (when she couldn't read) written check lists posted in two places, as she got older I gave her the list of tasks and a clock and let her figure out what time each could take and her still be ready. I've used egg timers, incentives, consequences...everything. My experience is it works some of the time for periods of time. OCD waxes and wanes, meds work and then not. Right now she's 11 and I find that what is currently working is to give her a lot of structure and responsibility in the morning so she can't even begin to sit and stare. I don't remind her of the time and I don't raise my voice - I just stay out of it. She gets up at 6:30, takes the dog for a short walk to the corner and back, showers and dresses, makes her own breakfast, does the dishes, brushes her teeth, does her hair, gathers her bookbag, takes the dog on the long walk to the end of the block and back and is sitting in the car by 7:45. If any of these things get left out I say " I too have a hard time being efficient, usually when I'm overtired, you can go to bed a half hour earlier tonight and we'll see if that helps " . If it doesn't help, it's an hour earlier the next night. She really does need a lot of sleep so it actually does help and it helps me stay calm and neutral. Morning problems are a part of most parent's life but it can definitley be trickier for parents of OCDers. Dana Patty wrote: > From: Patty <snafuhayes@...> > > Hi everyone. I'm finally able to read all the mail and am happy to see some > new members. Although the stories are heartbreaking, we can all certainly > relate. 's teacher approached me with something called " Primary > Obsessional Slowness " . I know I read this somewhere in one of the books I > researched about OCD but I don't remember too much about it. He thought it > might relate to what is going through. A lot of the things she used to > do and some of the things she does now seem to fit. Does anyone else know > about this side of OCD? still takes " forever " to get ready for school. > I have put time limits to everything she does to keep her on time at school, > at least. If I don't time her she'll sit in front of her mirror and just sit > there and stare at herself until I call her to go to school. No wonder she > was late so often! Some good news though, her report came home with some > improvement, thank goodness. Her teacher has helped her greatly because he > knows she needs more time to answer test questions because she answering them > several times. At least he gets it! OK, enough from me. Again, welcome new > members. We are here for each other. Take care! > Patty > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > shop.theglobe.com * One Stop Shopping * Free Shipping in the U.S.! > Live Personal Shopper * Satisfaction Guaranteed * No Hassle Returns! > Accessories, Apparel, Gourmet, Jewelry, Kids, Outdoors, Sports, More! > /ad/shoptheglobe0 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The is sponsored by the OCSDA. You may visit their web site at http://www.ocdhelp.org/ and view schedules for chatroom support at http://www.ocdhelp.org/chat.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 1999 Report Share Posted April 24, 1999 Dear Theresa: I have a 16 year old daughter who also had a particularly bad week in school partly because of the bombing in Colorado. She has been having rapid heart beats which may be panic attacks. She also, the week before, was home and missed two days of school. As a result, she was behind in school. Having to make up several tests and the talk of the bombing escalated her ocd. On Friday, she asked to come home as she was crying and saying her ocd was out of control. Do you parents out there ever feel that it seems as if whenever your child seems to be doing well, thats when all of sudden their ocd is out of control? I can write on this list one day that my child is doing well and then the next week, it is the exact opposite. Also when I tried to organize her when she came home, she got resentful. I think she wanted more sympathy and less help with her school work and tests. Isn't it our jobs to keep them from feeling sorry for themselves. I try to be helpful but at times I think she wants me to just say, " oh, honey don't worry about school " . I'm tired. However, in response to someone else on this list, I surprised my husband this weekend for a night away. We need it. Sorry for the length. Sheree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 1999 Report Share Posted April 24, 1999 HI Theresa: Wow, Ellen did some excellent bossing back of her OCD to get to school after worrying about the Columbine school massacre. Even my non-OCD co-workers had a hard time settling down to work after watching the news on this tragedy; it is hard to imagine how difficult this must be for our OCDers, especially those with violent obsessions. Please keep us posted on how your 504 arrangements are going. My son just went to his 504 meeting for the first time on Thursday and he handled very well. It was hard for him but he is learning to participate in the decisions about his treatment and school/mental health interventions. We even had an offer from one of his 6th grade teachers to help us orient the 7th grade teachers in the Fall, and share with them techniques and strategies she found to help Steve with his OCD in the classroom. Take care, aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... At 09:39 AM 4/24/99 -0400, you wrote: > Hi My name is Theresa and I have a fourteen year old daughter >who has OCD. I've been reading the e-mails and have been thinking I've >been there and I've done that. It's so gratifying to know that there are >other parents who are going through the same emotions and heartaches that >my family has experienced. I read the information on the 504 plan and >immediately investigated. For years,I've struggled with the school system >and no one has ever said you can do this. Thanks for the information. >Yesterday was a real crises day. Ellen wouldn't go to school. She had >decided for the past three days that she was sick and didn't feel well.She >had been displaying quite a lot of her OCD symptoms,but I thought it was >because of PACT testing. When I woke her up,she wanted me to take her to >the doctor,but I told her she didn't have anything wrong with her. She >finally admitted she was scared because of the Columbine school >shootings.I knew I couldn't give in to this because if I did ,she would >try every morning. After numerous telephone calls to the principal,the >school psychologist,the guidance counselor,and Ellen's psychologist,she >finally made it to school at 10. I realize this is probably a little >long,but it's nice to be able to vent to people who actually know and >understand what it's really like.We live in S.C. Thanks, > Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 1999 Report Share Posted April 26, 1999 Dear Sheree - It sounds to me like the adolescent beast rearing its ugly head! Hang in there, it does get better.....Faith Re: (no subject) From: SSacks9021@... Dear Theresa and others: Help! Right now I feel so frustrated. In my last post, I told you all we were going away, which we did. Unfortunately we had to come home too. I had an incident with my daughter the evening before we left to go to Cape May. She was out with about 4 friends and called around 10 pmand ll pm to ask if they could all sleep over. I said no, because I had work the next day. At l0 minutes to l2 (midnite) she called to ask again. I said no and come home now. Curfew is at midnight. At 1 am we woke up to find all 5 kids in my den. I was amazed and appalled. To think she would deliberately disobey me!!! She said they planned to go to another's house but got locked out. I say it does not matter because she should have made plans at l0:00 when she first called. Now she is angry at US. Well we grounded her for 2 weekends and she said you can't stop me from going out. Is this ocd or just a beligerant adolescent? When I think of the ocd and all the visits to school, the nurse, the psychologist, the docs, etc. and now this.........its hard not to be depressed myself. It seems too much for any one person. Sorry, guys, just feeling really angry. Sometimes I get resentful too. Sheree ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Did you know that we add over 1,000 new e-mail communities every day? http://www.ONElist.com Explore a new hobby, discover a new friend, laugh at a new joke! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The is sponsored by the OCSDA. You may visit their web site at http://www.ocdhelp.org/ and view schedules for chatroom support at http://www.ocdhelp.org/chat.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 1999 Report Share Posted April 26, 1999 Hi, Theresa, I have a very busy schedule and I'm trying to keep up with the traffic of this mailing list. Whew! it's not easy. My son, 16 year old, has the same problem. Once we even tried the home schooling for two weeks. But, it was not a good idea, he just escaped from the school and the reality. I put him back to school again. But, of course, whenever he is behind, he does not want to go to school, because he is not ready for test or project due's. I sometimes let him stay home, but, most of times, he has to go. The main reason I let him stay home is because I don't want him to embarrass even further. As it is now, he looks very funny to other students, missing and late to classes, not to turning in homeworks, etc. It's quite painful for a teenage who used to be a top 5% student. The 504 plan is not working to the extent he needs. I'll talk with the school officials to press more allowance. I don't have a lot to share other than painful strugglings. Your note is not long. I'm glad to see that I'm not alone. Take care. TC " Theresa " <pudding@...> on 04/24/99 09:39:18 AM Please respond to onelist onelist cc: (bcc: Tse Chao/JerseyCity/iNautix) Subject: (no subject) Hi My name is Theresa and I have a fourteen year old daughter who has OCD. I've been reading the e-mails and have been thinking I've been there and I've done that. It's so gratifying to know that there are other parents who are going through the same emotions and heartaches that my family has experienced. I read the information on the 504 plan and immediately investigated. For years,I've struggled with the school system and no one has ever said you can do this. Thanks for the information. Yesterday was a real crises day. Ellen wouldn't go to school. She had decided for the past three days that she was sick and didn't feel well.She had been displaying quite a lot of her OCD symptoms,but I thought it was because of PACT testing. When I woke her up,she wanted me to take her to the doctor,but I told her she didn't have anything wrong with her. She finally admitted she was scared because of the Columbine school shootings.I knew I couldn't give in to this because if I did ,she would try every morning. After numerous telephone calls to the principal,the school psychologist,the guidance counselor,and Ellen's psychologist,she finally made it to school at 10. I realize this is probably a little long,but it's nice to be able to vent to people who actually know and understand what it's really like.We live in S.C. Thanks, Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 1999 Report Share Posted April 26, 1999 Kathy, How lucky you are. Steve's teacher understands OCD? Otherwise, how can she help? Chris's teachers do not understand and accuse not doing homeworks. TC Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...> on 04/24/99 02:13:30 PM Please respond to onelist onelist cc: (bcc: Tse Chao/JerseyCity/iNautix) Subject: Re: (no subject) From: Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...> HI Theresa: Wow, Ellen did some excellent bossing back of her OCD to get to school after worrying about the Columbine school massacre. Even my non-OCD co-workers had a hard time settling down to work after watching the news on this tragedy; it is hard to imagine how difficult this must be for our OCDers, especially those with violent obsessions. Please keep us posted on how your 504 arrangements are going. My son just went to his 504 meeting for the first time on Thursday and he handled very well. It was hard for him but he is learning to participate in the decisions about his treatment and school/mental health interventions. We even had an offer from one of his 6th grade teachers to help us orient the 7th grade teachers in the Fall, and share with them techniques and strategies she found to help Steve with his OCD in the classroom. Take care, aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... At 09:39 AM 4/24/99 -0400, you wrote: > Hi My name is Theresa and I have a fourteen year old daughter >who has OCD. I've been reading the e-mails and have been thinking I've >been there and I've done that. It's so gratifying to know that there are >other parents who are going through the same emotions and heartaches that >my family has experienced. I read the information on the 504 plan and >immediately investigated. For years,I've struggled with the school system >and no one has ever said you can do this. Thanks for the information. >Yesterday was a real crises day. Ellen wouldn't go to school. She had >decided for the past three days that she was sick and didn't feel well.She >had been displaying quite a lot of her OCD symptoms,but I thought it was >because of PACT testing. When I woke her up,she wanted me to take her to >the doctor,but I told her she didn't have anything wrong with her. She >finally admitted she was scared because of the Columbine school >shootings.I knew I couldn't give in to this because if I did ,she would >try every morning. After numerous telephone calls to the principal,the >school psychologist,the guidance counselor,and Ellen's psychologist,she >finally made it to school at 10. I realize this is probably a little >long,but it's nice to be able to vent to people who actually know and >understand what it's really like.We live in S.C. Thanks, > Theresa ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Have you visited the new ONElist home page lately? http://www.ONElist.com ONElist: The Leading e-mail list and community service on the Internet! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The is sponsored by the OCSDA. You may visit their web site at http://www.ocdhelp.org/ and view schedules for chatroom support at http://www.ocdhelp.org/chat.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 I agree to some extent that our children need to be responsible for their actions regardless of the OCD or not. HOWEVER, I am a Mother who has OCD and until you have had the nagging thoughts and the scary obsessions and rituals it is impossible to understand just how hard it is to " control " your OCD behavior. Through Behavior Therapy my daughter and myself have learned ways of handling our OCD but to tell me that I need to be responsible for something I truly have no control over makes no sense. With Behavior Therapy I have learned ways to Control my thoughts and feelings but without it you can't expect a child to just take responsibility for her OCD. Noelle136@... wrote: > From: Noelle136@... > > Theresa, > I commend you for teaching your daughter to be responsible for her > behavior, OCD or not. I am working on this with my five year old. I just > feel he needs to know that OCD or not, he is ultimately responsible for his > actions and the effects they have. Perhaps if my husband had learned this > lesson he would not have left us. He has chronic depression and therefore > believes anything and everything he does is justified because he has a > " disability " . He is destroying his family but it is not his fault due to > depression. I will not allow my son to fall into this way of thinking. I do > chose my battles, I am well educated about OCD, and I help him. But > ultimately, he must learn to be responsible for his actions. In a way your > letter was encouragement to me. To see that another is expecting this from > and OCD child. Thank you. > noelle > noelle136@... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Did you know that knowledge is power? > http://www.ONElist.com > Join a new ONElist e-mail community and strengthen your mind! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The is sponsored by the OCSDA. You may visit their web site at http://www.ocdhelp.org/ and view schedules for chatroom support at http://www.ocdhelp.org/chat.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 HI TC: SInce Steve was diagnosed he has had about ten teachers and I would say only one, his GT Math teacher, really has any understanding of OCD. However my son's homeroom teacher has shown a great willingness to help share with other teachers and this is the thin end of the wedge as far as working successfully with the school. It is definintely a step on the way to understanding. Have you tried talking to the teachers with a professional? This has been invaluable to us. Somehow even though we can explain OCD pretty well to Steve's teachers, it just works better to have a professional attend a meeting and talk calmly about what classroom interventions are needed. That way sceptical teachers have to face unquestionable evidence that there is a valid problem and they are not dealing with laziness, lack of motivation or normal orneriness. Sometimes we have had more mental health professionals on conference calls at our 504 meetings than teachers and that really gets the message across. Also you can prep the professionals to address directly the problems created when teachers misinterpret our kid's behaviors. If you can work with Chris' teachers to address not doing homework as a symptom of a problem rather than a problem in itself, you might be able to make some headway with them. You might also want to meet separately with Chris's teachers and work at establishing a cooperative relationship where you will work jointly with them on helping Chris. Sometimes I have had to explain to the teachers what an evening in our house was like with untreated OCD running the show. This helped them realize that focusing on homework/undone schoolwork was not the priority and getting OCD treated was. Just as parents must adjust their expectations when OCD is in sway, so must teachers. What we found that helped was to assure the teachers that we were working hard on helping Steve get the OCD under control and that when that happened the schoolwork problems would improve. Sometimes you just meet a teacher on burnout and then all your efforts may not be effective. Then you might want to make it very clear to them that you understand Chris' legal rights. This approach when done subtly can get even the most non-responsive administrators/educators to pay attention. My son's psychologist has told us horror stories of battles he has engaged in to get school accommodations for some of the kids he treats. I apologize in advance if what I have written offends those on the list who are in the teaching profession. So far we have mostly come in contact with very caring, committed teachers who want very much to help. Aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... TC wrote: Kathy, > >How lucky you are. Steve's teacher understands OCD? Otherwise, how can she >help? Chris's teachers do not understand and accuse not doing homeworks. > >TC > > > > >Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...> on 04/24/99 02:13:30 PM > >Please respond to onelist > > onelist >cc: (bcc: Tse Chao/JerseyCity/iNautix) > >Subject: Re: (no subject) > > > > >From: Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...> > >HI Theresa: > >Wow, Ellen did some excellent bossing back of her OCD to get to school >after worrying about the Columbine school massacre. Even my non-OCD >co-workers had a hard time settling down to work after watching the news on >this tragedy; it is hard to imagine how difficult this must be for our >OCDers, especially those with violent obsessions. > >Please keep us posted on how your 504 arrangements are going. My son just >went to his 504 meeting for the first time on Thursday and he handled very >well. It was hard for him but he is learning to participate in the >decisions about his treatment and school/mental health interventions. We >even had an offer from one of his 6th grade teachers to help us orient the >7th grade teachers in the Fall, and share with them techniques and >strategies she found to help Steve with his OCD in the classroom. > >Take care, aloha, Kathy (H) >kathyh@... > >At 09:39 AM 4/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >> Hi My name is Theresa and I have a fourteen year old daughter >>who has OCD. I've been reading the e-mails and have been thinking I've >>been there and I've done that. It's so gratifying to know that there are >>other parents who are going through the same emotions and heartaches that >>my family has experienced. I read the information on the 504 plan and >>immediately investigated. For years,I've struggled with the school system >>and no one has ever said you can do this. Thanks for the information. >>Yesterday was a real crises day. Ellen wouldn't go to school. She had >>decided for the past three days that she was sick and didn't feel well.She >>had been displaying quite a lot of her OCD symptoms,but I thought it was >>because of PACT testing. When I woke her up,she wanted me to take her to >>the doctor,but I told her she didn't have anything wrong with her. She >>finally admitted she was scared because of the Columbine school >>shootings.I knew I couldn't give in to this because if I did ,she would >>try every morning. After numerous telephone calls to the principal,the >>school psychologist,the guidance counselor,and Ellen's psychologist,she >>finally made it to school at 10. I realize this is probably a little >>long,but it's nice to be able to vent to people who actually know and >>understand what it's really like.We live in S.C. Thanks, >> Theresa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 1999 Report Share Posted April 27, 1999 , Thanks and take care! mary Knod wrote: > From: Knod <kelly@...> > > Dear , > > Please don't apologize, it is part of my OCD to analyze everything I say, > everything that is said to me etc. This could go on forever if I don't put > a stop to it. I was truthfully asking if you were being sarcastic because > I am famous for every other one of my sentences being sarcastic. Something > my family is use to and I just expect from others I suppose. You may not > have a sarcastic bone in your body but I can honestly say that I don't have a > bone that isn't sarcastic! =-) Please forgive my forwardness, I just like to know > where I stand so I don't have to stay up all night trying to analyze words. > > I would like to say something, this has been a terrible OCD month for my daughter > and myself. We both were switched from Zoloft to Luvox at the same time and > there are days when we are both crying in a corner. I wouldn't trade this experience > for anything though. I am so thankful to KNOW what my daughter is feeling, or have > an idea. My husband makes comments like, " Why can't she just stop taking so many > showers " . I KNOW why she can't, it is a feeling, an inner voice that won't stop > nagging us. I also have more patience with my husband because I know how hard > it must be to understand what goes through somebody's mind with OCD. We all > have some OCD tendencies I believe anyway and that makes it so much more difficult > to understand. Say your neighbor is a " hoarder " . BUT when she realizes that she > has accumulated too much stuff even though it is painful and hard she can get rid of > the excess. A Hoarder with OCD CAN'T get rid of the excess. So people identify > with people with OCD but they can't really get the full picture of how much it really > takes over your life........ > > Sorry if I came across gruff. New meds are the pits! My daughter is a terror!!! > As for Time outs and making her take responsibility for her actions, yes we do that. > We are consistent with her time outs and such but it is important to remember that > she isn't a " bad " kid, just a kid with OCD. She needs more help then my other > children when it comes to everyday stuff. Sorry I have rambled. > > You can get a copy of the touching tree from the OC Foundation. I can get the > information for you, just not tonight. Tomorrow. =-) > > Thanks you for being so kind and understanding. > > Knod > > wrote: > > > From: <maryth3@...> > > > > , > > I'm so sorry, I was not being sarcastic. I truly > > meant that I was grateful for you giving me some > > insight. I agree with you wholeheartedly! > > > > I would never want to have this terrible illness, > > but for just one day I'd like to crawl into my > > son's body to get an idea of what he is having > > to cope with. > > > > I don't have a sarcastic bone in my body when > > it comes to OCD. Sorry again. > > mary > > > > Knod wrote: > > > > > From: Knod <kelly@...> > > > > > > Dear , > > > > > > Unfortunately I miss most of the posts and for this I also miss the entire conversation > > > which kind of puts me in a spot of not hearing everything I should hear before > > > coming to a conclusion. > > > > > > I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic by putting " shedding some light " in > > > quotation marks. I don't mean to sound as if I know it all because I certainly > > > don't. Unfortunately I know what it is like to have OCD. I also know what > > > it is like to have a 2 year old waking me up at all hours of the night to clean an > > > already spotless house. > > > > > > So if I mistated I apologize. It just sounded to me that your " pushing " an OCDER > > > is similar to making an anorexic eat. You can't MAKE an anorexic eat and you > > > can't make an OCDER just stop their compulsions. This is something they need > > > to do with professional help and it needs to be an accomplishment all their own. > > > > > > Good Luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: <maryth3@...> > > > > > > > > , > > > > Thanks for " shedding some light " on this > > > > subject. You are right, most of us don't have > > > > OCD, and have no understanding of what it's > > > > like to have it. I am trying to be as patient and > > > > understanding as I can be while at the same time > > > > giving that extra push. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > mary from LA > > > > > > > > Knod wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Knod <kelly@...> > > > > > > > > > > I agree to some extent that our children need to be responsible for their actions regardless of the OCD or not. HOWEVER, I am a Mother who has OCD and until you have had the nagging > > > > > thoughts and the scary obsessions and rituals it is impossible to understand just how hard it is to " control " your OCD behavior. > > > > > > > > > > Through Behavior Therapy my daughter and myself have learned ways of handling our OCD but to tell me that I need to be responsible for something I truly have no control over makes no sense. > > > > > With Behavior Therapy I have learned ways to Control my thoughts and feelings but without it you can't expect a child to just take responsibility for her OCD. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Noelle136@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Noelle136@... > > > > > > > > > > > > Theresa, > > > > > > I commend you for teaching your daughter to be responsible for her > > > > > > behavior, OCD or not. I am working on this with my five year old. I just > > > > > > feel he needs to know that OCD or not, he is ultimately responsible for his > > > > > > actions and the effects they have. Perhaps if my husband had learned this > > > > > > lesson he would not have left us. He has chronic depression and therefore > > > > > > believes anything and everything he does is justified because he has a > > > > > > " disability " . He is destroying his family but it is not his fault due to > > > > > > depression. I will not allow my son to fall into this way of thinking. I do > > > > > > chose my battles, I am well educated about OCD, and I help him. But > > > > > > ultimately, he must learn to be responsible for his actions. In a way your > > > > > > letter was encouragement to me. To see that another is expecting this from > > > > > > and OCD child. 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Guest guest Posted April 28, 1999 Report Share Posted April 28, 1999 Theresa, Our school has everything, a psychologist, a social worker and teachers. The psychologist setup the 504 plan for Chris. I also asked her to educate the teachers on OCD. I don't know how she did this. It does not seem to be effective. That's why I decided to print the " What is OCD " article for all teachers and other related staff. I think that OCD is still just a terminology to most of them. If they, including the psychologist and the social worker, truly understand the nature of the problem, how can they deny my request at the begining of the plan for reducing Chris's homework load? 11th grade english requires lots of reading and is especially obsessive on reading. When the psychologist consulted with the english teacher about reducing the homeworks, the teacher refused and claimed that " it would not be 11th grade english anymore " . Therefore, we could not reduce the number of reading and project assignments which has to do every night (because there are daily assignments). I think I might need to go higher up to the board to request this. With 504, sometimes gets two days more. But, so what? The amount of homework is the same. He falls more and more behind. I'm quite frustrated with the school. The social worker in our school does some consoling for kids who have needs and serves almost no function in the 504 plan. TC " Theresa " <pudding@...> on 04/27/99 12:03:38 PM Please respond to onelist onelist cc: (bcc: Tse Chao/JerseyCity/iNautix) Subject: (no subject) TC It sounds to me as if you have a communication problem with your son's teachers and school.My daughter's teachers have been very helpful. Only a few of them know. Does his school have a psychologist that can help set up some type of program with his teachers(504)? The schools here do not have social workers. I' ve been reading some of the e-mails about social workers. How do they help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 1999 Report Share Posted April 29, 1999 Hi Kathy, IT sounds like a good idea to have a professional to conference in the 504 meeting. I'm not sure how our psychiatrist will react to that. I'll try and also have him to write a letter to request for more accomodations on the classroom/curriculum settings. I like your idea of " address not doing homework as a symptom of a problem rather than a problem in itself " . I think the focus has been the opposite and wrong. I should point this out to the teachers. Thanks for the valuable information and suggestions. TC Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...> on 04/27/99 02:37:12 PM Please respond to onelist onelist cc: (bcc: Tse Chao/JerseyCity/iNautix) Subject: Re: (no subject) From: Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...> HI TC: SInce Steve was diagnosed he has had about ten teachers and I would say only one, his GT Math teacher, really has any understanding of OCD. However my son's homeroom teacher has shown a great willingness to help share with other teachers and this is the thin end of the wedge as far as working successfully with the school. It is definintely a step on the way to understanding. Have you tried talking to the teachers with a professional? This has been invaluable to us. Somehow even though we can explain OCD pretty well to Steve's teachers, it just works better to have a professional attend a meeting and talk calmly about what classroom interventions are needed. That way sceptical teachers have to face unquestionable evidence that there is a valid problem and they are not dealing with laziness, lack of motivation or normal orneriness. Sometimes we have had more mental health professionals on conference calls at our 504 meetings than teachers and that really gets the message across. Also you can prep the professionals to address directly the problems created when teachers misinterpret our kid's behaviors. If you can work with Chris' teachers to address not doing homework as a symptom of a problem rather than a problem in itself, you might be able to make some headway with them. You might also want to meet separately with Chris's teachers and work at establishing a cooperative relationship where you will work jointly with them on helping Chris. Sometimes I have had to explain to the teachers what an evening in our house was like with untreated OCD running the show. This helped them realize that focusing on homework/undone schoolwork was not the priority and getting OCD treated was. Just as parents must adjust their expectations when OCD is in sway, so must teachers. What we found that helped was to assure the teachers that we were working hard on helping Steve get the OCD under control and that when that happened the schoolwork problems would improve. Sometimes you just meet a teacher on burnout and then all your efforts may not be effective. Then you might want to make it very clear to them that you understand Chris' legal rights. This approach when done subtly can get even the most non-responsive administrators/educators to pay attention. My son's psychologist has told us horror stories of battles he has engaged in to get school accommodations for some of the kids he treats. I apologize in advance if what I have written offends those on the list who are in the teaching profession. So far we have mostly come in contact with very caring, committed teachers who want very much to help. Aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... TC wrote: Kathy, > >How lucky you are. Steve's teacher understands OCD? Otherwise, how can she >help? Chris's teachers do not understand and accuse not doing homeworks. > >TC > > > > >Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...> on 04/24/99 02:13:30 PM > >Please respond to onelist > > onelist >cc: (bcc: Tse Chao/JerseyCity/iNautix) > >Subject: Re: (no subject) > > > > >From: Kathy Hammes <kathyh@...> > >HI Theresa: > >Wow, Ellen did some excellent bossing back of her OCD to get to school >after worrying about the Columbine school massacre. Even my non-OCD >co-workers had a hard time settling down to work after watching the news on >this tragedy; it is hard to imagine how difficult this must be for our >OCDers, especially those with violent obsessions. > >Please keep us posted on how your 504 arrangements are going. My son just >went to his 504 meeting for the first time on Thursday and he handled very >well. It was hard for him but he is learning to participate in the >decisions about his treatment and school/mental health interventions. We >even had an offer from one of his 6th grade teachers to help us orient the >7th grade teachers in the Fall, and share with them techniques and >strategies she found to help Steve with his OCD in the classroom. > >Take care, aloha, Kathy (H) >kathyh@... > >At 09:39 AM 4/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >> Hi My name is Theresa and I have a fourteen year old daughter >>who has OCD. I've been reading the e-mails and have been thinking I've >>been there and I've done that. It's so gratifying to know that there are >>other parents who are going through the same emotions and heartaches that >>my family has experienced. I read the information on the 504 plan and >>immediately investigated. For years,I've struggled with the school system >>and no one has ever said you can do this. Thanks for the information. >>Yesterday was a real crises day. Ellen wouldn't go to school. She had >>decided for the past three days that she was sick and didn't feel well.She >>had been displaying quite a lot of her OCD symptoms,but I thought it was >>because of PACT testing. When I woke her up,she wanted me to take her to >>the doctor,but I told her she didn't have anything wrong with her. She >>finally admitted she was scared because of the Columbine school >>shootings.I knew I couldn't give in to this because if I did ,she would >>try every morning. After numerous telephone calls to the principal,the >>school psychologist,the guidance counselor,and Ellen's psychologist,she >>finally made it to school at 10. I realize this is probably a little >>long,but it's nice to be able to vent to people who actually know and >>understand what it's really like.We live in S.C. Thanks, >> Theresa > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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