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LOL I'd RATHER try the palm kernel oil, just don't know enough about steric

acid to know if it would be safe to use on the skin. If I find out, I'll

let you know.

Jodi

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According to my pal at Hobby Lobby, stearic acid is stearic acid and no

problem for using in soaps. She said this site has a dictionary of

ingredients and what they're safe to use in. Haven't personally had time to

search the whole site, so can't vouch for it, but she's the one who gave me

the addy. I'm going to remelt my soaps and add some stearic acid to see if

that will harden them enough to make them last longer. If anyone has a clue

as to the proportion of acid to wax, I'd appreciate knowing it. Thanks for

all the suggestions everyone has made.

Jodi

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Sorry I don't have any suggestions, but I just wanted to say Good Luck! I hope

you get the account!

Colleen

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Joe Murray wrote:

> ....but I'm trying to find molds

> that are " tennis " related.

, this is the only site I have found with tennis molds. They are candy

molds but you may be able to do something with them.

HTH,

-- Ehrhardt

Body & Soap

***coming soon***

www.bodyandsoap.com

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,

Have you tried going to eBay and Auctions and just searching for

" tennis soap mold " ? I know they have a TON of molds on there ...

nne

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, Melody of Rainbow meadow once told me to rinse them in rubbing alchohol. Seems to work really well.

Shaye

-----Original Message-----From: Joe Murray [mailto:jmurray2@...]Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 11:52 AM Subject: Need help

Hey, girls. Question time. When you use up an f/o that was in

a glass or plastic bottle, do you reuse the bottles for anything?

I like to keep them in case I want to do some mixing of f/o's to

come up with a "new scent" or something or to break a 16 oz

bottle down into (2) 8 oz bottles. The problem I'm having is

getting the previous scent of the f/o out of the bottle. I've tried

soaking them with dish soap in them and then running them

thru the dishwasher. It seems like when it first comes out of

the dishwasher, they're fine. But when I go to pull one off the

shelf later to use, I can smell the f/o again. Is there something

I can put in them to get the scent out? I hate to just throw them

away. That would be a waste.

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The problem I'm having is getting the previous scent of the f/o out of the

bottle.

:

I had the same thing happen. I found that the scent was embedded in the

plastic cap! I used to soak them overnight in a baking soda solution and

then wrap them in newspaper until needed. That worked pretty well but was

time consuming. I now have to keep everything as simple as possible so I

pitched the caps and bought some new ones. Most places that carry bottles

also carry caps. You may have to ask.

Lizz

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the liner and plastic in your caps is what "hold" your scent. If you wash both really well in hot soapy water and then soak the cap and liner in alcohol and store apart after drying

thoroughly you should find this helps immensely.

HTH

Deb

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Hi ,

I had tried emailing directly to your email address, but no luck.

Just wanted you to glance at this site and see if it'll help your

friend. So excuse me as I write this on the list.

http://www.ideallives.com/generic31.html or

http//www.ideallives.com/generic348.html

Hope something helps. Many hugs to you for being a true friend and

may y'all find a solution to help him as it sounds he is not doing it

deliberatly or maliciously, just an inability to communicate as a

mask of some underlying problem that is causing the pain. He is

expressing by acting out. It is a primitive form of communication. I

would suggest looking into the meds first and see what unusual

symptoms that might have led to the changes as the medication was

introduced. Many of us are not always informed of possible side

effects of new medication. Even though docs prescribe meds, the

pharmacist would be the best person to explain the side effects,

which may stir other issues. Well, this is just a possiblity. Many

hugs your way and to your friends.

Irma,13,DS/ASD

> I am writing on behalf of the mother of a 19 year old boy with down

> syndrome and

> possible autism. She is unable to write herself at this time

because his

> needs are so great.

> Recently he has begun having episodes of violent behavior which are

completely

> unpredictable and don't seem to be triggered by anything. For 15 or

20

> minutes he will

> lash out, throw things, destroy everything in his path. His father

died

> last summer, but we

> have no idea if his behavior is related to that loss.

>

> His mother feels there must be a biological source for these

episodes, but

> a cat scan has

> come out normal and recent surgery for sleep apnea has not improved

the

> situation. It takes

> two people to manage this young man. I offered to consult with other

> parents to see if

> anyone has had similar experiences and perhaps found an explanation

and a

> solution. He is

> on multiple medications, but it is not clear that they are helping.

>

> Please respond to me at mstaylor@z... Thanks you very much. We would

> appreciate any insight that could be provided.

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> > I am very new to all of this. I have read the body for life book,

> > and I not sure I am understanding it correctly. I am a stay at

home

> > mom, so I work out in the mid morning 9:30 to 10:00 start time.

Am I

> > support to not eat for 3 hours before and 1 hour after? That

means

> > that I would not eat anything until noon. Please help.

> >

> > Rose

>

> Welcome to the group, Rose!

> With Cardio days yes, that means you'd want to eat at 6:30, workout

at 9:30

> and then eat again an hour after you finish. This is how many of

my days

> work if I don't have enough coordination to workout when I get home

at 6am

> :) I just eat, go back to sleep for 3 hours, do cardio, wait an

hour, and

> eat meal #2. Is there anyway you could wake up earlier and do

cardio in the

> morning?

> With weights.. I believe that your muscles need the immediate fuel

so I don't

> worry about meals regarding my weights. I normally wait about an

hour after

> a meal to workout (since I feel good when I do it on a full

stomach) and then

> I normally eat about 30 minutes after I finish (i.e., time to

shower and get

> dressed and get my meal together)

> I hope this helps :)

> Serenity

> --

> http://www.theonion.com

Thanks it helps alot, I might be able to work out early on cardio

days.

Rose

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dragon_chin wrote:

> I am very new to all of this. I have read the body for life book,

> and I not sure I am understanding it correctly. I am a stay at home

> mom, so I work out in the mid morning 9:30 to 10:00 start time. Am I

> support to not eat for 3 hours before and 1 hour after? That means

> that I would not eat anything until noon. Please help.

>

> Rose

Welcome to the group, Rose!

With Cardio days yes, that means you'd want to eat at 6:30, workout at 9:30

and then eat again an hour after you finish. This is how many of my days

work if I don't have enough coordination to workout when I get home at 6am

:) I just eat, go back to sleep for 3 hours, do cardio, wait an hour, and

eat meal #2. Is there anyway you could wake up earlier and do cardio in the

morning?

With weights.. I believe that your muscles need the immediate fuel so I don't

worry about meals regarding my weights. I normally wait about an hour after

a meal to workout (since I feel good when I do it on a full stomach) and then

I normally eat about 30 minutes after I finish (i.e., time to shower and get

dressed and get my meal together)

I hope this helps :)

Serenity

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http://www.theonion.com

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Hi Rose,

Some folks get up very early to have their first meal and then go back to sleep

for the 3 hours ... but the way your schedule is now - you are right - you

wouldn't eat till 12 then.

Rita

Need help

I am very new to all of this. I have read the body for life book,

and I not sure I am understanding it correctly. I am a stay at home

mom, so I work out in the mid morning 9:30 to 10:00 start time. Am I

support to not eat for 3 hours before and 1 hour after? That means

that I would not eat anything until noon. Please help.

Rose

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Rose,

What time do you get up? If you can't work out until 9:30, try something like

this: eat meal 1 at 7:00am, meal 2 at 11:00am, meal 3 at 2:00pm, meal 4 at

4:30pm, meal 5 at 7:00pm, and meal 6 at 10:00pm. It is not as important to wait

the hour after weight training as it is after cardio for greatest fat burning.

Some ladies here also eat before weight training sessions too (often a protein

shake). Don't get too caught up in the timing thing - it's most important to

not miss a workout and make sure you get the 6 meals in every 2 1/2 - 3 1/2

hours while you're awake.

Park

C3W4D1

Need help

I am very new to all of this. I have read the body for life book,

and I not sure I am understanding it correctly. I am a stay at home

mom, so I work out in the mid morning 9:30 to 10:00 start time. Am I

support to not eat for 3 hours before and 1 hour after? That means

that I would not eat anything until noon. Please help.

Rose

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I work out right when I get up, and I'm glad that I do because I've

never understood exactly how you time your food and work outs

otherwise. I believe it is supposed to be not eat two hours before,

one hour after, but THAT gives you up to four hours (since weight

days take most of an hour).

Just remember this, those guides are hints for getting absolutely the

most out of the program. It is more important that you work out than

you worry about not having eaten, and waiting to eat.

Alys

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i am sending you 2 sites of the info you asked for

kathy

need help

Do y'all know of any websites or any quotes- where to get quotes from famous

people. I'm looking for any famous people who are hearing impaired or learning

disabled that have quotes about it or just something about it. Also quotes

about autism also. I was wondering if y'all could help me, cause I'm getting

frustrated.

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Everyone here in this group keeps

me motivated...and I really got

disgusted with my body & was

determined to finish no matter

what or how hard it got.

Sheryll

> Hello All,

> I am starting BFL today. I could use some help with

> accountability...anyone interested? How do you keep motivated?

> Thanks,

> jill

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JILL!!! I just now started week 3. I need someone to push me too! The first

week I did well but the weekends are a killer!

I have my sister who is on her 5th challenge here to motivate me. She has lost

over 50lbs. Went from a size 18 to a size 5.... argh! So when I look at her I

see myself HOPEFULLY!!! There is LOTS of support on this list. I try and make

a point to look at transformation pics EVERYDAY...so I can stay focused!!!

GOOD LUCK SWEETIE!!! AND EMAIL ME IF YOU NEED ANYTHING...

Holly

Hello All,

I am starting BFL today. I could use some help with

accountability...anyone interested? How do you keep motivated?

Thanks,

jill

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My

suggestion is to ask your doctor if a short run of an anti-anxiety medication

would be appropriate until enough time has passed that you can overcome the

anxiety.

Also, ask

the doctor if he/she knows of a support group, where you can talk out your

feelings. If not, we are here for

you.

I’m really

sorry to hear that you had such an unwarranted event happen to you.

I haven’t

heard of such a failure, but I don’t have experience with any devices other

than the ones that were implanted in my chest.

Maybe

others have heard of an event similar to yours.

Norm

-----Original

Message-----

From: Pagelblade@...

[mailto:Pagelblade@...]

Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 2:17

PM

Zaplist

Subject: Need help

I have been reading this site for several years but don't often

write. On

Monday my

defibrillator lead broke and I was shocked 12 times before they could

get it shut off.

They replaced the entire unit and sent me on my way the next

day. I am

really having a rough time getting over this. I'm not usually

emotional but

this is really getting to me. The whole episode scared my husband

so much that I

really hate to get him upset again by talking about it. I find

myself avoiding

the area of the house where the first shock happened. I have

talked to my

supervisor at work and get the impression that they are having

doubts about my

ability to continue working. (I have over 20 years with this

company)

If anyone has any tips on getting back on track I would really

appreciate the

advise.

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Personally, I am beginning to think they should just issue therapists

right along with the devices.

About your job situation, why do they think you can't work? It

wasn't your heart that had the problem. It's like telling someone

whose car breaks down that they can't work anymore. If your doctor

clears you, they should have no problems with it and if they do, I

suspect there is a government agency to turn to like the EEOC.

As for avoiding that part of the house . . . I'm not sure what to

say. I still get weird about showers although it is finally

subsiding a bit. I really recommend the Discover magazine article

about Fear that I posted a link to here before. I'm reposting the

beginning. You can read the whole thing at www.discover.com by

looking under recent issues and scrolling down.

Bridget

Here's the beginning of the article:

DISCOVER Vol. 24 No. 3 (March 2003)

Table of Contents

Learning Series: The Brain and Emotions - part 1

Fear

Recent research shows that when something bad happens to you, part of

your brain begins thinking independently, storing its own memories so

it can save you next time. That worked fine a million years ago

By

Photograph by Elinor Carucci

Graphics by Don Foley

You are driving at night down a quiet suburban street, listening to

Van on's ''Brown Eyed Girl'' on the stereo. As you cross an

intersection, your peripheral vision picks up the flash of headlights

descending on the right side of the car. In the split second before

you hear the sound of metal grinding into metal, your body tenses,

blood flows to your extremities, adrenaline surges, and time slows

down. At impact you find yourself noticing surreal details—the bright

orange jacket of a startled pedestrian, the low-hung branches of a

dogwood tree at the side of the road. After a split second that seems

like 10 minutes, your car lurches to a halt against the curb.

The physical event of one car colliding with another has run its

course, but its emotional impact continues. The adrenaline and other

stress hormones released in your body have brought you to a state of

almost superhuman alertness; you feel more awake than you've felt in

your entire life. You can review the details of the crash as though

you were replaying a DVD of the event, all the details immaculately

preserved. For weeks, as memory fades, details continue to haunt you.

Driving through an intersection causes you to flinch, anticipating

another crash; the flash of headlights makes your gut tighten. For

months, driving at night seems far more dangerous than driving during

the day. Even a year later, the sight of drooping dogwood flowers

triggers a sense of dread. Hearing ''Brown Eyed Girl'' brings the

whole sequence back to consciousness with astonishing clarity.

Anyone who has been through a traumatic event will recognize this

scenario immediately— the sudden physical response of fear and its

often debilitating persistence in memory. The feeling of fear, like

all emotions, is something that happens to the body and the mind. Few

memories are as easily triggered and as hard to shake as those in

which we are confronted with an immediate threat. For people who have

undergone serious trauma, including war veterans and rape survivors,

memories of fear can sometimes play a dominant role in shaping

personality, a condition we now call post-traumatic stress disorder.

> I have been reading this site for several years but don't often

write. On

> Monday my defibrillator lead broke and I was shocked 12 times

before they could

> get it shut off. They replaced the entire unit and sent me on my

way the next

> day. I am really having a rough time getting over this. I'm not

usually

> emotional but this is really getting to me. The whole episode

scared my husband

> so much that I really hate to get him upset again by talking about

it. I find

> myself avoiding the area of the house where the first shock

happened. I have

> talked to my supervisor at work and get the impression that they

are having

> doubts about my ability to continue working. (I have over 20 years

with this

> company) If anyone has any tips on getting back on track I would

really

> appreciate the advise.

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All I can say is that it takes time - for some people alot of time. For my first shocks I followed them with 4 months of group therapy. I never went on any anti-anxiety drugs, but everyone else I've talked to swears by it. It has helped me to talk about it - which is why this group is so fantastic. I'd recommend talking to your doctor about an anti-axiety medication, I bet it would help you alot.

Good luck, keep posting!

Need help

I have been reading this site for several years but don't often write. On Monday my defibrillator lead broke and I was shocked 12 times before they could get it shut off. They replaced the entire unit and sent me on my way the next day. I am really having a rough time getting over this. I'm not usually emotional but this is really getting to me. The whole episode scared my husband so much that I really hate to get him upset again by talking about it. I find myself avoiding the area of the house where the first shock happened. I have talked to my supervisor at work and get the impression that they are having doubts about my ability to continue working. (I have over 20 years with this company) If anyone has any tips on getting back on track I would really appreciate the advise. Please visit the Zapper homepage athttp://www.ZapLife.org

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Hello Page:

Since I never welcomed you to the group when you came in here is a Biiig welcome to the Family. I feel for you. I felt exactly the same, the last time i had a therapy which was 14 times because i was living about twenty minutes away from everywhere so my experince caused (My therapist said) a major post traumatic syndrome. I was on zoloft(an anti depressant) for abut 3 or four months i think, then I stopped taking it on my own because i didn't like the way it felt, but i still keep my clonazepam which is a non addictive(for me that is) anti-anxiety medication. I would strongly recommend that you ask around and find a therapist who specialize on post traumatic syndrome(I think we all qualify for that) then get some therapy. Believe me it helps and meds are a heaven sent. Good luck to you and remember we're here whenever you need us. Love TURK

Need help

I have been reading this site for several years but don't often write. On Monday my defibrillator lead broke and I was shocked 12 times before they could get it shut off. They replaced the entire unit and sent me on my way the next day. I am really having a rough time getting over this. I'm not usually emotional but this is really getting to me. The whole episode scared my husband so much that I really hate to get him upset again by talking about it. I find myself avoiding the area of the house where the first shock happened. I have talked to my supervisor at work and get the impression that they are having doubts about my ability to continue working. (I have over 20 years with this company) If anyone has any tips on getting back on track I would really appreciate the advise. Please visit the Zapper homepage athttp://www.ZapLife.org

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Thanks for your answer. It has been a few days and I am feeling somewhat

better. I did call my Dr. and get something for anxiety. Only problem with

this

is it makes me sleep all day. I guess you can't be anxious when your

sleeping! I start back to work tomorrow so I will see how they respond to me.

I

don't work in the office but rather out of my home and spend most of the time on

the road. This may be the issue they have with me because I drive a company

owned vehicle. I am sure this has made them wonder about the liability

involved. I guess an early retirement would not be the worst thing that could

happen

to me. I do have a small business that I run on the side and would be able

to devote more time to it if this happens. Thanks again for your response.

Margaret

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Hello Margaret:

As far as medication making you sleep all day i have a comment. Everyone's body is different, so you have to experiment on how much to take. My doctor recommended i take clonazepam three times a day and i am only taking it whenever i get anxious and i only take about a third of a pill which is just enough for me to totally relax. So good luck to you with the meds and the job tomorrow. TURK

Re: Re: Need help

Thanks for your answer. It has been a few days and I am feeling somewhat better. I did call my Dr. and get something for anxiety. Only problem with this is it makes me sleep all day. I guess you can't be anxious when your sleeping! I start back to work tomorrow so I will see how they respond to me. I don't work in the office but rather out of my home and spend most of the time on the road. This may be the issue they have with me because I drive a company owned vehicle. I am sure this has made them wonder about the liability involved. I guess an early retirement would not be the worst thing that could happen to me. I do have a small business that I run on the side and would be able to devote more time to it if this happens. Thanks again for your response.MargaretPlease visit the Zapper homepage athttp://www.ZapLife.org

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