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May 19, 2000

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July 1, 2000

HI Gail, in N'Awlins!

First thing that comes to mind is raging hormones!! I wonder if is

testing her independance and how much control she has on others? Do you

think that has picked her father to argue with because she knows he

will react? Maybe he can try NOT engaging? You and Danny are much more

layed back... not as much fun?

As far as the meds not working, could be!! Ziv was on 80mg prozac before

switching to zoloft.

If I was you, I would mention to Dad that he's being set up and failing

miserably! Set some boundaries around appropriate language and actions,

including the consequences (eat seperatly from everyone else, time out, ...)

I'm sure you have tried to discuss with her what she thinks is going on!

Adi was being sooo nasty to Yigal for awhile. I would tell her to stop, but

she kept it up. I started to consequence her for every nasty comment or

action she did to her dad, she stopped!

I hope this helps. Enjoy the holiday weekend. Its Canada Day today, but

we're taking Monday off too in sympathy!

hugs, wendy in canada wb4@...

ps. you didnt tell me that you get mardi gras beads when you 'flash', we'll

discuss this in chicago!

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July 1, 2000

Raging hormones may be it. One psychiatrist told me that OCD peaks

in girls when they are 14. Who knows! Take care and hang in there,

Stephany

July 1, 2000

Gail:

Could be hormones, could be poop out, could be GOK (God only knows in ER

parlance). Aiden was on 60 mg of Prozac for about 2 years, and we finally had

to switch him to Celexa this spring as it didn't seem to be having any effect

any longer. He also takes Risperdal which seems to keep his mood more even.

Let me tell you though, the tapering off Prozac and up on Celexa was AWFUL!!! I

thought I would lose my mind. I can't imagine what life would be like for this

child without medication. He was SO depressed and SO obsessed. Fortunately,

after a VERY long month, the Celexa took over and has been working beautifully.

You might want to see if adding a small dose of something else would enhance the

Prozac's effect. We're all rooting for you and .

Jule

July 1, 2000

Hi Gail,

Our older son, Louis, experienced similar symptoms during his second year of taking Prozac. His doctor agreed to start prescribing Zoloft and it has been effective for about four years now. We still experience occassional periods of increased symptoms however and over time his depression worsened requiring augmentation with Wellbutrin and now Depakote. I think it is wise to consult with 's doctor soon.

Take care.

Louis

harkins@...

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Dear All, We are in the midst of a crisis with . She is having more trouble with her OCD issues. In addition, she gets angry and judgemental so easily. She is attending a new creative arts camp where the kids are given more freedom within a structure and seems to enjoy it. She IS a lot more tired, but somehow I don't think that is it. In 2 weeks she leaves to go to the same sleep-away camp as last year. She has not appeared to be bothered by this separation, so I doubt that she is reacting to that. My husband is frustrated and angry at her for her rages and he then yells and vents at me about her. I informed both of them today that they need to address their anger and frustration about ecah other to each other and not to me as I now have tremendous headaches from all this. I am very concerned about whether her meds have stopped working. She takes 60 mg of Prozac daily. I do plan to call her p-dr after the long holiday weekend. However, I also need help as I am getting more and more discouraged and resentful. Any advice, my friends, would be welcomed!Gail in N'AwlinsYou may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. The Archives, Files, and Features List for the may be accessed by going to , enter your email address and password, then point and click. Subscription issues, problems, or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at harkins@... .

July 2, 2000

HI Gail:

I think you are very wise to be considering Prozac poop-out. We just went

through Paxil poop-out with Steve and it took me quite a long time to

figure this out. Finally I realized that for Steve, MDD is the bigger

challenge than OCD right now. The irritability and frustration and ready

anger were hallmark symptoms of his increasing depression.

At first I thought OCD was waxing, then I thought teen angst, then I

figured out the poop-out. I had started to expect Steve to notice his

inceasing depression but this one he did not notice. He was quite relieved

when I finally managed to figure out the poop-out. The more tired problem

is often due to sleep disturbance which can be MDD/dysthymia or OCD.

BTW, Steve has switched to Luvox from Paxil and it has been amazingly

smooth, much, much better than his experience starting out on Paxil. I'm

not sure how the Luvox is really working. Steve has told me it is really

helping but he is not at home right now so I long to see for myself.

I can really relate to your husband as I was also getting pretty irritable

and upset about Steve's behavior. Effexor is really helping me stay calmer

and this might be something for your husband to consider.

It sounds like it is time to schedule a quick visit to 's

psychiatrist. Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 03:12 PM 07/01/2000 EDT, you wrote:

>Dear All,

> We are in the midst of a crisis with . She is having more trouble

>with her OCD issues. In addition, she gets angry and judgemental so

easily.

>She is attending a new creative arts camp where the kids are given more

>freedom within a structure and seems to enjoy it. She IS a lot more tired,

>but somehow I don't think that is it. In 2 weeks she leaves to go to the

>same sleep-away camp as last year. She has not appeared to be bothered by

>this separation, so I doubt that she is reacting to that.

> My husband is frustrated and angry at her for her rages and he then

yells

>and vents at me about her. I informed both of them today that they need to

>address their anger and frustration about ecah other to each other and not

to

>me as I now have tremendous headaches from all this.

> I am very concerned about whether her meds have stopped working. She

>takes 60 mg of Prozac daily. I do plan to call her p-dr after the long

>holiday weekend. However, I also need help as I am getting more and more

>discouraged and resentful. Any advice, my friends, would be welcomed!

>

>Gail in N'Awlins

>

July 2, 2000

Hi Gail,

I don't have any answers, just sympathy/empathy. A good friend of mine is

struggling with her 14 yr old daughter's " teen spirit " and it is not fun. I

know how OCD on top of it makes it harder for everyone.

Yesterday my friend and I went to a river festival and we saw a family walking

in with their 3 kids. The guy at the gate was trying to guess the older girls

age " 11? 12? 13? My friend turned around and said " She can't be 13 because then

she'd be walking 10 paces behind you, embarrassed to be seen with you and

criticizing what you're wearing " . The mom laughed and asked if she had a

teenager. My friend said " yes, and if you think what I'm

wearing is stupid when I open my mouth to speak you'll just wanna die! " . We all

had a good laugh, but there's pain in them thar words!

The book " Get Out of My Life, But First Can You Drive Me and Cheryl to the Mall "

is helpful to me in terms of setting limits but not getting too engaged in Ava's

rude teen- like behavior. Maybe your husband would like to read a bit of it so

he doesn't get sucked into 's anger and escalate with her.

Dana in NC

March 6, 2001

Kathy, when I use to rebatch, I never never got anythng pourable only

glopable. Spoon it in the mold and smak on counter to get out air and get

into the mold, spoon more to fill smak more. I think its pretty normal. I

use to say each batch of soap had its own personality and it sure seemed

like it. I think your doing fine. The learning is in the doing.

Shaye

The Soap Shack

www.mysoapshack.com

Need help

Ok, for the first time I decided to follow a receipe for soapmaking instead

of adding what ever I had available, and I am still having problems.

Here

is the receipe

12oz coconut

12 oz. olive oil

19 oz crisco

I always rebatch because I want just small amts of a fragrance, and when I

tried to remelt, all I got was this big gel ball. I have heard others say

they have to glop their soap into the molds, but is that the way it is

suppose to be? I have made soap that has been real creamy and easy to

pour

into molds, but most of those just had crisco and palm in them. Everytime I

try and use other oils, this is what I get. Can someone tell me what it

really should look like when you remelt. Thanks. Kathy

March 6, 2001

I find the consistency of rebatch and CPHP to be the same on pouring-I am

belting the heck out of my wooden kitchen table by pounding my molds down to

settle the glop!! I finally got a Champaign bubble stage in my CPHP

Terri! I am finding a lot of soapers use different methods on this-mine went

solid on me before getting hot enough to boil in but never did the bubbly

thin but looked the same upon the tounge test stage-no bite.

DEb

Need help

> Ok, for the first time I decided to follow a receipe for soapmaking

instead

> of adding what ever I had available, and I am still having problems.

Here

> is the receipe

> 12oz coconut

> 12 oz. olive oil

> 19 oz crisco

> I always rebatch because I want just small amts of a fragrance, and when I

> tried to remelt, all I got was this big gel ball. I have heard others say

> they have to glop their soap into the molds, but is that the way it is

> suppose to be? I have made soap that has been real creamy and easy to

pour

> into molds, but most of those just had crisco and palm in them. Everytime

I

> try and use other oils, this is what I get. Can someone tell me what it

> really should look like when you remelt. Thanks. Kathy

>

April 4, 2001

Well you can get 50 lbs. of sea salts for $23.95. Snowdrift Farms

has them, beautiful white. They are in Arizona. From Nature with Love

has them too, they are in New York. But theirs are off white/light brown.

For aesthetic reasons, I prefer Snowdrift Farms' salts. Trina and Bill

are quite knowledgable and nice (Trina has a nice sense of humor) too.

Plus the dendritic (fine) salts that you can disperse oils and fragrance

in, to mix with the sea salts. I think 5 lbs. was some ridiculously low

price. I seem to recall paying definitely less than $50 for the salts

and the shipping to land!

Khadiyja Y. Ali

Shades of the Nubian

www.shadesofthenubian.com

Featuring Shea Butter Bath & Body Essentials

(888) 43-NUBIAN

Take time out to enjoy the experience!

need help

Hello Everyone:

I am starting to dabble in making my own hand and body lotions and

bath salts. I agree with the other lady that if you want a all

natural product than why are we putting all these ingredients in

them, but on the other hand the other lady was right in saying at

least then we control what goes in them. if someone could get me

started in making a basic bath salts and all over body lotion I would

appreciate it. From what I have read so far there are a lot of things

I need to buy. I am on kinda of fix income can someone give me the

basic things I need to buy to get me started?Any help would be

appreciated.

TAKE CARE

JOANNE

" " WORK AT HOME " "

http://teamideals.com/leaders.cgi/joanne

April 8, 2001

I am new at this site and hope I'm doing the right procedure. I use two

sources for lotion base, Soap Wizards and Bitter Creek. The second is

cheaper, just as " natural " and the company is much nicer. I get salts from

From Nature With Love but am going to try the Arizona Comapany mentioned.

Depending on your oils added to the lotion, I was told that they themselves

will help preserve (Tea Tree, Vit. E for example). The salts I just add EOs

of choice. Hope this helps and feel free to reply if I can help further.

need help

> Hello Everyone:

>

> I am starting to dabble in making my own hand and body lotions and

> bath salts. I agree with the other lady that if you want a all

> natural product than why are we putting all these ingredients in

> them, but on the other hand the other lady was right in saying at

> least then we control what goes in them. if someone could get me

> started in making a basic bath salts and all over body lotion I would

> appreciate it. From what I have read so far there are a lot of things

> I need to buy. I am on kinda of fix income can someone give me the

> basic things I need to buy to get me started?Any help would be

> appreciated.

>

> TAKE CARE

> JOANNE

>

> " " WORK AT HOME " "

> http://teamideals.com/leaders.cgi/joanne

>

April 8, 2001

Do you have the url for Bitter Creek?

Thanks,

Janet

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