Re: Naturally Thin

October 25, 2004

Good morning ladies {and any men lurkers...LOL} I'm coming late to this

conversation. The book, Naturally Thin, does sound like it has some OK ideas in

it. Now, I can tell you this, it's NOT for me. I refuse to be one of those

people who get all upset and think everyone should follow MY WAY! I know people

like this and I just wanna ring their necks sometimes...LOL I've been eating

high protein for more years than I'll ever admit to I don't follow Adkins

as a rule, but some of his ideas are ones I've used all this time. I started

with Stillmans, that I think came out right around, I think just before,

Adkins, back in the 70's. It works for me. I did try the low fat for a time

and

all I did was gain weight. {I did enjoy those taters tho...LOL} I believe in

the, eat till your satisfied, and have never counted carbs or calories. I

look at the carbs, but pay more attention to the protein, it's what burns fat.

I know this works for me, and it may not work for everyone, correction, it

WON'T work for everyone. I've done it so long that when I do eat something with

flour and/or sugar, I spend a lot of time in the bathroom. I'm also not one

who has to have all these variety of foods like so many. I try to stick to the

basics and know that I can allow myself to add a little more here and there,

if I want. Does any of this even pertain to what you're talking about? LOL

I did perk up when she said she spent 2 months on Adkins and didn't lose

weight, only replaced fat for muscle....DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Muscle weighs more,

but

takes up LESS space so to speak...LOL Doesn't sound like she wants to admit

she lost inches or that the eating plan worked for her. But then, if she did

that, she couldn't sell her books, huh? I think I may be rambling. I need to

go get ready to go to the soup kitchen...

Kiki

October 25, 2004

Bonnie, have you ever just melted your cheese in a pan or in the microwave to

make it into 'chips'? It's YUMMY! It takes about 2 to 3 minutes if you nuke

it. I actually like it better than having chips, no bloating and sick

feelings, and it comes out crunchy. I've used, string, mozzarella, pepper jack,

then use with salsa or whatever. Any cheese can be used. I've never heard of

the frying cheese you mentioned, but sounds like a new marketing strategy to me

to up the price...

Love ya,

Kiki

October 25, 2004

Bonnie,

If you're that hungry when you get home, you should be having a snack or 2

during the day. What do you eat for breakfast, lunch and snack? Eat several

small 'meals' during the day and maybe that will help. Try beef jerky,

individual SF jello pots, string cheese. There's more that I can't think of

right

now.

Love ya,

Kiki

October 25, 2004

Jenni, good idea too. Food prep, I've heard is the way to go...LOL Sure

wish I could do that, every time I get hungry and want to eat, I always wish I

had it all made...LOL I guess I have no problem pushing away a plate, and

putting it in the fridge. Not saying I can't pig out big time, just doesn't

happen

very often at all. I get to sick when I do that.

Bonnie, have you just tried putting a smaller portion on your plate? Try to

fool yourself into knowing you cleaned your plate, if that's the problem? You

probably have, but I'm just trying to come up with something too, that may

help.

Love ya,

Kiki

October 25, 2004

All you do is cut it into pieces. I usually cut the string cheese into 4 to

8 pieces. Put them on a MWable dish and nuke. It all depends on how crisp

you want it. You can do it less time and have your soft center. If it's not as

done as I want it, I'll nuke it a few more seconds till it gets there. On

the others, I cut a slice, maybe about 1/4 to 1/2 inch thick {?} put the chucks

on the plate and do the same thing. Some people just buy the already chunked

ones and do it that way. I get mine at Sams in the bulk chucks, then slice.

Much cheaper than a grocery store.

Also, have you made pepperoni chips? YUMMMY, with pizza sauce and cheese

melted on them. Put the ronies on some layers of paper towels and nuke. You

can

make them as crisp or not as you like, add the toppings, nuke again, and it's

like pizza topping...

Love ya,

Kiki

October 25, 2004

Bonnie,

Your menu sounds just fine! A thought, what about upping your fat intake? I

know this works for so many when they do it. How about moving? What do you

do? Upping that may help get you start to lose and firm...

Kiki

October 25, 2004

Connie,

While I will not disagree on you with asking GOD for help in this matter,

what I have a problem with is waiting till your that hungry! That's when people

will eat WAY more than they should or even want. We get so hungry that we

tend to shovel it in and don't realize that we were full many, many mouthfulls

ago. IMO, when you start thinking you're hungry, drink a glass of water and

wait that 10 minutes. Water does fill you up and make you see that it wasn't

hunger.

Kiki

October 25, 2004

Connie,

My eating probably isn't the best...LOL I tend to NOT eat, something I fight

every day, not to go back to old habits. I try to stick with protein and do

add in veggies when I remember. Cauli with some sour cream and maybe some

cheese, green beans, broc. {these are the ones I eat mostly} Stay away form

the

yellow ones...corn {I love corn but it's HIGH in carbs and natural sugar},

carrots, same thing, etc.

I may have 3 scrambled eggs and add broc. or bacon, or both with cheese

melted in.

I try to always have chicken cooked up and will warm a piece and have it with

ranch. Sometimes I'll melt a piece of cheese on it too.

I'll cook up a batch of taco meat and make it like taco guts, with no shell.

There is a shell on the market that I've used for years, cuz it's think like

I like them. I had no idea they were LC...LOL I'm drawing a blank on the

brand tho.

Hamburger patties with NO ketchup, since it's full sugar. OK, by me I LOVE

cheap yellow mustard.

They have LC tortillas now that are not bad at all. So you can wrap a hotdog

{ALL BEEF} in that if you don't want it plain. I'll also cut hotdogs in

half, fry them in a pan and make a couple soft in the middle eggs for dunking

purposes.

Turkey from the deli is good. Get lettuce, not iceburg, and use that as your

bread. Put mayo on it, cheese, and tomato if you want. I use it as a

'shell' for tacos too. I can make them up, put them in my bag or take on a

picnic

and I have a tummy snack too.

Make fratattas {sp} Those are really good. Put some salsa on your omelets,

sour cream too if you want.

That's all I can think of right now, but I'm sure there are other things and

I'll let you know. I'm doing good to eat 2 kinda meals a day. I just try to

make it as high in protein as I can. Usually a high protein selection will be

pretty low carb. Also, I don't use the store bought low carb stuff. Most of

it isn't! I did buy some of the Doretos chips and they were good. TO GOOD,

I ate 1 and a 1/2 bags in a weekend. No more of that! I'll take the cheese

chips. KISS Keep it simple sweetie, a good thing to go by.

XOXO

Kiki

October 25, 2004

Connie,

I understand the night time, bordom eating! That'swhen I get out the cheese

and or ronies. They really take care of that need and I am satisfied much

faster.

Just thought of something else you may want to try. Faux tatoes and

caulisaold. O steam cauli till it's kinda mushy and them smash it up like you

would

for mashed patatoes, that's another yummy! Or cut it up and add the ingre for

potato salad. In all honesty, I like it better. Have no full, bloaty, hevy

feeling what so ever...

XOXO

Kiki

October 25, 2004

Connie,

I'm getting ready to leave for the soup kitchen, but when I get home I'll

send some recipes. A fratata {still don't know how to spell it...LOL} It's egg

and a few other ingre. It's thin and you cook it in the oven. I'll be

thinking of some other things tol, I hope...LOL Please be aware that I am NOT

trying to force this down your throat, but make a suggestion of how to maybe get

you kick started.

See y'all this evening. Now don't go getting into trouble while I'm gone!

That's mY job...LOL

XOXOXO

Kiki

October 25, 2004

Hi Bonnie,

I read that book many years ago. She does have some good points...i.e. eating

until your satisfied...I've gotten away from that. But I think part of that,

for me anyway, was that you never left anything on your plate. I remember being

punished as a child for doing that, and I think those old habits die hard....you

know? I never had a weight problem until I turned 40. I started gaining on a

regular basis, but rather than cut back on anything, I just ignored it. Almost

40 pounds later I'm regretting not listening to my body.

I've slowly gone to the " whole food " diet. I like the way I feel. I haven't

lost any weight per se, but I do like the energy. I simply don't eat processed

foods, with the exception of things like may, mustard, ketchup, salad

dressing...things like that.

with love,

Jenni

Proud Air Force Mom!

May God guide and protect our troops!

Naturally Thin

Over the weekend I read the book " Naturally Thin " . I think the one I read is

the author's first one (published in 1989), the second book hasn't arrived yet.

Some comments:

1. " Eating until you're satisfied, but not overstuffed " -- seems like a very

good general idea. I have been working to gain that ability (I tend to get very

hungry, then eat more than I need to and end up feeling stuffed) -- when I was

young (before the age of 30), I would get hungry, have something that I really

wanted to eat (like a hamburger), then eat until I reached a certain point --

and not touch another bite. Now, I'm trying to listen better to my body, and

stop when I'm full -- apparently I no longer have that " instant messenger " that

I once did.

2. " Various stages of eating/weight getting out of whack " -- I never thought

about it in this way, but I sure do fit one of the scenarios. I never had a

weight problem until at the age of 26 and my first pregnancy. My weight gain

during the pregnancy was if anything slightly low -- I didn't even look pregnant

for the first 8 months -- but in the ninth month I gained about 20 pounds in one

week. The doctor went berserk, you'd think that I had deliberately sat down and

non-stop gorged on junk food (I hadn't) -- anyway, he prescribed amphetamines

(this was back in 1970) and diuretics. The weight came off, but I " watched " it

from that time on.....

3. It sounds to me that the " correct diet " that she's pushing is essentially

a low fat/low sugar diet -- sort of standard (however, the real foods,

borderline foods, and non-foods lists were torn out of my book copy!) -- with

the only twist that you can eat as much as you want. She keeps the cookies,

chips, and other junk foods out her house -- and I bet she also keeps the cream,

butter, and mayo out too.

4. There were only anecdotal results (hers, her cat, and 5 others) -- no

scientific studies or reasons.

5. She's quite negative to Atkins -- she didn't lose any weight in a 2-month

(I think) period, only switched fat for muscle -- yet she says that her way of

eating might not show positive results for well over a year. Hardly seems like

she gave the low-carb a good chance.

Over all, I found some interesting insights, but I'm not sold. I'm not

changing my way of eating (essentially low/good carb) with some fats (butter,

coconut oil, cheese, and half-and-half). I don't see the justification for doing

so at this point. I will read the second book when it comes, perhaps there is

more information in it....

Looking for comments....

Bonnie

October 25, 2004

But Jenni, what about the COOKIES??????? LOL ~ Connie

Re: Naturally Thin

Hi Bonnie,

I read that book many years ago. She does have some good points...i.e.

eating until your satisfied...I've gotten away from that. But I think

part of that, for me anyway, was that you never left anything on your

plate. I remember being punished as a child for doing that, and I think

those old habits die hard....you know? I never had a weight problem

until I turned 40. I started gaining on a regular basis, but rather

than cut back on anything, I just ignored it. Almost 40 pounds later

I'm regretting not listening to my body.

I've slowly gone to the " whole food " diet. I like the way I feel. I

haven't lost any weight per se, but I do like the energy. I simply

don't eat processed foods, with the exception of things like may,

mustard, ketchup, salad dressing...things like that.

with love,

Jenni

Proud Air Force Mom!

May God guide and protect our troops!

Naturally Thin

Over the weekend I read the book " Naturally Thin " . I think the one I

read is the author's first one (published in 1989), the second book

hasn't arrived yet.

Some comments:

1. " Eating until you're satisfied, but not overstuffed " -- seems like

a very good general idea. I have been working to gain that ability (I

tend to get very hungry, then eat more than I need to and end up feeling

stuffed) -- when I was young (before the age of 30), I would get hungry,

have something that I really wanted to eat (like a hamburger), then eat

until I reached a certain point -- and not touch another bite. Now, I'm

trying to listen better to my body, and stop when I'm full -- apparently

I no longer have that " instant messenger " that I once did.

2. " Various stages of eating/weight getting out of whack " -- I never

thought about it in this way, but I sure do fit one of the scenarios. I

never had a weight problem until at the age of 26 and my first

pregnancy. My weight gain during the pregnancy was if anything slightly

low -- I didn't even look pregnant for the first 8 months -- but in the

ninth month I gained about 20 pounds in one week. The doctor went

berserk, you'd think that I had deliberately sat down and non-stop

gorged on junk food (I hadn't) -- anyway, he prescribed amphetamines

(this was back in 1970) and diuretics. The weight came off, but I

" watched " it from that time on.....

3. It sounds to me that the " correct diet " that she's pushing is

essentially a low fat/low sugar diet -- sort of standard (however, the

real foods, borderline foods, and non-foods lists were torn out of my

book copy!) -- with the only twist that you can eat as much as you want.

She keeps the cookies, chips, and other junk foods out her house -- and

I bet she also keeps the cream, butter, and mayo out too.

4. There were only anecdotal results (hers, her cat, and 5 others) --

no scientific studies or reasons.

5. She's quite negative to Atkins -- she didn't lose any weight in a

2-month (I think) period, only switched fat for muscle -- yet she says

that her way of eating might not show positive results for well over a

year. Hardly seems like she gave the low-carb a good chance.

Over all, I found some interesting insights, but I'm not sold. I'm not

changing my way of eating (essentially low/good carb) with some fats

(butter, coconut oil, cheese, and half-and-half). I don't see the

justification for doing so at this point. I will read the second book

when it comes, perhaps there is more information in it....

Looking for comments....

Bonnie

October 25, 2004

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I forgot about Cookies! Hmmmmmmmm Chocolate

Chip, Peanut Butter, Sugar, Macadamia nut, Oatmeal peanut butter,

Oreos..........um Connie did I forget any? Now, you have to remember I didn't

say " complete food " I said " whole food " tee hee