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Hi Guys,

I attended such a course at the North Staffs Royal

Infirmary almost two years ago, certification runs out in April of this

year, the biggest majority of people on the course were non doctors,

however I have now informed that I cannot go back to refresh.

regards

Neil

" Rod Eglin " <rod.eglin@...>

19/02/2004 13:17

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Hi Gerry

Is the Combat Casualty Care course the same sort of thing as

BATLS/BARTS(decompressing, chest drains and surgical airways etc) or is it

specific to the US military?

Cheers

Rod

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I should point out for those who are outside the US- just about the only

things in the ATLS course that are not taught elsewhere are chest drains and

venous cutdowns (they might go over fasciotomy/escharotomy, though I'm not

sure)

Surgical airways, needle decompression, interosseous--these things are

paramedic skills in most places, and some states include central lines

(internal jug, subclavian, femoral). When I was certified as a medic in

Arizona, it was mandatory to attend an airway lab every 2 years, which

covered surgical airways, as well as other interesting methods

(trans-tracheal retrograde wireguided intubation, anyone?). These courses,

though not easy to find, are usually MUCH more open to non-physicians than

the ATLS class. If you are interested in getting hands on practice and have

a hard time finding a local course, it may pay to look around in the states

for courses. Look on the net for " Airway Lab " or " Cardiovascular Lab " .

Good training can be found at the annual BTLS on the River, which is a

conference in Laughlin Nevada (not far from Las Vegas) which I hear is

pretty wild (in both the training sense and the drunken medics sense). This

is not an advanced airway lab, but is supposed to be very good. Even though

I no longer live in the US, and my family is located in New Mexico, I'll

take Arizona as a place for CE and training any day- the flights from the UK

on BA are cheap in the winter, and it's big business, with something like

4,000 paramedics in the state who need an outrageous amount of CE to stay

certified, so there is always stuff going on. I know of one doctor from

the UK who did all her ACLS/PALS classes in Flagstaff.

For those interested here is the announcement from www.azcep.org

ATTENTION

4th Annual BTLS on the Beach 2004

April 13-15, 2004

Come and enjoy a few days on the beach in Rocky Point, Mexico and earn your

BTLS certification at the same time! See attached link for a registration

form.

BTLS on the River 2004 is coming!

Join us September 20-22, 2004 at the Riverside Resort Hotel & Casino. Mark

your calendars now for this great trauma assessment course for EMS and ER

personnel!

Pricing

Option I BTLS Provider Course with rooms: $285 AND with Pediatric

BTLS, $425

Option II BTLS Provider Course without rooms: $225 AND with Pediatric

BTLS, $375

Option III Pediatric BTLS, $175

For more information, please contact at azacep@... or at

602-336-4599.

ATLS/Gerry

Hi Gerry

Is the Combat Casualty Care course the same sort of thing as

BATLS/BARTS(decompressing, chest drains and surgical airways etc) or is it

specific to the US military?

Cheers

Rod

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Combat Casualty Care is based around the NATO Emergency War Surgery handbook

and covers the whole spectrum of care of the combat casualty, I have two

quals CCC for Nurses and CCC for Independent Duty Medical Corpsmen taken

through the US Navy.

BATLS is almost ATLS and is for Docs (Officers) and BARTS the equivalent is

for soldiers etc I thought you had that one Rod, aren't you a CMT1 I know

Millward was, not sure about Warwick but he is into intubation

etc so possibly is BATLS.

There was a chap in the RN who told me about BATLS/BARTS originally who had

already done the course and sent me his notes, three years ago I think on

ECO or Remote.

By the way please acknowledge that you get this I am missing out somewhere

getting only dribs and drabs.

Carpenter

ATLS/Gerry

>Hi Gerry

>

>Is the Combat Casualty Care course the same sort of thing as

>BATLS/BARTS(decompressing, chest drains and surgical airways etc) or is it

>specific to the US military?

>

>Cheers

>

>Rod

>

>

>

>Member Information:

>

>List owner: Ian Sharpe Owner@...

>Editor: Ross Boardman Editor@...

>

>ALL list admin messages (subscriptions & unsubscriptions) should be sent to

the list owner.

>

>Post message: egroups

>

>Please visit our website http://www.remotemedics.co.uk

>

>Regards

>

>The Remote Medics Team

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Re: ATLS/Gerry

> " BATLS is almost ATLS "

No, , It IS ATLS. Thats why you get the qualification in civvie street

from it without doing anything else apart from asking for it.

" and is for Docs (Officers) and BARTS the equivalent is

> for soldiers etc I thought you had that one Rod "

I have that's why I said it in my mail to the list that you must have read

to answer it.

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