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> coming up with the finished fragrances has been more

> difficult than I envisioned, #1 because I've set my

> standards high,

Kathy,

First of all - welcome to this wonderful forum (I have been away when

you have introduced yourself, and Anya and I had just a conversation

this morning on the phone; I mentioned distilling local plants and she

told me about you!).

As for the high standards challenge - it's a good one to always have,

so don't give up!

Take your time; Perfumes need time - both physically and mentally to

develop. You will never regret waiting until you get the right thing,

as opposed to trying to sell the first thing that you blend...

And of course - the perfumes themselves need the time to mature and

evolve...

This a challenge in our profession - responding quickly to trends but

also maintining a high quality of the final product. Remember that the

good things stay around for a long time - so it's worth the investments...

and #2 because it is more difficult than it

> seems to make something other than a simple 3-5 note EO

> fragrance.

I am sure we can be of help - you will meet many talented perfumers

here with plenty of expereince creating complex and rich compositions

with as many oils as needed.

However, don't forget that simplicity is sometimes that key -

sometimes less is more. Some of my most beautiful creations contain

only 5 essences. It's a matter of knowhing which ones to put together

and the right proportions.

> I want to incorporate unique indigenous plant EO's, thus

> making them truly 'Alaskan', so have been learning the art

> of distilling several select plants in my area, with the

> small distiller sold on ebay. I want each fragrance to

> incorporate at least one indigenous plant. That is the key

> to the success of such a line as mine in a gift-type store.

> I have been searching for a group such as this I could

> learn from, and share with. I've been going through the

> archives a little bit the last two days to get a feel for

> this group, and I must say, I'm both very happy to be a

> part of it, and impressed. I think I may have to sit at the

> feet of the masters here a little bit, which is an

> apprenticeship I've been looking for.

> Kathy

> Flathorn Lake, AK

This is incredible!

I have never been to Alaska, and this is a wonderful idea!

I have just recently met an herbalist (and a former aromatherapist to

who made bespoke perufmes about ten years ago in antoher province in

Canada), who has her own distilery (she can make 1oz at a time for

medicinal purposes). She also makes the most amazing teas... But

that's not the point ;)

I am going to distill local plants with her assitance - she wild

harvests wild roses and many other herbs in the woods and mountainly s

around here, and has plenty of knowledge of their properties.

I want to make some special perfumes that are unique to where I live

(as I spend most of my time trying to create scents of my homeland -

scents that usually cannot grow here, and it makes me sad that I don't

know the plants here as much as I do in Israel).

This can be a powerful bridge for me personally to feel more at home

in my new home (I was born in Canada but raised in Israel, where I

know all the names and scents of the plants... It's hard to accumulate

this kind of knowledge when coming to a new country and living in a

city!).

I would like to hear more from you, Kathy, about your future

distillation projects. You are doing something truly unique and

genuine, and I am also very curious to hear what the plants in Alaska

are like!

Warm regards,

Ayala Sender

Perfumer & Owner

Quinta Essentia Signature Perfumes Inc.

http://www.Quinta-Essentia.ca E-mail: Ayala@...

Signature Perfumes ~ Perfumed Jewelery ~ Fragrance Consultant On-Line

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> coming up with the finished fragrances has been more

> difficult than I envisioned, #1 because I've set my

> standards high,

Kathy,

First of all - welcome to this wonderful forum (I have been away when

you have introduced yourself, and Anya and I had just a conversation

this morning on the phone; I mentioned distilling local plants and she

told me about you!).

As for the high standards challenge - it's a good one to always have,

so don't give up!

Take your time; Perfumes need time - both physically and mentally to

develop. You will never regret waiting until you get the right thing,

as opposed to trying to sell the first thing that you blend...

And of course - the perfumes themselves need the time to mature and

evolve...

This a challenge in our profession - responding quickly to trends but

also maintining a high quality of the final product. Remember that the

good things stay around for a long time - so it's worth the investments...

and #2 because it is more difficult than it

> seems to make something other than a simple 3-5 note EO

> fragrance.

I am sure we can be of help - you will meet many talented perfumers

here with plenty of expereince creating complex and rich compositions

with as many oils as needed.

However, don't forget that simplicity is sometimes that key -

sometimes less is more. Some of my most beautiful creations contain

only 5 essences. It's a matter of knowhing which ones to put together

and the right proportions.

> I want to incorporate unique indigenous plant EO's, thus

> making them truly 'Alaskan', so have been learning the art

> of distilling several select plants in my area, with the

> small distiller sold on ebay. I want each fragrance to

> incorporate at least one indigenous plant. That is the key

> to the success of such a line as mine in a gift-type store.

> I have been searching for a group such as this I could

> learn from, and share with. I've been going through the

> archives a little bit the last two days to get a feel for

> this group, and I must say, I'm both very happy to be a

> part of it, and impressed. I think I may have to sit at the

> feet of the masters here a little bit, which is an

> apprenticeship I've been looking for.

> Kathy

> Flathorn Lake, AK

This is incredible!

I have never been to Alaska, and this is a wonderful idea!

I have just recently met an herbalist (and a former aromatherapist to

who made bespoke perufmes about ten years ago in antoher province in

Canada), who has her own distilery (she can make 1oz at a time for

medicinal purposes). She also makes the most amazing teas... But

that's not the point ;)

I am going to distill local plants with her assitance - she wild

harvests wild roses and many other herbs in the woods and mountainly s

around here, and has plenty of knowledge of their properties.

I want to make some special perfumes that are unique to where I live

(as I spend most of my time trying to create scents of my homeland -

scents that usually cannot grow here, and it makes me sad that I don't

know the plants here as much as I do in Israel).

This can be a powerful bridge for me personally to feel more at home

in my new home (I was born in Canada but raised in Israel, where I

know all the names and scents of the plants... It's hard to accumulate

this kind of knowledge when coming to a new country and living in a

city!).

I would like to hear more from you, Kathy, about your future

distillation projects. You are doing something truly unique and

genuine, and I am also very curious to hear what the plants in Alaska

are like!

Warm regards,

Ayala Sender

Perfumer & Owner

Quinta Essentia Signature Perfumes Inc.

http://www.Quinta-Essentia.ca E-mail: Ayala@...

Signature Perfumes ~ Perfumed Jewelery ~ Fragrance Consultant On-Line

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“In fact, I have gotten the

message from school that he is too smart to be in

special ed, but his behavior is too bad to go in

regular classes (duh, that's why

he's in special ed).”

Special education classes are not solely

designed for kids who are “not smart enough” for regular

classes. Special education is there when the child needs to learn in a

different environment or with modifications that are not available through

regular education.

”In any case, the problems are, screaming, from frustration,

or from not getting

his way; running away; aggressiveness toward his

22 month old sister; and of

course, toilet training. I would appreciate any

advice or experience on how to

deal with these issues. We have tried most

everything we can think of with no

results. I think a lot of the behavior is do to

either communication problems or

sensory integration problems, but we can't seem to

make any progress in

these areas.”

This sounds very much like what we were

dealing with my five-year-old son who is PDDNOS. We, in fact, did

inpatient psychiatry to adjust medications, which was a big help. But,

now after only 5 weeks of being on the new meds and having a VERY consistent,

structured approach to discipline we have our boy back. He’s happy

most of the time and there is virtually no hitting or screaming or time-outs.

In fact, we went from about 3-4 rages a day to not even having to enforce a

time-out in the past week. Amazing. AND, we’re beginning to

wean off some of the meds and are still seeing positive behavior.

Here’s what we do for

discipline. It sounds horrible for a little kid, but we’re proof

that it works. Lock up ALL his toys, yes even his favorites. We put

a deadbolt on the closet in his room and removed everything off the shelves

leaving just his bed pretty much. We even locked up his outside toys

(bicycle, motorcycle, etc.) and put locks at the tops of all the doors leading

outside so that he couldn’t go outside to play unless he “earned it”.

He has to earn three stickers (or stamps or whatever you choose, just be sure

that it is visual so that he can see his progress) and then he gets to go to

the closet and choose a toy or can choose to ride his bike, etc. Once he

earns something he’s got it for the rest of the day unless he abuses it.

For example, if he is riding his bike and gets mad and jumps off to push the

bike over then the bike goes back in the locked garage and he can earn it again

after three stickers. At the end of the day when he goes to sleep, all

the toys are locked up again and it starts over.

He can earn stickers for just about

anything that resembles positive behavior. Using nice words (please,

thank you), helping sister (we have a 16 month old), closing the door softly,

following directions when asked, really whatever you choose and feel is

important to your family. Just be consistent in rewarding the positive

behavior.

When he displays negative behavior we first

determine if its something that can be ignored and why. For example, he’s

whining and not following directions when asked. This usually happens

after school and I know that he’s worn out so I try not to expect too

much for about 30 minutes or so. If its not something that can be ignored

we do this (and it took about an entire day for him to get it and know that we

were serious): Say, “Tristan, it’s time to go inside.”

He doesn’t come. Wait a few seconds. “Tristan, that’s

one.” He doesn’t come. Wait a few seconds. “Tristan,

that’s two, it’s time to go inside.” He doesn’t

come. Wait a few seconds. “Tristan, if I get to three you’re

going to have to do a sit-out.” He doesn’t come. You go

over and get him, kicking a screaming and take him to a room in the house that

you have designated for him to do sit-outs. We use him room since we’ve

already removed all the toys and there’s nothing in there that he can

mess up. Then put him in the room and tell him that the sit-out is over

when he can be “criss-cross applesauce and quiet as a mouse until he

hears the beep” meaning that he sits with his legs crossed and is

quiet. I stay in the room with my son. It’s very important

that you completely ignore whatever he does to try to get your attention.

My son would kick the door, tee tee on the floor, take off all his clothes,

etc. Don’t make eye contact with him when he does those things and

don’t acknowledge that he’s even done them (after the sit-out is

over you can tell him that he has to clean up the tee tee on the floor). Periodically,

every 2-3 minutes or so, say, “Tristan, I’m waiting to see

criss-cross applesauce, quiet as a mouse.” There shouldn’t be

any extra communication and I’ve found that it helps to say EXACTLY the

same statement. If he starts to be aggressive towards you tell him, “If

you are going to hurt me then I’m going to have to leave the room.”

After I left him in there by himself a few times (I would be standing right

outside the door) all the hitting mom stopped.

My son also has communication

delays and sensory issues and this approach has worked. It’s tough

love and it took about a month to get it down but it worked for us. We’ve

been able to be a little less stringent about removing all the toys.

Right now, if he has a good day at school he gets to play with his outside toys

and swings, and if he doesn’t have a good day then we stay inside and he

can earn those toys.

I hope this helps.

I was very reluctant to try it since it really was a huge pain in the rear to “set

up” as far as locking doors and installing locks and I thought it was

cruel for him not to be able to play with his toys and that not having them was

going to make his behavior even worse. But, it’s made such a

difference for our family. The screaming and yelling and hitting all day

is gone. There was a time (actually, prior to August) that I’d lost

hope of that ever happening.

Let me know if you decide

to try it and if you need more information.

Take care,

Mom to C (5) –

PDDNOS, Mood Disorder NOS, seizures and M (16 months) - NT

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“In fact, I have gotten the

message from school that he is too smart to be in

special ed, but his behavior is too bad to go in

regular classes (duh, that's why

he's in special ed).”

Special education classes are not solely

designed for kids who are “not smart enough” for regular

classes. Special education is there when the child needs to learn in a

different environment or with modifications that are not available through

regular education.

”In any case, the problems are, screaming, from frustration,

or from not getting

his way; running away; aggressiveness toward his

22 month old sister; and of

course, toilet training. I would appreciate any

advice or experience on how to

deal with these issues. We have tried most

everything we can think of with no

results. I think a lot of the behavior is do to

either communication problems or

sensory integration problems, but we can't seem to

make any progress in

these areas.”

This sounds very much like what we were

dealing with my five-year-old son who is PDDNOS. We, in fact, did

inpatient psychiatry to adjust medications, which was a big help. But,

now after only 5 weeks of being on the new meds and having a VERY consistent,

structured approach to discipline we have our boy back. He’s happy

most of the time and there is virtually no hitting or screaming or time-outs.

In fact, we went from about 3-4 rages a day to not even having to enforce a

time-out in the past week. Amazing. AND, we’re beginning to

wean off some of the meds and are still seeing positive behavior.

Here’s what we do for

discipline. It sounds horrible for a little kid, but we’re proof

that it works. Lock up ALL his toys, yes even his favorites. We put

a deadbolt on the closet in his room and removed everything off the shelves

leaving just his bed pretty much. We even locked up his outside toys

(bicycle, motorcycle, etc.) and put locks at the tops of all the doors leading

outside so that he couldn’t go outside to play unless he “earned it”.

He has to earn three stickers (or stamps or whatever you choose, just be sure

that it is visual so that he can see his progress) and then he gets to go to

the closet and choose a toy or can choose to ride his bike, etc. Once he

earns something he’s got it for the rest of the day unless he abuses it.

For example, if he is riding his bike and gets mad and jumps off to push the

bike over then the bike goes back in the locked garage and he can earn it again

after three stickers. At the end of the day when he goes to sleep, all

the toys are locked up again and it starts over.

He can earn stickers for just about

anything that resembles positive behavior. Using nice words (please,

thank you), helping sister (we have a 16 month old), closing the door softly,

following directions when asked, really whatever you choose and feel is

important to your family. Just be consistent in rewarding the positive

behavior.

When he displays negative behavior we first

determine if its something that can be ignored and why. For example, he’s

whining and not following directions when asked. This usually happens

after school and I know that he’s worn out so I try not to expect too

much for about 30 minutes or so. If its not something that can be ignored

we do this (and it took about an entire day for him to get it and know that we

were serious): Say, “Tristan, it’s time to go inside.”

He doesn’t come. Wait a few seconds. “Tristan, that’s

one.” He doesn’t come. Wait a few seconds. “Tristan,

that’s two, it’s time to go inside.” He doesn’t

come. Wait a few seconds. “Tristan, if I get to three you’re

going to have to do a sit-out.” He doesn’t come. You go

over and get him, kicking a screaming and take him to a room in the house that

you have designated for him to do sit-outs. We use him room since we’ve

already removed all the toys and there’s nothing in there that he can

mess up. Then put him in the room and tell him that the sit-out is over

when he can be “criss-cross applesauce and quiet as a mouse until he

hears the beep” meaning that he sits with his legs crossed and is

quiet. I stay in the room with my son. It’s very important

that you completely ignore whatever he does to try to get your attention.

My son would kick the door, tee tee on the floor, take off all his clothes,

etc. Don’t make eye contact with him when he does those things and

don’t acknowledge that he’s even done them (after the sit-out is

over you can tell him that he has to clean up the tee tee on the floor). Periodically,

every 2-3 minutes or so, say, “Tristan, I’m waiting to see

criss-cross applesauce, quiet as a mouse.” There shouldn’t be

any extra communication and I’ve found that it helps to say EXACTLY the

same statement. If he starts to be aggressive towards you tell him, “If

you are going to hurt me then I’m going to have to leave the room.”

After I left him in there by himself a few times (I would be standing right

outside the door) all the hitting mom stopped.

My son also has communication

delays and sensory issues and this approach has worked. It’s tough

love and it took about a month to get it down but it worked for us. We’ve

been able to be a little less stringent about removing all the toys.

Right now, if he has a good day at school he gets to play with his outside toys

and swings, and if he doesn’t have a good day then we stay inside and he

can earn those toys.

I hope this helps.

I was very reluctant to try it since it really was a huge pain in the rear to “set

up” as far as locking doors and installing locks and I thought it was

cruel for him not to be able to play with his toys and that not having them was

going to make his behavior even worse. But, it’s made such a

difference for our family. The screaming and yelling and hitting all day

is gone. There was a time (actually, prior to August) that I’d lost

hope of that ever happening.

Let me know if you decide

to try it and if you need more information.

Take care,

Mom to C (5) –

PDDNOS, Mood Disorder NOS, seizures and M (16 months) - NT

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Hi there,

I am just kind of curious after reading your post...

What meds do you have your child on for only 5 weeks with such a system that you are already weaning him off? I see he is only 5.

Tina--Mom to , 13 -High Functioning Autism, Mood Disorder-NOS 11- Bipolar, adhd, PDD-NOS-

-------------- Original message --------------

“In fact, I have gotten the message from school that he is too smart to be in special ed, but his behavior is too bad to go in regular classes (duh, that's why he's in special ed).”

Special education classes are not solely designed for kids who are “not smart enough” for regular classes. Special education is there when the child needs to learn in a different environment or with modifications that are not available through regular education. ”In any case, the problems are, screaming, from frustration, or from not getting his way; running away; aggressiveness toward his 22 month old sister; and of course, toilet training. I would appreciate any advice or experience on how to deal with these issues. We have tried most everything we can think of with no results. I think a lot of the behavior is do to either communication problems or sensory integration problems, but we can't seem to make any progress in these areas.”

This sounds very much like what we were dealing with my five-year-old son who is PDDNOS. We, in fact, did inpatient psychiatry to adjust medications, which was a big help. But, now after only 5 weeks of being on the new meds and having a VERY consistent, structured approach to discipline we have our boy back. He’s happy most of the time and there is virtually no hitting or screaming or time-outs. In fact, we went from about 3-4 rages a day to not even having to enforce a time-out in the past week. Amazing. AND, we’re beginning to wean off some of the meds and are still seeing positive behavior.

Here’s what we do for discipline. It sounds horrible for a little kid, but we’re proof that it works. Lock up ALL his toys, yes even his favorites. We put a deadbolt on the closet in his room and removed everything off the shelves leaving just his bed pretty much. We even locked up his outside toys (bicycle, motorcycle, etc.) and put locks at the tops of all the doors leading outside so that he couldn’t go outside to play unless he “earned it”. He has to earn three stickers (or stamps or whatever you choose, just be sure that it is visual so that he can see his progress) and then he gets to go to the closet and choose a toy or can choose to ride his bike, etc. Once he earns something he’s got it for the rest of the day unless he abuses it. For example, if he is riding his bike and gets mad and jumps off to push the bike over then the bike goes back in the locked garage and he can earn it again after three stickers. At the end of the day when he goes to sleep, all the toys are locked up again and it starts over.

He can earn stickers for just about anything that resembles positive behavior. Using nice words (please, thank you), helping sister (we have a 16 month old), closing the door softly, following directions when asked, really whatever you choose and feel is important to your family. Just be consistent in rewarding the positive behavior.

When he displays negative behavior we first determine if its something that can be ignored and why. For example, he’s whining and not following directions when asked. This usually happens after school and I know that he’s worn out so I try not to expect too much for about 30 minutes or so. If its not something that can be ignored we do this (and it took about an entire day for him to get it and know that we were serious): Say, “Tristan, it’s time to go inside.” He doesn’t come. Wait a few seconds. “Tristan, that’s one.” He doesn’t come. Wait a few seconds. “Tristan, that’s two, it’s time to go inside.” He doesn’t come. Wait a few seconds. “Tristan, if I get to three you’re going to have to do a sit-out.” He doesn’t come. You go over and get him, kicking a screaming and take him to a room in the house that you have designated for him to do sit-outs. We use him room since we’ve already removed all the toys and there’s nothing in there that he can mess up. Then put him in the room and tell him that the sit-out is over when he can be “criss-cross applesauce and quiet as a mouse until he hears the beep” meaning that he sits with his legs crossed and is quiet. I stay in the room with my son. It’s very important that you completely ignore whatever he does to try to get your attention. My son would kick the door, tee tee on the floor, take off all his clothes, etc. Don’t make eye contact with him when he does those things and don’t acknowledge that he’s even done them (after the sit-out is over you can tell him that he has to clean up the tee tee on the floor). Periodically, every 2-3 minutes or so, say, “Tristan, I’m waiting to see criss-cross applesauce, quiet as a mouse.” There shouldn’t be any extra communication and I’ve found that it helps to say EXACTLY the same statement. If he starts to be aggressive towards you tell him, “If you are going to hurt me then I’m going to have to leave the room.” After I left him in there by himself a few times (I would be standing right outside the door) all the hitting mom stopped.

My son also has communication delays and sensory issues and this approach has worked. It’s tough love and it took about a month to get it down but it worked for us. We’ve been able to be a little less stringent about removing all the toys. Right now, if he has a good day at school he gets to play with his outside toys and swings, and if he doesn’t have a good day then we stay inside and he can earn those toys.

I hope this helps. I was very reluctant to try it since it really was a huge pain in the rear to “set up” as far as locking doors and installing locks and I thought it was cruel for him not to be able to play with his toys and that not having them was going to make his behavior even worse. But, it’s made such a difference for our family. The screaming and yelling and hitting all day is gone. There was a time (actually, prior to August) that I’d lost hope of that ever happening.

Let me know if you decide to try it and if you need more information.

Take care,

Mom to C (5) – PDDNOS, Mood Disorder NOS, seizures and M (16 months) - NT

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Hi there,

I am just kind of curious after reading your post...

What meds do you have your child on for only 5 weeks with such a system that you are already weaning him off? I see he is only 5.

Tina--Mom to , 13 -High Functioning Autism, Mood Disorder-NOS 11- Bipolar, adhd, PDD-NOS-

-------------- Original message --------------

“In fact, I have gotten the message from school that he is too smart to be in special ed, but his behavior is too bad to go in regular classes (duh, that's why he's in special ed).”

Special education classes are not solely designed for kids who are “not smart enough” for regular classes. Special education is there when the child needs to learn in a different environment or with modifications that are not available through regular education. ”In any case, the problems are, screaming, from frustration, or from not getting his way; running away; aggressiveness toward his 22 month old sister; and of course, toilet training. I would appreciate any advice or experience on how to deal with these issues. We have tried most everything we can think of with no results. I think a lot of the behavior is do to either communication problems or sensory integration problems, but we can't seem to make any progress in these areas.”

This sounds very much like what we were dealing with my five-year-old son who is PDDNOS. We, in fact, did inpatient psychiatry to adjust medications, which was a big help. But, now after only 5 weeks of being on the new meds and having a VERY consistent, structured approach to discipline we have our boy back. He’s happy most of the time and there is virtually no hitting or screaming or time-outs. In fact, we went from about 3-4 rages a day to not even having to enforce a time-out in the past week. Amazing. AND, we’re beginning to wean off some of the meds and are still seeing positive behavior.

Here’s what we do for discipline. It sounds horrible for a little kid, but we’re proof that it works. Lock up ALL his toys, yes even his favorites. We put a deadbolt on the closet in his room and removed everything off the shelves leaving just his bed pretty much. We even locked up his outside toys (bicycle, motorcycle, etc.) and put locks at the tops of all the doors leading outside so that he couldn’t go outside to play unless he “earned it”. He has to earn three stickers (or stamps or whatever you choose, just be sure that it is visual so that he can see his progress) and then he gets to go to the closet and choose a toy or can choose to ride his bike, etc. Once he earns something he’s got it for the rest of the day unless he abuses it. For example, if he is riding his bike and gets mad and jumps off to push the bike over then the bike goes back in the locked garage and he can earn it again after three stickers. At the end of the day when he goes to sleep, all the toys are locked up again and it starts over.

He can earn stickers for just about anything that resembles positive behavior. Using nice words (please, thank you), helping sister (we have a 16 month old), closing the door softly, following directions when asked, really whatever you choose and feel is important to your family. Just be consistent in rewarding the positive behavior.

When he displays negative behavior we first determine if its something that can be ignored and why. For example, he’s whining and not following directions when asked. This usually happens after school and I know that he’s worn out so I try not to expect too much for about 30 minutes or so. If its not something that can be ignored we do this (and it took about an entire day for him to get it and know that we were serious): Say, “Tristan, it’s time to go inside.” He doesn’t come. Wait a few seconds. “Tristan, that’s one.” He doesn’t come. Wait a few seconds. “Tristan, that’s two, it’s time to go inside.” He doesn’t come. Wait a few seconds. “Tristan, if I get to three you’re going to have to do a sit-out.” He doesn’t come. You go over and get him, kicking a screaming and take him to a room in the house that you have designated for him to do sit-outs. We use him room since we’ve already removed all the toys and there’s nothing in there that he can mess up. Then put him in the room and tell him that the sit-out is over when he can be “criss-cross applesauce and quiet as a mouse until he hears the beep” meaning that he sits with his legs crossed and is quiet. I stay in the room with my son. It’s very important that you completely ignore whatever he does to try to get your attention. My son would kick the door, tee tee on the floor, take off all his clothes, etc. Don’t make eye contact with him when he does those things and don’t acknowledge that he’s even done them (after the sit-out is over you can tell him that he has to clean up the tee tee on the floor). Periodically, every 2-3 minutes or so, say, “Tristan, I’m waiting to see criss-cross applesauce, quiet as a mouse.” There shouldn’t be any extra communication and I’ve found that it helps to say EXACTLY the same statement. If he starts to be aggressive towards you tell him, “If you are going to hurt me then I’m going to have to leave the room.” After I left him in there by himself a few times (I would be standing right outside the door) all the hitting mom stopped.

My son also has communication delays and sensory issues and this approach has worked. It’s tough love and it took about a month to get it down but it worked for us. We’ve been able to be a little less stringent about removing all the toys. Right now, if he has a good day at school he gets to play with his outside toys and swings, and if he doesn’t have a good day then we stay inside and he can earn those toys.

I hope this helps. I was very reluctant to try it since it really was a huge pain in the rear to “set up” as far as locking doors and installing locks and I thought it was cruel for him not to be able to play with his toys and that not having them was going to make his behavior even worse. But, it’s made such a difference for our family. The screaming and yelling and hitting all day is gone. There was a time (actually, prior to August) that I’d lost hope of that ever happening.

Let me know if you decide to try it and if you need more information.

Take care,

Mom to C (5) – PDDNOS, Mood Disorder NOS, seizures and M (16 months) - NT

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Risperdol – no changes

Thorazine – removed noon dose and

cut morning and evening doses in half. According to the Drug Guide for

Psychiatric Nursing this is can be used for “children with severe

behavioral problems, associated with explosive hyperexcitable behavior or

combativeness” – good description of my son at that time

Carbatrol – no changes

Cogentin – removed noon dose

While the meds have been necessary, the

behavior system has been even more important. We thought we were

structured before beginning this approach, but we now know what triggers and

motivators are necessary for him. I thought I even knew what THOSE were

before (in fact, I was convinced that NOTHING motivated him).

Of course, all this is monitored by his

pdoc who consults with our neurologist and hospital pdoc and psychologist as

necessary.

From: autism [mailto:autism ] On Behalf Of skinnymocha921@...

Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005

2:37 PM

autism

Subject: RE: New

member introduction

Hi there,

I am just kind of curious after reading your post...

What meds do you have your child on for only 5 weeks with such a system

that you are already weaning him off? I see he is only 5.

Tina--

Mom to

, 13 -High Functioning Autism, Mood Disorder-NOS

11- Bipolar, adhd, PDD-NOS-

-------------- Original message --------------

“In fact, I have gotten the

message from school that he is too smart to be in

special ed, but his behavior is too bad to go in

regular classes (duh, that's why

he's in special ed).”

Special education classes are not solely

designed for kids who are “not smart enough” for regular

classes. Special education is there when the child needs to learn in a

different environment or with modifications that are not available through

regular education.

”In any case, the problems are, screaming, from frustration,

or from not getting

his way; running away; aggressiveness toward his

22 month old sister; and of

course, toilet training. I would appreciate any

advice or experience on how to

deal with these issues. We have tried most

everything we can think of with no

results. I think a lot of the behavior is do to

either communication problems or

sensory integration problems, but we can't seem to

make any progress in

these areas.”

This sounds very much like what we were

dealing with my five-year-old son who is PDDNOS. We, in fact, did

inpatient psychiatry to adjust medications, which was a big help. But,

now after only 5 weeks of being on the new meds and having a VERY consistent,

structured approach to discipline we have our boy back. He’s happy

most of the time and there is virtually no hitting or screaming or time-outs.

In fact, we went from about 3-4 rages a day to not even having to enforce a

time-out in the past week. Amazing. AND, we’re beginning to

wean off some of the meds and are still seeing positive behavior.

Here’s what we do for

discipline. It sounds horrible for a little kid, but we’re proof

that it works. Lock up ALL his toys, yes even his favorites. We put

a deadbolt on the closet in his room and removed everything off the shelves

leaving just his bed pretty much. We even locked up his outside toys

(bicycle, motorcycle, etc.) and put locks at the tops of all the doors leading

outside so that he couldn’t go outside to play unless he “earned

it”. He has to earn three stickers (or stamps or whatever you

choose, just be sure that it is visual so that he can see his progress) and

then he gets to go to the closet and choose a toy or can choose to ride his

bike, etc. Once he earns something he’s got it for the rest of the

day unless he abuses it. For example, if he is riding his bike and gets

mad and jumps off to push the bike over then the bike goes back in the locked

garage and he can earn it again after three stickers. At the end of the

day when he goes to sleep, all the toys are locked up again and it starts

over.

He can earn stickers for just about

anything that resembles positive behavior. Using nice words (please,

thank you), helping sister (we have a 16 month old), closing the door softly,

following directions when asked, really whatever you choose and feel is

important to your family. Just be consistent in rewarding the positive

behavior.

When he displays negative behavior we first

determine if its something that can be ignored and why. For example,

he’s whining and not following directions when asked. This usually

happens after school and I know that he’s worn out so I try not to expect

too much for about 30 minutes or so. If its not something that can be

ignored we do this (and it took about an entire day for him to get it and know

that we were serious): Say, “Tristan, it’s time to go

inside.” He doesn’t come. Wait a few seconds.

“Tristan, that’s one.” He doesn’t come.

Wait a few seconds. “Tristan, that’s two, it’s time to

go inside.” He doesn’t come. Wait a few seconds.

“Tristan, if I get to three you’re going to have to do a

sit-out.” He doesn’t come. You go over and get him,

kicking a screaming and take him to a room in the house that you have

designated for him to do sit-outs. We use him room since we’ve

already removed all the toys and there’s nothing in there that he can

mess up. Then put him in the room and tell him that the sit-out is over

when he can be “criss-cross applesauce and quiet as a mouse until he

hears the beep” meaning that he sits with his legs crossed and is

quiet. I stay in the room with my son. It’s very important

that you completely ignore whatever he does to try to get your attention.

My son would kick the door, tee tee on the floor, take off all his clothes,

etc. Don’t make eye contact with him when he does those things and

don’t acknowledge that he’s even done them (after the sit-out is

over you can tell him that he has to clean up the tee tee on the floor).

Periodically, every 2-3 minutes or so, say, “Tristan, I’m waiting

to see criss-cross applesauce, quiet as a mouse.” There shouldn’t

be any extra communication and I’ve found that it helps to say EXACTLY

the same statement. If he starts to be aggressive towards you tell him,

“If you are going to hurt me then I’m going to have to leave the

room.” After I left him in there by himself a few times (I would be

standing right outside the door) all the hitting mom stopped.

My son also has

communication delays and sensory issues and this approach has worked.

It’s tough love and it took about a month to get it down but it worked

for us. We’ve been able to be a little less stringent about

removing all the toys. Right now, if he has a good day at school he gets

to play with his outside toys and swings, and if he doesn’t have a good

day then we stay inside and he can earn those toys.

I hope this helps.

I was very reluctant to try it since it really was a huge pain in the rear to

“set up” as far as locking doors and installing locks and I thought

it was cruel for him not to be able to play with his toys and that not having

them was going to make his behavior even worse. But, it’s made such

a difference for our family. The screaming and yelling and hitting all

day is gone. There was a time (actually, prior to August) that I’d

lost hope of that ever happening.

Let me know if you decide

to try it and if you need more information.

Take care,

Mom to C (5) –

PDDNOS, Mood Disorder NOS, seizures and M (16 months) - NT

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Risperdol – no changes

Thorazine – removed noon dose and

cut morning and evening doses in half. According to the Drug Guide for

Psychiatric Nursing this is can be used for “children with severe

behavioral problems, associated with explosive hyperexcitable behavior or

combativeness” – good description of my son at that time

Carbatrol – no changes

Cogentin – removed noon dose

While the meds have been necessary, the

behavior system has been even more important. We thought we were

structured before beginning this approach, but we now know what triggers and

motivators are necessary for him. I thought I even knew what THOSE were

before (in fact, I was convinced that NOTHING motivated him).

Of course, all this is monitored by his

pdoc who consults with our neurologist and hospital pdoc and psychologist as

necessary.

From: autism [mailto:autism ] On Behalf Of skinnymocha921@...

Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005

2:37 PM

autism

Subject: RE: New

member introduction

Hi there,

I am just kind of curious after reading your post...

What meds do you have your child on for only 5 weeks with such a system

that you are already weaning him off? I see he is only 5.

Tina--

Mom to

, 13 -High Functioning Autism, Mood Disorder-NOS

11- Bipolar, adhd, PDD-NOS-

-------------- Original message --------------

“In fact, I have gotten the

message from school that he is too smart to be in

special ed, but his behavior is too bad to go in

regular classes (duh, that's why

he's in special ed).”

Special education classes are not solely

designed for kids who are “not smart enough” for regular

classes. Special education is there when the child needs to learn in a

different environment or with modifications that are not available through

regular education.

”In any case, the problems are, screaming, from frustration,

or from not getting

his way; running away; aggressiveness toward his

22 month old sister; and of

course, toilet training. I would appreciate any

advice or experience on how to

deal with these issues. We have tried most

everything we can think of with no

results. I think a lot of the behavior is do to

either communication problems or

sensory integration problems, but we can't seem to

make any progress in

these areas.”

This sounds very much like what we were

dealing with my five-year-old son who is PDDNOS. We, in fact, did

inpatient psychiatry to adjust medications, which was a big help. But,

now after only 5 weeks of being on the new meds and having a VERY consistent,

structured approach to discipline we have our boy back. He’s happy

most of the time and there is virtually no hitting or screaming or time-outs.

In fact, we went from about 3-4 rages a day to not even having to enforce a

time-out in the past week. Amazing. AND, we’re beginning to

wean off some of the meds and are still seeing positive behavior.

Here’s what we do for

discipline. It sounds horrible for a little kid, but we’re proof

that it works. Lock up ALL his toys, yes even his favorites. We put

a deadbolt on the closet in his room and removed everything off the shelves

leaving just his bed pretty much. We even locked up his outside toys

(bicycle, motorcycle, etc.) and put locks at the tops of all the doors leading

outside so that he couldn’t go outside to play unless he “earned

it”. He has to earn three stickers (or stamps or whatever you

choose, just be sure that it is visual so that he can see his progress) and

then he gets to go to the closet and choose a toy or can choose to ride his

bike, etc. Once he earns something he’s got it for the rest of the

day unless he abuses it. For example, if he is riding his bike and gets

mad and jumps off to push the bike over then the bike goes back in the locked

garage and he can earn it again after three stickers. At the end of the

day when he goes to sleep, all the toys are locked up again and it starts

over.

He can earn stickers for just about

anything that resembles positive behavior. Using nice words (please,

thank you), helping sister (we have a 16 month old), closing the door softly,

following directions when asked, really whatever you choose and feel is

important to your family. Just be consistent in rewarding the positive

behavior.

When he displays negative behavior we first

determine if its something that can be ignored and why. For example,

he’s whining and not following directions when asked. This usually

happens after school and I know that he’s worn out so I try not to expect

too much for about 30 minutes or so. If its not something that can be

ignored we do this (and it took about an entire day for him to get it and know

that we were serious): Say, “Tristan, it’s time to go

inside.” He doesn’t come. Wait a few seconds.

“Tristan, that’s one.” He doesn’t come.

Wait a few seconds. “Tristan, that’s two, it’s time to

go inside.” He doesn’t come. Wait a few seconds.

“Tristan, if I get to three you’re going to have to do a

sit-out.” He doesn’t come. You go over and get him,

kicking a screaming and take him to a room in the house that you have

designated for him to do sit-outs. We use him room since we’ve

already removed all the toys and there’s nothing in there that he can

mess up. Then put him in the room and tell him that the sit-out is over

when he can be “criss-cross applesauce and quiet as a mouse until he

hears the beep” meaning that he sits with his legs crossed and is

quiet. I stay in the room with my son. It’s very important

that you completely ignore whatever he does to try to get your attention.

My son would kick the door, tee tee on the floor, take off all his clothes,

etc. Don’t make eye contact with him when he does those things and

don’t acknowledge that he’s even done them (after the sit-out is

over you can tell him that he has to clean up the tee tee on the floor).

Periodically, every 2-3 minutes or so, say, “Tristan, I’m waiting

to see criss-cross applesauce, quiet as a mouse.” There shouldn’t

be any extra communication and I’ve found that it helps to say EXACTLY

the same statement. If he starts to be aggressive towards you tell him,

“If you are going to hurt me then I’m going to have to leave the

room.” After I left him in there by himself a few times (I would be

standing right outside the door) all the hitting mom stopped.

My son also has

communication delays and sensory issues and this approach has worked.

It’s tough love and it took about a month to get it down but it worked

for us. We’ve been able to be a little less stringent about

removing all the toys. Right now, if he has a good day at school he gets

to play with his outside toys and swings, and if he doesn’t have a good

day then we stay inside and he can earn those toys.

I hope this helps.

I was very reluctant to try it since it really was a huge pain in the rear to

“set up” as far as locking doors and installing locks and I thought

it was cruel for him not to be able to play with his toys and that not having

them was going to make his behavior even worse. But, it’s made such

a difference for our family. The screaming and yelling and hitting all

day is gone. There was a time (actually, prior to August) that I’d

lost hope of that ever happening.

Let me know if you decide

to try it and if you need more information.

Take care,

Mom to C (5) –

PDDNOS, Mood Disorder NOS, seizures and M (16 months) - NT

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What frustrates me, is I'm going thru a similar thing with my son's

school. He is six, in kindergarten, and he is in the " autistic class "

but yet whenver he exhibits autistic behaviors (lack of focus, sensory

issues, etc.) they complain. They say the same thing, " He is so

intelligent, that they challenge him and he meets their demands, but

his lack of focus/impulsivness is keeping him from typical classes " . So

they want me to med. him up.............. We tried Abilify, 5mg and he

was doing great for 4 weeks, and all of a sudden the med's stopped

working. I'm so stressed........

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It generally takes a combination of medications. The reason a medication just stops working like that is because other areas haven't been addressed with medication and his/her body adjusts, therefore the medication seems to stop working. I went through the same med problem with my daughter years ago, until I found a psychiatrist that new what she was doing. My daughter does fantastic on a combination of Concerta, Zoloft and Guanfacine, however each person reacts different to different meds.

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What frustrates me, is I'm going thru a similar thing with my son's school. He is six, in kindergarten, and he is in the "autistic class" but yet whenver he exhibits autistic behaviors (lack of focus, sensory issues, etc.) they complain. They say the same thing, "He is so intelligent, that they challenge him and he meets their demands, but his lack of focus/impulsivness is keeping him from typical classes". So they want me to med. him up.............. We tried Abilify, 5mg and he was doing great for 4 weeks, and all of a sudden the med's stopped working. I'm so stressed........

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It generally takes a combination of medications. The reason a medication just stops working like that is because other areas haven't been addressed with medication and his/her body adjusts, therefore the medication seems to stop working. I went through the same med problem with my daughter years ago, until I found a psychiatrist that new what she was doing. My daughter does fantastic on a combination of Concerta, Zoloft and Guanfacine, however each person reacts different to different meds.

-- Re: New member introduction

What frustrates me, is I'm going thru a similar thing with my son's school. He is six, in kindergarten, and he is in the "autistic class" but yet whenver he exhibits autistic behaviors (lack of focus, sensory issues, etc.) they complain. They say the same thing, "He is so intelligent, that they challenge him and he meets their demands, but his lack of focus/impulsivness is keeping him from typical classes". So they want me to med. him up.............. We tried Abilify, 5mg and he was doing great for 4 weeks, and all of a sudden the med's stopped working. I'm so stressed........

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Well, the behavior problems are why he is in the class, no? This is the same complaint we are getting. "Tristan is so bright, but his behavior is not acceptable". I think b/c he is intelligent they want to mainstream, but they can't because he can't control his behavior. I personally would not medicate, but it has not been proposed either. Have you tried any dietary interventions? I have Tristan on the Feingold diet and it has made improvements in his behavior. It's worth a try. Email me if you need more info. (jlgroff@...)Jenmom to Tristan, 4.6, PDD-NOSOn Nov 17, 2005, at 4:26 PM, Nicky wrote: What frustrates me, is I'm going thru a similar thing with my son's school. He is six, in kindergarten, and he is in the "autistic class" but yet whenver he exhibits autistic behaviors (lack of focus, sensory issues, etc.) they complain.  They say the same thing, "He is so intelligent, that they challenge him and he meets their demands, but his lack of focus/impulsivness is keeping him from typical classes". So they want me to med. him up..............  We tried Abilify, 5mg and he was doing great for 4 weeks, and all of a sudden the med's stopped working.  I'm so stressed........

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Well, the behavior problems are why he is in the class, no? This is the same complaint we are getting. "Tristan is so bright, but his behavior is not acceptable". I think b/c he is intelligent they want to mainstream, but they can't because he can't control his behavior. I personally would not medicate, but it has not been proposed either. Have you tried any dietary interventions? I have Tristan on the Feingold diet and it has made improvements in his behavior. It's worth a try. Email me if you need more info. (jlgroff@...)Jenmom to Tristan, 4.6, PDD-NOSOn Nov 17, 2005, at 4:26 PM, Nicky wrote: What frustrates me, is I'm going thru a similar thing with my son's school. He is six, in kindergarten, and he is in the "autistic class" but yet whenver he exhibits autistic behaviors (lack of focus, sensory issues, etc.) they complain.  They say the same thing, "He is so intelligent, that they challenge him and he meets their demands, but his lack of focus/impulsivness is keeping him from typical classes". So they want me to med. him up..............  We tried Abilify, 5mg and he was doing great for 4 weeks, and all of a sudden the med's stopped working.  I'm so stressed........

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I know my son def. has some anxiety issues. Doors have to be closed,

almost similar to OCD. But isn't OCD a type of anxiety. I mean, for

myself it is. I worry if things aren't done a certain way, something

bad will happen. Is it adviseable to start several medications at

once, or shouldn't they be worked in gradually?

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I know my son def. has some anxiety issues. Doors have to be closed,

almost similar to OCD. But isn't OCD a type of anxiety. I mean, for

myself it is. I worry if things aren't done a certain way, something

bad will happen. Is it adviseable to start several medications at

once, or shouldn't they be worked in gradually?

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In my experience working them in gradually

is best so that you know which meds are working and which aren’t. That

way you can ensure that the least amount of medication possible is being used

(in theory).

From: autism [mailto:autism ] On Behalf Of Nicky

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I know my son def. has some anxiety issues. Doors have to be closed,

almost similar to OCD. But isn't OCD a type of

anxiety. I mean, for

myself it is. I worry if things aren't done a

certain way, something

bad will happen. Is it adviseable to start

several medications at

once, or shouldn't they be worked in

gradually?

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In my experience working them in gradually

is best so that you know which meds are working and which aren’t. That

way you can ensure that the least amount of medication possible is being used

(in theory).

From: autism [mailto:autism ] On Behalf Of Nicky

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005

8:56 AM

autism

Subject: Re: New

member introduction

I know my son def. has some anxiety issues. Doors have to be closed,

almost similar to OCD. But isn't OCD a type of

anxiety. I mean, for

myself it is. I worry if things aren't done a

certain way, something

bad will happen. Is it adviseable to start

several medications at

once, or shouldn't they be worked in

gradually?

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Gradually, depending in the drug and the job it's supposed to do. Zoloft for example takes up to four weeks to get the full effect. Concerta you see start to work in 30 - 45 min's.

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I know my son def. has some anxiety issues. Doors have to be closed, almost similar to OCD. But isn't OCD a type of anxiety. I mean, for myself it is. I worry if things aren't done a certain way, something bad will happen. Is it adviseable to start several medications at once, or shouldn't they be worked in gradually?

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Hello!

I'm Spak, from Portland, Oregon, USA. I am a

licensed professional counselor

with a passion for aromatherapy, but am fairly new to

the perfumery world. I'm hopelessly

addicted to neroli and jasmine sambac. I hope to break

out of my rose/neroli/jasmine

blend rut and learn about some new perfume materials.

Warmly,

Hi stephanie

I am new too, hoping this will be a great place to

learn! Do you incorporate aromatherapy into your work

as a counselor?

Jeanne

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At 09:04 PM 4/4/2006, you wrote:

>Hello!

>I'm Spak, from Portland, Oregon, USA. I am a licensed

>professional counselor

>with a passion for aromatherapy, but am fairly new to the perfumery world.

>I'm hopelessly

>addicted to neroli and jasmine sambac. I hope to break out of my

>rose/neroli/jasmine

>blend rut and learn about some new perfume materials.

Welcome, , and yes, breaking out of scent ruts is a good thing ;-)

In fact, in NP, we learn we must study and use raw aromatics that are not

appealing to us, because in the blend, they may transform into a beautiful

part of an accord, or elevate and help another aromatic.

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Hi Chris!

I don't have any advice since I'm just starting, but I wanted to welcome you

and say hi.

Darla : )

New Member introduction

Hello,

Well, I've bit the bullet and I'm going to do it....I pulled out my

BFL book that I started 3 years ago, blew the dust of it and am

determined to make it work this time.

I came across your BFL women's club 2 group and in addition to

joining, have already gone through the files, printed up recipes,

etc. I look forward to documenting my progress and connecting with

other women who also are working towards a goal of a healthier

lifestyle.

I'm 5'9 " and WAY overweight (234 lbs this A.M....ouch!)and I lead a

much too sedentary lifestyle. As you can see, I have a LONG ways to

go, and my goal is to take it in babysteps, instead of focusing on my

end goal, set mini goals to work towards. Since I'm new to this, I

don't even know where to begin with those goals, both big and small.

My doc seems to think getting down to 150 lbs is about right (that's

where I was 15 years ago before 3 kids and a LOT of stress eating).

I think that seems a bit extreme, but as I said, don't know. Weight

Watchers says top end of 169 so I'd welcome any advice from you gals

who've been working through the BFL program.

Thanks so much!

Chris

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I think making small goals is a great idea! Maybe start with goals that don't

focus on a certain number of pounds or whatever. Maybe a goal could be to get in

all of your water or eating your 6 clean meals and getting to the gym. Before I

was off for the summer, I would have a goal of having all of my meals prepared

the night before. Just start small and you can do it!

Christi wrote: Hello,

Well, I've bit the bullet and I'm going to do it....I pulled out my

BFL book that I started 3 years ago, blew the dust of it and am

determined to make it work this time.

I came across your BFL women's club 2 group and in addition to

joining, have already gone through the files, printed up recipes,

etc. I look forward to documenting my progress and connecting with

other women who also are working towards a goal of a healthier

lifestyle.

I'm 5'9 " and WAY overweight (234 lbs this A.M....ouch!)and I lead a

much too sedentary lifestyle. As you can see, I have a LONG ways to

go, and my goal is to take it in babysteps, instead of focusing on my

end goal, set mini goals to work towards. Since I'm new to this, I

don't even know where to begin with those goals, both big and small.

My doc seems to think getting down to 150 lbs is about right (that's

where I was 15 years ago before 3 kids and a LOT of stress eating).

I think that seems a bit extreme, but as I said, don't know. Weight

Watchers says top end of 169 so I'd welcome any advice from you gals

who've been working through the BFL program.

Thanks so much!

Chris

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Like you said, don't worry about the end goal. Before long you

really won't care what the scale says, so why try to put a number on

it now?

Make your first goal to completely plan out your first week, meals

and workouts times all figured into your schedule and tell yourself

for one week you will do exactly as you planned. Then, take the

next week..etc....

Of course you are commiting to 12 weeks, but one week at a time,

when you are making a big change to your life, is a good way to

start, feel good about your accomplishment and not be overwhelmed.

Welcome to the club; you are going to do great.

Barbara

>

> Hello,

> Well, I've bit the bullet and I'm going to do it....I pulled out

my

> BFL book that I started 3 years ago, blew the dust of it and am

> determined to make it work this time.

>

> I came across your BFL women's club 2 group and in addition to

> joining, have already gone through the files, printed up recipes,

> etc. I look forward to documenting my progress and connecting with

> other women who also are working towards a goal of a healthier

> lifestyle.

>

> I'm 5'9 " and WAY overweight (234 lbs this A.M....ouch!)and I lead

a

> much too sedentary lifestyle. As you can see, I have a LONG ways

to

> go, and my goal is to take it in babysteps, instead of focusing on

my

> end goal, set mini goals to work towards. Since I'm new to this,

I

> don't even know where to begin with those goals, both big and

small.

> My doc seems to think getting down to 150 lbs is about right

(that's

> where I was 15 years ago before 3 kids and a LOT of stress

eating).

> I think that seems a bit extreme, but as I said, don't know.

Weight

> Watchers says top end of 169 so I'd welcome any advice from you

gals

> who've been working through the BFL program.

>

> Thanks so much!

>

> Chris

>

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Hey when I started BFL I was 5'3 " and weighed 260!! I am down to 185

and a size 16... getting there... but you can do this!! My cardio was

running! Can you imagine? =0

I have about 45lbs left to go...Its hard to tell what you will weigh,

depending how much muscle you put on your bone structure etc. I have no

clue what I will weigh, I have always been heavier then i look, and my kids

are heavier then their friends that are the same size.

> > I'm 5'9 " and WAY overweight (234 lbs this A.M....ouch!)and I lead

>a

> > much too sedentary lifestyle. As you can see, I have a LONG ways

>to

> > go, and my goal is to take it in babysteps, instead of focusing on

>my

> > end goal, set mini goals to work towards. Since I'm new to this,

>I

> > don't even know where to begin with those goals, both big and

>small.

> > My doc seems to think getting down to 150 lbs is about right

>(that's

> > where I was 15 years ago before 3 kids and a LOT of stress

>eating).

> > I think that seems a bit extreme, but as I said, don't know.

>Weight

> > Watchers says top end of 169 so I'd welcome any advice from you

>gals

> > who've been working through the BFL program.

> >

> > Thanks so much!

> >

> > Chris

> >

>

>

>

>

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