OFF TOPIC

[Guest guest]

>

> To All;

>

> I saw my Dr June 18th, even thou I'm on LDN she wants to start me

on FTY720, has anyone been on FTY720? if so, what has been the

experience?

>

> Jim (ND)

>==========

I would do some big time question asking. This treatment traps

something in the lymph nodes and that concerns me. Could it

eventually cause a malfunctioning lymphatic system in later years?

Ask if this suppresses the immune system and can it cause death,

etc, etc, etc?

[Guest guest]

My Dr said, with the results of phase 1,2 & 3 it would be good for me to try.

RE: [low dose naltrexone] OFF TOPIC

what is FTY720? If you are seeing results with ldn why would you want to try anything else?

From: low dose naltrexone [mailto:low dose naltrexone ] On Behalf Of JharbottSent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:25 PMlow dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] OFF TOPIC

To All;

I saw my Dr June 18th, even thou I'm on LDN she wants to start me on FTY720, has anyone been on FTY720? if so, what has been the experience?

Jim (ND)

[Guest guest]

excellent point .

[low dose naltrexone] Re: OFF TOPIC

>> To All;> > I saw my Dr June 18th, even thou I'm on LDN she wants to start me on FTY720, has anyone been on FTY720? if so, what has been the experience?> > Jim (ND)>==========I would do some big time question asking. This treatment traps something in the lymph nodes and that concerns me. Could it eventually cause a malfunctioning lymphatic system in later years? Ask if this suppresses the immune system and can it cause death, etc, etc, etc?

[Guest guest]

Kathy

THis (cardiac risks) would be a good topic for discussion on the LDNsupport group rather than here. This group is for LDN related issues only.

mjh

Posted by: "Kathy Lintzenich" hands-on-healing@...

Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:40 pm (PST)

It has come to my attention that cardiac risk factors change in the medical field frequently. Half of people who have heart attacks have normal cholesterol levels.At one point research indicated the importance of the ratio of HDL to LDL. Then undesirable levels of C-reactive protein was thought to be a red flag especially for women.After that, there was a more sophisticated C-reactive protein. Other times homcysteine levelswere measured. Now most recently the medical community is saying it is the ratio of lipoprotein A andB that are the biggest indicators of impending or current cardiovascular disease. Does anyone have any knowledge about how to improve one's lipoprotein ratios? I thought this might be a good one for Bruce or whomever is well informed on this subject. I am sure there are a multitude of factors to consider but I found this interesting enough to share with the group.Thank You,Kathy

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[Guest guest]

LOL, another Helen here, and also an Essex girl. But I unfortunately

live in Essex. But luckily will be moving to Chicago at somepoint,

hopefully to to long away.

emmalemma777 wrote:

Just wanted to say hi fellow Brit - me too - Essex girl unfortunately!!

Lucky for me nobody knows what that is in San Francisco!!

>

>

> > >Thats great read the british doctors report and being a

brit

> myself great advice lol !

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> >

> > > >Thats great read the british doctors report and being a brit

> > myself great advice lol !

> > >

> >

>HEY BRIT GIRLS NICE TO MEET YU BOTH!! my mum lived in colchester!!

lol sorry bit off topic there sorry ! lol Thanks for replies guys !

[Guest guest]

Happy 3 1/2th birthday HAWK!!!!

Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiahttp://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.htmlaeranch@...

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HAWK was started on April 14, 2004... We are 3 and 1/2 yrs old.. and we are at 495 members... Just thought you'd all like to know that...

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Suzi

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[Guest guest]

Ditto that! And thanks for the birthday gifts to US!!

Ev

Happy 3 1/2th birthday HAWK!!!!

Gayla

[Guest guest]

WOW time flies doesn’t it?

Janet

From:

health

[mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Suzanne

Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007

12:46 PM

To:

health

Subject:

OFF TOPIC

HAWK was started on April 14, 2004... We are 3 and 1/2 yrs old.. and we

are at 495 members... Just thought you'd all like to know that...

Suzi

Suzi

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[Guest guest]

You're welcome Anne... Yes it's been a fun ride! We've all gained alot of good friends along the way. SuziAnne Bird <irishfox99@...> wrote: Happy Birthday Hawk!!! I have been a member since almost the beginning. When I joined, thank you Suzie, there were only 35 members and look at the

membership now. I have learned a lot from Hawk along the way and am thankful. Thank you.! Anne TX __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Thanks Gayla.. even though it isn't really a birthday.. But when we started.. I hope by 5 years we'd be 500... and here we are not even 4 and we're almost there... And all the nice folks we've come to know along our way.Gayla <aeranch@...> wrote: Happy 3 1/2th birthday HAWK!!!! Gayla __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

thanks Ev... and yes there are alot of presents in the files.. <autumn3scorpio@...> wrote: Ditto that! And thanks for the birthday gifts to US!! Ev Happy 3 1/2th birthday HAWK!!!! Gayla Suzi

List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Sure does Janet.. seems like just last year or so.. lolJanet <dragonhealing@...> wrote: WOW time flies doesn’t it? Janet __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Wow, time flies!

Happy birthday Hawk family! Let's celebrate.

Glad we have presents always waiting for us in the files.

hugs,

carolg

>

> Happy 3 1/2th birthday HAWK!!!!

> Gayla

> Always Enough Ranch

> Acampo, California

> http://bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenough.html

> aeranch@...

>

> OFF TOPIC

>

>

> HAWK was started on April 14, 2004... We are 3 and 1/2 yrs old..

and we are at 495 members... Just thought you'd all like to know

that...

> Suzi

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>

>

> Suzi

> List Owner

> health/

> http://360./suziesgoats

> What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been

discovered.

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[Guest guest]

I don’t remember when I joined. But

it was one of the best things I’ve ever done!

BTW, any updates on Don? (For the

newbies, Don started the list and was our fearless leader for years…then

got too busy and gave it to Suzi, who has help from /Guido, Janet and Gayla

(I think!).)

Sharyn

From:

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HAWK was started on April 14, 2004... We are 3 and 1/2 yrs old.. and we

are at 495 members... Just thought you'd all like to know that...

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Actually Sharyn, Don & I started it together (I kind of coned him into it... lol) and got Janet on board immediately and shortly after. Don is doing good... I know he is still alive and busy.. and looking for a place in the country... and still studying... He sent me an invite to I believe it's call the American Monk.... I haven't gotten time to read it all yet... SuziPS... your thinking is correct... lol"Sharyn E. Cerniglia" <sharyncern@...> wrote: I don’t remember when I joined. But it was one of the best things I’ve ever done! BTW, any updates on Don? (For the newbies, Don started the list and was our fearless leader for years…then got too busy and gave it to Suzi, who has help from /Guido, Janet and Gayla (I

think!).) Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Feels like I've known you all forever. Luv ya!!! Peace, love, laughter "We cannot really love anybody with whom we never laugh."Gayla <aeranch@...> wrote: Happy 3 1/2th birthday HAWK!!!! Gayla . __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Excellent, Anne. Thanks Peace, love, laughter “Do you understand what I am saying?” “If I ever do, I absolutely insist you have me committed.” Anne Bird <irishfox99@...> wrote: Dear all,Below are some nice quotes from Mark Twain: . __________________________________________________

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Send a blank email to low dose naltrexone-unsubscribe or

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Hope this helps

mjh

Posted by: "Kathy Lintzenich" hands-on-healing@... mykittypaws

Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:54 pm (PST)

Clear Day Can someone please tell me how to unsubscribe.? It doesn't work by hitting the unsubscribe button at the end of each e-mail. I've tried at least 50 times. I get a confirmation that I'm unsubscribed but still keep getting mail. I need a break from the group to focus on some important family matters and I can't seem to figure out how to exit without asking. Thanks in advance!Kathy LintzenichFashion Consultantfashionobsessedcomcast (DOT) netStart the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

Hi Cooky,what are you looking for....further information on how

micoplasma was spread here and in the U.S in the late 40ies and 50ies?

If so I might be able to dredge spmething up as our access to

information act gives us the right to go digging.The question would

be....Where the heck do I find it? "

C Stonkey wrote:

> HI,

>

> Any of the Canadian friends on this board know how I can get some

> political

> information. If you are willing I will send the article I would like to

> confirm.

>

> Thanks,

>

> cooky

>

>

[Guest guest]

SCIENTIFIC FACTS VERSUS FICTION

ABOUT MYCOPLASMA

Aristo Vojdani, Ph.D., M.T.

INTRODUCTION

Members of the genus Mycoplasma are the smallest organisms lacking cell walls

that are capable of self-replication and cause various diseases in humans,

animals, and plants.

Seven different species of mycoplasma have been associated with various

infections in humans. The earliest reports of mycoplasma infectious agents in

humans appeared in the 1930s, 1940s and finally, in the early 1960s. The

definite relationship between Mycoplasma pneumoniae and the primary atypical

pneumoniae was established.

Mycoplasma pneumoniae

Today, M.pneumoniae remains an important cause of pneumonia and other airway

disorders such as tracheobronchitis and pharyngitis. This organism is also

associated with extrapulmonary manifestations such as hematopoietic, joint,

central nervous system, liver, pancreas and cardiovascular syndromes.

Mycoplasma genitalium

M.genitalium was originally isolated from urethral specimens of two men with

nongonococcal urethritis. This organism could be involved in pelvic

inflammatory disease. A DNA probe hybridization assay has indicated that

M.genitalium was present in urogenital specimens collected from 60% of male

homosexual patients with recurrent or persistent nongonococcal urethritis and

22% of heterosexual men with recurrent urethritis, compared with 9% of men

without urethritis.

Ureaplasma urealyticum

Ureaplasma urealyticum is considered to be a commensal organism in the lower

genital tract of sexually-active women and has been found at a colonization rate

of 40 to 80%. In some colonized pregnant women, ureaplasmas have been

considered to be a cause of chorioamnionitis and premature delivery. They are

frequently transmitted from mothers to their infants, and this may cause various

diseases which includes pneumonia, persistent pulmonary hypertension, chronic

infection of the central nervous system and bronchopulmonary dysplasia.

Mycoplasma fermentans, M. pirum, M. hominis, and M.penetrans

Mycoplasma fermentans, M. pirum, M. hominis, and M. penetrans have been proposed

as human pathogens and possible cofactors in HIV infection. These organisms may

contribute to the variation in the time from infection with HIV to the

development of AIDS symptoms.

Mycoplasma fermentans (incognitus)

Mycoplasma fermentans is considered to be a commensal in the human mucosal

tissues and has often been found in saliva and oropharyngeal of 45% of healthy

adults. Also, M. fermentans organisms have been isolated from the human

urogenital tract and are suspected of invading host tissues from a site of

mucosal colonization.

Although mycoplasmas are recognized primarily as extracellular parasites or

pathogens of mucosal surfaces, recent evidence suggests that certain species may

invade the host cells.

The molecular and cellular bases for the invasion of M. fermentans from

mucosal cells to the bloodstream and its colonization of blood remain unknown.

Also, it remains unclear whether M. fermentans infection of white blood cells

is transient, intermittent or persistent. It is not clear how these stages

influence any disease progression. The invasion of host blood cells by M.

fermentans is due to inhibition of phagocytosis by a variety of mechanisms,

including antiphagocytic proteins such as proteases, phospholipases and by

oxygen radicals produced by mycoplasmas.

Mycoplasma fermentans is capable of fusing with lymphocytes and changing their

immunological characteristics.

Mycoplasma fermentans cells are able to fuse with Tlymphocytes and change

their characteristic of cytokine production. By electron microscopy we have

been able to show that M. fermentans can indeed fuse with CD4 (Molt-3) cells and

induce production of proinflammatory cytokines such as IL-6 and tumor necrosis

factor alpha.

Prevalence of M. fermentans in patients with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS)

and comparison with healthy subjects

Using PCR and genetic probes, we were able to demonstrate that between 30 and

35% of CFS patients and 4 to 8% of healthy controls do carry the Mycoplasma

fermentans genome in their peripheral blood mononuclear cells.

While PCR and genetic probes are rapid and sensitive methods for detecting M.

fermentans in clinical specimens, the clinical significance of this organism in

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome should be determined by further research studies.

We emphasize that M. fermentans is not the etiologic agent for Chronic Fatigue

Syndrome. It may serve as a cofactor in the induction of cytokines and other

immune abnormalities found in CFS. These abnormalities may compromise the

immune system, allowing other agents, whether they be biological, chemical, or

both, to exert an effect resulting in symptomatology shown in CFIDS. Therefore,

if the genome of this bacteria is detected in the blood cells of patients with

chronic illnesses, treatment with antibiotics may be the logical step for its

elimination from the blood.

Mycoplasmafermentans in Persian Gulf War veterans

Due to the similarity of symptoms in patients of Gulf War Syndrome and Chronic

Fatigue Syndrome, we applied the PCR and genetic probe methodologies to the

blood samples of the soldiers and found a similar percentage (32%) to be

positive for the M. fermentans genome. Since the percent detection of M.

fermentans genome in Persian Gulf War Syndrome is similar to that of Chronic

Fatigue, we believe that M. fermentans is a cofactor and not the major cause of

illness in the soldiers of the Persian Gulf War.

Claims that HIV genome was inserted in mycoplasma fermentans are unfounded.

In one study, it was suggested that pathogenic mycoplasma genomes were

genetically manipulated, and part of the HIV genome was inserted into M.

fermentans causing a large number of disease cases among veterans. To prove or

disprove this claim, we attempted to amplify various regions of the HIV genome

by using primers specific for different regions of the HIV genome in the PCR

assay. We also utilized the extremely sensitive method of Southern Blot

analysis with probes specific for the HIV genome. Using both methodologies we

found no portion of the HIV genome among DNA samples of Gulf War veterans who

were infected with mycoplasma. In all cases, we found that only the M.

fermentans-specific probe reacted with the DNA samples and the specific probe of

HIV did not react. The results of this experiment clearly indicate that the

above claim regarding insertion of the HIV genome into M. fermentans is

scientifically unfounded.

Mycoplasma and rheumatoid arthritis

The occurrence of various mycoplasma and ureaplasma species in joint tissues

of patients with rheumatoid arthritis and other human arthritides can no longer

be ignored.

M. fermentans was suggested more than 20 years ago as a cause of rheumatoid

arthritis (RA) on the basis of isolation from synovial fluids of a few patients.

Recently, with PCR methodology, the M. fermentans genome was found in 40% of

synovial biopsy specimens and in 21% of joints of patients with rheumatoid

arthritis respectively. This genome was also found in 20% of patients with

spondyloarthropathy and psoriatic arthritis and in 13% of patients with

unclassified arthritis.

M. fermentans was not detected in any specimens from patients with reactive

arthritis, chronic juvenile arthritis, osteoarthritis or gouty arthritis.

Minocycline in rheumatoid arthritis

In two recently-published independent randomized trials, rheumatoid arthritis

patients were treated with 100 mg of oral minocycline twice daily or a placebo

for a period of 26 weeks. In the minocycline group, more minocycline-treated

patients than placebo showed greater than 75% improvement in swollen joint

count, tender joint count and in clinical parameters such as serum C-reactive

protein (CRP) level and erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR). In these studies,

the intergroup differences were statistically significant for these findings and

the mean changes over time revealed continual improvement in the

minocycline-treated patients during the entire period of both studies.

This and other presently-available data on minocycline therapy in rheumatoid

arthritis suggest that such treatment may be considered along with

disease-modifying anti-rheumatic drugs such as methotrexate, sulfasalazine, gold

salts and hydroxychloroquine. However, additional clinical research is

necessary to document the long-term efficacy of minocycline in the decreased

progression of joint destruction. We believe that such long-term study about

the efficacy of minocycline should be conducted on patients who are positive for

mycoplasma and chlamydia genome (since we detect the chlamydia trachomatis

genome in blood and joint fluid of 20% of patients with rheumatoid arthritis)

and not by random selection of arthritis patients. Such selection or comparison

between mycoplasma- and chlamydia-positive patients with mycoplasma- and

chlamydia-negative individuals may further increase the clinical efficacy of

minocycline or doxycycline in future double-blind placebo studies.

The eradication of the pathogenic mycoplasmas from blood and various tissue

sites requires an intact functional immune system, which most patients with

chronic illnesses do not possess. Therefore, immune enhancement strategies

along with prolonged drug therapy may help to eliminate mycoplasma from the

human body.

Drs. Baseman and Tully, in Emerging Infectious Diseases, Volume3,

January-March, 1997, concluded that " the available data and proposed hypotheses

that correlate mycoplasmas with disease pathogenesis range from definitive,

provocative and titillating to inconclusive, confusing and heretical.

Controversy seems to be a recurrent companion of mycoplasmas, yet good science

and open-mindedness should overcome the legacy that has burdened them for

decades. "

Importance of measuring IgG and IgM antibodies against mycoplasma fermentans

We have developed a specific ELISA assay for measurement of antibodies against

mycoplasma fermentans and compared the results to the presence of DNA in the

blood. We found that only in about 60% of cases where M. fermentans was

positive, antibodies to M. fermentans antigens were elevated significantly. In

the other 40% in which the genome was positive, IgG and IgM antibodies were not

detected. This may be due to the nature of the M. fermentans cell invasion, the

inhibition of phagocytosis, and the lack of immune response to this organism in

these individuals.

On the contrary, in about 20% of cases, the M. fermentans genome was absent

but antibodies of IgG and IgM isotype were detected in their blood.

The absence of M. fermentans DNA from blood cells and the simultaneous

presence of antibodies to this mycoplasma in the serum of the same patients

suggests chronic infection of other tissues or cells with Mycoplasma fermentans.

Another possibility is that these antibodies are cross-reactive in their nature.

This means that antibodies produced against collagen, cartilage, and thyroid in

some patients with autoimmune disease may cross-react with mycoplasma antigens

and give false positive results. For this reason, we measured antibodies

against synthesized peptides corresponding to M. fermentans and were able to

reduce the degree of cross-reactivity.

Gold standard for detection of mycoplasmas

The polymerase chain reaction (PCR) for detection of mycoplasma genomes is

still the gold standard.

However, confirmation of PCR should be done by southern blot and molecular

probes in order to decrease the rate of false positivity and improve false

negativity.

Antibodies (IgG, IgM and IgA) against peptide-specific mycoplasma should be

performed simultaneously.

As no diagnostic tool is 100% accurate, we suggest that PCR, molecular probe,

and IgG, IgM, and IgA antibodies should all be performed to gain the most

accurate result.

If you need further information or you wish to add to our scientific

knowledge, feel free to contact us.

It is certain that physicians’ access to this revolutionary technology

will lead to early diagnosis of infectious diseases

and improvement in patient care.

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lynneandsantos <lynneandsantos@...> wrote: Hi Cooky,what are

you looking for....further information on how

micoplasma was spread here and in the U.S in the late 40ies and 50ies?

If so I might be able to dredge spmething up as our access to

information act gives us the right to go digging.The question would

be....Where the heck do I find it? "

C Stonkey wrote:

> HI,

>

> Any of the Canadian friends on this board know how I can get some

> political

> information. If you are willing I will send the article I would like to

> confirm.

>

> Thanks,

>

> cooky

>

>

[Guest guest]

No.I will send you the email I received. I just don't want to send it to the

whole group because it is politically degrading. But we are having elections

for a new president next year and this person is one of the candidates. I

will send it separately so look for it now.

thanks

cooky

_____

From: rheumatic [mailto:rheumatic ] On Behalf

Of lynneandsantos

Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:51 PM

rheumatic

Subject: Re: rheumatic off topic

Hi Cooky,what are you looking for....further information on how

micoplasma was spread here and in the U.S in the late 40ies and 50ies?

If so I might be able to dredge spmething up as our access to

information act gives us the right to go digging.The question would

be....Where the heck do I find it? "

C Stonkey wrote:

> HI,

>

> Any of the Canadian friends on this board know how I can get some

> political

> information. If you are willing I will send the article I would like to

> confirm.

>

> Thanks,

>

> cooky

>

>

[Guest guest]

I tried it for only one month, and didn't notice anything. The doctor

said he was not suprised, but that Naltraxone would slow down the

progression of my

autoimmune disease.

Amy

leonie cent wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Has anyone heard of or tried Low Dose Naltrexone therapy for

> auto-immune conditions ? I considered it for a while, and am now

> wondering whether the AP and LDN can be done together at the same time

> ? I thought it might be beneficial as it helps the immune system fight

> off the mycoplasmas.

>

> Best,

>

> ~Leonie

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have a dear friend in Arizona, Gold Canyon ZIP 85218 that is desperate to

find a physician that will work with them and not go zonkers if they use

supplements.

These people are on Medicare and unfortunately some Holistic practitioners are

just too expensive for Medicare patients.

So, if you have any suggestions for this area, please write me personally:

JCastron1@...

Thanks,

Joe C.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello all!! I havent posted on here for a few months. I have alot of

> catching up to do.

> I wanted to let you all know that I have decided to pursue another

> medication for my MS. LDN is a wonderful medication but it just isnt

> working for me. I have had 2 relapses since January. They seem to be

> worse each time. I have alos developed black holes on my brain.

These

> are not good. I am currently on a drug called Campath. It is FDA

> approved for B cell lukemia. I am part of the study to get it

approved

> for MS. If it works like its suppose to I willl be CURED in 2 years

at

> the longest. Yep I said CURED. I am only on day 2 of my 5

673

day infusion

> and so far I am doing great.

> LDN has done wonderful things for my daughter, my mother and my

> grandmother. I still believe in LDN and continue to reccomend it to

> everyone I come in touch with. Thank you so much for all the help

you

> have given me. If any of you are intersted in know how the campath

> study is going please feel free to email me and I will let you know

> how it is effecting my personal MS and what other people in the

study

> are experiencing. My email is nicknamedjaylo@...

>

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