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I felt somewhat uncomfortable about my naturopath

selling supplements - In fact he has a very successful

health food store.

However, when I consider how much time he spent , and

the tests he did, vs. how much he charged for his time

and supplements, he really didn't make out that well .

.. . Nothing compared to conventional docs - especially

plastic surgeons!

Rogene

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Every single holistic doc I have seen, without exception, sells their own

supplements. It is ridiculous to think of it as a conflict. Not only is it

a convenience, it is safer. I know I am getting the exact supplement my

doctor wants me to have. My ND insists on pharmaceutical grade

supplements. The companies he does business with do not sell to the public.

He cannot guarantee the quality of any product from other sources.

Kenda

> uh...not really...many good holistic doctors are not going to be

> selling supplements that they profit from...that's pretty much a

> conflict.

>

> they might tell folks what supplements they need....but don't sell

> them.

>

> cindi

>

>

>>>

>>> Sherry, I'm not trying to stir up a bees nest here, but I just

>> want

>>> to point out that you defend all other doctors to the nth

> degree,

>>> and this statement about Dr. Kolb is interesting because she is

>> one

>>> of the few who is skilled and willing to help us, and believes

>>> implants make us sick, and you're questioning her motives - yet

> in

>>> your eyes all other doctors have no motives. I'm not angry about

>>> your statement, but your posts confuse me sometimes.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> __________________________________________________

>>

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I agree completely! I buy some of mine from myhealthfirst.com. He has the

best prices on some of the supplements I use.

Kenda

>

> You know as well as I do that the medical profession (allopathic)

> does not think the same way we do and tends to put down doctors who

> are holistic. It has always been this way. So criticizing them

> selling supplements is a way to put them down.

>

> I do trust my holistic practitioners to tell me what they think is

> best for me to take. Sometimes I get my products from them and

> sometimes I go on line for better prices, when the products are

> available there.

>

> Lynda

>

> At 10:10 AM 6/6/2006, you wrote:

>

>> No, no, no. This is wrong. Every holistic doctor I have been to

>> sells supplements! They don't give out prescriptions...they sell

>> you what they are recommending right then and there. Herbals,

>> homeopathics, vitamins, glandulars.... I've experienced this in

>> Tucson AZ, as well as Las Vegas, NV and I have no doubt it occurs in

>> every other state that holistic practitioners work.

>>

>> I see no conflict of interest there at all. In fact, I trust that

>> they are giving me what they think will work for me. If they are

>> going to be my doctor, I am trusting them to provide good quality

>> supplements.

>>

>> If you also will remember, there are a number of products, such as

>> those by Thorne Research, that are ONLY available through health

>> care professionals. You can't go out and buy them yourself in most cases.

>> Patty

>>

>>

>>

>> cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote:

>> uh...not really...many good holistic doctors are not going to be

>> selling supplements that they profit from...that's pretty much a

>> conflict.

>>

>> they might tell folks what supplements they need....but don't sell

>> them.

>>

>> cindi

>>

>>

>>>>

>>>> Sherry, I'm not trying to stir up a bees nest here, but I just

>>> want

>>>> to point out that you defend all other doctors to the nth

>> degree,

>>>> and this statement about Dr. Kolb is interesting because she is

>>> one

>>>> of the few who is skilled and willing to help us, and believes

>>>> implants make us sick, and you're questioning her motives - yet

>> in

>>>> your eyes all other doctors have no motives. I'm not angry about

>>>> your statement, but your posts confuse me sometimes.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> __________________________________________________

>>>

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Cyndi

I was going to a kinesiologist-chiropractor for a while who was

selling me supplements - I was getting worse and not better and

found that I didn't trust him, and that he was making money from my

naivety. However, now I am treating with Dr. Leu, Kenda's ND, and

he sells his own supplements. But they are working for me,

including the thyroid medicine. I think I have been undiagnosed

hypothryoid for years, and now feel soooo much better. I was 20

pounds overweight, despite dieting and exercise, and my teeth too,

have been rotting from the inside. My dentist recently called in

his assistant just to show them my teeth, stating that scraping them

was like cutting butter. I am very thankful for the thyroid med and

the docs recommendation.

Not starting an argument, just wanted to point out I know where you

are coming from, and the element of trust has to be there for you to

have successful treatment with a doc.

Cherie

> >

> > No, no, no. This is wrong. Every holistic doctor I have been

to

> sells supplements! They don't give out prescriptions...they sell

you

> what they are recommending right then and there. Herbals,

homeopathics,

> vitamins, glandulars.... I've experienced this in Tucson AZ, as

well as

> Las Vegas, NV and I have no doubt it occurs in every other state

that

> holistic practitioners work.

>

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It breaks my heart everytime I see my mother. She

wants to die so badly . . . and I can't blame her. I

don't believe I could stand living the way she does.

She leaves her room only for doctors visits, or a

visit to my sis's . . . She won't go to the dining

room or to recreational activities because she does

not want to see people in worse condition than she is

- and doesn't want people to see the way she looks.

She's so doped up - a pain patch, extra pain meds at

night, plus four tranquilizers . . . a bunch of other

junk! . . . She's skin and bones . . . can't eat more

than a few bites because of a hernia. She's too frail

to repair that too. Because of her knee pain, it threw

her gait out of balance and damaged her other knee as

well as her hip. Just elevating her feet makes her hip

hurt. It's awful! . . .

I've offered to bring her here . . . we built a room

for her just in case. . . But she wants to stay close

to my sis. They've always been closer than she and I

though - so I guess that's to be expected.

Hopefully I won't have to go there myself one day!

It takes a lot of courage to get that old!

Rogene

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--- Sherry, that is such a tough situation. I am sorry that is all

happening to you. I wish I could smuggle all you American ladies

into Canada and have you all covered with Medical Insurance. I am

grateful for that here. Even though my surgery is called " elective "

the health care system will still pay for it. That tells me they

know implants are causing problems. I am just happy to be having my

surgery so soon. I thought I would have to wait a year or so. July

26th can't come soon enough for me!

I wish you wellness & peace, Sherry,

Sunny :)

In , _00_ <5678@...> wrote:

>

> I plan it but not until late 2007. I am a crime victim and as the

former president and CEO of a publicly-held corporation, I hold the

fiduciary obligations of the costs of those crimes. The Statute of

Limitations expires in June of next year which will be the first

time that I am permitted to earn any income. I have no possible way

to afford the surgery prior unless someone accepts Medicare and my

secondary insurance.

>

> When I emailed Dr. Melmed with my details, he replied that he would

not expect any improvement in my symptoms with explantation. It has

been suggested that he doesn't want me to come to him as a patient

and this was a way to discourage me....

> Sherry

> Re: thyroid issues

>

>

> And so you plan explant?

>

> Also..someone mentioned that the doctor...Kolb?....kept her

implants

> in...and i was curious as to why she made that decision. anybody?

> cindi

>

>

>

> > >

> > > No one in my family has auto immune illness either. I

was

> well,

> > then

> > > immediately almost died from a rupture. My health went

> downhill

> > so

> > > fast, not anyone would have doubted the cause.

> > >

> > > Autoimmne illness may be on the rise, but my cause and

> effect was

> > obvious.

> > >

> > > Your denial is so apparent, I wonder why you are on this

> > > site?????????? Are you seeking answers, are you in doubt

of

> your

> > own

> > > decisions, or are you out to prove you can keep your

> implants and

> > be

> > > safe????? I am really getting confused, but wonder if

this

> is the

> > > site for you.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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--- Sherry, I have successfully treated pneumonia with Oil of

Oregano, which is stronger than most antibiotics without the side

effects. Also, garlic is a natural antibiotic. There are many

natural remedies that work...have you studied herbology, or

researched these methods and seen the scientific testing done, etc.?

I think if you were informed re: these methods, you may be more

accepting. I took some courses in , B.C. using the Master

Cleanse - people came to him with 6 months to live, on several

occasions - and after being on this cleanse, and some color therapy

and colon lifting, they regained their health and went on to live

happy lives, many of them returned to their physicians and were

laughed at or told they were simply in remission. There's alot to be

said about natural foods and the way my elderly Ukrainian mother puts

it, " there's nothing like my garden vegetables! " Straight from the

earth to the table - lots of life-giving nutrients there. Anyway,

Sherry, I just pray that we all can work together. I have seen first

hand, having worked with herbalists and being a holistic practitioner

myself, many so-called miracles happen - when you feed the body

proper nutrition, it can heal itself! I know there are circumstances

where " western " medicine and/or surgergy is required. I myself have

had 2 life-saving surgeries. And my 6 yr. old grandson has had

9 corrective surgeries for hydronephrosis - we have used the holistic

approach with him - surgery, nutritional therapy, prayer...he wasn't

supposed to be born, then we were told he would die before 2 yrs.

old. His specialists are thrilled with his " miraculous " success and

said to my son and his wife, " whatever you're doing, keep it up! "

Now, that's working together!

Take good care of yourself,

Sunny :)

In , _00_ <5678@...> wrote:

>

> Who will you call if you develop a severe bilateral pneumonia?

Herbs won't help......

> Sherry

> Re: thyroid issues

>

>

> I don't plan on having appendicitis. ;-)

>

> Actually, i don't have a problem with surgeons...the ones i've

had

> contact with do good work.

>

> To be honest, it's the regular MDS...taught mostly how to

prescribe

> drugs..which then make us sick...and then they can prescribe more

> drugs. nothing taught anymore about nutrition and wellness and

> preventative care. no natural remedies. Not all their

fault...the

> FDA has made stating a natural rememdy a crime. it's all about

the

> $$$. our health care system is not about good health - it's

about

> sickness.

>

> But i honestly don't know what a regular MD could do for me other

> than prescribe a drug..and i've been hurt by those.

> I thought my experience of a doc never ever helping in 25 years

was

> an exception until i joined my thyroid forum..and found it's not

> uncommon. Just my opinion. no offense intended to you.

>

> Cindi

>

>

>

> > > I am clueless as to why anyone thinks I'm in denial.

> > >

> > > Repeat: implants are bad....they might trigger

autoimmune

> > disease

> > > or worsen existing autoimmune disease, etc.

> > >

> > > I just think that telling me i'm a ticking time bomb

and

> must

> > go

> > > explant now is ludicrous and irresponsible. And anyone

> > alluding

> > > that my thyroid problems are implant related just

aren't

> > listening.

> > >

> > > I had thyroid problems years and years before implants.

> > >

> > > Implant surgery may have further dropped my thyroid

> hormone

> > levels

> > > and showed the severity of my already existing

> Hashimoto's.

> > >

> > > My thyroid gland is damaged and fibrous and non-

> functioning

> > from

> > > Hashi's, not implants.

> > >

> > > Removing my implants would not in any way restore my

> thyroid

> > > function. the gland is damaged. That damage can not

be

> > repaired.

> > >

> > > I am healthy and happy and well pleased with my

implants.

> I

> > am on

> > > full thyroid hormone replacement with full resolution

of

> > symptoms of

> > > Hashi's.

> > >

> > > Why would anyone tell me to go get surgery for a non-

> existent

> > > problem?

> > >

> > > Are you so angry at your own choices that you want

> everyone

> > else to

> > > be sick?

> > >

> > > Look...i'm all about Informed consent. And Breast

> implants

> > are Not

> > > going to go away. ain't gonna happen. too much money

in

> it,

> > too

> > > many vain folks. So there should totally be informed

> consent

> > about

> > > what can happen. And then folks must allow others to

make

> > their own

> > > choices. The advice here for me to go explant because

I

> just

> > might

> > > get sick later on is...well...weird.

> > >

> > >

> > > i have mentioned why I am on the site.

> > > Googling something else one night..and this site came

> up..and

> > I was

> > > curious when i saw how the symptoms were the same as

> > Hashi's...and

> > > since i have both hashi's/implants...i lurked

> around...because

> > I

> > > have seen so many women thinking their problems were

> something

> > else

> > > other than just not enough thyroid hormone...and i was

> > wondering if

> > > that was happening here.

> > >

> > > But don't worry..when the conversation dies down, I'll

> leave.

> > i was

> > > just curious.

> > > Cindi

> > >

> > >

> > > --- In , Lynda <coss@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > No one in my family has auto immune illness either.

I

> was

> > well,

> > > then

> > > > immediately almost died from a rupture. My health

went

> > downhill

> > > so

> > > > fast, not anyone would have doubted the cause.

> > > >

> > > > Autoimmne illness may be on the rise, but my cause

and

> > effect was

> > > obvious.

> > > >

> > > > Your denial is so apparent, I wonder why you are on

this

> > > > site?????????? Are you seeking answers, are you in

> doubt of

> > your

> > > own

> > > > decisions, or are you out to prove you can keep your

> > implants and

> > > be

> > > > safe????? I am really getting confused, but wonder

if

> this

> > is the

> > > > site for you.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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--- Sherry, I know you're going through a rough time...I'm concerned

about your emotional state, as your messages are sounding quite harsh

and stern. Would it be possible to soften your heart and join me in

my pain, and comfort one another, instead of taking such a " doctor "

stance...although I am grateful for your professional info, it would

be healing to just try to be " with " us as sisters in wellness-

seeking - woman to woman - heart to heart. I empathize with your

financial situation...I do not have the same $$$ figure with my

debts, but I do have stress in that area. Where do you live, by the

way? I didn't catch your location.

Love 'n Peace To You,

Sunny :)

In , _00_ <5678@...> wrote:

>

> I have great difficulty reading this list when people make

grandiose statements as factual rather than possible. Regarding Dr.

Kolb, the pricing for her highly controversial detox procedures is

worrisome.

> Sherry

>

> Re: thyroid issues

>

>

> Sherry, I'm not trying to stir up a bees nest here, but I just

want

> to point out that you defend all other doctors to the nth degree,

> and this statement about Dr. Kolb is interesting because she is

one

> of the few who is skilled and willing to help us, and believes

> implants make us sick, and you're questioning her motives - yet

in

> your eyes all other doctors have no motives. I'm not angry about

> your statement, but your posts confuse me sometimes.

>

> Sis

>

>

> > >

> > > I have some trouble with this one...............

> >

>

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---I found this to be true, also. I prefer to buy mine from

Herbalife Canada, as I have tried so many brands over the years and

find these products to work amazingly. It's kick-butt nutrition,

tested in labs, and made from high quality " food " - lots of doctors

and scientists on their board. It takes out the guess work for me

when I go to health food stores, plus alot of the products sold on

the shelves have fillers in them. Dr. is an MD and all her

patients are on the products. That's what I call progressive and

really wanting to help people not suffer. I've always believed that

if you feed your body what it needs to multiply healthy cells, it

will regenerate. Ofcourse, with our symptoms we have to do whatever

it takes to get through. I would definitely not want to go through

surgery without morphine!!! lol

Have a blessed day, everyone!

Love, Sunny :)

In , Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...>

wrote:

>

> No, no, no. This is wrong. Every holistic doctor I have been to

sells supplements! They don't give out prescriptions...they sell you

what they are recommending right then and there. Herbals,

homeopathics, vitamins, glandulars.... I've experienced this in

Tucson AZ, as well as Las Vegas, NV and I have no doubt it occurs in

every other state that holistic practitioners work.

>

> I see no conflict of interest there at all. In fact, I trust

that they are giving me what they think will work for me. If they

are going to be my doctor, I am trusting them to provide good quality

supplements.

>

> If you also will remember, there are a number of products, such

as those by Thorne Research, that are ONLY available through health

care professionals. You can't go out and buy them yourself in most

cases.

> Patty

>

>

>

> cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote:

> uh...not really...many good holistic doctors are not

going to be

> selling supplements that they profit from...that's pretty much a

> conflict.

>

> they might tell folks what supplements they need....but don't sell

> them.

>

> cindi

>

>

> > >

> > > Sherry, I'm not trying to stir up a bees nest here, but I just

> > want

> > > to point out that you defend all other doctors to the nth

> degree,

> > > and this statement about Dr. Kolb is interesting because she is

> > one

> > > of the few who is skilled and willing to help us, and believes

> > > implants make us sick, and you're questioning her motives - yet

> in

> > > your eyes all other doctors have no motives. I'm not angry

about

> > > your statement, but your posts confuse me sometimes.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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Sunny . . .

I think your message is beautiful! . . . You are so

caring and so strong! You're going to get yourself,

and a lot more women through this nightmare!

Love,

Rogene

--- Sunny <wellnessnow@...> wrote:

> --- Sherry, I know you're going through a rough

> time...I'm concerned

> about your emotional state, as your messages are

> sounding quite harsh

> and stern. Would it be possible to soften your

> heart and join me in

> my pain, and comfort one another, instead of taking

> such a " doctor "

> stance...although I am grateful for your

> professional info, it would

> be healing to just try to be " with " us as sisters in

> wellness-

> seeking - woman to woman - heart to heart. I

> empathize with your

> financial situation...I do not have the same $$$

> figure with my

> debts, but I do have stress in that area. Where do

> you live, by the

> way? I didn't catch your location.

>

> Love 'n Peace To You,

>

> Sunny :)

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Dave, from what I have learned, my gallbladder issues may be in part

due to my food allergies. And I think my food allergies may be due

to my candida problem which is also causing me to be hypothyroid. So

it seems that the root cause of many of my problems is the candida.

Does this make sense to you?

My plan is to work on my mercury removal and candida problem

simultaneously as I understand many people cannot overcome a candida

problem if they have a mercury problem.

My hope is that if I can get my candida problem whipped, then my

thyroid/adrenal problems will diminish. While I am working on my

candida problem, do you have recommendations for thyroid and adrenal

support that are food, supplements, etc? I want to stay away from

prescription medications if I can.

Thanks so much!

>

> 30+ years in the industry, 15 years of a full time practice, 10+

years teaching Natural health, clinical herbology, and applied

kinesiology for professionals in community colleges and private

venues. Liver/gallbladder detox/protection/support are far more

important in the long run than the herbs mentioned. But when it

comes to stopping the discomfort these will probably be the fastest.

Always, in all ways, -Dave

> Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in my

side

>

>

> where do you get all of this Dave?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi There,

The allergies may be in part due to your gallbladder issues too. Your

candida may be due in part to your food allergies. Your gallbladder issues may

be due in part to your thyroid dysfunction. Removal of mercury is a spectacular

idea. there have been recent posts inquiring about the best chelating agents

and it is beginning to look hands down that these would be zeolites

(clinoptolite). I have just recently been on a conference call with Dr. Lynn

Hanshew (goggle her) in regards this. Doubtful that just the elimination of

candida will straiten out endocrine function. This is pandemic in North

American culture due to stress amongst other things. Lots of endocrine support

will benefit all of the above issues. Thyroid /adrenals: Saw palmetto,

licorice, prickly ash bark, black cohosh or sheng ma, ho shu wu, rhodiola,

epemedium leaf, ginsengs, Chinese wolfberry, schizandra, any of the other

adaptogens, ad nauseum. While thyroid hormone will " balance " serum levels it

does nothing for the problem. Better to do the above so that your pituitary and

thyroid balance it out themselves. There is a communication pathway which is

chronically out of whack in Americans these days called the HPA axis or

hypothalamus/pituitary/adrenal axis. The endocrine system behaves as one organ

with different satellites with different functions around the body. This is why

you see saw palmetto at the front of the list even though the supposed big use

for it at the moment is for BPH (benign prostate hypertrophy). It is great for

that but is probably the number one herb for all parts of the endocrine system.

Hope this helps, -D

Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in my

side

>

>

> where do you get all of this Dave?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Dave, this does help very much. Although just recently diagnosed as

hypothyroid (I am 47 a year old male), I think that I have had this

condition most of my life and just never knew it.

My real question is what caused it? How much did mercury pay a

part? I had vaccinations as a child. I also had mercury fillings

(just removed last year). Does mercury pass from a mother to child?

My mom was loaded with mercury as well.

What are the other likely causes of life-long hypothyroid?

Thanks so much for your thoughts on this!

> >

> > 30+ years in the industry, 15 years of a full time practice,

10+

> years teaching Natural health, clinical herbology, and applied

> kinesiology for professionals in community colleges and private

> venues. Liver/gallbladder detox/protection/support are far more

> important in the long run than the herbs mentioned. But when it

> comes to stopping the discomfort these will probably be the

fastest.

> Always, in all ways, -Dave

> > Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in my

> side

> >

> >

> > where do you get all of this Dave?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi Fred,

The entire endocrine system is a top down cascade of hormone producing

organs that control metabolism and metabolic functions by chemical trigger. The

thyroid does not do anything until ordered by the pituitary (pituitary produces

TSH which then stimulates the thyroid to produce T3 and T4). Make sure your TSH

(thyroid stimulating hormone) T3 and T4 are all being measured. If they are

only registering T3 and T4 then the problem could be with the pituitary not

thyroid. And visa versa. If they are only measuring TSH all sorts of stupid

assumptions get made. Hard to tell what " caused " it. There are many factors in

play. Can mercury play a part? You betcha. In fact the thyroid has a tendency

to have high concentrations of metals. Always a great idea to get as close to

mercury free as possible. While mercury is an issue in vaccinations, there are

many other important and potentially equally or more unsettling issues with

vaccinations. The immunal response caused may be casing inflammation within the

brain (and endocrine organs which then causes damage. Would recommend checking

out the works of Dr. Rebbeca Carley for a full explaination. Mercury does pass

from mother to child but is dependent on serum levels. If not mobilized from

the mother's tissues it will not transfer. this is why it is not wise to

perform detox procedures when pregnant. As I stated below, the main cause of

endocrine dysfunction in this country is due to stress but other major players

are environment (exposures), lifestyle, and to some extent genetics. You can be

exceptionally successful with improving endocrine function through natural means

it takes a long time though to bring it back into balance. The herbs listed

below along with high quality oils (proper liver and gallbladder function for

digestion, assimilation, and metabolism of such) are excellent in promoting

proper function. All the best, -Dave

Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in my

> side

> >

> >

> > where do you get all of this Dave?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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How big of a role do you think that flouride plays in thyroid

function? I know that flouride use to be used to treat

hyperthyroid. So what happens when someone with a " normal " thyroid

ingests flouride? I would guess it could throw them into a

hypothyroid state?

I understand that the amount that is injected into our public water

systems is more highly concentrated that what was given for

hyperthyroid treatment!

I was just diagnosed as hypothyroid and my son is currently being

tested for such. So I am trying to figure out whether to spend the

money on a R/O drinking water system for our home. And also, should

we use flouride-free toothpaste, possibly endangering the family's

dental health? A tough family decision that we will have to make.

Dave, what is your take on flouride's impact on thyroid health???

Thanks so much.

> > >

> > > 30+ years in the industry, 15 years of a full time practice,

> 10+

> > years teaching Natural health, clinical herbology, and applied

> > kinesiology for professionals in community colleges and private

> > venues. Liver/gallbladder detox/protection/support are far more

> > important in the long run than the herbs mentioned. But when it

> > comes to stopping the discomfort these will probably be the

> fastest.

> > Always, in all ways, -Dave

> > > Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in

my

> > side

> > >

> > >

> > > where do you get all of this Dave?

> > >

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The flouride used to treat the water supplies is a toxic waste product from

industry. 35 times more toxic than cyanide if I remember properly. Fluorine is

essential for strong bone and teeth and is in the fluoride molecule. Because it

is in there does not mean they have the same effect (fluoride will strengthen

teeth); that would be like saying that since there is oxygen in carbon monoxide

that carbon monoxide is a good source of oxygen. Yes it can have a very

suppressive effect on the thyroid shown by the fact that it use to be a

" treatment " for hyperthyroid. These goofballs that put fluoride in toothpaste

don't give a rodent's posterior where they get it from. Fluorine which is

essential, is very high in goat's milk. Horsetail, alfalfa, algaes including

the big stuff like bladderwrack, laminaria (kelp), are also decent sources.

Filtering water is a must if you are in a municipal system. This can then be

further treated energetically in a variety of ways if you wish. Excess

consumption of sugars, deficient and acidifying diet and lifestyle are the

dangers to dental health. but keep in mind they are at the crux of many health

complaints. All the best,

-Dave

Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in

my

> > side

> > >

> > >

> > > where do you get all of this Dave?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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If you are planning on installing a water filtration system in your

home try and get a reverse osmosis system. They have come a long way

with the technology and anything less than reverse osmosis will not

guarantee that you will be removing 100% of the chemicals in the water.

Good luck

F

On Aug 20, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Dave Shelden wrote:

> The flouride used to treat the water supplies is a toxic waste

> product from industry. 35 times more toxic than cyanide if I

> remember properly. Fluorine is essential for strong bone and teeth

> and is in the fluoride molecule. Because it is in there does not

> mean they have the same effect (fluoride will strengthen teeth);

> that would be like saying that since there is oxygen in carbon

> monoxide that carbon monoxide is a good source of oxygen. Yes it can

> have a very suppressive effect on the thyroid shown by the fact that

> it use to be a " treatment " for hyperthyroid. These goofballs that

> put fluoride in toothpaste don't give a rodent's posterior where

> they get it from. Fluorine which is essential, is very high in

> goat's milk. Horsetail, alfalfa, algaes including the big stuff like

> bladderwrack, laminaria (kelp), are also decent sources. Filtering

> water is a must if you are in a municipal system. This can then be

> further treated energetically in a variety of ways if you wish.

> Excess consumption of sugars, deficient and acidifying diet and

> lifestyle are the dangers to dental health. but keep in mind they

> are at the crux of many health complaints. All the best,

>

> -Dave

> Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in

> my

> > > side

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > where do you get all of this Dave?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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I have looked at a an R/O system that is round $500 - $600. It is

suppose to remove 95% of the flouride. It is a bit pricey, but I

will do it if I think it is necessary. That is what I am trying to

figure out. The one thing that concerns me with R/O water is the

fact that is is depleted of minerals. I understand that it has an

acidifying effect on the body which is not good. I suppose that we

can do some things to compensate for that, but most of us are already

too acidic anyway. ...definitely a concern.

Another drinking water option that interests me is one that

supposedly alkalinizes the water. I forget, but maybe they are

called " ionized " water systems. I know that they are a bit

controversial. Some do not believe that they provide the benefits as

advertized. Most are >$1000.

I appreciate any thoughts on the R/O option and the ionized water

option.

Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > 30+ years in the industry, 15 years of a full time practice,

> > > 10+

> > > > years teaching Natural health, clinical herbology, and applied

> > > > kinesiology for professionals in community colleges and

private

> > > > venues. Liver/gallbladder detox/protection/support are far

more

> > > > important in the long run than the herbs mentioned. But when

it

> > > > comes to stopping the discomfort these will probably be the

> > > fastest.

> > > > Always, in all ways, -Dave

> > > > > Re:Dave I'm having really bad pains in

> > my

> > > > side

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > where do you get all of this Dave?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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