Thyroid Issues

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Oh- i guess i assumed she already was sick from them if she was

interested in the subject. that's why it seems so odd to me.

thanks.

i was just reading this...and it sorta goes along with what I

think...there's a genetic predisposition going on for those who have

the problems.

http://record.wustl.edu/archive/1996/04-18-96/3152.html

cindi

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> She may be one of the " lucky ones " that are not ever going to get

sick from them.

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YOu can see her at both Human Adjuvant Disease Corp, which I posted links to already, and also www.plastikos.com Pattycindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: well that's fascinating. does she have a web site..where is she located?cindi>> DR. Kolb considers herself to be an experiment so she can better treat her patients.> (You can ask her, but this is what she indicated to me.)

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I think most of us find this a bit odd, but she's the one dealing with it and seemingly, does a great job of treating others and taking care of herself. She used to be a member of this group until I decided that it was in the best interest of the group not to have any plastic surgeons on board, but you can review some of her earlier posts in the archives. Pattycindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: i thought it was rather odd myself. surely a physician who is convinced of the dangers of implants would not keep them in her own body. i don't see how that allows her to better treat anyone. cindi __________________________________________________

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No, she was sick! That's why she knows about the dangers associated with implants. She had silicone gel and got sick from those....you can read it for yourself. http://www.plastikos.com/silicone.htm http://www.plastikos.com/art-silicone.htm Lamse <wannabe_proverbs31@...> wrote: She may be one of the "lucky ones" that are not ever going to get sick from them.cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: i thought it was rather odd myself. surely a physician who is convinced of the dangers of implants would

not keep them in her own body. i don't see how that allows her to better treat anyone. cindi>> I have some trouble with this one............... __________________________________________________

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Sounds like a poor excuse to me..... surely if she believes they will make her ill, she would not be willing to permit that. It's impossible to function with the degree of fatigue. I don't like this excuse at all......... At the risk of angering everyone, being one of the only games in town for explantation and detox remedies is far more lucrative that sharing augmentations with every other cosmetic surgeon in the nation.

Sherry

Re: thyroid issues

i thought it was rather odd myself. surely a physician who is convinced of the dangers of implants would not keep them in her own body. i don't see how that allows her to better treat anyone. cindi>> I have some trouble with this one...............

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Of course.

Sherry

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I personally think it is her body image and she does not wish to give them up.LyndaAt 04:40 PM 6/5/2006, you wrote:>i thought it was rather odd myself.>surely a physician who is convinced of the dangers of implants would>not keep them in her own body.>i don't see how that allows her to better treat anyone.>cindi>>>> >> > I have some trouble with this one...............>>>>>

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Who will you call if you develop a severe bilateral pneumonia? Herbs won't help......

Sherry

Re: thyroid issues

I don't plan on having appendicitis. ;-)Actually, i don't have a problem with surgeons...the ones i've had contact with do good work. To be honest, it's the regular MDS...taught mostly how to prescribe drugs..which then make us sick...and then they can prescribe more drugs. nothing taught anymore about nutrition and wellness and preventative care. no natural remedies. Not all their fault...the FDA has made stating a natural rememdy a crime. it's all about the $$$. our health care system is not about good health - it's about sickness. But i honestly don't know what a regular MD could do for me other than prescribe a drug..and i've been hurt by those. I thought my experience of a doc never ever helping in 25 years was an exception until i joined my thyroid forum..and found it's not uncommon. Just my opinion. no offense intended to you. Cindi> > >> > > No one in my family has auto immune illness either. I was > well, > > then > > > immediately almost died from a rupture. My health went > downhill > > so > > > fast, not anyone would have doubted the cause.> > > > > > Autoimmne illness may be on the rise, but my cause and > effect was > > obvious.> > > > > > Your denial is so apparent, I wonder why you are on this > > > site?????????? Are you seeking answers, are you in doubt of > your > > own > > > decisions, or are you out to prove you can keep your > implants and > > be > > > safe????? I am really getting confused, but wonder if this > is the > > > site for you.> > > > > > > > > > > >

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Yes, but when she was at the FDA in the early 90's she was still

concerned about symptoms she was having with the saline.

Lynda

At 05:25 PM 6/5/2006, you wrote:

>No, she was sick! That's why she knows about the dangers associated

>with implants. She had silicone gel and got sick from those....you

>can read it for yourself.

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><http://www.plastikos.com/silicone.htm>http://www.plastikos.com/silicone.htm

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>http://www.plastikos.com/art-silicone.htm

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> Lamse <wannabe_proverbs31@...> wrote:

>She may be one of the " lucky ones " that are not ever going to get

>sick from them.

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>cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote:

>i thought it was rather odd myself.

>surely a physician who is convinced of the dangers of implants would

>not keep them in her own body.

>i don't see how that allows her to better treat anyone.

>cindi

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Well, Sherry, that sounds a bit cynical, and is you knew , you

would know it is not true.

She is concerned, but the wholistic things she does has kept symptoms

at bay. If she finds the symptoms take over, she will undoubtedly

have them removed.

I know well enough to know that she is not doing this just to

make $$$$. She really cares about the women.

Lynda

At 05:25 PM 6/5/2006, you wrote:

>Sounds like a poor excuse to me..... surely if she believes they

>will make her ill, she would not be willing to permit that. It's

>impossible to function with the degree of fatigue. I don't like this

>excuse at all......... At the risk of angering everyone, being one

>of the only games in town for explantation and detox remedies is far

>more lucrative that sharing augmentations with every other cosmetic

>surgeon in the nation.

> Sherry

> Re: thyroid issues

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>i thought it was rather odd myself.

>surely a physician who is convinced of the dangers of implants would

>not keep them in her own body.

>i don't see how that allows her to better treat anyone.

>cindi

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All I care about is that she offers appropriate treatment and explants correctly. She does just that. Patty_00_ <5678@...> wrote: Sounds like a poor excuse to me..... surely if she believes they will make her ill, she would not be willing to permit that. It's impossible to function with the degree of fatigue. I don't like this excuse at all......... At the risk of angering everyone, being one of the only games in town for explantation and detox remedies is far more lucrative that sharing augmentations with every other cosmetic surgeon in the nation. Sherry Re: thyroid issues i thought it was rather odd myself. surely a physician who is convinced of the dangers of implants would not keep them in her own body. i don't see how that allows her to better treat anyone. cindi>> I have some trouble with this one............... __________________________________________________

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Cindi,

OK I understand this better sorry I missed the post when you explained it. I have to take Armour thyroid now and I know it is because of implants. I was so healthy and just a little over a year I developed 33 symptoms from them. My right implant the valve was leaking and a big piece of body tissue was stuck in the port. I had stuff floating around in my implants. When it leaked I got the symptoms worse. When it was not leaking it was ok for maybe 20 or 30 days the whole time I had implants I had good days. The other days were real bad. I have not got all my test back but will find out what was growing in my implants soon. A scientist has them for now. I am curious about that, whatever it was it was deadly because I was on antibiotic for a long time and still every night ran a low grade fever. I have not had the fever since explant, so this is good for me. I also lost the skin rash and the white in my eyes are white and not red any longer. I just feel better period. I am a firm believer that implants make women sick because they made me sick.... I wouldn't wish that sickness on my worst enemy it was so bad to feel like that every day. Implants destroyed my life and my family for a while. I hope we can get this behind us and move on now that I got rid of my toxic bags of mold. Thank God I found support sites like this one or I would not be here typing to you right now. Good Luck Cindi and we are here for you if you need us.

Donna

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Has she ever been known to NOT suggest explant. What I mean is has she ever successfully treated someone's symptoms and not explanted. Or does she only explant her patients and doesn't listen to her own advice? Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: All I care about is that she offers appropriate treatment and explants correctly. She does just that. Patty_00_ <5678@...> wrote: Sounds like a poor excuse to me..... surely if she believes they will make her ill, she would not be willing to permit that. It's

impossible to function with the degree of fatigue. I don't like this excuse at all......... At the risk of angering everyone, being one of the only games in town for explantation and detox remedies is far more lucrative that sharing augmentations with every other cosmetic surgeon in the nation. Sherry Re: thyroid issues i thought it was rather odd myself. surely a physician who is convinced of the dangers of implants would not keep them in her own body. i don't see how that allows her to better treat anyone. cindi>> I have some trouble with this one............... __________________________________________________

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Hi Cindi,

You must have joined this list while I have been offline the last several

weeks. I am unlike most women here, in that I have never been implanted. I

sought information over a year ago regarding implant safety before my

scheduled implantation. After being here for a day, I cancelled my implant

surgery.

I understand your point and with some of it, I agree. Not all women will

react to their implants BUT those who have a predisposition to autoimmune

disorders most likely will react. I have low thyroid, as does my mother. I

do not have Hashi's. I had a hyper thyroid for a couple of years and it

settled into being hypo, which I treat with 1 grain of Westhroid daily. If

I implanted, as you did, there would have been a greater chance for my

thyroid to worsen, as yours did. The cause of the change is simple, the

introduction of implants to the body. According to my ND, there are two

classes of women who react to implants, those with a predisposition to auto

immune problems and those who are sensitive to the silicone itself. Plain

and simple, implants do cause auto immune problems in those prone to auto

immune problems. Without the implants as the trigger, many women would have

otherwise lived a healthy life.

It is out of true concern for your health that it has been suggested here

that you have your implants removed. The fact that your Hashi's worsened

with the introduction of implants speaks volumes about the state of your

health.

Kenda

> I suppose you would have said that to me 10 years ago too?

>

> i have no denial. implants are bad. end of story.

> so is fast food, coca-cola, chemical based lotions and potions,

> coffee sprayed with pesticides, antibiotics are chemicals that

> damage your body...we are are being slowly poisened in one way or

> another. etc. etc.

>

> but we are not all alike...and have been on different paths...and

> telling all women that they must have implants removed right now -

> without any regard for their individual history and background - or

> not having suggested they explore all reasons for their symptoms -

> is just plain wrong and negligent imo.

>

> I mentioned I lurked around here because I was curious as to why a

> saline support group had a list of symptoms that read like a

> Hashimoto's list of symptoms. I have found my answer - it's because

> so many of these folks have low thyroid.

>

> Hypo ladies look for everything to explain their long list of

> sympotms....they go chelate, they do all sorta of alterative

> treatments...and now I will be telling my own thyroid group that I

> have found another whole group of undiagnosed/undertreated Hashi's

> folks....in those who are having their implants removed to get rid

> of symptoms. sad.

>

> it's truly been rather disturbing to me actually. I've seen women

> so hurt by docs who want treat their hypo...and then i see this

> here.

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> Removing implants is not going to fix hashi's symptoms...only enough

> thyroid hormone will do that.

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> i'll not stick around..because I was just curious after all...and I

> hope maybe someone's eyes have been opened. If i see any more

> questions at this time, I'll answer them...and please feel free for

> anyone to check in at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

>

> cindi

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>> Cindi,

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>> I can almost guarantee that in 5 years you will be saying the same

>> things we are. You are just not there yet, and I think I see some

>> degree of denial in your posts.

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> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed

> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

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> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

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I don't know the answers to those questions. I guess someone would have to ask her if she has successfully treated someone without explanting them. I know she treats herself using holistic measures. Patty Lamse <wannabe_proverbs31@...> wrote: Has she ever been known to NOT suggest explant. What I mean is has she ever successfully treated someone's symptoms and not explanted. Or does she only explant her patients and doesn't listen to her own advice? __________________________________________________

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Women seeking explant have generally made up their minds about doing

this. Otherwise they would not be seeing someone on our explant list.

Lynda

At 05:46 PM 6/5/2006, you wrote:

>Has she ever been known to NOT suggest explant. What I mean is has

>she ever successfully treated someone's symptoms and not

>explanted. Or does she only explant her patients and doesn't listen

>to her own advice?

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>Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote:

>All I care about is that she offers appropriate treatment and

>explants correctly. She does just that.

>Patty

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>_00_ <5678@...> wrote:

>Sounds like a poor excuse to me..... surely if she believes they

>will make her ill, she would not be willing to permit that. It's

>impossible to function with the degree of fatigue. I don't like this

>excuse at all......... At the risk of angering everyone, being one

>of the only games in town for explantation and detox remedies is far

>more lucrative that sharing augmentations with every other cosmetic

>surgeon in the nation.

> Sherry

> Re: thyroid issues

>

>i thought it was rather odd myself.

>surely a physician who is convinced of the dangers of implants would

>not keep them in her own body.

>i don't see how that allows her to better treat anyone.

>cindi

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> > I have some trouble with this one...............

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Cindi,

Do you any other autoimmune problems?

Kenda

> i agree prednisone is toxic in pharmalogical amounts.

>

> most folks with adrenal dysfunction (common if thyroid dysfunction

> went on for a long time) use a more natural substance to the body,

> hydrocortisone. Alhtough prednisone in physiological doses (less

> than the body makes of cortisol - about 5 mg.) is not terribly

> risky.

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> Ya know...maybe part of our " disagreement " ....is that i am a

> hopeless Hashi's thyroid gland case. End stage of the disease. I

> know that explant can't restore thyroid function.

>

> Were I in my 30s perhaps...in the beginning stages...explant would

> make more sense to me. there would be more years in which other

> autoimmune disease might affect me.

>

> But at age 50...there's more to consider. how surgery would affect

> my life? (could make me sick) do i want to spend that money? (not

> really although we could) looking at all that against...would there

> be any gain to me? (totally unknown) any added years of life?

> (totally unknown)

> these are questions that are all important i think....and in my

> case, it doesn't make sense to explant. I just can't see the

> benefit.

> cindi

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>>>>> I suppose you would have said that to me 10 years ago too?

>>>>>

>>>>> i have no denial. implants are bad. end of story.

>>>>> so is fast food, coca-cola, chemical based lotions and

>> potions,

>>>>> coffee sprayed with pesticides, antibiotics are chemicals

> that

>>>>> damage your body...we are are being slowly poisened in one

> way

>>> or

>>>>> another. etc. etc.

>>>>>

>>>>> but we are not all alike...and have been on different

>>> paths...and

>>>>> telling all women that they must have implants removed right

>>> now -

>>>>> without any regard for their individual history and

>> background -

>>>> or

>>>>> not having suggested they explore all reasons for their

>>> symptoms -

>>>>> is just plain wrong and negligent imo.

>>>>>

>>>>> I mentioned I lurked around here because I was curious as to

>> why

>>> a

>>>>> saline support group had a list of symptoms that read like a

>>>>> Hashimoto's list of symptoms. I have found my answer - it's

>>>> because

>>>>> so many of these folks have low thyroid.

>>>>>

>>>>> Hypo ladies look for everything to explain their long list

> of

>>>>> sympotms....they go chelate, they do all sorta of alterative

>>>>> treatments...and now I will be telling my own thyroid group

>> that

>>> I

>>>>> have found another whole group of undiagnosed/undertreated

>>> Hashi's

>>>>> folks....in those who are having their implants removed to

> get

>>> rid

>>>>> of symptoms. sad.

>>>>>

>>>>> it's truly been rather disturbing to me actually. I've seen

>>> women

>>>>> so hurt by docs who want treat their hypo...and then i see

>> this

>>>>> here.

>>>>>

>>>>> Removing implants is not going to fix hashi's

> symptoms...only

>>>> enough

>>>>> thyroid hormone will do that.

>>>>>

>>>>> i'll not stick around..because I was just curious after

>>> all...and

>>>> I

>>>>> hope maybe someone's eyes have been opened. If i see any

> more

>>>>> questions at this time, I'll answer them...and please feel

>> free

>>>> for

>>>>> anyone to check in at www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

>>>>>

>>>>> cindi

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> __________________________________________________

>>>>>

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SUPERB question... bravo!

Sherry

Re: thyroid issues

i thought it was rather odd myself. surely a physician who is convinced of the dangers of implants would not keep them in her own body. i don't see how that allows her to better treat anyone. cindi>> I have some trouble with this one...............

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I just did.

so what did she do? then have saline implants?

cindi

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> No, she was sick! That's why she knows about the dangers associated

with implants. She had silicone gel and got sick from those....you can

read it for yourself.

>

> http://www.plastikos.com/silicone.htm

>

> http://www.plastikos.com/art-silicone.htm

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Ladies,

I'm trying very hard to stay out of this heated discussion because I actually

see all perspectives.

Then I saw 's post and while I still would rather silently read and

observe from the sidelines, I just want to point out that the Dr. should not be

treating the symptoms. Instead treating the illness that has produced the

symptoms. To treat the symptoms would essentially disguise the underlying

illness. So by treating the illness, the symptoms should go away. I hope this

makes sense because my objective wasn't to confuse everyone. Clearly we are all

in this together and are here to learn from each other. Enough said. That's my

two cents )

Christene

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you folks are intent on me getting sick someway I see. ;-)

well i don't plan on having double pneumonia either. but there

probably is a herb that helps...

cindi

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> Who will you call if you develop a severe bilateral pneumonia? Herbs

won't help......

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Cindi,

You have to do what you feel is best for you, and if that means

keeping the implants and trying to stabilize your condition with

meds, then that's what you have to do. If you get to the point

where that no longer works for you, then you'll make whatever

decision you need to at that point. I think we've just seen so many

women who continue to get sicker, and perhaps that's where the sense

of urgency comes from. If you believe the surgery would just cause

more problems, then it's certainly your right to do what you think

is best.

Sis

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> > Alleviating symptoms is only one reason for explant. There are

> many others. I would hate to just be putting bandaids on my

illness

> knowing that down the road things could get really ugly. I guess

I

> just don't understand the willingness to take risks with health.

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Cindi, I concur! Leadership by example!

Christene

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THERE PROBABLY IS NOT......... It's not terribly sensible or rational to dismiss physicians as you have. There may be a time when you will want their help.

Sherry

Re: thyroid issues

you folks are intent on me getting sick someway I see. ;-)well i don't plan on having double pneumonia either. but there probably is a herb that helps...cindi>> Who will you call if you develop a severe bilateral pneumonia? Herbs won't help......

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I agree with everything you said. it's what I've been saying.

but you did miss that i eliminated symptoms with optimization of

Free levels...and do not think that explant is in my best interests,

and i gave reasons why.

I wish i had had the opportunity to read here before implants

too...i might have changed my mind. I do know if a doctor had

properly diagnosed me with Hashi's when they should have, I would

not have had implants.

cindi

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> >> Cindi,

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> >> I can almost guarantee that in 5 years you will be saying the

same

> >> things we are. You are just not there yet, and I think I see

some

> >> degree of denial in your posts.

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> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed

> > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

health care

> > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live a

> > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

two-time

> > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >

> >

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im sure she doesn't get all her patients from our list of explant surgeons. I was just curious because she seems to feel comfortable to keep hers. I was wondering how she would treat someone like Cindi, who doesn't want surgery. Lynda <coss@...> wrote: ,Women seeking explant have generally made up their minds about doing this. Otherwise they would not be seeing someone on our explant list.LyndaAt 05:46 PM 6/5/2006, you wrote:>Has she ever been known to NOT suggest explant. What I mean is has >she ever successfully treated someone's symptoms and not >explanted. Or does she only explant her patients and doesn't listen >to her own advice?>>>>Tricia Trish

<glory2glory1401@...> wrote:>All I care about is that she offers appropriate treatment and >explants correctly. She does just that.>Patty>>_00_ <5678@...> wrote:>Sounds like a poor excuse to me..... surely if she believes they >will make her ill, she would not be willing to permit that. It's >impossible to function with the degree of fatigue. I don't like this >excuse at all......... At the risk of angering everyone, being one >of the only games in town for explantation and detox remedies is far >more lucrative that sharing augmentations with every other cosmetic >surgeon in the nation.> Sherry> Re: thyroid issues>>i thought it was rather odd myself.>surely a physician who is convinced of the dangers of implants would>not keep them in her own body.>i don't see how that allows her to better treat anyone.>cindi>>>> >> > I have some trouble with this one...............>>>>>>__________________________________________________>