Re: Did McCarthy dis us on Oprah?

[Guest guest]

No, I'm pretty much anti-vaccine. ~doris

[Guest guest]

I think said the things she said because she wanted to play

middle ground so people wouldn't get turned off. She had stated that

if she had another child she wouldn't vaccinate!

Did you see the show?

On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Doris wrote:

> No, I'm pretty much anti-vaccine. ~doris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I love , and she has done a lot for our cause, but " Green our

Vaccines " has always been her stance. I'm not sure if she buys that,

but it is what she portrays outwardly. And you're right, no vaccine

is or can be safe, ever.

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:18 PM, kdhrtd <kdhrtd@...> wrote:

> Am I wrong or did she dis us?

>

> She said that the community she represents is not " anti-vaccine " . They

> are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance of having

> vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe vaccines? Even

> if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It looks like

> someone didn't do enough homework!

> Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies! Maybe, you

> can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level whether

> symptomatic or not!

>

> If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that there should

> be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut, immune

> system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

[Guest guest]

Yeah I kind of felt dissed as well...it was almost as if she was

insinuating that parents who are anti vaccine (which I am) are not

intelligent and are not making a responsible and intelligent choice

for their children. *shrugs*

I guess she probably has to be careful as she is a celebrity and if

she plays middle ground maybe she feels like she'll get farther than

if she were to come out and say that she is anti vaccine.

I missed it where she said that if she had another child she wouldn't

vaccinate..darnit!

> > Am I wrong or did she dis us?

> >

> > She said that the community she represents is not " anti-vaccine " . They

> > are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance of having

> > vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe vaccines? Even

> > if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It looks like

> > someone didn't do enough homework!

> > Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies! Maybe, you

> > can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level whether

> > symptomatic or not!

> >

> > If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that there should

> > be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut, immune

> > system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

>

[Guest guest]

About another child.....she said that on another show previously.

On Sep 24, 2008, at 6:15 PM, Tara wrote:

> Yeah I kind of felt dissed as well...it was she said that

> aboutalmost as if she was

> insinuating that parents who are anti vaccine (which I am) are not

> intelligent and are not making a responsible and intelligent choice

> for their children. *shrugs*

>

> I guess she probably has to be careful as she is a celebrity and if

> she plays middle ground maybe she feels like she'll get farther than

> if she were to come out and say that she is anti vaccine.

>

> I missed it where she said that if she had another child she wouldn't

> vaccinate..darnit!

>

>

> > > Am I wrong or did she dis us?

> > >

> > > She said that the community she represents is not " anti-

> vaccine " . They

> > > are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance of

> having

> > > vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe

> vaccines? Even

> > > if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It looks like

> > > someone didn't do enough homework!

> > > Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies!

> Maybe, you

> > > can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level

> whether

> > > symptomatic or not!

> > >

> > > If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that there

> should

> > > be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut,

> immune

> > > system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, I always heard in the same way. I don't know what she may

believe in her heart of hearts, but this has been her consistent public

stand, to my knowledge.

Best,

Elchanan

Re: Did McCarthy dis us on Oprah?

I love , and she has done a lot for our cause, but " Green our Vaccines "

has always been her stance. I'm not sure if she buys that, but it is what

she portrays outwardly. And you're right, no vaccine is or can be safe,

ever.

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:18 PM, kdhrtd <kdhrtd@...> wrote:

> Am I wrong or did she dis us?

>

> She said that the community she represents is not " anti-vaccine " . They

> are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance of having

> vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe vaccines? Even

> if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It looks like

> someone didn't do enough homework!

> Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies! Maybe, you

> can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level whether

> symptomatic or not!

>

> If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that there should

> be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut, immune

> system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

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[Guest guest]

Also remember that people have choices, and the choice to vaccinate or not is

important to have. Can there ever be a " green " vaccine? No, more than likely

not, however people who make other choices see things differently and work for

what they wish.

Re: Did McCarthy dis us on Oprah?

I love , and she has done a lot for our cause, but " Green our

Vaccines " has always been her stance. I'm not sure if she buys that,

but it is what she portrays outwardly. And you're right, no vaccine

is or can be safe, ever.

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 3:18 PM, kdhrtd <kdhrtd@...> wrote:

> Am I wrong or did she dis us?

>

> She said that the community she represents is not " anti-vaccine " . They

> are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance of having

> vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe vaccines? Even

> if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It looks like

> someone didn't do enough homework!

> Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies! Maybe, you

> can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level whether

> symptomatic or not!

>

> If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that there should

> be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut, immune

> system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

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[Guest guest]

Exactly - they can never make a " green vaccine " . McCarthy is

calling on them to remove all toxins and viruses. What would be left?

>

> Also remember that people have choices, and the choice to vaccinate

or not is important to have. Can there ever be a " green " vaccine? No,

more than likely not, however people who make other choices see things

differently and work for what they wish.

[Guest guest]

Right, no vaccine is safe or necessary. There is no such thing as a

green vaccine. I don't know why her stance is that - perhaps

coercion, but it lets the big, real monster still have it's

way...doesn't bring about the change needed for all that effort that

is going on.

Liz

> > Am I wrong or did she dis us?

> >

> > She said that the community she represents is not " anti-vaccine " . They

> > are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance of having

> > vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe vaccines? Even

> > if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It looks like

> > someone didn't do enough homework!

> > Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies! Maybe, you

> > can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level whether

> > symptomatic or not!

> >

> > If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that there should

> > be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut, immune

> > system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

>

[Guest guest]

At 10:18 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote:

>Am I wrong or did she dis us?

>

>She said that the community she represents is not " anti-vaccine " . They

>are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance of having

>vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe vaccines? Even

>if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It looks like

>someone didn't do enough homework!

Exactly - this came out earlier this year with the Green Vaccines Rally in D.C.

Some say this is a place to start and go from there.

But also people are being mislead - no vaccine can be safe.

I'll send an email I sent then

People think they won't be heard or won't get on these TV shows if

the say all vaccines are dangerous, so they take this route.

>Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies! Maybe, you

>can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level whether

>symptomatic or not!

Exactly - even without the additives, the whole premise is flawed and harmful

>If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that there should

>be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut, immune

>system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

And even then won't be safe as the vaccines will cause problems with

the above, even if fine before the vaccine.

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes Sept 10, 2008

[Guest guest]

For the overwhelming majority of the population, vaccines are safe.

When you say there can be no safe vaccine, that majority just writes

you off as a nut.

If you want to make your point to the general public, you need to

point out the specifics of why vaccines are not safe for 1 out of

150. When you toss out 50 different theories, the public sees 50

little green men from Mars.

The major cause of autism is mercury. The reason mercury stays in

the brain of that 1 in 150 is the presence of the APO-E4 protein.

Simplicity, that's what the public, and idiotic politicians can

absorb. If you can make the politicians see that one fact, then you

tell them about aluminum and other specifics that they can't absorb

until they accept the major cause.

> >Am I wrong or did she dis us?

> >

> >She said that the community she represents is not " anti-vaccine " .

They

> >are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance of

having

> >vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe vaccines?

Even

> >if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It looks like

> >someone didn't do enough homework!

>

>

> Exactly - this came out earlier this year with the Green Vaccines

Rally in D.C.

> Some say this is a place to start and go from there.

> But also people are being mislead - no vaccine can be safe.

> I'll send an email I sent then

>

> People think they won't be heard or won't get on these TV shows if

> the say all vaccines are dangerous, so they take this route.

>

> >Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies! Maybe,

you

> >can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level

whether

> >symptomatic or not!

>

>

> Exactly - even without the additives, the whole premise is flawed

and harmful

>

>

> >If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that there

should

> >be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut,

immune

> >system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

>

>

>

> And even then won't be safe as the vaccines will cause problems

with

> the above, even if fine before the vaccine.

> Sheri

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

Sept 10, 2008

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for that but not sure we can say at this point thatA " The

major cause of autism is mercury "

It is certainly a factor and possibly for many or most.

But there autistic children who are unvaccinated (not a lot but they are there)

We still can't make absolute states about 'the cause'.

Sheri

t 01:03 PM 9/25/2008, you wrote:

>For the overwhelming majority of the population, vaccines are safe.

>When you say there can be no safe vaccine, that majority just writes

>you off as a nut.

>If you want to make your point to the general public, you need to

>point out the specifics of why vaccines are not safe for 1 out of

>150. When you toss out 50 different theories, the public sees 50

>little green men from Mars.

>The major cause of autism is mercury. The reason mercury stays in

>the brain of that 1 in 150 is the presence of the APO-E4 protein.

>Simplicity, that's what the public, and idiotic politicians can

>absorb. If you can make the politicians see that one fact, then you

>tell them about aluminum and other specifics that they can't absorb

>until they accept the major cause.

>

>

> > >Am I wrong or did she dis us?

> > >

> > >She said that the community she represents is not " anti-vaccine " .

>They

> > >are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance of

>having

> > >vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe vaccines?

>Even

> > >if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It looks like

> > >someone didn't do enough homework!

> >

> >

> > Exactly - this came out earlier this year with the Green Vaccines

>Rally in D.C.

> > Some say this is a place to start and go from there.

> > But also people are being mislead - no vaccine can be safe.

> > I'll send an email I sent then

> >

> > People think they won't be heard or won't get on these TV shows if

> > the say all vaccines are dangerous, so they take this route.

> >

> > >Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies! Maybe,

>you

> > >can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level

>whether

> > >symptomatic or not!

> >

> >

> > Exactly - even without the additives, the whole premise is flawed

>and harmful

> >

> >

> > >If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that there

>should

> > >be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut,

>immune

> > >system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

> >

> >

> >

> > And even then won't be safe as the vaccines will cause problems

>with

> > the above, even if fine before the vaccine.

> > Sheri

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> > Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> > Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

>Sept 10, 2008

> >

>

>

>

>------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/25/2008 12:17:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

sylviapimentel@... writes:

So, I think this is a wonderful milestone in vaccine rights

I agree,,,one step at a time,,

Holly

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[Guest guest]

I know she said toxins from watching other shows.

Everybody can look her up on Youtube.

On Sep 24, 2008, at 10:34 PM, Dawn wrote:

> Exactly - they can never make a " green vaccine " . McCarthy is

> calling on them to remove all toxins and viruses. What would be left?

>

>

> >

> > Also remember that people have choices, and the choice to vaccinate

> or not is important to have. Can there ever be a " green " vaccine? No,

> more than likely not, however people who make other choices see things

> differently and work for what they wish.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

How do you determine if that protein is present?

From: Best Jr <bettwice33@...>

Subject: Re: Did McCarthy dis us on Oprah?

Vaccinations

Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 8:03 AM

For the overwhelming majority of the population, vaccines are safe.

When you say there can be no safe vaccine, that majority just writes

you off as a nut.

If you want to make your point to the general public, you need to

point out the specifics of why vaccines are not safe for 1 out of

150. When you toss out 50 different theories, the public sees 50

little green men from Mars.

The major cause of autism is mercury. The reason mercury stays in

the brain of that 1 in 150 is the presence of the APO-E4 protein.

Simplicity, that's what the public, and idiotic politicians can

absorb. If you can make the politicians see that one fact, then you

tell them about aluminum and other specifics that they can't absorb

until they accept the major cause.

[Guest guest]

You're wrong. We know beyond any doubt that mercury was the primary

cause of autism. We have known this since 1999. Did you not read

what Deth presented to the IOM in 2004? Are you aware of

Neubrander's statistics showing that over 90% of autistic kids

improve with methyl B-12? Those kids would not improve at all if

mercury was not inside of them preventing them from making their own

methyl B-12.

Lots of kids have been cured by removing the mercury with

chelation. Not one of them would have been cured if mercury was not

the cause.

If there are unvaccinated autistic children, did their mothers have

the flu shot or Rhogam? Did they have amalgams or did they give the

kids mercury through breast milk? Have the unvaccinated been tested

for genetics to check for Retts or fragile X?

I shouldn't even have to point this out to anyone who knows the

facts about autism, especially the fact that autism did not exist

before thimerosal was invented or the fact that there was hardly any

autism before the HepB shot began to put mercury directly into

infants' brains that had no blood brain barrier.

Yes, we can (AND SHOULD) make absolute statements about the cause.

The more we have people like Kirby making wimpy statements like

mercury might have caused some problems in certain individuals, the

more we look like a bunch of dopes who can't even convince ourselves

that we are right. WE are 100% certain that we are right about this

by virtue of the fact that we have cured children by removing the

mercury. That proves it, case closed!

> > > >Am I wrong or did she dis us?

> > > >

> > > >She said that the community she represents is not " anti-

vaccine " .

> >They

> > > >are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance of

> >having

> > > >vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe

vaccines?

> >Even

> > > >if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It looks

like

> > > >someone didn't do enough homework!

> > >

> > >

> > > Exactly - this came out earlier this year with the Green

Vaccines

> >Rally in D.C.

> > > Some say this is a place to start and go from there.

> > > But also people are being mislead - no vaccine can be safe.

> > > I'll send an email I sent then

> > >

> > > People think they won't be heard or won't get on these TV shows

if

> > > the say all vaccines are dangerous, so they take this route.

> > >

> > > >Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies!

Maybe,

> >you

> > > >can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level

> >whether

> > > >symptomatic or not!

> > >

> > >

> > > Exactly - even without the additives, the whole premise is

flawed

> >and harmful

> > >

> > >

> > > >If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that there

> >should

> > > >be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut,

> >immune

> > > >system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > And even then won't be safe as the vaccines will cause problems

> >with

> > > the above, even if fine before the vaccine.

> > > Sheri

> > >

> > > --------------------------------------------------------

> > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA &

Wales UK

> > > Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> > > Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

> >Sept 10, 2008

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We would need to change our whole society and rethink everything. To

have a healthy society people would need to eat whole organic foods,

stop drinking and smoking, eat correctly,clean up our use of chems

in water, air, products, stop vaccines,stop meds and use homeopathy

or other more kind treatments or we will continue to be a sick

society. Fat chance!!! To bad!!

Our society wants to be able to do all of these bad things and STILL

be healthy or be made healthy with a pill.. We just don't get it! It

doesn't work that way. We have gotten soooo far from wholesome and

continue in that direction!

Something will have to give...will it be the end of the human race?

On Sep 25, 2008, at 5:26 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:

> At 10:18 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote:

> >Am I wrong or did she dis us?

> >

> >She said that the community she represents is not " anti-vaccine " .

> They

> >are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance of having

> >vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe vaccines? Even

> >if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It looks like

> >someone didn't do enough homework!

>

> Exactly - this came out earlier this year with the Green Vaccines

> Rally in D.C.

> Some say this is a place to start and go from there.

> But also people are being mislead - no vaccine can be safe.

> I'll send an email I sent then

>

> People think they won't be heard or won't get on these TV shows if

> the say all vaccines are dangerous, so they take this route.

>

> >Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies! Maybe, you

> >can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level whether

> >symptomatic or not!

>

> Exactly - even without the additives, the whole premise is flawed

> and harmful

>

> >If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that there should

> >be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut, immune

> >system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

>

> And even then won't be safe as the vaccines will cause problems with

> the above, even if fine before the vaccine.

> Sheri

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

> Sept 10, 2008

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And that's the problem...it's true. We don't exactly live in a country of

freedom of the press. You can get away with all sorts of

stuff...President-bashing, govt. bashing, but talk about some of the most

cherished and beloved traditions of the CDC and AMA, you're automatically a

lunatic and fanatic and they have enough powererful people up in Washington to

make sure that you are discredited. A middle ground and " greening " things up is

something more parents can absorb (since most are still brainwashed for vaxing)

and the powers that be can say " well at least people are still vaxing even if

it's different " (and a lot of docs have problems with THAT too). She's been

allowed to say she feels vaccines caused her son's autism (shocking

enough)....she'd be pushing her luck to say anything else in public.

People think they won't be heard or won't get on these TV shows if

the say all vaccines are dangerous, so they take this route.

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[Guest guest]

well...mercury is one of the chems that cause autism.What If they

take out " all " of the mercury from vaccines I think our children will

still get autism from other ingredients in the vaccines(my belief)and

they will still have health issues. However, then, they will see us

as nuts!. they will say it wasn't the mercury after all so, they will

not listen if we bring up other chems in the shots. They will think

we are grasping at straws. They will say " see it wasn't the mercury

so enough " ! The confidence in the vaccines will increase.

People think your nuts if your anti-vaccine period.

I usually tell them to research what is in the vaccines then research

the chems themselves and how the affect the human infant and child.

I have never made a blanket statement to the public that vaccines are

not safe. They wouldn't get it. I have only said it to this group.

They understand.

On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:03 AM, Best Jr wrote:

> For the overwhelming majority of the population, vaccines are safe.

> When you say there can be no safe vaccine, that majority just writes

> you off as a nut.

> If you want to make your point to the general public, you need to

> point out the specifics of why vaccines are not safe for 1 out of

> 150. When you toss out 50 different theories, the public sees 50

> little green men from Mars.

> The major cause of autism is mercury. The reason mercury stays in

> the brain of that 1 in 150 is the presence of the APO-E4 protein.

> Simplicity, that's what the public, and idiotic politicians can

> absorb. If you can make the politicians see that one fact, then you

> tell them about aluminum and other specifics that they can't absorb

> until they accept the major cause.

>

>

> > >Am I wrong or did she dis us?

> > >

> > >She said that the community she represents is not " anti-vaccine " .

> They

> > >are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance of

> having

> > >vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe vaccines?

> Even

> > >if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It looks like

> > >someone didn't do enough homework!

> >

> >

> > Exactly - this came out earlier this year with the Green Vaccines

> Rally in D.C.

> > Some say this is a place to start and go from there.

> > But also people are being mislead - no vaccine can be safe.

> > I'll send an email I sent then

> >

> > People think they won't be heard or won't get on these TV shows if

> > the say all vaccines are dangerous, so they take this route.

> >

> > >Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies! Maybe,

> you

> > >can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level

> whether

> > >symptomatic or not!

> >

> >

> > Exactly - even without the additives, the whole premise is flawed

> and harmful

> >

> >

> > >If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that there

> should

> > >be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut,

> immune

> > >system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

> >

> >

> >

> > And even then won't be safe as the vaccines will cause problems

> with

> > the above, even if fine before the vaccine.

> > Sheri

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> > Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> > Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

> Sept 10, 2008

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, however It is not the only thing in these vaccines that cause

autism.

Chelation removes other metals too.

On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Best Jr wrote:

> You're wrong. We know beyond any doubt that mercury was the primary

> cause of autism. We have known this since 1999. Did you not read

> what Deth presented to the IOM in 2004? Are you aware of

> Neubrander's statistics showing that over 90% of autistic kids

> improve with methyl B-12? Those kids would not improve at all if

> mercury was not inside of them preventing them from making their own

> methyl B-12.

> Lots of kids have been cured by removing the mercury with

> chelation. Not one of them would have been cured if mercury was not

> the cause.

> If there are unvaccinated autistic children, did their mothers have

> the flu shot or Rhogam? Did they have amalgams or did they give the

> kids mercury through breast milk? Have the unvaccinated been tested

> for genetics to check for Retts or fragile X?

> I shouldn't even have to point this out to anyone who knows the

> facts about autism, especially the fact that autism did not exist

> before thimerosal was invented or the fact that there was hardly any

> autism before the HepB shot began to put mercury directly into

> infants' brains that had no blood brain barrier.

> Yes, we can (AND SHOULD) make absolute statements about the cause.

> The more we have people like Kirby making wimpy statements like

> mercury might have caused some problems in certain individuals, the

> more we look like a bunch of dopes who can't even convince ourselves

> that we are right. WE are 100% certain that we are right about this

> by virtue of the fact that we have cured children by removing the

> mercury. That proves it, case closed!

>

>

> > > > >Am I wrong or did she dis us?

> > > > >

> > > > >She said that the community she represents is not " anti-

> vaccine " .

> > >They

> > > > >are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance of

> > >having

> > > > >vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe

> vaccines?

> > >Even

> > > > >if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It looks

> like

> > > > >someone didn't do enough homework!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Exactly - this came out earlier this year with the Green

> Vaccines

> > >Rally in D.C.

> > > > Some say this is a place to start and go from there.

> > > > But also people are being mislead - no vaccine can be safe.

> > > > I'll send an email I sent then

> > > >

> > > > People think they won't be heard or won't get on these TV shows

> if

> > > > the say all vaccines are dangerous, so they take this route.

> > > >

> > > > >Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies!

> Maybe,

> > >you

> > > > >can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level

> > >whether

> > > > >symptomatic or not!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Exactly - even without the additives, the whole premise is

> flawed

> > >and harmful

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that there

> > >should

> > > > >be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut,

> > >immune

> > > > >system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > And even then won't be safe as the vaccines will cause problems

> > >with

> > > > the above, even if fine before the vaccine.

> > > > Sheri

> > > >

> > > > --------------------------------------------------------

> > > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA &

> Wales UK

> > > > Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> > > > Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

> > >Sept 10, 2008

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I have seen her explain what happened to her son in detail and

mention if she had another kid she would not vaccinate on another

show. It might have to do with Oprah's lawyers,too.

On Sep 25, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Lori Miner wrote:

> And that's the problem...it's true. We don't exactly live in a

> country of freedom of the press. You can get away with all sorts of

> stuff...President-bashing, govt. bashing, but talk about some of

> the most cherished and beloved traditions of the CDC and AMA,

> you're automatically a lunatic and fanatic and they have enough

> powererful people up in Washington to make sure that you are

> discredited. A middle ground and " greening " things up is something

> more parents can absorb (since most are still brainwashed for

> vaxing) and the powers that be can say " well at least people are

> still vaxing even if it's different " (and a lot of docs have

> problems with THAT too). She's been allowed to say she feels

> vaccines caused her son's autism (shocking enough)....she'd be

> pushing her luck to say anything else in public.

>

> People think they won't be heard or won't get on these TV shows if

> the say all vaccines are dangerous, so they take this route.

>

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>

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> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com

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>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for the email

On Sep 25, 2008, at 5:26 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:

> At 10:18 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote:

> >Am I wrong or did she dis us?

> >

> >She said that the community she represents is not " anti-vaccine " .

> They

> >are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance of having

> >vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe vaccines? Even

> >if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It looks like

> >someone didn't do enough homework!

>

> Exactly - this came out earlier this year with the Green Vaccines

> Rally in D.C.

> Some say this is a place to start and go from there.

> But also people are being mislead - no vaccine can be safe.

> I'll send an email I sent then

>

> People think they won't be heard or won't get on these TV shows if

> the say all vaccines are dangerous, so they take this route.

>

> >Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies! Maybe, you

> >can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level whether

> >symptomatic or not!

>

> Exactly - even without the additives, the whole premise is flawed

> and harmful

>

> >If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that there should

> >be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut, immune

> >system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

>

> And even then won't be safe as the vaccines will cause problems with

> the above, even if fine before the vaccine.

> Sheri

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

> Sept 10, 2008

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think is doing a great job. When has the fact that vaccines

could be harmful EVER been talked about on Oprah or any other

national program before and ? This subject was

completely taboo on T.V. just a year ago. These moms busted down that

wall, and that is awesome! Sure, they have to be pretty diplomatic

about it, or they couldn't get on the show. But the fact is clear:

millions of parents are watching and thinking to themselves " OMG,

vaccines can be dangerous! "

I am a parent volunteer for several autism groups. I help new parents

access biomedical information for the treatment of autism. has

had a huge impact. Thousands of parents are finding help for their

children because they saw on Oprah, and then contacted the

organizations she represents - Generation Rescue and TACA. And from

there they are finding out info on vaccines that they weren't able to

talk about on T.V.

So, I think this is a wonderful milestone in vaccine rights. The

untouchable, holy type status of vaccines are getting criticism on

national T.V. That is the first step to get people to question their

blind faith in them.

Sylvia

> > > > > >Am I wrong or did she dis us?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >She said that the community she represents is not " anti-

> > vaccine " .

> > > >They

> > > > > >are a group of intelligent parents that know the

importance of

> > > >having

> > > > > >vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe

> > vaccines?

> > > >Even

> > > > > >if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It

looks

> > like

> > > > > >someone didn't do enough homework!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Exactly - this came out earlier this year with the Green

> > Vaccines

> > > >Rally in D.C.

> > > > > Some say this is a place to start and go from there.

> > > > > But also people are being mislead - no vaccine can be safe.

> > > > > I'll send an email I sent then

> > > > >

> > > > > People think they won't be heard or won't get on these TV

shows

> > if

> > > > > the say all vaccines are dangerous, so they take this route.

> > > > >

> > > > > >Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies!

> > Maybe,

> > > >you

> > > > > >can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular

level

> > > >whether

> > > > > >symptomatic or not!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Exactly - even without the additives, the whole premise is

> > flawed

> > > >and harmful

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that

there

> > > >should

> > > > > >be tests done so you know what is going on in with their

gut,

> > > >immune

> > > > > >system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > And even then won't be safe as the vaccines will cause

problems

> > > >with

> > > > > the above, even if fine before the vaccine.

> > > > > Sheri

> > > > >

> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------

> > > > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > > > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA &

> > Wales UK

> > > > > Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> > > > > Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next

classes

> > > >Sept 10, 2008

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I agree in part. Yes, it is more effective to discredit one particular aspect

rather than flatly stating vaccines are bad, period.

But that can be done without further confusing the issue by cuckoo talk about

green vaccines in an effort to attract listeners.

Winnie

Re: Did McCarthy dis us on Oprah?

Vaccinations

> For the overwhelming majority of the population, vaccines are

> safe.

> When you say there can be no safe vaccine, that majority just

> writes

> you off as a nut.

> If you want to make your point to the general public, you need

> to

> point out the specifics of why vaccines are not safe for 1 out

> of

> 150. When you toss out 50 different theories, the public sees

> 50

> little green men from Mars.

> The major cause of autism is mercury. The reason mercury stays

> in

> the brain of that 1 in 150 is the presence of the APO-E4

> protein.

> Simplicity, that's what the public, and idiotic politicians can

> absorb. If you can make the politicians see that one fact, then

> you

> tell them about aluminum and other specifics that they can't

> absorb

> until they accept the major cause.

>

>

> > >Am I wrong or did she dis us?

> > >

> > >She said that the community she represents is not " anti-

> vaccine " .

> They

> > >are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance

> of

> having

> > >vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe

> vaccines?

> Even

> > >if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It looks like

> > >someone didn't do enough homework!

> >

> >

> > Exactly - this came out earlier this year with the Green

> Vaccines

> Rally in D.C.

> > Some say this is a place to start and go from there.

> > But also people are being mislead - no vaccine can be safe.

> > I'll send an email I sent then

> >

> > People think they won't be heard or won't get on these TV

> shows if

> > the say all vaccines are dangerous, so they take this route.

> >

> > >Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies!

> Maybe,

> you

> > >can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level

> whether

> > >symptomatic or not!

> >

> >

> > Exactly - even without the additives, the whole premise is

> flawed

> and harmful

> >

> >

> > >If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that

> there

> should

> > >be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut,

> immune

> > >system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

> >

> >

> >

> > And even then won't be safe as the vaccines will cause

> problems

> with

> > the above, even if fine before the vaccine.

> > Sheri

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA &

> Wales UK

> > Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> > Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next

> classes

> Sept 10, 2008

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

MMR doesn't have mercury and many parents believe it's the cause of their

child's autism.

Winnie

Re: Re: Did McCarthy dis us on Oprah?

Vaccinations

> thanks for that but not sure we can say at this point thatA " The

> major cause of autism is mercury "

>

> It is certainly a factor and possibly for many or most.

>

> But there autistic children who are unvaccinated (not a lot but

> they are there)

>

> We still can't make absolute states about 'the cause'.

>

> Sheri

>

> t 01:03 PM 9/25/2008, you wrote:

> >For the overwhelming majority of the population, vaccines are safe.

> >When you say there can be no safe vaccine, that majority just writes

> >you off as a nut.

> >If you want to make your point to the general public, you need to

> >point out the specifics of why vaccines are not safe for 1 out of

> >150. When you toss out 50 different theories, the public sees 50

> >little green men from Mars.

> >The major cause of autism is mercury. The reason mercury stays in

> >the brain of that 1 in 150 is the presence of the APO-E4 protein.

> >Simplicity, that's what the public, and idiotic politicians can

> >absorb. If you can make the politicians see that one fact,

> then you

> >tell them about aluminum and other specifics that they can't absorb

> >until they accept the major cause.

> >

> >

> > > >Am I wrong or did she dis us?

> > > >

> > > >She said that the community she represents is not " anti-vaccine " .

> >They

> > > >are a group of intelligent parents that know the importance of

> >having

> > > >vaccines.She says we deserve safe ones. Are there safe vaccines?

> >Even

> > > >if you took out all of the chemicals are they safe? It

> looks like

> > > >someone didn't do enough homework!

> > >

> > >

> > > Exactly - this came out earlier this year with the Green Vaccines

> >Rally in D.C.

> > > Some say this is a place to start and go from there.

> > > But also people are being mislead - no vaccine can be safe.

> > > I'll send an email I sent then

> > >

> > > People think they won't be heard or won't get on these TV

> shows if

> > > the say all vaccines are dangerous, so they take this route.

> > >

> > > >Whose body can handle these vaccine ingredients?Nobodies! Maybe,

> >you

> > > >can't see the damage but there is damage on a molecular level

> >whether

> > > >symptomatic or not!

> > >

> > >

> > > Exactly - even without the additives, the whole premise is flawed

> >and harmful

> > >

> > >

> > > >If you are going to give your kids shots I do agree that there

> >should

> > > >be tests done so you know what is going on in with their gut,

> >immune

> > > >system, history,body detoxifiers ie:glutithione , etc.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > And even then won't be safe as the vaccines will cause problems

> >with

> > > the above, even if fine before the vaccine.

> > > Sheri

> > >

> > > --------------------------------------------------------

> > > Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA &

> Wales UK

> > > Vaccines - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> > > Vaccine Dangers & Homeopathy Online/email courses - next classes

> >Sept 10, 2008

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >------------------------------------

> >

> >