Re: unvaccinated 15 month old with ear infection

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In a message dated 9/9/2007 10:16:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

eecakes@... writes:

When I divorced my husband he went and

had them vaccinated then went for custody. She's never been the same

I think that is a great testimony to what vaxes do right there. How she was

developing w/o them, and then once she got them the complete turn around.

Holly

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I see this with my autistic son Henry. The dental surgeon said he was such a

strong and healthy boy and that he should do well with the surgery. I thought

that was an odd thing to say about such an obviously unwell child. It is true

that Henry rarely gets sick, though. Is it the support of daily supplements and

his chronic remedy or his inability to launch a response due to his deeper

issues....I wonder?

Ideally, wouldn't the chronic remedy be working through layers of the

disturbance causing some kind of illness whether an acute inflamatory response

or some type of rash or skin eruptions? Maybe that's not true every

disturbance....Anita

Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

And I would also say, that not getting sick does not mean a person is healthy

Many are too ill on a deep level to 'get acute illnesses'.

For example those with very deep mental/emotional illness often do not get

physical illnesses.

From a homeopathic perspective, the person is too ill and can't mount the

energy to produce symptoms of an acute illness

Hope that helps

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Well, that was 20 years ago! LOL The last time we had a bout with ear ache ( I

am not going to call it the infection my dh did) was several years ago. My son

was a toddler and laying on my lap and whining. Not complaining about anything

really but whiny. I told him to stop whining and go to bed as I figured he was

just tired. (bad mom) Then he started crying for real and he finally indicated

his ear hurt and dh looked in his ear and freaked (it was a controllable freak

but freak he did nontheless) and said if was afraid if he didn't get antibiotics

NOW his eardrum would burst so he went to the office for that and I put

breastmilk inhis ear. We lived maybe 5 miles from his office and by the time he

came back my son was just sniffling. He gave him the antibiotic and then looked

in his ear and was utterly amazed that there was no swelling or redness

whatsoever. We knew it wasn't the drug that did that. A couple of weeks later

my gf called and asked if I could bring some breatmilk so she didn't have to

take both kids to Er as her son was crying about his ear. By the time I had

finished a cup of coffee, the redness on the outside of his ear was gone and he

was back to being himself. My husband would advise breatmilk to all his

patients whose child had earaches and they looked as if he sprouted another head

and declined, asking for antibiotics instead. We have used mother's milk for

eye " infectons " and diaper rashes...God sure knew what He was doing when He

designed breastmilk! LOL

LAurie

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You can " instruct " , but you can't really " teach " as it is up to the person one

is presenting the knowledge to to learn. You know the old saying.. " You can lead

a horse to water but.. " . I gues it is only human to second guess ourselves

until we really believe. Andit is a good thing she is questioning as altho

automatic belief would be nice, if we didn't question are we really believing it

on a deep level?

I have found you to be MOST excellent in the presentation and the amount of

material and very knowledgeable and helpful. That's why I am back again and

taking another class with my refresher class. Heck, you are why we researched

homeopathy in the first place!!! :-) And if we ever go the the UK, (which we

are considering as there is an AF base there) we are going to look you up! YOU

are my hero(ine?)!!!

Laurie

thought I must not have

taught it well enough ;-)

Sheri

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Sorry, but I take offense to what you say. It's hard to totally believe

one side. It would be the same thing as believing the doctors and that

vaccines are safe in my book. There was autism before vaccines, no

matter what is said. This " horse " likes to research both sides before

believing. I think some doctors are convinced that we need vaccines

because they belive they are safe (even if they are not),and is not to

just make a profit.

Kim

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Exactly. I am sorry if my email offended you (if it was my email you were

reffering to) as that was not my intention. I commend you for questioning...we

all started with questioning and researching and making our own decisions. No

one can force you to believe,,,one must do that themselves. As I mentioned

before, I belive there are 2 types of autism..those diagnosed at birth and then

the developmental autism which , these days, most often than not, coincides with

vaccines...usually the 18 mo or so series. There are the cases of unvaxxed

children also developing autism but the majority is the previous stated group of

vaxxed 18 mo. And certainly, the majority of docs, and parents, believe that

vaccines are safe and effective.

Too bad all these years of " testing' with the vaccines still haven't proved

their theory that vaccines are 100% safe and/or effective. That was my deciding

factor....they couldn't prove that they were either or...esp safe as they have

admitted, altho reluctantly, that there have been cases of vax related deaths

(worst scenario) and as no one could guarantee that my child would not have an

adverse reaction, I decided to forego their experiment and seek a more natural

prevention..such as a healthy immune system. Maybe I am showing my age, but

remember that margarine commercial where Mother Nature thought she was eating

butter and then was furious about being deceived and the saying, " You can't fool

Mother Nature " ? Well, IMO, the adverse side effects

(cancer,arthritis,diabetes,autism,brain damage, etc) is the price we are paying

for trying to fool Mother Nature.

Do I want my children to acquire a disease? Well, I do not like to see my child

in pain or uncomfortable but I am not afraid of these diseases. Once I was when

trying to decide what " I " felt was best for my child. When I was new to the

whole thing. And if that happens, I will probably squack around trying to

comfort my child but also be watching for any adverse effects so I can consult

with a qualified homeopath. And then relieved that we got " that " over and done

with with a real lifelong immunity and some of that passed to the next

generation.

It is almost never to late to change one's mind about declining or deciding to

go with the vax thing. Once administered tho, it can't be taken back. Altho I

think that there are detox procedures which may work to some extent. I just

would rather forgo all that time and expense and heartache.

In the end, it is up to each parent to decide. No one can " make " you believe or

decide for you. Your child...your responsibility. Keep researching. Just in

the meantime, if one could delay the vaxxes until one has decided...

I am still a horse and not a stubborn mule LOL I still reserve the right to

change my mind and I like to think I keep a semi open one (but not the leaky

kind LOL) neigh {but I refuse to be a gray mare!!! ;-) }

Laurie

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In a message dated 9/10/2007 2:48:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rwardin@... writes:

I think some doctors are convinced that we need vaccines

because they belive they are safe (even if they are not),and is not to

just make a profit.

I agree w/this statement. I think the key word in it is " some. " I just

can't believe that doctors who vaccinate and then see these kids come in time

and time again after the vaccines w/all sorts of disorders or whatever don't

connect the two. And IF they do connect the two, and continue to vaccinate

then they are criminals. They should be charged w/murder and malicious

wounding. My mother in law has been a teacher for 19 years. She admits there

are

way more children who are sickly and have learning disorders than 19 years ago.

I attribute it to vaccines and all the processed junk we feed our kids.

I only have one child, but is unbelievable. Of course I'm biased, but

she outshines every child I have ever met. Everyone I know says it. My

neighbor even told me how hard it is to live next door to " baby einstein. " She

is different. I just wish people would stop thinking it was a coincidence.

It is not. She is breast fed, non vaxed, and fed good food. I treat her

like a real person w/respect. I know her feelings count, but she knows there

are limits. But it is a coincidence. Yeah right.

Holly

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I will say that don't be so sure about this. My daughter was diagnosed with ear

infections and she didn't show any signs. Kind of hard to be diagnosed when 2

different doctors from different offices diagnosed her. :/ Unless of course

they were both not diagnosing correctly... Everyone is different. I would have

thought the pain would have been there as well, but it wasn't... She did have

ear issues, but then again that was a time I gave her the antibiotics and

didn't know how bad vaccines were. The only thing I am grateful for is the Lord

above and my neighbor for helping me to continue breastfeeding her. She was my

first and I had the issues of learning to breastfeed with hardly any support

and a mother-in-law sticking her nose in our business. Those were rough times.

I know my daughter is stronger because of Homeopathy, I am sooo thankful for

it!!

Hope that helps,

Quoting m2m <mum2mishka@...>:

> Hi Kim,

>

> This astonishes me, to be honest. I have never yet known a child with an

> ear infection who was not in pain, even if only mild. Mostly a child with

> an ear infection will be screaming with pain. I'm sure you would have known

> about it. Are you confident that the original dx was correct? And out of

> curiosity, what did your doctor suggest doing about it?

>

> Love, light and peace,

>

> Sue

>

> >*> Robyn,

> >*> Thank you for your reply. She seems to be doing fine. I didn't even

> >*> know she had an ear infection, found out at a well visit. I didn't

> >*> even give her anything for it.

> >*>

> >*> Kim

> >*>

> >*>

> >*>

> >*>

> >*> >

> >*> > > I just wanted to vent that my 15 month old daughter, who is

> >*> > > unvaccinated and breastfeed, has an ear infection. My partially

> >*> > > vaccinated 3 year old has never had an ear infection (yet

> >*> anyway). I

> >*> > > know some people say they can " see " the differences in vaxed

> >*> children

> >*> > > and unvaxed, but I can't see the differences in my

> >*> girls. A small

> >*> part

> >*> > > of me still wonders if vaccinations might be necessary,

> >*> especially

> >*> > > since learing that autism was around before vaccines. It just

> >*> wasn't

> >*> > > called autism.

> >*> > >

> >*> > > Kim

> >*> > >

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Right. Let's pump them up with unnatural forms and entry of disease in the name

of " health " and deprive them of nutrient-dense whole foods to help their immune

systems cope with the assaults. No wonder our children are falling

apart..........Anita

mensrea320@... wrote: My mother in law has been a teacher for 19 years.

She admits there are way more children who are sickly and have learning

disorders than 19 years ago.

I attribute it to vaccines and all the processed junk we feed our kids.

Holly

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