Re: unvaccinated 15 month old with ear infection

September 8, 2007

Are you still breastfeeding? You can put some expressed milk into the

ear and that will help clear it out. I think it’s depends on

susceptibility too. My vaxxed and unvaxxed kids have always been healthy

but I don’t allow a lot of junky crap for food either.. stay the course!

Believe me, vaccines are no favor to your children. They are not

necessary. They just help you blend in with the crowd. They won’t

protect her from getting the diseases she’s vaxxed for if you did go

vax.

Is it bothering her? There are homeopathic remedies you can give or just

leave it alone. It will heal. AFAIK, they don’t treat ear infections in

Europe and you haven’t heard all of Europe is deaf from untreated ear

infections. Antibiotics don’t help it heal any faster either.

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September 8, 2007

There are other dangers from the vaccines than autism...and there was autism

from birht but rarely the developmental autism that is now almost 1 in 60 or so

children.

Laurie

unvaccinated 15 month old with ear infection

I. A small part

of me still wonders if vaccinations might be necessary, especially

since learing that autism was around before vaccines. It just wasn't

called autism.

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September 8, 2007

At 06:17 PM 9/8/2007 -0000, you wrote:

>I just wanted to vent that my 15 month old daughter, who is

>unvaccinated and breastfeed, has an ear infection. My partially

>vaccinated 3 year old has never had an ear infection (yet anyway). I

>know some people say they can " see " the differences in vaxed children

>and unvaxed, but I can't see the differences in my girls. A small part

>of me still wonders if vaccinations might be necessary, especially

>since learing that autism was around before vaccines. It just wasn't

>called autism.

>

>Kim

Hi Kim,

Ear infections can happen in unvaccinated. Depends on many things.

But the huge numbers of ear infections in infants after first vaccines, are

strongly related to the vaccines.

Unvaccinated children are never going to be disease-free, if that is what

you were expecting.

An inflammation of an eardrum, and be called an ear infection, can occur

for many reasons.

How are you treating the ear infection. Homeopathy works nicely with it

and it even has been proven that antibiotics don't do much different or get

rid of the ear infection faster than just waiting and giving time.

Would have to know more about your children.

And not all children have susceptibility to vaccine injury - there are many

walking around doing just fine, so far.

There is so much hat is involved.

I'm curious why you think vaccines are necessary.

Which vaccines?

Which diseases?

That's why I teach the classes that I do so people can learn about the

diseases.

And vaccines do NOT give immunity, so why would they be necessary.

And where did you hear that autism was around before vaccines. Sounds like

you have some disinformation.

It wasn't called autism? What was it called then?

And the % of children now with autism is nothing near what numbers are of

anything that could possibly be autism, even if called something different.

First autism report in the 40s after the early use of diphtheria and

pertussis and combo of DPT vaccines all with mercury.

Also today we have a lot of things that are called autism and should have

different names.

Many that regress after vaccines, but were developing normally since birth,

that I call regressive autism, is very dfiferent than early 'autism' that

began to be reported in the 40's.

Some children seem to be 'different' from birth...................they

don't develop normally into autism.

There are many factors here and doctors love to put everything into a

category and call it a name.

Here is more I wrote to someone else.

There is the label of autism which really should be called regressive

autism or something else.

The child is developing normally or somewhat normally and then regresses at

some point after many vaccines (often MMR is the final straw)

AND

there is the child that has always been abnormal since birth and also is

labeled autistic.

I don't know of any child that has regressed after 1 year into 'autism' who

was not vaccinated or received heavy amounts of antibiotics while in utero

or post delivery via breastmilk or directly given to the child.

But there are unvaccinated children who have been 'abnormal' since birth

who are labeled autistic (these are the great minority however)

(also other issues may be involved here - antibiotic issue again,

pitocin-forced delivery, other emotional/trauma issues during pregnancy,

mom getting rubella vaccine or MMR within a few years of conception, other

mercury exposure to mom - amalgams, rhogam, other, and who knows what else.)

>

>This is the topic of discussion in our household lately. We are

>vaccinating our second son by a protocol that was given at a DAN

>conference. He is 7 months and just got his polo shot. He became

>very sick afterwards. I don't know if I will continue.

There is NO WAY to safely vaccinate. This protocol should be stopped

immediately

NO VACCINE GIVES IMMUNITY

ALL VACCINES have the potential to give injury at any age, single or combo,

to any infant, child or adult.

The key is to research the reality of the diseases with vaccines associated

with them. Once you look at the reality and the incidence of them and the

true risk of even 'getting' them, you will start to feel better not

vaccinated because you have educated yourself.

(I do teach online/email classes on this or can get much on my website

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm )

>

>When you see prescription drug medicine on TV commercials, they

>always mention the side affect that effect a few. So why can't this

>then apply to children being affected differently by the same

>vaccination. Like myself, I could potential died from a single dose

>of penicillin.

Vaccines are a sacred cow and you are exactly right about this. They

easily admit a penicillin reaction but rarely if ever, a vaccine reaction.

>

>Sorry again, I know that this topic most likely been brought up many

>times in the past. But again I am new to this game and trying to

>learn as much, as quickly, as possible.

>

>_

>older Son was diagnosed on Nov 1st with Autism.

Again..............

There is NO WAY to safely vaccinate. This protocol should be stopped

immediately

NO VACCINE GIVES IMMUNITY - NONE (even though they say they do - they do not)

ALL VACCINES have the potential to give injury at any age, single or combo,

to any infant, child or adult.

So why vaccinate knowing the above

Sheri

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September 8, 2007

Kim,

My 19 month old son hasn't had an ear infection, but he has had colds. I

think it's too early to decide if he's healthier than un-vaxed kids.

However, I'm not doing vaxes because of what's IN the vaxes, as opposed

to because of the autism debate. I'm a little different that way.

Good luck! I hope you daughter feels better soon!

~Robyn

rwardin wrote:

> I just wanted to vent that my 15 month old daughter, who is

> unvaccinated and breastfeed, has an ear infection. My partially

> vaccinated 3 year old has never had an ear infection (yet anyway). I

> know some people say they can " see " the differences in vaxed children

> and unvaxed, but I can't see the differences in my girls. A small part

> of me still wonders if vaccinations might be necessary, especially

> since learing that autism was around before vaccines. It just wasn't

> called autism.

>

> Kim

>

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I don’t vax b/c of what is IN them either. I can’t say for sure if

’s Asperger syndrome was set off or induced by vaccines, she was

too little when she started getting her vaxxes. Now I wasn’t the mom in

the office every 2, 4 and 6 months.. she was late on a lot of her shots

but she did still have them. However, I have heard enough anecdotal

evidence to not trust a vaccine and then I learned what was in them and

oh my gosh!

It was shocking and I was mad. Mad no one ever said ‘hey, this is what

we’re about to inject into your child” no one ever offered to let me

read or told me I could read the label on the package of the shot. No

one ever recorded what lot # or anything…so for me too, even if there

were not stories of autism after vaccines, it’s enough for me to know

what is in them and I don’t want that crap in my kids OR ME!

I read every label, most of the time, of everything I buy unless I’m

in a huge hurry. I bought that K2O water, thinking it would be good to

carry around for my hypoglycemia and one taste was like “this tastes

funny” and find out it has sucralose and find out that is the tech name

for splenda and I hate splenda.. so yeah, sometimes something nasty gets

past me.. I think it was that got the varivax shot and I asked

them not to do that one but I missed it as I was looking for

“chickenpox” and I signed off on it. Boy. I still kick myself over that.

We haven’t vaxxed at all in 6 years and I have yet to regret that

decision.

Nita, yes my hands are full, but not my heart: 14, Jon 12,

10, 8, 6, Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 1,

and due 2/08

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September 8, 2007

Thank you for the reply. I didn't give her anything, she seems to be

managing just fine.

Kim

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>

> Are you still breastfeeding? You can put some expressed milk into

the

> ear and that will help clear it out. I think it's depends on

> susceptibility too. My vaxxed and unvaxxed kids have always been

healthy

> but I don't allow a lot of junky crap for food either.. stay the

course!

> Believe me, vaccines are no favor to your children. They are not

> necessary. They just help you blend in with the crowd. They won't

> protect her from getting the diseases she's vaxxed for if you did go

> vax.

>

> Is it bothering her? There are homeopathic remedies you can give or

just

> leave it alone. It will heal. AFAIK, they don't treat ear

infections in

> Europe and you haven't heard all of Europe is deaf from untreated

ear

> infections. Antibiotics don't help it heal any faster either.

>

> Nita, yes my hands are full, but not my heart: 14, Jon 12,

> 10, 8, 6, Christian (RIP: 7/16/03 to 8/22/04),

1,

> and due 2/08

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September 8, 2007

Robyn,

Thank you for your reply. She seems to be doing fine. I didn't even

know she had an ear infection, found out at a well visit. I didn't

even give her anything for it.

Kim

>

> > I just wanted to vent that my 15 month old daughter, who is

> > unvaccinated and breastfeed, has an ear infection. My partially

> > vaccinated 3 year old has never had an ear infection (yet

anyway). I

> > know some people say they can " see " the differences in vaxed

children

> > and unvaxed, but I can't see the differences in my girls. A small

part

> > of me still wonders if vaccinations might be necessary, especially

> > since learing that autism was around before vaccines. It just

wasn't

> > called autism.

> >

> > Kim

> >

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September 8, 2007

Something to consider. One of my children gets ear infections from dairy -

he's intolerant to it and consuming it gives him ear infections. If she's

consuming dairy or is breastfeeding and you're consuming dairy, that could

be a cause. Dairy can be really nasty for those who have an intolerance to

it and it's a fairly common intolerance. For the record, this is a child

that was formerly autistic, but recovered now and was fully vaccinated as a

baby but is vaccinated no more.

Hope the little one feels better soon!

Alese

September 8, 2007

Sheri-

..

>

> And where did you hear that autism was around before vaccines.

Sounds like

> you have some disinformation.

> It wasn't called autism? What was it called then?

I typed in my search engine, The History of Autism, and different

info. came up.

One was that the Autism was around since 1911.----

The history of autism goes as far back as 1911 with Eugen Bleuler a

Swiss psychiatrist first coined the term. However that term applied

to adult schizophrenia.

There is a lot more information. I am just trying to find some

answers. I have taken 2 of your courses.

Kim

September 8, 2007

I second the recommendation to put expressed breastmilk in your

daughter's ear. My unvaccinated 3 yr old daughter has had two ear

infections. We caught it as soon as she complained (2nd time she was

in tears). Just put in a few drops while she lied down and slept.

Within 2 HOURS it was completely gone, both times. Every other kid I

know, all vaccinated, get ear infections regularly and for days.

Several end up getting tubes put in their ears. Your baby's body is

currently getting the benefit of going through a building of the immune

system as it fights against this ear infection as well.

Hope some of this helps,

-

>

> I just wanted to vent that my 15 month old daughter, who is

> unvaccinated and breastfeed, has an ear infection. My partially

> vaccinated 3 year old has never had an ear infection (yet anyway). I

> know some people say they can " see " the differences in vaxed children

> and unvaxed, but I can't see the differences in my girls. A small

part

> of me still wonders if vaccinations might be necessary, especially

> since learing that autism was around before vaccines. It just wasn't

> called autism.

>

> Kim

>

September 9, 2007

What I found was really odd is that my first child never displayed a fever or

crankiness or rubbed near her ear and slept and nursed as all was well but at

EVERY well baby visit I was tild she had an ear infection. At that time I used

antibiotics but after rereading Mendelsohn's book I asked my family doc if the

drug was necessary. he hesitantly replied no, I refused the script, and she

never was diagnised with another one after that. Things that make you go Hmmm.

LAurie

September 9, 2007

Hi Kim

I am new here but felt compelled to mention this. I see a HUGE

difference between my unvaxed 1yr old and my vaxed 12yr old. My

daughter had earache after earache after earache until she was about

5yrs old. She cried all the time hours and hours. She has learning

disabilities and was diagnosed with ADD. Not so much bounce in your

chair and not pay attention ADHD but still learning to read at 12yrs

old ADD. She use to be on meds for this but it changed her personality

so much that we had to stop (among may other reasons). She still

receives 8hrs of tutoring a week just to keep up with her Special Ed

classes. I do have to say though the more I read about Autism the more

I realize she fits into that category. She also still catches a cold

at the drop of a hat. My son is unvaxed and has had 1 cold in 15months

and this is with the countless numbers of illnesses my daughter brings

home to us from school.

But this is not what changed my mind completely. I have a family

member, almost 3yrs old that was developing normally until vaxes @

about 16mo. Talking fine before vaxes and then just stopped trying.

Now after speech therapy he does have some words. He also is very

extreme. His behavior is off the charts, many times uncontrollable.

Could it be Autism? The doctors say maybe. I don't know but I don't

think I want to take a chance. He also is always sick.

I'm just a mom who has made observations. I read as much as I can on

the subject, but by no means pretend to be an expert. I know logically

that the shots are damaging our children. But also being a mom I know

the turmoil you must be in. I don't want to believe what has happened

to my daughter has anything to do with the vaxes I allowed her to

have. I was raised to believe that you protect your children. Part of

protecting them is going in to see the doctor and getting their shots

on time, then you go home and take care of your feverish crying baby

because thats what your suppose to do. I now feel that it's too much

of a risk.

I pray I have made the right decision, after all I have to have faith

that my childrens bodies were designed to protect themselves from

illness, but what chance do they have when we are injecting it right

into them?

Just a Mom

>

> I just wanted to vent that my 15 month old daughter, who is

> unvaccinated and breastfeed, has an ear infection. My partially

> vaccinated 3 year old has never had an ear infection (yet anyway). I

> know some people say they can " see " the differences in vaxed children

> and unvaxed, but I can't see the differences in my girls. A small

part

> of me still wonders if vaccinations might be necessary, especially

> since learing that autism was around before vaccines. It just wasn't

> called autism.

>

> Kim

>

September 9, 2007

At 01:27 AM 9/9/2007 -0000, you wrote:

>Robyn,

>Thank you for your reply. She seems to be doing fine. I didn't even

>know she had an ear infection, found out at a well visit. I didn't

>even give her anything for it.

>

>Kim

Ahhhhh, there's the problem.

Doctors see what looks to them like fluid behind the ear drum and they call

it an infection

From the article I sent by Moskowitz on " ear infections "

" Equating fluid behind the drum with infection requiring treatment ignores

what all pediatricians know, that URI's with swelling of the tonsils and

adenoids produce congestion of the middle ear and temporary hearing loss as

a result. Decades of warfare against the nasopharyngeal bacteria have

culminated in a Vietnam-like strategy of killing everything in the vicinity. "

" What most of these patients have in common is the absence or paucity of

strong symptoms like high fever or violent earache that would indicate an

acute, vigorous response to their illness. With a few notable exceptions,

like the last case I presented, their symptoms even during acute flareups

are typically vague or nondescript in character, e. g., fussy or cranky

behavior, whining or picking at the ear, congestive hearing loss, poor

appetite, and the like. In quite a few cases, there are no symptoms

whatsoever, and the child behaves and functions normally, but at the

well-baby visit the pediatrician detects fluid in the ear, signs it off as

an " ear infection, " and begins or continues the cycle of antibiotics that

often proves so difficult to break. "

Sounds like exactly what happened to you

>

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September 9, 2007

Hi Kim,

This astonishes me, to be honest. I have never yet known a child with an

ear infection who was not in pain, even if only mild. Mostly a child with

an ear infection will be screaming with pain. I'm sure you would have known

about it. Are you confident that the original dx was correct? And out of

curiosity, what did your doctor suggest doing about it?

Love, light and peace,

Sue

>*> Robyn,

>*> Thank you for your reply. She seems to be doing fine. I didn't even

>*> know she had an ear infection, found out at a well visit. I didn't

>*> even give her anything for it.

>*>

>*> Kim

>*>

>*> >

>*> > > I just wanted to vent that my 15 month old daughter, who is

>*> > > unvaccinated and breastfeed, has an ear infection. My partially

>*> > > vaccinated 3 year old has never had an ear infection (yet

>*> anyway). I

>*> > > know some people say they can " see " the differences in vaxed

>*> children

>*> > > and unvaxed, but I can't see the differences in my

>*> girls. A small

>*> part

>*> > > of me still wonders if vaccinations might be necessary,

>*> especially

>*> > > since learing that autism was around before vaccines. It just

>*> wasn't

>*> > > called autism.

>*> > >

>*> > > Kim

>*> > >

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