Re: A mini-poll

December 6, 2008

Thank you for all of the health-promoting suggestions. Peach tea

sounds fun...

> > >

> > > Joan -

> > > Something just occurred to me as another alternative that is

> actually

> > > a combination of two of them.

> > > I, too, had been on immunity-suppression medication. Starting

> 11/06

> > > I was self injecting Betaseron every other day for MS (it is an

> anti-

> > > viral that has immunity suppression effects). At the end of 3

> months

> > > I got horribly ill, with a flu-like something. I was prescribed

> a

> > > slew of meds to counteract it, but nothing helped. I then

> started

> > > taking things to build up my immune system, figuring that I

> couldn't

> > > get rid of whatever it was because my immune system had been

> > > trashed.

> > > So this is what I am now considering: The immunity-suppression

> made

> > > me contract " something " that fundamentally altered me. Whatever

> it

> > > was took a few months to really transform me, and when it did, I

> then

> > > became a " bug magnet " . Whatever these bugs were took to me

> because

> > > of this alteration, and they are no longer attracted/breeding in

> me

> > > because I have been working on building my health/immunity at the

> > > same time I was " purging " these things from my skin.

> > > Just one possible construction...could be off base...always

> subject

> > > to modification.

> > > This is a dreary journey, even when it seems to be mostly behind

> me.

> > > In addition to being physically changed, the mental/emotional

> > > alteration I doubt will ever be undone. Like PTSD, I guess.

> > > Bessie

December 6, 2008

Thanks Myrtle! That info was very helpful. Thankfully, every day I have been taking at least 1000 mg of vitamin C, a multivitamin, vitamin E, and eating alot more Olive oil than usual. This should help offset the side affects of MMS. I think you're right that I probably should have sustained 15 drops per day for a longer period of time. It is hard n the stomach.

-requireshelp.

From: myrtle_maui <myrtle_maui@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 2:34:36 PMSubject: Re: A "mini-poll"

Hi Requireshelp,These are the instructions I've been reading:http://www.health- science-spirit. com/MMS.html(Thanks Frito, for posting the link)Towards the end of the document, there is a section called "Oxidantsvs. Antioxidants" where the author talks about potential harm to theheart, brain and eyes. Here's part of it:Antioxidant deficiency is common with chronic diseases and advancingage. High intake or prolonged use of MMS will make this situationworse. Therefore it is important to increase antioxidant intake whenusing MMS. However, oxidants and antioxidants should be separatedduring the day or they may neutralize each other. For instance you maybe using MMS before breakfast and at bedtime and antioxidants frommid-morning to the evening meal. This does not only apply to antioxidants in

supplement form, such asvitamin C and E, B-complex, coenzyme Q10 or grapeseed extract, butalso to food high in antioxidants, such as purple berries and juices,fresh fruit, polyunsaturated oils, turmeric, black or green tea, cocoaand others. Because chlorine dioxide reacts especially well withvitamin C, it is advisable to take 1 gram or more when on a high doseof MMS for more than a few days to protect oxidation-sensitivestructures, such as heart, brain and eyes. (end of excerpt)I gather you've been taking the MMS orally, not transdermally? I amwondering if perhaps you should have stayed at the 15 drops per daydose for longer than one week. I really don't know. Here is anotherexcerpt from the document:For most conditions Humble regards the intensive MMS treatment ascompleted after taking 15 drops two or three times daily for one week.If you cannot reach this level then just remain

somewhat longer at thehighest dose that you can use. Following this Humble recommends amaintenance intake for older individuals of 6 drops daily and foryounger individuals of 6 drops twice weekly. (end of excerpt)I can't imagine taking 15 drops 2-3 times daily. My stomach is sorefrom just one drop last night.It sounds like you're making progress and improving, so that'sencouraging to hear.Kind regards,myrtle> >> > Joan -> > Something just occurred to me as another alternative that is actually > > a combination of two of them.> > I, too, had been on immunity-suppressio n medication. Starting 11/06 > > I was self injecting Betaseron every other day for MS (it is an anti-> > viral that has immunity suppression effects). At the end of 3 months > > I got horribly ill, with a flu-like

something. I was prescribed a > > slew of meds to counteract it, but nothing helped. I then started > > taking things to build up my immune system, figuring that I couldn't > > get rid of whatever it was because my immune system had been > > trashed. > > So this is what I am now considering: The immunity-suppressio n made > > me contract "something" that fundamentally altered me. Whatever it > > was took a few months to really transform me, and when it did, I then > > became a "bug magnet". Whatever these bugs were took to me because > > of this alteration, and they are no longer attracted/breeding in me > > because I have been working on building my health/immunity at the > > same time I was "purging" these things from my skin.> > Just one possible construction. ..could be off base...always subject > > to

modification.> > This is a dreary journey, even when it seems to be mostly behind me. > > In addition to being physically changed, the mental/emotional > > alteration I doubt will ever be undone. Like PTSD, I guess.> > Bessie

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December 6, 2008

Z -

Did you or anyone ever have a severe bronchitis-like infection during

or up to 6 months before this the motel incident? Wondered if you

had " caught " something prior to that and went to that motel

already " altered " and " met " some critter there...just pokong around

in the dark here.

Thanks,

Bessie

>

> Bessie

> Great questions

> and I found everyones comments so interesting....especially the

> dialogue between trly and you Bessie....

>

> 1. No, everyone was infected to some degree

> 2. No, We all developed rashes at about the same time, though I was

> the only one that felt biting sensations.

> 3. Yes, We kept all carpeting, beds, furniture.

> 4. No, We didnt move while our home was infested, we did go on a 3

week

> get away in our families cabin which helped.

> 5. No we didnt ever capture anything

> 6. I noticed the tiny fibers almost from the beginning of the

mitemare

>

> z

>

December 6, 2008

1) Yes

2) No

3) No

4) No

5) No, I have no magnifier.

6) Yes

From: dammitgrl2001 <dammitgrl2001@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 2:10:20 PMSubject: Re: A "mini-poll"

>> Some things I wonder about:>> 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household who> is NOT affected?>> 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at least> 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?>> 3 - Has anyone "defeated" this without moving and/or throwing out> almost everything?>> 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually> everything and had NO success?>> 5 - Has anyone ever "captured" a clearly defined (8 legged) mite from> using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier to> see if you succeeded with that)>> 6 -

How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the> environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially> fibers, cacoons, "glitter" etc)?>> Bessie>

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Hi Bessie,

Here are my answers to your poll.

1. I had these for 2-1/2 years. I lived with my little granddaughter. I'm not sure how much she was affected but definitely not as much as me.

2. I know she got a bite here and there - I can't remember much about the beginnings of this

3. I moved once without taking my beds and living room furniture. My clothes were already being kept in plastic bags. Unfortunately they came with us. Either on shoes, wood furniture and car. I hadn't found the bird mites website and didn't really know what was going on except that I was getting eaten alive. After hiring another exterminator for the new place and being told it was impossible for anything to still be alive so it must be my imagination, I finally found this webstie and began treating my place. After using the clorox, epsom salts, and windex in my car I finally am free of them.

4. n/a

5. n/a

6. We now have something more in our skin. Black specs, sand-like particles, glitter, wormy things, and many lesions in the beginning until I found out about the esp products.

From: Bessie Glavas <bessieglavas@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 9:23:36 AMSubject: A "mini-poll"

Some things I wonder about:1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household who is NOT affected?2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at least 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?3 - Has anyone "defeated" this without moving and/or throwing out almost everything?4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually everything and had NO success?5 - Has anyone ever "captured" a clearly defined (8 legged) mite from using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier to see if you succeeded with that)6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially fibers, cacoons, "glitter" etc)?Bessie

December 6, 2008

hmmm

Well Bessie, I am sure you are right, we did have a predisposition of

some sort, as we were in the same motel room with another family and

nobody else felt a thing...

As for the bronchitus question, well a year prior to this our youngest

daughter was in hospital for broncial pneumonia (excuse my spelling)

Have you read something about a correlation?

I have read about a connection between autism and morgellons...our

gorgeous 8 year old has mild autism.....which is thought to be

triggered by something environmentally....so once again its the

predisposition thing. In a few articles I read they actually found

that some of the autistic children that they studied had the same fibers

present as in morgellons

It goes along with the theory of that book, what your doctor Mite not

know (hope thats the name) with the realization that there is a common

'something' to all of this

z

December 6, 2008

I also believe that your immune system plays a major role.

When this first happened to me my immune system was very low and

since that time I have worked to bring my immune system up. I come

from a family (on both sides) that live into their 90's and never

get things like cancer or immune disease. My immune system, from years

of bad diet and high stress job, is compromised, I know this by the

amount of food and airborn allergies I have developed.

My wife, who is having a much more difficult time than I am, Had

breast cancer 10+ years ago and had surgery and chemo.

My best friend, who has spent a lot of time around us has whatever

this is in his home and vehicle (I feel them) and has never been

affected by them body wise. He knows I feel them, but has not had a

problem himself.

I do wonder if this problem shows up as different ailments in other

people....autoimmune diseases, arthritis, ect.

We have our enviroment pretty much under control, all of our problems

now seem to be internal.

I have never been able to get a sample off of our skin, and I have

tried. I do know that whatever is living in these sores we have are

alive, and you can stir them up, and we have had them breed faster

and cause more pain, by trying topical things on our skin. This is

why we are searching now for things to use internally. For example,

if you put iodine on a lesion, you can cause black specs to almost

come to the surface. you can see them under the skin. Once you stop

the iodine, they will go back down to the lower layers of the skin

and you will get increased movement and pain. Nothing so far seems

to kill them.

Every scab that I have looked at under our microscope has a blue fiber

in it. I don't know if that is significant, since according to one

Morgs site using the red wine test, everybody tested, healthy or

otherwise, had fibers. I believe they are now in everybody, or soon

will be. Perhaps the only people that won't get them will be farm

people that don't eat commercial food.

Maybe the best thing this group can do is to start to search hard on

ways to improve the immune system. For example, they say that a major

part of your immune system is in your gut, so improving how clean your

colon is and the state of your intestinal flora, seems to help many

people overcome disease.

> >

> > Joan & trlyblest -

> > One of the things I am trying to determine is whether there is

> > something inherently different about those of us who get affected

> vs

> > those who don't. You two are the only ones (so far) who have

> > responded and you both have experience with at least one other

> person

> > unaffected who is living in the same environment. One of my

> sisters

> > visited with me for a week at a time twice during my infestation

> and

> > did not pick it up.

> > Some years ago one of my parakeets developed " scaley face " while

> none

> > of my other birds did. The vet explained that the other birds'

> > immune systems were able to deal with it, while this one (although

> > genetically related) was not. Ivermectin cleared it right up.

> > I am hypothesizing that there is a difference between us and

> others.

> > Is it acquired immunity, genetic pre-disposition, infection by an

> > unrelated " something " that actually changes us so that we ATTRACT

> > and " breed " these things that have no business being in us?

> > There are probably other ways of looking at it. I am leaning

> toward

> > the third of these.

> > Bessie

> >

>

December 6, 2008

Hi Bessie,

Yes, I started having problems immediately only I didn't know what was happening. When I think back yes, yes yes!

lou

From: Bessie Glavas <bessieglavas@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 1:05:11 PMSubject: Re: A "mini-poll"

Hmmm..that seems like another question that should be added to the "poll" as it seems like at least 3 of us had a very similar thing within 1 - 4 months of mite problems.Anyone else???Bessie> > >> > > Bessie, for one thing I grew up on a farm and fooled with chickens > > all my younger years - mites and all.> > > No. 2 is that Neal has Rheumatoid Arthritis and takes > > immunosuppressant drugs. I know his immune> > > system is weaker than mine. That is the only difference I can > > figure out. He also was around chickens > > > when he was younger.> > > Joan> > > > > > Re: A "mini-poll"> > > > > >

> > > Joan & trlyblest -> > > One of the things I am trying to determine is whether there is > > > something inherently different about those of us who get affected > > vs > > > those who don't. You two are the only ones (so far) who have > > > responded and you both have experience with at least one other > > person > > > unaffected who is living in the same environment. One of my > > sisters > > > visited with me for a week at a time twice during my infestation > > and > > > did not pick it up.> > > Some years ago one of my parakeets developed "scaley face" while > > none > > > of my other birds did. The vet explained that the other birds' > > > immune systems were able to deal with it, while this one > > (although > > >

genetically related) was not. Ivermectin cleared it right up.> > > I am hypothesizing that there is a difference between us and > > others. > > > Is it acquired immunity, genetic pre-disposition, infection by an > > > unrelated "something" that actually changes us so that we ATTRACT > > > and "breed" these things that have no business being in us?> > > There are probably other ways of looking at it. I am leaning > > toward > > > the third of these. > > > Bessie > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta. messenger.

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December 6, 2008

Thanks, requires -

A question I have added is " Did you have a bronchial infection within

6 months prior to the sensation of mite bite?

Bessie

> >

> > Some things I wonder about:

> >

> > 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household

who

> > is NOT affected?

> >

> > 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at

least

> > 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?

> >

> > 3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing out

> > almost everything?

> >

> > 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually

> > everything and had NO success?

> >

> > 5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged) mite

from

> > using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful

magnifier to

> > see if you succeeded with that)

> >

> > 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the

> > environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially

> > fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)?

> >

> > Bessie

> >

>

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December 6, 2008

Hi, Lou -

As I have asked others, do you recall whether you had any kind of

bronchial infection within the 6 months before the biting started?

Thanks,

Bessie

>

> Hi Bessie,

> Here are my answers to your poll.

> 1. I had these for 2-1/2 years. I lived with my little

granddaughter. I'm not sure how much she was affected but definitely

not as much as me.

> 2. I know she got a bite here and there - I can't remember much

about the beginnings of this

> 3. I moved once without taking my beds and living room furniture.

My clothes were already being kept in plastic bags. Unfortunately

they came with us. Either on shoes, wood furniture and car. I hadn't

found the bird mites website and didn't really know what was going on

except that I was getting eaten alive. After hiring another

exterminator for the new place and being told it was impossible for

anything to still be alive so it must be my imagination, I finally

found this webstie and began treating my place. After using the

clorox, epsom salts, and windex in my car I finally am free of them.

> 4. n/a

> 5. n/a

> 6. We now have something more in our skin. Black specs, sand-like

particles, glitter, wormy things, and many lesions in the beginning

until I found out about the esp products.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Bessie Glavas <bessieglavas@...>

> bird mites

> Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 9:23:36 AM

> Subject: A " mini-poll "

>

> Some things I wonder about:

>

> 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household

who

> is NOT affected?

>

> 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at

least

> 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?

>

> 3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing out

> almost everything?

>

> 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually

> everything and had NO success?

>

> 5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged) mite

from

> using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier

to

> see if you succeeded with that)

>

> 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the

> environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially

> fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)?

>

> Bessie

>

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Yes, I mentioned that already. It was the most severe brochial infection of my life. Also, I had an extremely stressfull job (the most stressful in my life) for 4 months. I was fired from that job, which was just a month or two prior to the mite infestation.

- requireshelp

From: Bessie Glavas <bessieglavas@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 4:30:00 PMSubject: Re: A "mini-poll"

Thanks, requires -A question I have added is "Did you have a bronchial infection within 6 months prior to the sensation of mite bite?Bessie> >> > Some things I wonder about:> >> > 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household who> > is NOT affected?> >> > 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at least> > 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?> >> > 3 - Has anyone "defeated" this without moving and/or throwing out> > almost everything?> >> > 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually> > everything and had NO success?> >> > 5 - Has anyone ever "captured" a clearly defined (8 legged) mite from> > using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier to> > see if you succeeded with that)> >> > 6 - How many people

have moved from feeling bites/stings from the> > environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially> > fibers, cacoons, "glitter" etc)?> >> > Bessie> >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Reclaim your name @ymail.com or @rocketmail. com. Get your new email address now! Go to http://ca.promos. / jacko/>

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December 6, 2008

Z -

I haven't exactly rerad about a correlation per se, but remember

reading here and there that someone or another had one. Then someone

on this forum mentioned it and that triggered my thinking about the

association. I always thought that the episode that I had was really

the beginning of this, that there probably were bird mites around

given all the birds I had, but they developed an " appetite " for me

after I had been altered in some fundamental way through that strange

infection. It is interesting that it you had both and infection and

autism with your children.

Bessie

>

> hmmm

> Well Bessie, I am sure you are right, we did have a predisposition

of

> some sort, as we were in the same motel room with another family

and

> nobody else felt a thing...

>

> As for the bronchitus question, well a year prior to this our

youngest

> daughter was in hospital for broncial pneumonia (excuse my spelling)

>

> Have you read something about a correlation?

>

> I have read about a connection between autism and morgellons...our

> gorgeous 8 year old has mild autism.....which is thought to be

> triggered by something environmentally....so once again its the

> predisposition thing. In a few articles I read they actually found

> that some of the autistic children that they studied had the same

fibers

> present as in morgellons

>

> It goes along with the theory of that book, what your doctor Mite

not

> know (hope thats the name) with the realization that there is a

common

> 'something' to all of this

>

> z

>

December 6, 2008

Save -

What you are saying makes a heck of a lot of sense. My friend

has " something " that itches him, but he NEVER got sick like I did, or

the sores. But then again he was never on immunity-suppression meds

like I was.

Bessie

> > >

> > > Joan & trlyblest -

> > > One of the things I am trying to determine is whether there is

> > > something inherently different about those of us who get

affected

> > vs

> > > those who don't. You two are the only ones (so far) who have

> > > responded and you both have experience with at least one other

> > person

> > > unaffected who is living in the same environment. One of my

> > sisters

> > > visited with me for a week at a time twice during my

infestation

> > and

> > > did not pick it up.

> > > Some years ago one of my parakeets developed " scaley face "

while

> > none

> > > of my other birds did. The vet explained that the other birds'

> > > immune systems were able to deal with it, while this one

(although

> > > genetically related) was not. Ivermectin cleared it right up.

> > > I am hypothesizing that there is a difference between us and

> > others.

> > > Is it acquired immunity, genetic pre-disposition, infection by

an

> > > unrelated " something " that actually changes us so that we

ATTRACT

> > > and " breed " these things that have no business being in us?

> > > There are probably other ways of looking at it. I am leaning

> > toward

> > > the third of these.

> > > Bessie

> > >

> >

>

December 6, 2008

Lou -

It seems that some kind of infection precedes this, huh? I have to

compile it all, but it's over 50% off the top of my head.

Thanks!

Bessie

> > > >

> > > > Bessie, for one thing I grew up on a farm and fooled with

> chickens

> > > all my younger years - mites and all.

> > > > No. 2 is that Neal has Rheumatoid Arthritis and takes

> > > immunosuppressant drugs. I know his immune

> > > > system is weaker than mine. That is the only difference I can

> > > figure out. He also was around chickens

> > > > when he was younger..

> > > > Joan

> > > >

> > > > Re: A " mini-poll "

> > > >

> > > > Joan & trlyblest -

> > > > One of the things I am trying to determine is whether there

is

> > > > something inherently different about those of us who get

> affected

> > > vs

> > > > those who don't. You two are the only ones (so far) who have

> > > > responded and you both have experience with at least one

other

> > > person

> > > > unaffected who is living in the same environment. One of my

> > > sisters

> > > > visited with me for a week at a time twice during my

> infestation

> > > and

> > > > did not pick it up.

> > > > Some years ago one of my parakeets developed " scaley face "

> while

> > > none

> > > > of my other birds did. The vet explained that the other

birds'

> > > > immune systems were able to deal with it, while this one

> > > (although

> > > > genetically related) was not. Ivermectin cleared it right up.

> > > > I am hypothesizing that there is a difference between us and

> > > others.

> > > > Is it acquired immunity, genetic pre-disposition, infection

by

> an

> > > > unrelated " something " that actually changes us so that we

> ATTRACT

> > > > and " breed " these things that have no business being in us?

> > > > There are probably other ways of looking at it. I am leaning

> > > toward

> > > > the third of these.

> > > > Bessie

> >

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December 6, 2008

Yes - sorry! You were the one who triggered my memory of the same

thing happening and prompted me to include the question!

Thank you, Requires

Bessie

> > >

> > > Some things I wonder about:

> > >

> > > 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their

household

> who

> > > is NOT affected?

> > >

> > > 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at

> least

> > > 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?

> > >

> > > 3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing

out

> > > almost everything?

> > >

> > > 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of

virtually

> > > everything and had NO success?

> > >

> > > 5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged)

mite

> from

> > > using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful

> magnifier to

> > > see if you succeeded with that)

> > >

> > > 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from

the

> > > environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially

> > > fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)?

> > >

> > > Bessie

> > >

> >

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No problem bessie

From: Bessie Glavas <bessieglavas@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 4:46:39 PMSubject: Re: A "mini-poll"

Yes - sorry! You were the one who triggered my memory of the same thing happening and prompted me to include the question!Thank you, RequiresBessie> > >> > > Some things I wonder about:> > >> > > 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household > who> > > is NOT affected?> > >> > > 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at > least> > > 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?> > >> > > 3 - Has anyone "defeated" this without moving and/or throwing out> > > almost everything?> > >> > > 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually> > > everything and had NO success?> > >> > > 5 - Has anyone ever "captured" a clearly

defined (8 legged) mite > from> > > using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful > magnifier to> > > see if you succeeded with that)> > >> > > 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the> > > environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially> > > fibers, cacoons, "glitter" etc)?> > >> > > Bessie> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > Reclaim your name @ymail.com or @rocketmail. com. Get your new email > address now! Go to http://ca.promos. / jacko/> >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________

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December 6, 2008

Hi Bessie. Neal only took it until the crawlies stopped - about a week. Dr. prescribed 3 pills a day but he could only take 1 at bedtime bacause they made him woozy. They did the trick for him and we still have some left. They are also used for shingles, epilepsy and stomach ailments. They did not appear to harm him except for the woozy.

Joan

A "mini-poll"> > > Some things I wonder about:> > 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household who > is NOT affected?> > 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at least > 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?> > 3 - Has anyone "defeated" this without moving and/or throwing out > almost everything?> > 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually > everything and had NO success?> > 5 - Has anyone ever "captured" a clearly defined (8 legged) mite from > using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier to > see if you succeeded with that)> > 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the > environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially > fibers, cacoons, "glitter" etc)?> > Bessie>

December 6, 2008

Are you drinking the MMS straight? LOL, I mix mine with juice, the

trick is to find a juice that has no added vitamin C and is not high

in antioxidents by itself. I usually buy apple cider by the gallon and

use that. I get mine at the supermarket in the organic section.

> > >

> > > Joan -

> > > Something just occurred to me as another alternative that is

actually

> > > a combination of two of them.

> > > I, too, had been on immunity-suppressio n medication. Starting

11/06

> > > I was self injecting Betaseron every other day for MS (it is an

anti-

> > > viral that has immunity suppression effects). At the end of 3

months

> > > I got horribly ill, with a flu-like something. I was prescribed a

> > > slew of meds to counteract it, but nothing helped. I then started

> > > taking things to build up my immune system, figuring that I

couldn't

> > > get rid of whatever it was because my immune system had been

> > > trashed.

> > > So this is what I am now considering: The immunity-suppressio n

made

> > > me contract " something " that fundamentally altered me. Whatever it

> > > was took a few months to really transform me, and when it did, I

then

> > > became a " bug magnet " . Whatever these bugs were took to me because

> > > of this alteration, and they are no longer attracted/breeding in me

> > > because I have been working on building my health/immunity at the

> > > same time I was " purging " these things from my skin.

> > > Just one possible construction. ...could be off base...always

subject

> > > to modification.

> > > This is a dreary journey, even when it seems to be mostly behind

me.

> > > In addition to being physically changed, the mental/emotional

> > > alteration I doubt will ever be undone. Like PTSD, I guess.

> > > Bessie

>

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December 7, 2008

Some things I wonder about:

1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household who

is NOT affected? YES - my husband & we're the two humans. Two dogs,

two cats & three parrots apparently unaffected.

2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at least

6 months AFTER the initial infestation? NOT APPLICABLE N/A - only 4

months since the active mite attacks I'll call the initial

infestation. Although the lintballs began showing up on floors at

least three months prior to that.

3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing out

almost everything? N/A - not yet defeated, but no bites or crawls &

continually diminishing evidence of mite components in the house &

myself (baby hairs, lintballs, sands, whisker shavings, black, white

& transparent specks & tiny flies) in the last 2 of the 4 months.

(Since I'm figuring out what works here to combat it.) Car

unaffected, assume because I've ridden in it only a dozen times since

this began & only for short trips, intentionally avoiding it & lucky

to be able to. Remember how tough it was to get plain chiggers out of

my car in other times.

Haven't moved & haven't trashed a thing.

Would certainly like to believe I'm defeating them!

4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually

everything and had NO success? NO

5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged) mite from

using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier to

see if you succeeded with that) NO but MAYBE - lots of scotch-taped

specimens kept but the light on my scope burns out & haven't been

able to view most of them. Some culprits not taped but seen with a

handlens or magnifying mirror & removed with the static attraction of

a plastic straw are baggied & stored in freezer & fridge & possibly

still alive in suspension. Plan to repair the scope (rewire the light

so bulb heat doesn't blow the wire) & inspect all one of these days.

6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the

environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially

fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)? YES - only my case progressed in a

different order than many report. Lintball build-up noticed on

hardwood floors despite daily vacuuming for at least 3 months prior

to home interior attack. Ditto sores on knees which I initially

mistook for psoriasis outbreaks I'd had on elbows but not knees

before & which enlarged gradually without itching. Some scaly patches

on scalp that resolved & appeared elsewhere on scalp but only itched

when sweaty during the same time frame. Both of us bitten outside

gardening after this 3+ month period. Rash of bites only itched in

heat & humidity outside & not in the a/c cool inside. Within 2 weeks

I became clumsy & sprained an ankle. My gardening ceased & the

vacuuming/cleaning routine dropped to weekly at best. Three weeks of

internal symptoms, including a roaming toothache, the runs without

diarrhea & a sudden onset deep phlegmy cough ensued before

my " active " attack phase of feeling bites/stings/crawls began. This

stage is what I'm terming the " initial infestation " & began 6 weeks

after the garden bites. In retrospect, I can see this was coming on

for at least 3 months prior to that with the appearance of the

lintballs, scalp patches & knee scales. My husband's garden bites

healed normally & he doesn't seem to have gotten anymore inside or to

be affected further by them. Crossing my fingers he continues

unscathed!

Bessie, thanks so much for your wondering curiosity!

As far as susceptibility to these buggers & their friends, agree

there's likely an underlying issue for each of us, although it may

not be the same. Some of mine & there's probably more:

Hereditary allergy to insect venom & carry a sting kit during the

warm months. Multiple allergies & chemical sensitivities brought on

by a long distance move & living in new construction (my bedroom

above the garage) in my early teens. Undiagnosed through teenage

years of constant throat & sinus infections unresolved by multiple

rounds of a spectrum of antibiotics. Sick from Autumn to Spring &

hayfever in the warm months. Mono in my late teens & a long recovery.

A dear friend took me under her wing & introduced me to healthfoods,

supplements, organics & alternative treatments. She literally saved

my life during a very rough time. Follow that tack ever since.

Antibiotics only in dire situations.

Diagnosed as a universal reactor allergy-wise in my early 20's &

treated with desensitizing shots over 10 years ending 20 years ago.

Recurring tonsillitis since mid-childhood ended with abscessed

tonsils & cryosurgical removal during that period. Caught a bad staph

infection from cleaning behind a toilet tank in a house we'd just

moved into when the gunk splashed onto bare skin, regardless of

washing immediately. Very sick & took strong antibiotics that played

havoc in the long run. Didn't cure the staph but merely repressed it.

Turned up periodically over the years in cysts & boils. Today I have

a boil on the original point of entry. Hoping this will be the last

of it with continued detoxing.

Later walking pneumonia (mycoplasma) found during a check-up I'd

scheduled since I was so tired. Followed by systemic candida

including sinus treated with oral & snorted antifungals & rotation

diet for allergens. An outbreak during a highly stressed period of

shingles my gp had never seen in one so young. That's flared up

numerous times over the years. Though it's reputed to only strike

once, several friends have recurring outbreaks as I have. In a high-

energy long hours career, succumbed to adrenal exhaustion next. Built

myself back up with homeopathic & naturopathic remedies under the

care of a wonderful chiropractor. Tough for me to learn to slow down

& pace myself. Used to joke that I had only two speeds - Go & Stop.

My range is considerably broader now.

Pushed to the edge again six years ago with sudden & unavoidable

responsibilities that drained most of my physical stamina. Recovered

while learning to draw upon energies behind/beyond the physical. Then

Mom left to visit my brother in Florida. He suffered a massive heart

attack & she stayed on for months to help out. She became seriously

ill & we had to med-evac her back here & determine what went wrong.

She was diagnosed with cancer & we took care of her ourselves at home

for a year until she passed on four years ago this coming Monday. How

I wish I'd found then what I know now & she was still here with me.

Miss her & poppa so. My body gave out afterwards & it's been a long

haul to bring it back into a semblance of balance.

Bitten by mosquitoes, flies, chiggers & ticks over the years. One

tick bite a year ago gave the bullseye rash. A friend's husband was

bitten a year before & started in with aches & pains that worsened

steadily. Betty's a retired nurse & convinced him to go for a lyme

test. When it came back positive, the doctor insisted he must have

been bitten in land at his daughter's, since there were no

reported cases of lyme here! Suffice to say no lyme literate

doctors, either. In view of that & knowing the antibiotic regime,

tried various alternate remedies when the aches & pains later came

over me. Finally hit on one last Spring when I began taking

transveritol & that pain & older ones disappeared. I've kept that up

since. Another such bite with a ring this Summer, though I never saw

the culprit & it may have been a spider. Never tested for lyme but a

definite possibility.

Suffered " the Cough " - that virus that's been going around for the

last 3 years every flu season with a deep hacking cough I'd hear

everywhere & was so difficult to shake. Would take me longer each

time to get over it finally. When my granddaughter started preschool

two years ago, I caught everything she brought home. My immune

system had become more dysfunctional as I aged. Decided to seriously

focus on correcting that. Had been taking a mild antihistamine daily

until last January. Finally wised up that my immune system had been

suppressed by the pills for so long it had forgotten how to function

& went cold turkey. Became stronger as a result & the spring in my

step returned, Spent long days doing heavy work happily in the garden

until the rash of bites received there & the mitemare that followed.

Any one of these alone could have made me an attractive target for

these things. Add them up in any variation & I wore a " Bite Me " on my

chest!

I was actively asking for guidance on how to become truly healthy

right before the lead-in to the mitemare began. Took that wallop to

focus my attention! Have to say my request is being answered. And

confirm I wanted answers.

Still do.

Best wishes, a longwinded Sue

December 7, 2008

Ogh! Drinking MMS straight would be tough. I mix it in juice too. I didn't know that the juice shouldn't have added vitamin C.

-requireshelp

From: savemyskin4me <savemyskin4me@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 6:59:17 PMSubject: Re: A "mini-poll"

Are you drinking the MMS straight? LOL, I mix mine with juice, thetrick is to find a juice that has no added vitamin C and is not highin antioxidents by itself. I usually buy apple cider by the gallon anduse that. I get mine at the supermarket in the organic section.> > >> > > Joan -> > > Something just occurred to me as another alternative that isactually > > > a combination of two of them.> > > I, too, had been on immunity-suppressio n medication. Starting11/06 > > > I was self injecting Betaseron every other day for MS (it is ananti-> > > viral that has immunity suppression effects). At the end of 3months > > > I got horribly ill, with a flu-like something. I was prescribed a > > > slew of meds to counteract it, but nothing helped. I then started > > > taking things to build up my immune system, figuring that Icouldn't > > > get rid of whatever it was because my immune system had been > > > trashed. > > > So this is what I am now

considering: The immunity-suppressio nmade > > > me contract "something" that fundamentally altered me. Whatever it > > > was took a few months to really transform me, and when it did, Ithen > > > became a "bug magnet". Whatever these bugs were took to me because > > > of this alteration, and they are no longer attracted/breeding in me > > > because I have been working on building my health/immunity at the > > > same time I was "purging" these things from my skin.> > > Just one possible construction. ...could be off base...alwayssubject > > > to modification.> > > This is a dreary journey, even when it seems to be mostly behindme. > > > In addition to being physically changed, the mental/emotional > > > alteration I doubt will ever be undone. Like PTSD, I guess.> > > Bessie>

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December 7, 2008

Hmmm..I've been hearing about that med lately, but had never heard of

it before...will check it out. Sleep is so important!

Bessie

> >

> > Bessie, I never contacted mites while Neal was suffering with

them

> and the only things we got rid of were the mattress he slept on

and

> all our down pillows. So far we have been doing okay unless Neal's

> crawling sensation turns out to be a return instead of his nervous

> system. I sincerely hope it is the latter.

> > Thank you for all your encouragement and suggestions on this

site.

> I think we have a great group again.

> > Joan

> >

> > A " mini-poll "

> >

> > Some things I wonder about:

> >

> > 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their

household who

> > is NOT affected?

> >

> > 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at

least

> > 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?

> >

> > 3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing

out

> > almost everything?

> >

> > 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of

virtually

> > everything and had NO success?

> >

> > 5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged)

mite from

> > using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful

magnifier to

> > see if you succeeded with that)

> >

> > 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from

the

> > environment only to go on to develop another problem

(especially

> > fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)?

> >

> > Bessie

> >

>

December 7, 2008

That may be why you have had poor results with it. The Vit C in the

juice is neutralizing the MMS.

Normal with MMS is to start with one drop....by 5 drops you should

have some kind of Herx reaction. If you don't, then you probably are

not taking it correctly.

> > > >

> > > > Joan -

> > > > Something just occurred to me as another alternative that is

> actually

> > > > a combination of two of them.

> > > > I, too, had been on immunity-suppressio n medication. Starting

> 11/06

> > > > I was self injecting Betaseron every other day for MS (it is an

> anti-

> > > > viral that has immunity suppression effects). At the end of 3

> months

> > > > I got horribly ill, with a flu-like something. I was prescribed a

> > > > slew of meds to counteract it, but nothing helped. I then started

> > > > taking things to build up my immune system, figuring that I

> couldn't

> > > > get rid of whatever it was because my immune system had been

> > > > trashed.

> > > > So this is what I am now considering: The immunity-suppressio n

> made

> > > > me contract " something " that fundamentally altered me.

Whatever it

> > > > was took a few months to really transform me, and when it did, I

> then

> > > > became a " bug magnet " . Whatever these bugs were took to me

because

> > > > of this alteration, and they are no longer attracted/breeding

in me

> > > > because I have been working on building my health/immunity at the

> > > > same time I was " purging " these things from my skin.

> > > > Just one possible construction. ...could be off base...always

> subject

> > > > to modification.

> > > > This is a dreary journey, even when it seems to be mostly behind

> me.

> > > > In addition to being physically changed, the mental/emotional

> > > > alteration I doubt will ever be undone. Like PTSD, I guess.

> > > > Bessie

> >

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December 7, 2008

Wow.

Best I can do is allergies from age 10 (sniffed a wildflower

bouquet), was my family maid (dust and mold) till I moved out, then

at 40 entered premenopause and started taking EVENING PRIMROSE OIL

for night sweats. Walked outside to get in my car and go to work one

day, realized it was May and I was BREATHING.

Wow. EPO totally changed my life. I took it through the main

menopause years (about 4 years) at a dosage of 2600 mg / day Twinlabs

brand, then 3900 mg / day, discovered NOW brand, which is much more

potent, and it only took one a day. Now I only take one about 4 times

a year when I feel the old familiar 1 part per million of newly mown

grass that used to put me in misery...

Thanks for sharing that. Made me trace my steps back further :-)

KJ

-- In bird mites , " Sue " <sue@...> wrote:

> Some things I wonder about:

> 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household

who is NOT affected? YES - my husband & we're the two humans. Two

dogs,

> two cats & three parrots apparently unaffected.

>

> 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at least

> 6 months AFTER the initial infestation? NOT APPLICABLE N/A - only

4

> months since the active mite attacks I'll call the initial

> infestation. Although the lintballs began showing up on floors at

> least three months prior to that.

>

> 3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing out

> almost everything? N/A - not yet defeated, but no bites or crawls

&

> continually diminishing evidence of mite components in the house &

> myself (baby hairs, lintballs, sands, whisker shavings, black,

white

> & transparent specks & tiny flies) in the last 2 of the 4 months.

> (Since I'm figuring out what works here to combat it.) Car

> unaffected, assume because I've ridden in it only a dozen times

since

> this began & only for short trips, intentionally avoiding it &

lucky

> to be able to. Remember how tough it was to get plain chiggers out

of

> my car in other times.

> Haven't moved & haven't trashed a thing.

> Would certainly like to believe I'm defeating them!

>

> 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually

> everything and had NO success? NO

>

> 5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged) mite

from

> using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier

to

> see if you succeeded with that) NO but MAYBE - lots of scotch-taped

> specimens kept but the light on my scope burns out & haven't been

> able to view most of them. Some culprits not taped but seen with a

> handlens or magnifying mirror & removed with the static attraction

of

> a plastic straw are baggied & stored in freezer & fridge & possibly

> still alive in suspension. Plan to repair the scope (rewire the

light

> so bulb heat doesn't blow the wire) & inspect all one of these days.

>

> 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the

> environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially

> fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)? YES - only my case progressed in

a

> different order than many report. Lintball build-up noticed on

> hardwood floors despite daily vacuuming for at least 3 months prior

> to home interior attack. Ditto sores on knees which I initially

> mistook for psoriasis outbreaks I'd had on elbows but not knees

> before & which enlarged gradually without itching. Some scaly

patches

> on scalp that resolved & appeared elsewhere on scalp but only

itched

> when sweaty during the same time frame. Both of us bitten outside

> gardening after this 3+ month period. Rash of bites only itched in

> heat & humidity outside & not in the a/c cool inside. Within 2

weeks

> I became clumsy & sprained an ankle. My gardening ceased & the

> vacuuming/cleaning routine dropped to weekly at best. Three weeks

of

> internal symptoms, including a roaming toothache, the runs without

> diarrhea & a sudden onset deep phlegmy cough ensued before

> my " active " attack phase of feeling bites/stings/crawls began. This

> stage is what I'm terming the " initial infestation " & began 6 weeks

> after the garden bites. In retrospect, I can see this was coming on

> for at least 3 months prior to that with the appearance of the

> lintballs, scalp patches & knee scales. My husband's garden bites

> healed normally & he doesn't seem to have gotten anymore inside or

to

> be affected further by them. Crossing my fingers he continues

> unscathed!

>

> Bessie, thanks so much for your wondering curiosity!

>

> As far as susceptibility to these buggers & their friends, agree

> there's likely an underlying issue for each of us, although it may

> not be the same. Some of mine & there's probably more:

>

> Hereditary allergy to insect venom & carry a sting kit during the

> warm months. Multiple allergies & chemical sensitivities brought on

> by a long distance move & living in new construction (my bedroom

> above the garage) in my early teens. Undiagnosed through teenage

> years of constant throat & sinus infections unresolved by multiple

> rounds of a spectrum of antibiotics. Sick from Autumn to Spring &

> hayfever in the warm months. Mono in my late teens & a long

recovery.

>

> A dear friend took me under her wing & introduced me to

healthfoods,

> supplements, organics & alternative treatments. She literally saved

> my life during a very rough time. Follow that tack ever since.

> Antibiotics only in dire situations.

>

> Diagnosed as a universal reactor allergy-wise in my early 20's &

> treated with desensitizing shots over 10 years ending 20 years ago.

> Recurring tonsillitis since mid-childhood ended with abscessed

> tonsils & cryosurgical removal during that period. Caught a bad

staph

> infection from cleaning behind a toilet tank in a house we'd just

> moved into when the gunk splashed onto bare skin, regardless of

> washing immediately. Very sick & took strong antibiotics that

played

> havoc in the long run. Didn't cure the staph but merely repressed

it.

> Turned up periodically over the years in cysts & boils. Today I

have

> a boil on the original point of entry. Hoping this will be the last

> of it with continued detoxing.

>

> Later walking pneumonia (mycoplasma) found during a check-up I'd

> scheduled since I was so tired. Followed by systemic candida

> including sinus treated with oral & snorted antifungals & rotation

> diet for allergens. An outbreak during a highly stressed period of

> shingles my gp had never seen in one so young. That's flared up

> numerous times over the years. Though it's reputed to only strike

> once, several friends have recurring outbreaks as I have. In a high-

> energy long hours career, succumbed to adrenal exhaustion next.

Built

> myself back up with homeopathic & naturopathic remedies under the

> care of a wonderful chiropractor. Tough for me to learn to slow

down

> & pace myself. Used to joke that I had only two speeds - Go & Stop.

> My range is considerably broader now.

>

> Pushed to the edge again six years ago with sudden & unavoidable

> responsibilities that drained most of my physical stamina.

Recovered

> while learning to draw upon energies behind/beyond the physical.

Then

> Mom left to visit my brother in Florida. He suffered a massive

heart

> attack & she stayed on for months to help out. She became seriously

> ill & we had to med-evac her back here & determine what went wrong.

> She was diagnosed with cancer & we took care of her ourselves at

home

> for a year until she passed on four years ago this coming Monday.

How

> I wish I'd found then what I know now & she was still here with me.

> Miss her & poppa so. My body gave out afterwards & it's been a long

> haul to bring it back into a semblance of balance.

>

> Bitten by mosquitoes, flies, chiggers & ticks over the years. One

> tick bite a year ago gave the bullseye rash. A friend's husband was

> bitten a year before & started in with aches & pains that worsened

> steadily. Betty's a retired nurse & convinced him to go for a lyme

> test. When it came back positive, the doctor insisted he must have

> been bitten in land at his daughter's, since there were no

> reported cases of lyme here! Suffice to say no lyme literate

> doctors, either. In view of that & knowing the antibiotic regime,

> tried various alternate remedies when the aches & pains later came

> over me. Finally hit on one last Spring when I began taking

> transveritol & that pain & older ones disappeared. I've kept that

up

> since. Another such bite with a ring this Summer, though I never

saw

> the culprit & it may have been a spider. Never tested for lyme but

a

> definite possibility.

>

> Suffered " the Cough " - that virus that's been going around for the

> last 3 years every flu season with a deep hacking cough I'd hear

> everywhere & was so difficult to shake. Would take me longer each

> time to get over it finally. When my granddaughter started

preschool

> two years ago, I caught everything she brought home. My immune

> system had become more dysfunctional as I aged. Decided to

seriously

> focus on correcting that. Had been taking a mild antihistamine

daily

> until last January. Finally wised up that my immune system had been

> suppressed by the pills for so long it had forgotten how to

function

> & went cold turkey. Became stronger as a result & the spring in my

> step returned, Spent long days doing heavy work happily in the

garden

> until the rash of bites received there & the mitemare that followed.

>

> Any one of these alone could have made me an attractive target for

> these things. Add them up in any variation & I wore a " Bite Me " on

my

> chest!

>

> I was actively asking for guidance on how to become truly healthy

> right before the lead-in to the mitemare began. Took that wallop to

> focus my attention! Have to say my request is being answered. And

> confirm I wanted answers.

>

> Still do.

>

> Best wishes, a longwinded Sue

>

December 7, 2008

okay thanks

From: savemyskin4me <savemyskin4me@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 7:37:57 PMSubject: Re: A "mini-poll"

That may be why you have had poor results with it. The Vit C in thejuice is neutralizing the MMS.Normal with MMS is to start with one drop....by 5 drops you shouldhave some kind of Herx reaction. If you don't, then you probably arenot taking it correctly.> > > >> > > > Joan -> > > > Something just occurred to me as another alternative that is> actually > > > > a combination of two of them.> > > > I, too, had been on immunity-suppressio n medication. Starting> 11/06 > > > > I was self

injecting Betaseron every other day for MS (it is an> anti-> > > > viral that has immunity suppression effects). At the end of 3> months > > > > I got horribly ill, with a flu-like something. I was prescribed a > > > > slew of meds to counteract it, but nothing helped. I then started > > > > taking things to build up my immune system, figuring that I> couldn't > > > > get rid of whatever it was because my immune system had been > > > > trashed. > > > > So this is what I am now considering: The immunity-suppressio n> made > > > > me contract "something" that fundamentally altered me.Whatever it > > > > was took a few months to really transform me, and when it did, I> then > > > > became a "bug magnet". Whatever these bugs were took to mebecause >

> > > of this alteration, and they are no longer attracted/breedingin me > > > > because I have been working on building my health/immunity at the > > > > same time I was "purging" these things from my skin.> > > > Just one possible construction. ...could be off base...always> subject > > > > to modification.> > > > This is a dreary journey, even when it seems to be mostly behind> me. > > > > In addition to being physically changed, the mental/emotional > > > > alteration I doubt will ever be undone. Like PTSD, I guess.> > > > Bessie> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! > > > > http://www.flickr. com/gift/> >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta. messenger. />

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December 7, 2008

Wow, Sue -

I agree, you certainly have had a lot of insults to your immune

system between the infections and medications! It sounds like you

have Lyme...you had the bull's eye rash I think you said.

And if I can put it together, you certainly had a bronchial infection

(more than one!) before the mites. I believe I've heard others say

they was stuff around the house that made them have to clean more

often before they actually felt biting. I recall the summer of 2006

seeing an awful lot of bird dander, much more than I'd ever had while

I was still in CT. I never looked closely at it to determine if that

is exactly what it was.

To clarify - hubby was getting bitten at the same time you were 4

months ago, his has stopped but not yours.

That is GREAT that your pets are OK. I miss my birds more than I can

say.

Bessie

>

> Some things I wonder about:

>

> 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household

who

> is NOT affected? YES - my husband & we're the two humans. Two